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I got p*ssed for three years on Stu's tax money then walked straight into a managerial role in sales, meaning that I don't have to sell things, I merely sit back take a cut of people like Stu's commission. Double win.

 

And if you knew anything about sales then you will know that in the majority of jobs in sales, the people selling are on more than their managers, which has been the case in my previous 3 jobs.

 

So hardly a double win is it?

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I got p*ssed for three years on Stu's tax money then walked straight into a managerial role in sales, meaning that I don't have to sell things, I merely sit back take a cut of people like Stu's commission. Double win.

 

No you aren't.

 

You're a Librarian who puts books back on shelves and pleads with little Chavvy kids to be quiet.

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And if you knew anything about sales then you will know that in the majority of jobs in sales, the people selling are on more than their managers, which has been the case in my previous 3 jobs.

 

So hardly a double win is it?

 

not very good managers then ;-)

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What a very poorly educated country we would have if people didn't go to university. On average, people with degrees usually end up on higher incomes than those who chose not to study for a degree. This means they will most likely pay more tax in their lifetime. Enough said.

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What a very poorly educated country we would have if people didn't go to university. On average, people with degrees usually end up on higher incomes than those who chose not to study for a degree. This means they will most likely pay more tax in their lifetime. Enough said.

 

On average, but then again due to alot of companies these days not taking on 16 or 18 year olds fresh out of school/college you get alot of people in uni's who really shouldn't be there, I know plenty of people who went to uni just for the hell of it. They have come out with very poor results, with plenty of debt and earning alot less than me......uni should be for people who are doing worthwhile degrees. Teaching, Doctor etc....courses like Sports Development are a complete joke.

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On average, but then again due to alot of companies these days not taking on 16 or 18 year olds fresh out of school/college you get alot of people in uni's who really shouldn't be there,

 

We can thank successive Governments for that marvelous piece of legislation, which states that you can of course employ people under the age of 18, they just aren't allowed to do anything :rolleyes:

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I think there are a number of careers for which some further education is a pre-requisite. If you want to be a rocket scientist, for instance, then years of experience in the forces or wherever is not necessarily going to compensate for a lack of degree-level education in science and/or engineering. This is not about who's going to earn the most money. It's about making the most of yourself and what you're good at. This is probably too sensible for the muppet show, sorry...

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I think there are a number of careers for which some further education is a pre-requisite. If you want to be a rocket scientist, for instance, then years of experience in the forces or wherever is not necessarily going to compensate for a lack of degree-level education in science and/or engineering. This is not about who's going to earn the most money. It's about making the most of yourself and what you're good at. This is probably too sensible for the muppet show, sorry...

 

Too sensible for SRS f'sure.

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I'm quitting my gardening job in sept and going to uni. Gardening - going nowhere. Decent computing quali - hopefully get me somewhere.

 

The drink, holiday and experiencing "the north", and the gash helped my decision greatly.

 

Oh and the free money.

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not very good managers then ;-)

 

Infact quite the opposite... a manager who earns less than his team, generally is a very good manager

 

That's because all decent sales jobs have uncapped commision, so if the salesman is over-achieving, then he will generally earn more as he has a bigger slice of the commision than the manager will have, this will more than make up for the lower basic wage than that of his/her managers.

 

I hope this explains it. xx

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I'm quitting my gardening job in sept and going to uni. Gardening - going nowhere. Decent computing quali - hopefully get me somewhere.

 

The drink, holiday and experiencing "the north", and the gash helped my decision greatly.

 

Oh and the free money.

 

Or you could do what I am doing.... working full-time whilst self-teaching myself Web Design, Dreamweaver, PhotoShop, HTML and all that malarky, whilst having set up my own Ltd company which is already starting to turn a tidy profit.

 

Who needs Uni?

 

Yes, I really do roxer. :cool:

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Or you could do what I am doing.... working full-time whilst self-teaching myself Web Design, Dreamweaver, PhotoShop, HTML and all that malarky, whilst having set up my own Ltd company which is already starting to turn a tidy profit.

 

All of which I believe helps with what jonny was saying about drink, the experience and gash.

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I think there are a number of careers for which some further education is a pre-requisite. If you want to be a rocket scientist, for instance, then years of experience in the forces or wherever is not necessarily going to compensate for a lack of degree-level education in science and/or engineering. This is not about who's going to earn the most money. It's about making the most of yourself and what you're good at. This is probably too sensible for the muppet show, sorry...

 

 

SRS' raison d’être is how much money he can earn. On Maslow's hierarchy of needs, he right there at the bottom, making sure he has food and a roof over his head. Self-actualisation? Pah....

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SRS' raison d’être is how much money he can earn. On Maslow's hierarchy of needs, he right there at the bottom, making sure he has food and a roof over his head. Self-actualisation? Pah....

