SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 He never was divisive, 95% of fans were looking forward to him coming in 2004 as well as the players. Unfortunately the 5%who didn't like the idea had loud mouths and hijacked the appointment. Not getting into an argument on this as frankly right now I am ecstatic that we're about to get a decent manager... and Hoddle would do a decent job... but I think your stats may be a little bit ambitious there Dalek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 He never was divisive, 95% of fans were looking forward to him coming in 2004 as well as the players. Unfortunately the 5%who didn't like the idea had loud mouths and hijacked the appointment. What a load of b o l l o c k s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Football is a tough game and ultimately in this results driven business I think Wotte had to go. Footballing wise, I saw nothing of note during his stint as a part of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up, which delivered less points than matches played, to suggest he was worth keeping on. And then when solely in charge, once again he failed to deliver and never inspired me one bit. I really didn't see anything in him that was worth persevering with. Maybe a role coaching the youngsters, but then again I don't think it would be a good idea to have an ex manager lurking in the shadows. Absolutely spot on UM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 He got the pay off he was after then, good riddance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 (edited) He never was divisive, 95% of fans were looking forward to him coming in 2004 as well as the players. Unfortunately the 5%who didn't like the idea had loud mouths and hijacked the appointment. behave, he put a lot of noses out of joint. You are right the loudest noise came from those that didn't want him but make no mistake it was closer to 50:50 split as was replicated in the boardroom. Its water under the bridge. Let it go and enjoy this latest part of the rollercoaster ride. In the end you have to experience the lows to really enjoy the highs and WHEN we do make it back to the big time we won't treat it like our right and enjoy every last minute. Edited 9 July, 2009 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfold Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Feel very sorry for him, great dignity and loyalty was shown to Saints by Wotte. But I don't think he was the right man for the job long term. Good Luck to him in future ventures and I hope the Egypt based job is still open for him Well said. Couldnt agree more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 He never was divisive, 95% of fans were looking forward to him coming in 2004 as well as the players. Unfortunately the 5%who didn't like the idea had loud mouths and hijacked the appointment. No it wasn't you stupid freak. Hoddle is a c*nt and a bad manager who is not welcome here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 No it wasn't you stupid freak. Hoddle is a c*nt and a bad manager who is not welcome here. You must be in the 5%? ...sorry stop! ! Teasing . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 It had to be. Mark Wotte was in charge when we were relegated. He hasn't achieved a win against two non-league clubs. His tactics were vague. He turned out to be a decent bloke who stood by the club and kept the players (and us to some extent) in the loop when everything was falling around him. For that he deserves our thanks and best wishes. He had just been awarded a year's contract by Mark Fry before we were bought by ML, so that means he will not go away poor, and that is fair enough in the circumstances. (Generous of Fry to do that btw, and I wonder if it was a thank you because he knew Wotte would not be required by the new owners? Just a thought.) Upwards and onwards! COYR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Good riddance. Crap manager. I think the ones here who are saying what a shame, he should've been given more time, etc., etc., are the ones who said the same thing about Gray and Wigley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I wonder if Mr Jones is going to sleep well tonight...he awards a year contract to Wotte and a week later sees him get the sack. Now if you were running a business how would you view that decision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 It had to be. Mark Wotte was in charge when we were relegated. He hasn't achieved a win against two non-league clubs. His tactics were vague. He turned out to be a decent bloke who stood by the club and kept the players (and us to some extent) in the loop when everything was falling around him. For that he deserves our thanks and best wishes. He had just been awarded a year's contract by Mark Fry before we were bought by ML, so that means he will not go away poor, and that is fair enough in the circumstances. (Generous of Fry to do that btw, and I wonder if it was a thank you because he knew Wotte would not be required by the new owners? Just a thought.) Upwards and onwards! COYR! I think this is a spot on assessment. Mark Wotte has conducted himself with real dignity, however, lets not forget that he was in charge when we were relegated from the CCC. New brooms etc. Wish him well though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I wonder if Mr Jones is going to sleep well tonight...he awards a year contract to Wotte and a week later sees him get the sack. Now if you were running a business how would you view that decision? I think Jones knew he was rewarding his boss' (Lowe not Fry) mate by sanctioning this contract on the off chance the old regime may still have a man in the camp, and an influential one at that, but under the more than likely scenario he'd be sacked and the new guys would thus have to reward him financially for being their stooge this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I think Jones knew he was rewarding his boss' (Lowe not Fry) mate by sanctioning this contract on the off chance the old regime may still have a man in the camp, and an influential one at that, but under the more than likely scenario he'd be sacked and the new guys would thus have to reward him financially for being their stooge this year. Thats a pretty decent reward for one weeks work! His