Jan happy with his 10 signings

[up and away]

Originally Posted by VectisSaint

By the way the petty bickering at the start of this thread actually showed everyone to be technically inaccurate, as neither JP nor RL were really involved in signing Holmes or Perry, both of those moves were already being done before His Satanic Majesty was reinstated and while JP was still coaching a lower league team in Holland.

I'm sure the OS was saying that Holmes turned Derby down (sic) because of the Dutch football and the Chairman's youngsters policy.

 

And when did Poortvliet and Lowe relay these comments to Holmes? The day he signed or the day before? Derby had already released Holmes when he came to us, so he never had that option? From the comments of Henderson and Hockaday it is pretty clear they had a large influence upon the arrival of Wotton, Perry, Holmes and Forecast. For the French lads, Lowe has obviously put a lot of faith in Prost. Whether this is right or wrong only time will tell, but everything so far has been pretty acceptable. From Pulis seniors comments, his son looks the only signing you can tie Jan into, unless it was coincidence and polite conversation.

[um pahars]

And when did Poortvliet and Lowe relay these comments to Holmes? The day he signed or the day before? Derby had already released Holmes when he came to us, so he never had that option?

 

Try this link!!!!!!!

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=10194

 

and this one.

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=10197

 

Here's a few snippets from the OS:

 

Derby wanted to keep him (sic):

 

"Saints have snapped up rising starlet Lee Holmes on a Bosman free transfer. The talented left-sided midfielder is out of contract at Derby who are reportedly desperate to keep him."

Derby wanted to keep him (sic) and he likes our new set up:

 

"His contract has now expired and although Paul Jewell's side were keen to keep him, he feels he needs a fresh start and that with their policy of promoting youth, Southampton can provide that."

 

He likes the revolutionary new set up:

 

"Holmes has opted for Saints largely because of their revolutionary new coaching structure"

 

It goes on:

 

"he knows he will have every opportunity to shine at Southampton under the new continental coaching system designed to promote youth"

 

and on:

 

"Holmes believes the passing style of the new managers"

 

 

I think it sort of proves that Holmes was brought in after the Total Football revolution had commenced.

 

HTH.

[Weston Saint]

And that is where spin is in full play UmP & U&A. The web site suggests Derby wanted to keep him but he chose us and others said he had already been released.

 

Can't keep a good spin down

[up and away]

Try this link!!!!!!!

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=10194

 

and this one.

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=10197

 

Here's a few snippets from the OS:

 

Derby wanted to keep him (sic):

 

"Saints have snapped up rising starlet Lee Holmes on a Bosman free transfer. The talented left-sided midfielder is out of contract at Derby who are reportedly desperate to keep him."

Derby wanted to keep him (sic) and he likes our new set up:

 

"His contract has now expired and although Paul Jewell's side were keen to keep him, he feels he needs a fresh start and that with their policy of promoting youth, Southampton can provide that."

 

He likes the revolutionary new set up:

 

"Holmes has opted for Saints largely because of their revolutionary new coaching structure"

 

It goes on:

 

"he knows he will have every opportunity to shine at Southampton under the new continental coaching system designed to promote youth"

 

and on:

 

"Holmes believes the passing style of the new managers"

 

 

I think it sort of proves that Holmes was brought in after the Total Football revolution had commenced.

 

HTH.

 

Derby released Holmes, otherwise there would have been a tribunal over the compensation to Derby.

 

After all your damning of the OS previously, you now elevate it to biblical status. You should go off on and highlight the problems and inaccuracies on the OS, may even have an effect?

[um pahars]

Derby released Holmes, otherwise there would have been a tribunal over the compensation to Derby.

 

After all your damning of the OS previously, you now elevate it to biblical status. You should go off on and highlight the problems and inaccuracies on the OS, may even have an effect?

 

You obviously missed the various (sic) suffixes :rolleyes:

 

WWWWhhhhhooooooossssssshhhhhhhhh :smt117

[Thedelldays]

You obviously missed the various (sic) suffixes :rolleyes:

 

WWWWhhhhhooooooossssssshhhhhhhhh :smt117

what the hell does (sic) mean???

