Toadhall Saint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 pulled prices on everyone not just WGS so may not mean him. Sounds like SB could be right then but..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 both were good for us. WGS stayed longer and agree with points you make. Remember the feeling when Hoddle left - we were looking really good. Hoddle was better. We were going somewhere under him until the North London Yobbos wrecked it. Strachan had a purple patch, but he lost his nerve imo when we lost 6-1 to Arsenal a few weeks before the Cup Final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 why the f**k would they remove prices so early on :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 both were good for us. WGS stayed longer and agree with points you make. Remember the feeling when Hoddle left - we were looking really good. I was gutted when Hoddle left and I was one of the people who understood why he did, and never hated the bloke. I just feel that WGS has been in the game with Celtic and has been a success, be it in Scotland. I feel Hoddle maybe a little out of touch, when was he sacked by Spurs 2003/4? I would love it if WGS came in and I feel the fans would be more united behind him. We all know he could not take us any further, but I also would take a gamble on GH without a doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLOTH EARS Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 It'll be Christian Gross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Hoddle was better. We were going somewhere under him until the North London Yobbos wrecked it. Strachan had a purple patch, but he lost his nerve imo when we lost 6-1 to Arsenal a few weeks before the Cup Final. for ****sake we are agreeing on far too much - this is a new era! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge_B Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 On a low interest market that only one bookie is offering, it would take no money at all to make the prices change or for them to be pulled altogether. I'd lay WGS at 5/4 until my mortgage is paid, I'd like him here as much as the next man but I just can't see it. More chance of him than Hoddle though; that is a definite non-runner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 You can tell which departure, Strachan or Hoddle, we know deep down did the most damage, by the level of vitriol directed at each by the fans in discussion. It was Hoddle by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 It'll be Christian Gross Cloth Ears plays "which Swiss managers can I remember then ?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 before we get too excited over skybet they removed all manager special betting, not just saints, overnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 On a low interest market that only one bookie is offering, it would take no money at all to make the prices change or for them to be pulled altogether. I agree in a thin market, it doesnt take much to move prices; but it doesnt explain why prices would be pulled altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 WGS would have done better (and stayed, probably) if he'd had the final say in player purchases, IMHO. Hopefully, the new manager will have control in such matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I agree in a thin market, it doesnt take much to move prices; but it doesnt explain why prices would be pulled altogether. before we get too excited over skybet they removed all manager special betting, not just saints, overnight. maybe they always do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McAndrew Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 a taxi driver rumour is that WGS was at st marys late this evening....dont you just love all the rumour talk lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Hoddle was better. We were going somewhere under him until the North London Yobbos wrecked it. Strachan had a purple patch, but he lost his nerve imo when we lost 6-1 to Arsenal a few weeks before the Cup Final. Hoddle didn't hang around long enough to judge. At all his other jobs (Swindon apart) he started off well then just faded into mediocrity. If he had stayed at Saints the same thing would have probably happened. He's a good coach but his record in the transfer market and his man management ultimately let him down as a manager. Not in Strachan's league IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 a taxi driver rumour is that WGS was at st marys late this evening....dont you just love all the rumour talk lol Heard he was in Southampton too. I am putting it down to bull**** though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 WGS would have done better (and stayed, probably) if he'd had the final say in player purchases, IMHO. Hopefully, the new manager will have control in such matters. He left because Lowe failed to back him when he warned him that the team was higher in the league than it deserved to be without reinforcement. At the time we badly needed a midfield and Lowe looked at us high in the table and thought he knew better. WGS left soon after for a hip operation... sorry, but Lowe put him off, as well as all the other decent managers we had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 WGS leaving was not a bad thing in itself (it was made a bad thing by the complete shambles that Lowe followed it with) - I don't think WGS could have taken us further and it was time for someone to pick up the mantle. That said, we now have a huge potential again and he seems as good as anyone when it comes to appointing someone to help fulfil it. My only concern is that things are never quite the same the second time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I bet Hoddle has been doing some Swiss sightseeing in the past few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromdayone Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Also heard that Strachans wife was seen in a city centre dept store buying tons of household goods/curtains etc... maybe moving back into the home they still have in Warsash?