contract expired on the 30th June. He gets the sack on the 9th July with a years pay off now I call that poor business at any level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Anything to do with the fact that skybet have stopped taking on WGS? really? source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Will Wotte resume his role with the academy? (I wrote that sentence for Jonathon Ross to say) More chance or Wotte wesuming his wole with the Woyal Academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Thats a pretty decent reward for one weeks work! His contract expired on the 30th June. He gets the sack on the 9th July with a years pay off now I call that poor business at any level. It wasnt Jones' money to lose it was Markus'. So, it was good business by Jones/Fry/Lowe in rewarding their loyal stooge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 (edited) really? source? There's a whole fred on it! Edited 9 July, 2009 by SaintRobbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 It wasnt Jones' money to lose it was Markus'. So, it was good business by Jones/Fry/Lowe in rewarding their loyal stooge. But shocking business for Markus...thats the point Robbie would you be happy if someone just cost you a years salary for one weeks work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I think Jones knew he was rewarding his boss' (Lowe not Fry) mate by sanctioning this contract on the off chance the old regime may still have a man in the camp, and an influential one at that, but under the more than likely scenario he'd be sacked and the new guys would thus have to reward him financially for being their stooge this year. And I reckon Jones's days are numbered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 But shocking business for Markus...thats the point Robbie would you be happy if someone just cost you a years salary for one weeks work? I suppose when you're a billionaire with ambition and you just bought a football club with no debt for a pittance... you can spare a couple of grand to rid yourself of a poor manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 And I reckon Jones's days are numbered. Too right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 There's a whole fred on it! Oh yeah duh! sky says all manager bets cancelled now http://thoughhttp://www.skybet.com/skybet?action=GoLastEvent&z=8218#market_div_12499959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Oh yeah duh! sky says all manager bets cancelled now http://thoughhttp://www.skybet.com/skybet?action=GoLastEvent&z=8218#market_div_12499959 Interesting isnt it. So why did they stop bets... WGS at 13/8 or Wise at 4/1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I wonder if Mr Jones is going to sleep well tonight...he awards a year contract to Wotte and a week later sees him get the sack. Now if you were running a business how would you view that decision? If I was Jones I might be looking for a new job too....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Everyone seems to forget that Wotte was still under contract as Academy Director. He wasn't given a new contract by Jones, his existing one was amended to Head Coach. He would have had to have been paid up for the remainder of his AD contract anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Everyone seems to forget that Wotte was still under contract as Academy Director. He wasn't given a new contract by Jones, his existing one was amended to Head Coach. He would have had to have been paid up for the remainder of his AD contract anyway. Didnt the AD contract expire on the 30th June? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Didnt the AD contract expire on the 30th June? Nope! Only his Head Coach one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Nope! Only his Head Coach one. Ok thanks...at least Jones can get a good nights sleep before counting all our ST money ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chi saint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Bad start already, why after all he's put up with we couldn't give him a chance or at least made the pretence of offering him some sort of position escapes me. We are supposed to be a family club and it hardly gives the right impression with only a couple of hours the poor sucker thought he was assured of his position. It smacks of ruthlesness which whilst some may applaud, personally I don't like it, could be the start of merry go round of managers, who don't bring instant sucess. Whilst it will turn out to be a good decision in terms of peformance..eventually... it'll just be a matter of counting the managers coming through the doors over the next few years. Iv'e no doubt that those with the money are relient on advice from those with supposed football knowledge or vested interests, and it'll all be about who over the past few weeks has been best at net working and making contacts within the club and with the new owners or more importantly those advising them rather than identifying the best man for the job. On that basis it's not what you know it's who you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Bad start already, why after all he's put up with we couldn't give him a chance or at least made the pretence of offering him some sort of position escapes me. We are supposed to be a family club and it hardly gives the right impression with only a couple of hours the poor sucker thought he was assured of his position. It smacks of ruthlesness which whilst some may applaud, personally I don't like it, could be the start of merry go round of managers, who don't bring instant sucess. Whilst it will turn out to be a good decision in terms of peformance..eventually... it'll just be a matter of counting the managers coming through the doors over the next few years. . The family club that has gotten through how many managers in the last few years so those doors are well oiled! Why should he be rewarded for failing? Why should he get a job over Stuart Henderson who has done a fantastic job here in the past few years? For me its a great start....recognise where the weak link is and get rid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 But shocking business for Markus...thats the point Robbie would you be happy if someone just cost you a years salary for one weeks work? Not good