[alpine_saint]

Have to agree with that. Lowe is not an experienced football man and cannot know what players are needed to bring balance to the club.

 

I suspect he is taking football advice from others including our coaches who have not been around for long and are still bedding in.

 

They will likely give an opinion of what sort of player is required and what position. Lowe takes advice from those that know who is available to fit the requirements and importantly the financial restraints. Lowe then goes out and tries to do the deal with the players agent and club.

 

If my senario is correct then Poortvliet's and Wotte are correct in that they have no real choice over the player but do have a say in the position/requirement skills.

 

They will have known what to expect and as they grow into the job and exposure to English Football and assuming our finances stabilise no doubt they will have more input into the "who" rather that the "what"

 

Just my view

 

Ron, I have two words for you :

 

Augustin Delgado.

[um pahars]

what the hell does (sic) mean???

 

"it is used as the shortening of "Sic Transit Gloriam" meaning (roughly) there but for the grace of God go I, therefore distancing oneself from the mistake and often passing silent comment on the writer of the original quote."

 

and/or

 

"It's Latin for "thus". Editors use it when citing a reference to inform a reader that the spelling or grammatical mistakes in the reference are to be attributed to the original source. Just another way of saying, "Don't blame me.""

 

and/or

 

"It is Latin for 'such'. It is used in prose when quoting a factual error, solecism or typo to indicate that the mistake was made in the text being quoted and not by the writer him/herself."

 

and/or

 

"When in doubt consult the Oxford Dictionary (for, to my mind, in so far as anything can ever be considered 'correct' in the evolving land of language it is there that correct is established): sic - A parenthetical insertion used in printing quotations or reported utterances to call attention to something anomalous or erroneous in the original, or to guard against the supposition of misquotation. Also as n., an instance of ‘sic’. Etymology: L. sic so, thus."

 

 

Basically saying, I'm only repeating this ****** here and am totally aware it is ******..

[Weston Saint]

Ron, I have two words for you :

 

Augustin Delgado.

 

Similar situation G. Lowe took advice from others and bought without his Managers knowledge or approval as his Manager was inexperienced. Not condoning it, just giving an opinion as to why it may have happened recently.

 

Longshot is correct, it is worriying IF Lowe worked alone without any advice. But I bet he took plenty of advice from others.

 

Lowe is not a football man, he is a businessman with a football interest hoping to steer us into safer financial waters. Whether it will work or not is up for debate (but not tonight)

[alpine_saint]

Similar situation G. Lowe took advice from others and bought without his Managers knowledge or approval as his Manager was inexperienced. Not condoning it, just giving an opinion as to why it may have happened recently.

 

Longshot is correct, it is worriying IF Lowe worked alone without any advice. But I bet he took plenty of advice from others.

 

Lowe is not a football man, he is a businessman with a football interest hoping to steer us into safer financial waters. Whether it will work or not is up for debate (but not tonight)

 

I'd like to know where you think this "advice" might be coming from...

[Weston Saint]

I'd like to know where you think this "advice" might be coming from...

 

I suspect footballing contacts, coaches, unattached scouts, past players, probably agents.

[Professor]

Love the way the last 2 he has signed are both injured!!! Only in Ruperts world!

So if Robinho had an injury that would take 2 weeks to clear up and the Window was closing, would Man C not have signed him?

If Christiano Ronaldo was available for transfer would no one buy him because he's out until Oct.

What is the point of making comments that are simply untrue? Being critical for the sake of it, undermines any genuine criticism.

[um pahars]

I'd like to know where you think this "advice" might be coming from...

 

I understand that Hockaday is the favoured one at the moment (with Henderson playing a role).

 

My fear is that just with Wigley, Lowe is by far the dominant player at the Club. Poortvliet is a relatively unknown who is in deference to Lowe, as are Hockaday and Henderson.

 

Has he got the DOF position that he covetted a few months back???????

[alpine_saint]

I understand that Hockaday is the favoured one at the moment (with Henderson playing a role).