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Also heard that Strachans wife was seen in a city centre dept store buying tons of household goods/curtains etc... maybe moving back into the home they still have in Warsash?! she never left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 she never left. Heard that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I agree in a thin market, it doesnt take much to move prices; but it doesnt explain why prices would be pulled altogether. If your theory is correct I will get Wigley installed as fav when the market re-opens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I actually think if we get WGS back I might let a little bit of wee out in pure excitement. Hoddle at 40-1 looks a tasty bet, bet that price won't be there in the morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilko Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I've just got back from watching Weston-super-Mare v Exeter. Exeter fielded a first team, but Paul Tisdale was absent. The Grecians were managed by Andy Tilson. Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Heard he was in Southampton too. I am putting it down to bull**** though. I can guarantee 100% that he was less than a mile from the stadium this afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I can guarantee 100% that he was less than a mile from the stadium this afternoon. Was he at the Aviation Museum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I would bet that our new manager isn't even on that list Completely agree. Tony Husband on South Today (who is normally ITK) was tonight hinting at a continental set-up with a director of football. I would be expecting a foreign manager as English managers aren't normally too keen on that. FWIW I would love Strachan but really can't see it. I suspect he'll end up at Fratton if he's living in Hants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Was he at the Aviation Museum? Is that still open? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I've just got back from watching Weston-super-Mare v Exeter. Exeter fielded a first team, but Paul Tisdale was absent. The Grecians were managed by Andy Tilson. Fact. Paul Tisdale has just been completing the first part of his UEFA Pro Licence at Warwick University with peeps like Hart, Di Matteo, Adkins, Poyet and Staunton....This is an elite coaching badge....He completed his A licence in 2007....Whilst on the course a second year course group arrived and this included Southgate. Tisdale will now complete 240 hours various criteria over a period of time.. including a one week visit to an overses club... John Yemms and his second in charge are also looking at other players at other clubs friendlies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Lyre Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Shouldn't bagpuss be in at 666/1 seeing as he's destined to burn in hell for eternity..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I can guarantee 100% that he was less than a mile from the stadium this afternoon. Did you see him then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zurichsaint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 It'll be Christian Gross That's actually not a bad shout. He's just been fired as manager of Basel, so has no club at the moment. Most in Switzerland would consider him as one of the best managers here of the last 10 years (4 championships and 4 cups in that time), though he did have the biggest budget. Personally, I'd still rather have WGS; but I don't think it will happen until we're back in the top flight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Positives and negatives about both Hoddle and WGS. WGS - Good (Fitness, Motivation, Passion, High Tempo, Style) Okay (Signings) Bad (Midgame tactics (no plan B), subs (McCann for Fernandez 65mins without fail) Hoddle - Good (great subs and tactical changes, organised, defensively strong) Okay (Style, Fitness) Bad (signings - Draper FFS, motivation ability questionable, ego) Personally I don't think you should ever go back. If WGS stays away he will always be a hero. If he comes back, there is a risk he'll tarnish that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Positives and negatives about both Hoddle and WGS. WGS - Good (Fitness, Motivation, Passion, High Tempo, Style) Okay (Signings) Bad (Midgame tactics (no plan B), subs (McCann for Fernandez 65mins without fail) Hoddle - Good (great subs and tactical changes, organised, defensively strong) Okay (Style, Fitness) Bad (signings - Draper FFS, motivation ability questionable, ego) Personally I don't think you should ever go back. If