business, but I'll be surprised if it cost more than £50K in compo. It probably would have cost us a lot more to get a goalkeeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Good riddance. Crap manager. I think the ones here who are saying what a shame, he should've been given more time, etc., etc., are the ones who said the same thing about Gray and Wigley. You bet! I almost never believe in sacking the manager as a solution to anything. I will admit though, that I'm often proved wrong by history ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Good ridddance! are words that I don't think are acceptable. Whether you rate him or not, I don't think, in light of what he has done and how he has presented himself in the last few weeks deserve that. Whether or not he turned down a job in Egypt and he may have a years pay (though that only applies while he is out of work in most circumstances) I personally don't like some peoples appalling disrespect to a man who only wanted to try and do a decent job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarum saint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 That's a bit out of order. Feel sorry for him. yes what *( Wotte ?) price loyalty and integrety ? Good luck Mark you can leave with your head held high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I wonder if Mr Jones is going to sleep well tonight...he awards a year contract to Wotte and a week later sees him get the sack. Now if you were running a business how would you view that decision? Maybe you answered your own question. Taxi for a few more yet I would expect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Great news. First football decision and they get it spot on. I do not disagree that the decision was right but the way it was done leaves a sour taste. The man was clearly convinced that he had a job, based presumably on things that were said to him during meetings, and then he is fired out of the blue. Sure he has his year's salary but surely a more honest approach would have been to say "We cannot guarantee anything but we will make sure you are looked after financially for holding the fort" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExSt Peter Saint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I agree that Wotte deserves respect for his work over the summer and keeping things going, but he was never going to be the manager we needed to get us going in the right direction. I didn't think the new owner would sack him, but tbh am very glad he did and that we will have new blood to take us forward. I just hope someone really good is lined up to take over very quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Bad start already, why after all he's put up with we couldn't give him a chance or at least made the pretence of offering him some sort of position escapes me. We are supposed to be a family club and it hardly gives the right impression with only a couple of hours the poor sucker thought he was assured of his position. It smacks of ruthlesness which whilst some may applaud, personally I don't like it, could be the start of merry go round of managers, who don't bring instant sucess. Whilst it will turn out to be a good decision in terms of peformance..eventually... it'll just be a matter of counting the managers coming through the doors over the next few years. Iv'e no doubt that those with the money are relient on advice from those with supposed football knowledge or vested interests, and it'll all be about who over the past few weeks has been best at net working and making contacts within the club and with the new owners or more importantly those advising them rather than identifying the best man for the job. On that basis it's not what you know it's who you know. I'm sorry. I just do NOT buy this nice bloke sympathy stuff. Name me ONE football team that has EVER won anything by being NICE Oh, let's all get in touch with the metro man and commune with our feminine selves and be nice to each other. Wow, that will work in this league. Wotte came into the club as part of an overall desperate deluded EXPERIMENT. That almost KILLED this football club. Sorry, I am not getting at Wotte, but he wasn't up to the JOB. Hundreds of thousands of NICE people all around this world are losing their jobs in this recession. It is always the achieveres OR the complete b*stards who keep theirs. Save the sympathy for others, it is NO way to appoint a Football Club's team Manager. Wotte was not good enough to keep us up. He didn't HAVE to accept the job, in fact if he was such a NICE GUY he should have told Rupert - no and saved us a hell of a lot of pain from relegation. But he DID accept the job, he DID step up to the plate - there is NO WAY he can no go back into the "backroom staff" - HE IS A FAILURE - We are in League ONE Sure he inherited a lost cause, but at the end of the day, the team he MANAGED was RELEGATED. Goodbye to the failures of the past, the hangers on and the politics, Hello new era. He was NEVER going to be kept Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 A strong rumour that he had applied for the Watford job earlier this summer. Really? - why is this first we heard of it here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I'm sorry. I just do NOT buy this nice bloke sympathy stuff. Name me ONE football team that has EVER won anything by being NICE Oh, let's all get in touch with the metro man and commune with our feminine selves and be nice to each other. Wow, that will work in this league. Wotte came into the club as part of an overall desperate deluded EXPERIMENT. That almost KILLED this football club. Sorry, I am not getting at Wotte, but he wasn't up to the JOB. Hundreds of thousands of NICE people all around this world are losing their jobs in this recession. It is always the achieveres OR the complete b*stards who keep theirs. Save the sympathy for others, it is NO way to appoint a Football Club's team Manager. Wotte was not good enough to keep us up. He didn't HAVE to accept the job, in fact if he was such a NICE GUY he should have told Rupert - no and saved us a hell of a lot of pain from relegation. But he DID accept the job, he DID step up to the plate - there is NO WAY he can no go back into the "backroom staff" - HE IS A FAILURE - We are in League ONE Sure he inherited a lost cause, but