 

My fear is that just with Wigley, Lowe is by far the dominant player at the Club. Poortvliet is a relatively unknown who is in deference to Lowe, as are Hockaday and Henderson.

 

Has he got the DOF position that he covetted a few months back???????

 

I reckon it is like this too. Lowe wouldnt appoint anyone he couldnt control. Probably another reason Pearson was shown the door.

[ottery st mary]

So if Robinho had an injury that would take 2 weeks to clear up and the Window was closing, would Man C not have signed him?

If Christiano Ronaldo was available for transfer would no one buy him because he's out until Oct.

What is the point of making comments that are simply untrue? Being critical for the sake of it, undermines any genuine criticism.

 

The answer is no and no and fair dos to chocco boxo he has got a point prof

[Professor]

The answer is no and no and fair dos to chocco boxo he has got a point prof

If you and Chocco Box are right its strange then that Real Madrid were trying to sign Ronaldo while he was in the US with a cast on his leg. Maybe its just Saints and Real Madrid then.

[ottery st mary]

Prof....Surely subject to being totally fit. I would not believe for one moment they would give 60 mil and then find out he never recovers etc. I stiil can't see why Saints did not wait until both good players at our level were fit and match fit then loaned them. We are broke or near as can be so why would we pay many weeks of wages when we could get them Nov/Dec and saved the wages. Sorry I am just puzzled and I don't accept the Real comparison as we are not financially in that area and we should not gamble or throw money around.

[Thedelldays]

Prof....Surely subject to being totally fit. I would not believe for one moment they would give 60 mil and then find out he never recovers etc. I stiil can't see why Saints did not wait until both good players at our level were fit and match fit then loaned them. We are broke or near as can be so why would we pay many weeks of wages when we could get them Nov/Dec and saved the wages. Sorry I am just puzzled and I don't accept the Real comparison as we are not financially in that area and we should not gamble or throw money around.

 

 

how do you know whal level of wages we are paying, or if at all whilst he he not here????

[ottery st mary]

how do you know whal level of wages we are paying, or if at all whilst he he not here????

 

Educated guess on what I know or have been told the average wage for youngsters and season pro 22/23/24. Therabouts for the two say 4-6 grand each week. For how long and yes we pay there wages now they are both contracted to us ..

Not trying to be funny but I can't get my head around the logic and wondered if someone could reason it out even with estimated wages and time and the reason to rush through when could have had loans later subject to fitness.

[Thedelldays]

Educated guess on what I know or have been told the average wage for youngsters and season pro 22/23/24. Therabouts for the two say 4-6 grand each week. For how long and yes we pay there wages now they are both contracted to us ..

Not trying to be funny but I can't get my head around the logic and wondered if someone could reason it out even with estimated wages and time and the reason to rush through when could have had loans later subject to fitness.

so, YOU have had an educated guess..

 

still have no idea if we are paying him at all YET????

[Long Shot]

I understand that Hockaday is the favoured one at the moment (with Henderson playing a role).

 

My fear is that just with Wigley, Lowe is by far the dominant player at the Club. Poortvliet is a relatively unknown who is in deference to Lowe, as are Hockaday and Henderson.

 

Has he got the DOF position that he covetted a few months back???????

 

Of course he has.

[ottery st mary]

so, YOU have had an educated guess..

 

still have no idea if we are paying him at all YET????

 

Not to worry, I am relying on the Professor to tell all. Failing that we will see how good they are when they start playing for us and maybe I will not concern myself anymore or not. Hope it is all ok in the end.

[Torres]

I understand that Hockaday is the favoured one at the moment (with Henderson playing a role).

 

My fear is that just with Wigley, Lowe is by far the dominant player at the Club. Poortvliet is a relatively unknown who is in deference to Lowe, as are Hockaday and Henderson.

 

Has he got the DOF position that he covetted a few months back???????

 

Lowe has waited years to get Mark Wotte on board but know you're telling us that he has no influence?

 

Seems rather unlikely...

[Gordon Mockles]

So if Robinho had an injury that would take 2 weeks to clear up and the Window was closing, would Man C not have signed him?

If Christiano Ronaldo was available for transfer would no one buy him because he's out until Oct.