 

Don't start banging on about Maslow, i had to write an essay about that ****.

 

However that being said i think it is a very good theory.

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I'm quitting my gardening job in sept and going to uni. Gardening - going nowhere. Decent computing quali - hopefully get me somewhere.

 

The drink, holiday and experiencing "the north", and the gash helped my decision greatly.

 

Oh and the free money.

 

Do it, aslong as you are sure you can get a decent job at the end of it. TBH and completely IMO of course i believe that going to uni of your own back is not the way to do it.

 

The best way is to ensure you cannot find jobs such as apprenteships (AMA's), or technical traineeships that will offer to send you on said courses, as long as you can get in them in the first place. Up to you.

 

Just, without sounding like an old c*nt and actually being a n*b about things like SRS, make sure you don't lumber yourself with huge debts and nothing to show, good times and gash is ok but i can get that at home earning a wage ??

 

Better for someone to 'pay' you to study then you to pay.

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On average, but then again due to alot of companies these days not taking on 16 or 18 year olds fresh out of school/college you get alot of people in uni's who really shouldn't be there, I know plenty of people who went to uni just for the hell of it. They have come out with very poor results, with plenty of debt and earning alot less than me......uni should be for people who are doing worthwhile degrees. Teaching, Doctor etc....courses like Sports Development are a complete joke.

 

Completely agree, not that i think they are tax dodging scum or any of that ******** (not a dig SRS honestly.... this time ;) ) but feel sorry that they have wasted all that time and cash for sod all.

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Or you could do what I am doing.... working full-time whilst self-teaching myself Web Design, Dreamweaver, PhotoShop, HTML and all that malarky, whilst having set up my own Ltd company which is already starting to turn a tidy profit.

 

Who needs Uni?

 

Yes, I really do roxer. :cool:

 

Fair play if you are self teaching, no argue with that. But i am gaining the best of both, earning and doing further education, a degree that will from the beginning place me high up the ladder, will be IEE accredited which will allow me to become a chartered engineer with the hope of starting my own engineering consultation company.

 

I assure you, i would not be doing uni if they were not massive benefits at the end of it. I f'n hate writing essays and revising.

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Completely agree, not that i think they are tax dodging scum or any of that ******** (not a dig SRS honestly.... this time ;) ) but feel sorry that they have wasted all that time and cash for sod all.

 

I just wish the government would make Uni like it 'used to', where as I said, people with the potential for bright careers go. Some of the 'degrees' being dished out these days are not worth the paper they are written on. Tax dodging scum? Maybe not, but I wish uni would teach people some manners, I deal with students through events industry i'm in, I cannot get over how thick some of them are, I've watched them do drugs under CCTV cameras in the venue and then moan when they get carted off as it's acceptable to do so, I've also watched them vandalise the place and think it's funny!

 

Uni is the easy option for many people, I had the chance to go and decided I wanted to earn some money I'm glad I did. I'm not in the same hate league as SRS, but I wish some of them would sort themselves out.....just because mummy and daddy are not around doesn't mean you have to act like a d*ck!

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I just wish the government would make Uni like it 'used to', where as I said, people with the potential for bright careers go. Some of the 'degrees' being dished out these days are not worth the paper they are written on. Tax dodging scum? Maybe not, but I wish uni would teach people some manners, I deal with students through events industry i'm in, I cannot get over how thick some of them are, I've watched them do drugs under CCTV cameras in the venue and then moan when they get carted off as it's acceptable to do so, I've also watched them vandalise the place and think it's funny!

 

Uni is the easy option for many people, I had the chance to go and decided I wanted to earn some money I'm glad I did. I'm not in the same hate league as SRS, but I wish some of them would sort themselves out.....just because mummy and daddy are not around doesn't mean you have to act like a d*ck!

 

The big problem is mate.

 

Uni or not uni

 

training or no training

 

You can't teach people common sense. I do risk assessments every day (even though they are gay and time consuming) and the amount of times you see someone being absolutely stupid.

 

I mean, even in my line of work, people work with up to 132 thousand volt cables, and they are still ****ing around.

 

Crazy

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I deal with risk assessments and agree, I just wish it was easier for young people to get work like it is in other countries. This investor in people stuff is b*llocks, given the chance for an 18 year old to earn 18k a year and move up in a job I expect many would go into work rather than go to uni, but then again, uni's make money on the number of students they have, hence why Solent Uni is doing well at the moment, one of the 'biggest' uni's in the UK with number of students both full and part time.