at the end of the day, the team he MANAGED was RELEGATED. Goodbye to the failures of the past, the hangers on and the politics, Hello new era. He was NEVER going to be kept see thats what I am saying, a post that reflects your opinion without saying things like "good riddance", I just feel that you can want him to go or be happy he is gone, but i think he deserves a little respect, thats all. In saying all of that, don't know whay you think anyone would turn down the job if offered, don't know if you are experienced in this field but would you have turned it down? And then tried to keep us up playing a bunch of kids and Jason Euell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 If Mr Wotte is any good as a manager he will now have a point to prove and will not be so niave in his choice of employer. I hope he proves it, but he does have a lot to learn in the mean time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 he wasnt given a new contract!! I am pretty sure he was - 12 month rolling contract (those are the words that stuck in my mind) - about a week ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I would guess (And don't know) that he was given a one month rolling contract. Just can't see annaul contracts being dished out in the state we were in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 see thats what I am saying, a post that reflects your opinion without saying things like "good riddance", I just feel that you can want him to go or be happy he is gone, but i think he deserves a little respect, thats all. In saying all of that, don't know whay you think anyone would turn down the job if offered, don't know if you are experienced in this field but would you have turned it down? And then tried to keep us up playing a bunch of kids and Jason Euell! I did the respect bit earlier. I just get annoyed at the wishy washy ness. Life is about choices. If you are HAPPY in your job, you feel you are achieving and have a work/life balance, then any WISE person also fully understand the old adage about people being promoted to one level above that of their maximum incompetence. So the WISE person says, I am happy, my life is good, no boss I understand you need help and I will give as much as I can but I cannot do that new job. That isn't egotism, it's realism as a wise person understands they are likely to fail. Some "Go For It", a few succeed, but most fail. Wotte told us he was reluctant to take the job. Ergo he should have stayed where he was happy and competent AND secure. He didn't, he's gone and NO amount of niceness or professionalism wil hide the fact that he failed. He talks the tak, I have no concerns about him, he will find work. But what about the other nice guys and gals out there getting canned for the failures of others in the banks etc... Don't see any threads in the Lounge about them He didn't stay in the comfort zone. he went for it. We got relegated. Simply put - he showed a lack of wisdom and he got fired. As for wisdom on here, dream on, we have schoolkids through to OAP's. Taxi drivers and comedians through to CEO's. There will never be balance, that is why it is so much fun and why I always defend anyone's ability to say what they want, hell even our resident grumpies/mind changers and trolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 For one thing he was interviewed by the BBC this morning and he was clearly under the impression that he was remaining as manager for the next 12 months, yet only a couple of hours later, he's out on his ear. Sorry but in my book that's poor treatment. I know it's the nature of the game these days, but I do think it shows us in a poor light. Given his track record, they should have let him know yesterday that he was not to be taking the club forward. And why he may have been under that impression? Was he told he had the job, or did he simply assume it? I'd guess the latter. The takeover didn't even complete until Wednesday afternoon; you can hardly expect that the new owners would have been in a position to decide whether Wotte should stay, or have the chance to talk to him properly, that same day. As it is, the decision came towards the end of their first day in charge of the club, which has looked pretty damned quick to most people; I was certainly surprised at the swiftness of it. Oh, and given Wotte's track record in management he should never have been appointed in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Davis signed on long term deal Wotte gone. A fantastic start to the MALI regime. Wotte has conducted himself well in recent months, but I think it's only compared to the Lowe/Admin/Pinnacle/no Pinnacle/maybe Pinnacle/Leibherr farce. In reality I wouldn't have expected anything less from a manager than to shut up and get on with pre season as much as possible. I haven't ever seen anything to suggest Wotte is up to the job, so this is a wise decision IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Entirely the right decision. A fresh start for the club following this astonishing and incredibly welcome takeover. Even if MW had been up to the job which I doubt.....his departure clears most of the stench of the Lowe era. To my mind keeping Wotte in the new era after losing Pearson following Lowe's return would have been the new administration's first major mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 No room for sentimentality. We need a big name manager who will attract players to the club. And that would be ..... Hoddle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Mark Wotte and his bloody narrow diamond midfield got us relegated. The players didn't understand it, didn't like it, wanted it changed and it got us relegated. His record as a manager was poor, nobody in their right mind would give him the responsibility of resurrecting the club. We have to quickly rebuild the side and if we are going to spend money he isn't the man to do it. The new owner is spot on. Get somebody in that can raise the adrenaline of the supporters, sort out the players and play the sort of football that the fans want to see. In any other circumstances or club he wouldn't have survived May. Hopefully we can now look forward to a proper manager who believes in 4-4-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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