What is the point of making comments that are simply untrue? Being critical for the sake of it, undermines any genuine criticism.

 

Ridiculous!

 

Comparing World Class footballers, such as Robinho and Ronaldo, with 2 unproven youngsters is ludicrous. Stupid even! In the example of Pulis – he has not made an impact or held a place (at 24yrs old) in any of the teams he’s played for. In fact, he’s been shipped around from club to club (on loan) and not really figured much in his father’s team. That doesn’t bode well for his demand in the starting eleven. Obviously, previous managers may have been wrong and overlooked the lad but do you honestly think ALL of those managers have been stupid & short-sighted & he’s really a super-talent in the waiting?! Look at the FACTS. ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS! Your analogy and comparison is so ridiculous your point has been totally completely obscured.

 

This thread is a joke.

 

Let's us replace Lowe's name with Crouch or Branson or Laurie Mc, and let's see if the same faces post the same crap.

 

If Lowe wasn't directly involved in the signings I am sure the same faces would say 'what are we paying him for'. QED, he (Lowe) cannot win, despite JP saying he's happy with his signings.

 

Saint's sign players by based on requirements and finance - if you think JP has no input into those requirements you are at best naive, at worst a ******.

 

If you knock that huge chip off your shoulder, some of you Lowe supporters may actually realise not everyone has been banging on about Lowe or individuals, just the management as an individual body (I avoided using names in parts of my post, amongst others). Let’s face it – we are a football club, run by a football board (apparently) so criticism and questioning, especially during such a ‘revolutionary’ metamorphosis is par for the course. When Rupert and Michael decided to come back, they knew what they were in for, hence why they sit behind the scenes and aren’t particularly vocal (not that Michael ever said much). I think people would still post criticism of tactics, systems, managerial decisions & transfer movements regardless of who ran our club, whether it be Lawrie Mac or Ronald Mc Donald! That’s football. If you don’t believe that, read any other football forum in the country (even the top clubs!)

 

You have to face facts before you get over-defensive and sit on your Shetland Pony – Lowe isn’t popular and, due to historical events, probably won’t ever be. That’s life. You make your bed, you lay in it. Maybe, just maybe, if we won the league or gained promotion, had some money put in by (maybe by some of these cohorts who have benefitted so greatly from the club) and improved our bare knuckle youth squad (and share holders and past and present board members contributed), then maybe the fans would start to forgive and forget. However, I can’t see that happening. We live in hope.

 

For the record, I like Poortvliet but I believe he’s a positive guy and would say he’s happy whoever he was given because, it seems quite clear, he is a yes man. That doesn’t make him a bad person. He’s probably one of the few people that would tolerate such a job in such trying circumstances. From my perspective, I thought we’d have been ok with Pearson (but let’s not get started on that, another contentious point done to death! Time moves on…) but now we have Jan & we all wish him success. It seems Nigel’s doing ok. Won 3-0 yesterday & top of the league. Well done to him.

 

“Saint's sign players by based on requirements and finance” – really?! We didn’t last season and seem shy in the defence this time around. Why have we no recognised full backs or, at least, tackling/ball winners?! We have midfielders in the position (bar Cork – a loan). However, it’s good we tried to sign (apparently) Gerrard – a defender. We need a left back. Even Skacel would be an improvement as I think he serves a purpose in the position, he was very good there in the Derby play offs.

 

Maybe we should stick to the facts here guys. The facts are this:

 

We have played 6 games since pre-season and won three and narrowly lost three.

 

The three games won we have done so convincingly enough if you count the fact that we totally dominated Derby in a 1-0 victory. The three lost have been one in added time, one where we dominated for a period against Brum (league) and a poor performance against Blackpool where even then we could have gone in at the break in front.

 

If you’re sticking to the facts and not taking a totally one-sided point of view, you should consider we played some slick, excellent passing football first half against Birmingham for a PERIOD but they sorted their tactics second half, closed down the playmakers and totally run riot down our flanks and should have scored more were it not for some great last ditch defending and good stops by Davis.