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I deal with risk assessments and agree, I just wish it was easier for young people to get work like it is in other countries. This investor in people stuff is b*llocks, given the chance for an 18 year old to earn 18k a year and move up in a job I expect many would go into work rather than go to uni, but then again, uni's make money on the number of students they have, hence why Solent Uni is doing well at the moment, one of the 'biggest' uni's at the moment with number of students both full and part time.

 

In my opinion however, you can't take people on at such a young age and be able to pay them a big salary, companies should pay bigger salaries for technically or managementally minded people, young people just are not ready IMO. Don't get me wrong, i am only 23 but have worked in management positions since i was 19. It is hard for 'us' (i am still young really) but most don't do themselves any favours, i have worked f'n hard and done all of the background education (AMA, Btec, NVQ's etc) and TBH wasn't paid a good salary, now though it is moving up, took a long time to get there though.

 

And also, had to take a pay cut when i started my new job, which unfortunately people overlook the future when money is involved.

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In my opinion however, you can't take people on at such a young age and be able to pay them a big salary, companies should pay bigger salaries for technically or managementally minded people, young people just are not ready IMO. Don't get me wrong, i am only 23 but have worked in management positions since i was 19. It is hard for 'us' (i am still young really) but most don't do themselves any favours, i have worked f'n hard and done all of the background education (AMA, Btec, NVQ's etc) and TBH wasn't paid a good salary, now though it is moving up, took a long time to get there though.

 

And also, had to take a pay cut when i started my new job, which unfortunately people overlook the future when money is involved.

 

I'm in a similar position but without the Honours! I would always employ someone with the expirience, but I'm always willing to give youth a chance and it's worked alright, you just have to make sure they change to a man pretty quick. Anyway, this thread has got far too serious for the muppet show, surely?

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Or you could do what I am doing.... working full-time whilst self-teaching myself Web Design, Dreamweaver, PhotoShop, HTML and all that malarky, whilst having set up my own Ltd company which is already starting to turn a tidy profit.

 

Who needs Uni?

 

Yes, I really do roxer. :cool:

 

Christmas bargain shop is the cutting edge of web design. Smooth, sleek and user-friendly.

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Infact quite the opposite... a manager who earns less than his team, generally is a very good manager

 

That's because all decent sales jobs have uncapped commision, so if the salesman is over-achieving, then he will generally earn more as he has a bigger slice of the commision than the manager will have, this will more than make up for the lower basic wage than that of his/her managers.

 

I hope this explains it. xx

 

ah but if the manager has 4 salesmen under him then he will earn * 4 etc etc, without actually doing much. So not really opposite or a good manager.

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Or you could do what I am doing.... working full-time whilst self-teaching myself Web Design, Dreamweaver, PhotoShop, HTML and all that malarky, whilst having set up my own Ltd company which is already starting to turn a tidy profit.

 

Who needs Uni?

 

Yes, I really do roxer. :cool:

 

but say you wanted a full time job as a web developer, most companies ask for a degree.

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My shoes don't have laces, mong boy.

 

You seem to be getting a little bit upset, is it because you feel a bit silly that you are doing some jackass pointless course at University?

 

Don't worry, you have fun tossing it off though, people like me will just foot the bill as normal.

 

It seems like AGES since there has been a good student thread!

 

Stu, at what point are you actually footing the bill for students? Don't students these days have to pay for themselves through tuition fees and loans? I know technically it is the governments (hence our) money but they do pay it back. I for example pay £150 a month back. Also, government spending on higher education is a fraction compared to the nuclear missiles etc etc that our taxes pay for...

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ah but if the manager has 4 salesmen under him then he will earn * 4 etc etc, without actually doing much. So not really opposite or a good manager.

 

No, because generally he will earn commision on his teams overall performance, rather than taking a cut off each individual.

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It seems like AGES since there has been a good student thread!

 

Stu, at what point are you actually footing the bill for students? Don't students these days have to pay for themselves through tuition fees and loans? I know technically it is the governments (hence our) money but they do pay it back. I for example pay £150 a month back. Also, government spending on higher education is a fraction compared to the nuclear missiles etc etc that our taxes pay for...

 

No. Students sometimes subsidise their University costs.... the rest are footed by the tax payer. Someone who earns £20k a year will typically pay £200 of their tax which goes to funding University education.

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No. Students sometimes subsidise their University costs.... the rest are footed by the tax payer. Someone who earns £20k a year will typically pay £200 of their tax which goes to funding University education.

 

the student once graduated and earning over £15000 will pay this back with interest. The real winners are the government..again

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And if you knew anything about sales then you will know that in the majority of jobs in sales, the people selling are on more than their managers, which has been the case in my previous 3 jobs.

 

So hardly a double win is it?

 

Damn, you've got me there Stuart. That's why I quit my job and am now on scamming the benefit system (thanks to what I learnt on my law degree). Triple win.

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