WGS stays away he will always be a hero. If he comes back, there is a risk he'll tarnish that. Draper was a better signing than Rosler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 WGS ticks all the boxes. Lives in Southampton, unfinished business combined with a motivation to live somewhere nice and gets the fans united. If it is him I'll be stunned and over the moon, but gutted it wasn't the Dream (on) team of me & Nickh I'd also love to know where the Swiss guys got their business plan as they would show they are REALLY on the ball and have a real feel for what is needed. Strachan now in close season - gets the squad fit for L1, may have to fly back just to be able to put 50 quid on us at least getting into the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Dennis wise is a tw at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I've just got back from watching Weston-super-Mare v Exeter. Exeter fielded a first team, but Paul Tisdale was absent. The Grecians were managed by Andy Tilson. Fact. THIS is VERY interesting continental style....? WGS as DoF with PT as manager? I need a tissue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrhsaint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 he still has a house in warsash and his daughters are still down here.!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locks heath saint 2 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Strachan manager keegan director of football Harry ball boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westofshannonsaint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I know its only the Sun, but......... http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2527184/Saints-eye-Strachan.html Saints refused to deny reports that Strachan was at the club's training ground yesterday, hours after Wotte's dismissal. I cant believe it, these things don't happen to Saints, or do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 I cant believe it, these things don't happen to Saints, or do they? lazy bast*rd to go on sabbatical that long :smt028 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthieu Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Hey if Strachan does come back then I'll be able to dig out all my 'On the March with Strachan's Army' flags that I picked up dirt cheap after the 2003 Cup Final. Think I've got a few t-shirts I shipped over as well. I bet you'd see a fair few coming out the back the of wardrobe if he is appointed. Who was Celtic's star player under Strachan? Surely we can steal him? Nakamura? Scott McDonald? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Strachan still at 5/4 with Skybet to be new manager. Pretty much as it was yesterday with a few new names mentioned elsewhere I think: Strachan, G 5/4 Wise, D 5/1 Keegan, K 8/1 Boothroyd, A 10/1 Adams T 12/1 Le Tissier, M 12/1 Adams, M 16/1 Shearer, A 16/1 Wright, M 20/1 Dowie, I 25/1 Bond, K 25/1 Souness, G 33/1 Hoddle, G 40/1 Redknapp, H 66/1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Are you a Dalek? He was on Five Live saying how he had turned down 16 job offers and how happy he was. I would like him to stay in Spain.He is doing worthy work there. Wotte was on the TV two hours before ghe was sacked that all was tickety-boo. What people say to the media and what is reality are often quite disparate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Chuckle Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Tony Adams 12/1 Jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Tony Adams 12/1 Jesus I really find it hard to believe that Jesus is at 12/1. Still, he wasn't a bad full back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 Strachan still at 5/4 with Skybet to be new manager. Pretty much as it was yesterday with a few new names mentioned elsewhere I think: Strachan, G 5/4 Wise, D 5/1 Keegan, K 8/1 Boothroyd, A 10/1 Adams T 12/1 Le Tissier, M 12/1 Adams, M 16/1 Shearer, A 16/1 Wright, M 20/1 Dowie, I 25/1 Bond, K 25/1 Souness, G 33/1 Hoddle, G 40/1 Redknapp, H 66/1 This is seriously worrying. What is this **** doing so high in the reckoning? If he's 5/1 what price Vinnie Jones, Ian Brady, Harold Shipman or even Branfoot? Sorry, the thought of Wise, who would surely rival Hoddle in the popularity relegation zone, has left me somewhat deranged! :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 This is seriously worrying. What is this **** doing so high in the reckoning? If he's 5/1 what price Vinnie Jones, Ian Brady, Harold Shipman or even Branfoot? Sorry, the thought of Wise, who would surely rival Hoddle in the popularity relegation zone, has left me somewhat deranged! :mad: why is it worrying....done a remarkabel job with leeds as manager...and did well with swindon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 10 July, 2009 Share Posted 10 July, 2009 I wouln't get too excited about the odds on Strachan - here's a reminder of the odds when Burley left. The bookies must have been laughing all the way to the bank. Paul Ince 7/4 Chris Coleman 5/2 Billy Davies 4/1 Dave Jones 7/1 Glenn Hoddle 10/1 Tony Pulis 10/1 Alan Shearer 12/1 Stuart Baxter 12/1 Jason Dodd 16/1 Kevin Blackwell 16/1 Micky Adams 16/1 Gary Johnson 20/1 Graeme Souness 20/1 Sam Allardyce 20/1 Nick Holmes 25/1 Matt Le Tissier 33/1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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