 

Even though we have no 'recognised' full backs as such, we have still only conceded 6 goals, keeping 2 clean sheets in the process and an average of one goal per game conceded is acceptable for most teams. This does not suggest that full back is a huge problem, but against teams with genuine pace on the flanks we may get exposed.

 

We have scored 10 goals in those six games and missed a few chances from what I have seen, but fundamentally it seems that Lallana, Holmes and McG will weigh in with goals. I am sure that Stern and this new czech striker may also do so and I have no doubt that Surman may get the odd goal, as will Dyer so plenty of attacking options.

 

You’re hypothesizing quite a bit about who will score and merely basing your other judgement on statistics. Looking at the games we’ve played, Surman looks an obvious weakness (if I’ve noticed it, I’m sure many more have – particularly the opposition!) and James hooks forward some nice passes but doesn’t seem quite ready (from early observations) for the CCC onslaught. Look at the Brum game and Blackpool, when long balls have caught the full backs out. I agree with a previous post when someone suggested he may learn well off Cork, who I feel will be a very good player and offers us more cover than Lloyd....(continued)

[Gordon Mockles]

(Continued)...

 

Fundamentally, JP is stating he is happy regardless of who has selected those players. I suspect he and / or Wotte will have at least seen videos of the signings to confirm they are of the desired quality, but they are young and will have games where inconsistency kicks in, which is what we saw against Blackpool.

 

A balanced view says that we will end up mid-table or maybe narrowly below IMO and I think we would have took that at the start of the season. If we do better, is anyone going to give Lowe credit? No, of course not - at that point it will be JP's team and JP will be the hero.

 

So, lets put aside any questions over who is making the player decisions for the moment and look at it this way; This is JP's team, he makes the footballing decisions as to tactics, who plays etc. He also is happy with the squad. Therefore, for me the buck stops firmly with JP for results. We have been forced to sell / move players on and everyone seems to be getting on with the job in the knowledge they are doing what they have to do. Maybe the fans should now do the same, get behind the team and hope for a good season.

 

Do you not think Jan would be happy and positive whoever he is given, regardless?! He seems that type of person (he’s hardly going to say they’re crap!) I’d like to think he (or Wotte) has identified areas of weakness in the squad and subsequently brought in players to assist but the quotes and statements Jan (himself) has made suggest this is NOT the case, it’s as though he’s been given the players (which would explain Pulis who, I feel, is a waste when we don’t have the capacity for waste – as they board so vehemently stated with the glut of senior pros we have shipped out). I can go and get links but I don’t think I need to overstate my point.

 

I hope your optimistic, balanced view is right. Truly I do. However, the Lowe getting credit comment I have previously mentioned – he’s a lot to do to win favour back. Rightly so imho. I won’t just be verbose for the sake of it, so I will leave it there. Football and sport is more interesting than politics. However, I do feel that many are ENTIRELY JUSTIFIED in questioning WHO IS SIGNING THE PLAYERS as this is paramount to the future of the club. It needs to be a person with a good, football brain and good judgement and in conjunction with Poorvliet and his plans. I pray Romain, Morgan, Pekhart, esq. are a success and we’re able to sign the decent loanees, if successful (we’ll no doubt sell them as soon as they hit form and the gain the subsequent attention of clubs feeding of fthe meagre CCC clubs such as Saints).

 

JP has stated that he will play midfielders in full back positions within his system. That suggests to me that he IS deciding who to bring in. After all, surely a person thinking about football as a basic commodity would bring in two recognised full backs and probably not play the system we do.

 

There is a common thread to the players we are signing....they are either experienced to add that to the youth of the side, or comfortable on the ball so they can play a quick passing game or versatile so they can play several positions thus allowing them to interact on the field.

 

The signings suggest to me that these players being brought in have had a large amount of input and thought from JP / Wotte.

 

You give the club too much credit. What evidence suggests the signings have been “brought in have had a large amount of input and thought from JP and Wotte”????? The manager who picks the squad has commented on most new players and seems to have a distinct lack of knowledge. He didn’t even know much about losing his best players – ludicrous imho. Big Kev wouldn’t put up with that! LOL I like Jan’s candid, honest approach because it doesn’t cover things up, which more street-wise managers often use as a tactic. However, it does throw up some concerns to us fans. Considering the foreign loans we brought in, I agree with you in that possibly this was a result of input from JP or Wotte. I can’t be sure but I’d like to think so. Gasmi and Pekhart may have been brought in to add much needed fire power and competition for places.

 

Jan states his desire to play midfielder in full back positions, yes. But, it would be much better to have ‘ball winning midfielders’ and players suited to marking, tracking attacking opposition and breaking up the play. Already this season, we have been exploited on occasions and most clubs are yet to notice our new system. We started well, but teams are wising up (hence Blackpool result imho) and I am concerned we are easy to figure out. As I have stated elsewhere, I love some of our slick passing and movement but I have concerns a.) If our young lads can sustain it for 90mins and are physical and strong enough b.) What happens if the opposition shut out Lallana, Holmes and Gillett (our playmakers) c.) If we are run ragged down the flanks against Surman, etc. and teams exploit this weakness d.) We need more firepower and more presence in the box (2 striker possibly) to get on the end of crosses and to get into danger areas to test the opposition, not pass into nomandsland.

 

I’ve typed enough. Over and out. :smt109

[ottery st mary]

Saints v Exeter two years running and first hand site of George Friend 20 yrs. a left Back or Centre Back. To-day reported transfer on Monday to Wolves. £350,000. Stated by several posters would have been a good aquisition for us but maybe unable to afford or did not suit our style. Just proves there are good young uns out there as well as our own academy.

[NickG]

(Continued)...

 

 

 

Do you not think Jan would be happy and positive whoever he is given, regardless?! He seems that type of person (he’s hardly going to say they’re crap!) I’d like to think he (or Wotte) has identified areas of weakness in the squad and subsequently brought in players to assist but the quotes and statements Jan (himself) has made suggest this is NOT the case, it’s as though he’s been given the players (which would explain Pulis who, I feel, is a waste when we don’t have the capacity for waste – as they board so vehemently stated with the glut of senior pros we have shipped out). I can go and get links but I don’t think I need to overstate my point.

 

I hope your optimistic, balanced view is right. Truly I do. However, the Lowe getting credit comment I have previously mentioned – he’s a lot to do to win favour back. Rightly so imho. I won’t just be verbose for the sake of it, so I will leave it there. Football and sport is more interesting than politics. However, I do feel that many are ENTIRELY JUSTIFIED in questioning WHO IS SIGNING THE PLAYERS as this is paramount to the future of the club. It needs to be a person with a good, football brain and good judgement and in conjunction with Poorvliet and his plans. I pray Romain, Morgan, Pekhart, esq. are a success and we’re able to sign the decent loanees, if successful (we’ll no doubt sell them as soon as they hit form and the gain the subsequent attention of clubs feeding of fthe meagre CCC clubs such as Saints).

 

 

 

You give the club too much credit. What evidence suggests the signings have been “brought in have had a large amount of input and thought from JP and Wotte”????? The manager who picks the squad has commented on most new players and seems to have a distinct lack of knowledge. He didn’t even know much about losing his best players – ludicrous imho. Big Kev wouldn’t put up with that! LOL I like Jan’s candid, honest approach because it doesn’t cover things up, which more street-wise managers often use as a tactic. However, it does throw up some concerns to us fans. Considering the foreign loans we brought in, I agree with you in that possibly this was a result of input from JP or Wotte. I can’t be sure but I’d like to think so. Gasmi and Pekhart may have been brought in to add much needed fire power and competition for places.

 

Jan states his desire to play midfielder in full back positions, yes. But, it would be much better to have ‘ball winning midfielders’ and players suited to marking, tracking attacking opposition and breaking up the play. Already this season, we have been exploited on occasions and most clubs are yet to notice our new system. We started well, but teams are wising up (hence Blackpool result imho) and I am concerned we are easy to figure out. As I have stated elsewhere, I love some of our slick passing and movement but I have concerns a.) If our young lads can sustain it for 90mins and are physical and strong enough b.) What happens if the opposition shut out Lallana, Holmes and Gillett (our playmakers) c.) If we are run ragged down the flanks against Surman, etc. and teams exploit this weakness d.) We need more firepower and more presence in the box (2 striker possibly) to get on the end of crosses and to get into danger areas to test the opposition, not pass into nomandsland.

 

I’ve typed enough. Over and out. :smt109

 

long day to read this so will guess;

Agree with some of that, bit early to judge, what do you expect on our finances, totally agree, he is over-rated, yes will be a positive influence;)

[the_barmy_saints_army]

10 but most of them young players probably just wanting to get in to the wonders of english football

[um pahars]

Lowe has waited years to get Mark Wotte on board but know you're telling us that he has no influence?

 

Seems rather unlikely...

 

Good point.

 

I still haven't really fathomed out Wotte's role. Is it Head of the Academy (as he was introduced in the corporate ares before the West Ham game), is it in charge of the ressies, is he the DOF???????

[Professor]

Prof....Surely subject to being totally fit. I would not believe for one moment they would give 60 mil and then find out he never recovers etc. I stiil can't see why Saints did not wait until both good players at our level were fit and match fit then loaned them. We are broke or near as can be so why would we pay many weeks of wages when we could get them Nov/Dec and saved the wages. Sorry I am just puzzled and I don't accept the Real comparison as we are not financially in that area and we should not gamble or throw money around.

Just to try to clarify - Season or half season loans can only be agreed in the Transfer window, so if you want to sign a player who has a short-term injury, either you take him or lose him. After the window has closed the loans Ottery may be thinking of are limited to emergency loans and limited to shorter periods. This wouldn't work as a way of waiting on the recovery of a player you want for the whole - or half - season and the club may not be able to show that the situation was an emergency. I really don't think this is a case of the club not knowing what they are doing, they are clearly aware of all the rules. Its true we do now have 2 new players who are not available for a few weeks due to injury, but isn't that par for the course in this game.

[Surman4no7shirt]

The signings that were made by Lowe through Prost may not have been done by JP, but Prost has always been a reliable coach in terms of his judgement in the past, so why does it matter...?

[Windmill Arm 2]

personally -don't see that as a problem provided he is getting the type and position of player he needs.

 

think a lot is made of this, him not seeing the players himself thing, as I posted elsewhere I would suspect it is very common with managers busy with their team and having scouts etc. Like anything it is fine when it works but we can criticise it when it doesn't! Again using something I mentioned in earlier post -are Man City fans moaning that Hughes didn't watch and identify Robinhio!

 

Ridiculous comparison IMO . I would suggest that most managers want to do just that 'MANAGE' and that includes selecting transfer targets. This is apparent in the case of Curbishley at West Ham, and the farce at Newcastle.

[John B]

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Ridiculous comparison IMO . I would suggest that most managers want to do just that 'MANAGE' and that includes selecting transfer targets. This is apparent in the case of Curbishley at West Ham, and the farce at Newcastle.

 

I think it is more complicated than that running a football .

 

Letting Burley bring in his choices was a disaster and to some extent the same thing happened at West Ham

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/west_ham_utd/7597876.stm

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Just to try to clarify - Season or half season loans can only be agreed in the Transfer window, so if you want to sign a player who has a short-term injury, either you take him or lose him. After the window has closed the loans Ottery may be thinking of are limited to emergency loans and limited to shorter periods. This wouldn't work as a way of waiting on the recovery of a player you want for the whole - or half - season and the club may not be able to show that the situation was an emergency. I really don't think this is a case of the club not knowing what they are doing, they are clearly aware of all the rules. Its true we do now have 2 new players who are not available for a few weeks due to injury, but isn't that par for the course in this game.

 

Cheers Prof

I now understand as you say they know more than me and obviously that includes injuries update.

Let us hope that they are as good as the club believe.

Although I have my doubts about Pulis he will prove me wrong , no doubt.

With Gasmi, I have no clue and hopefully will be pleasantly surprised as I was with Spiderman.

We live in hope. In the meantime let us get a few wins under our belt to ease the pressure alround.