rocknrollman no2 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 No room for sentimentality. We need a big name manager who will attract players to the club. Anyone spring to mind Dalek???:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Bit of a shame in so much as Wotte could have been an excellent Academy manager/executive... I'd hate to lose his experience... I've got a dream list of Strachan or Keegan and a realistic list of Coppel or Hoddle Hoddle COULD well be our next manager. All things going to plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Never a dull moment at this club is there ! Mark Wotte had a decent chance to show what he could do when he took over from Poortvliet and to be brutally honest there was not much evidence the team were responding to him . Mr Liebherr said yesterday he was going to put place in a top class management structure at the club and it looks like he's a man of his word . I'd expect an announcement regarding our next manager within the next few days as someone is in all probability already lined up - If I was a betting man I've have a few quid on us getting an established foreign manager with a solid record of success behind him . The message is perfectly clear , shape up or ship out . I said weeks ago, one reason for choosing the swiss over Pinnacle, was they had a much better management structure in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Hoddle COULD well be our next manager. All things going to plan. Just what we need under this new united new club.... can I hear the box of Kleenex being opened Dalek??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarb101 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 In these days of football management of 'get results or you're walking', it is refreshing to read that our new owners will have patience etc. I think that this fact alone will be attractive to a lot of the better established managers and hopefully may interest the likes of Strachan, Coppell etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Well f*ck me - that was sudden, quick and decisive. Glad they've acted so speedily and (in my view at least) correctly. No point in sticking with somebody whose record as a manager is one of pretty much unvarying failure. And I don't buy the loyalty bit either - Wotte would have been gone like a flash if he'd been offered something else (and, given the circumstances, I wouldn't blame him). But he wasn't - that's the only reason why he stuck with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Hoddle COULD well be our next manager. All things going to plan. Thankfully though, you're not the one making the plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Stab in the back? More a well needed Kick up the arris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Just what we need under this new united new club.... can I hear the box of Kleenex being opened Dalek??? As long as the same people who kicked off in 2004 don't make the same mistake again, we should be alright. I hope they have learn't their lesson over the last 5 years ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I remember Paul Rideout! Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Is it just me or is it interesting that soon after Davies is confirmed as staying that Wotte is sacked? Lots of rumours of unpopularity with the players, do we think that they might be true? Sure this has been said before but my brother in-law works with lots of Pompey fans, they're slightly less ****y now...shame:smt040:smt117 don't know why the catch is the chicken is there apart from it's funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unionhotel Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I don't want to put a dampener on all this euphoria guys but ffs we're (in old money) a 3rd division club starting our renaissance on minus points. Leeds have been trying to sort something out for years now and it's just not happened! Perhaps a touch of realism is needed however bright the future might be. It's a long hard road out of this crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I hope Phil , Mr 100%, from Dubai does not get overlooked for Saints new boss.....Some of the forum team even refer to him as big PHIL.....Knowing our luck...Mr Phil also has his UEFA Pro licence..already....Apparently you can get anything down the market. Oh keep up, no time for something so trivial. We are well down the road on our REAL masterplan to takeover the Sk8tes. Everything so far has been a smokescreen you fools! We have a proper and professional 5 year plan so that it looks just like systemic bad luck whilst causing them the most pain imaginable. Why else would I have got my old mate Sultan bin Trump to lead it.. After all - they started the war with that whole shirt buried at SMS story, been planning this revenge for 7 years, ever since the White Witch thing went wrong Although, To be fair I think both Nickh & I showed a little bit of creativity with our tactical changes - after all according to nickh mine were so far advanced as to be hardly legal, so maybe you are right, Liebe Markus, Ich bin ein Englander und ich bin ein fantastiche fussball manager mein mate> Ich hoffe zum Engerland gekoomen fur die cricketish inz Julio auf die Uberluete platz ins Londonium. (Of and yes I managed to print my UEFA Pro certificate out of a fake old copy of CM03 I bought in a market in Thailand for 2 quid) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I don't want to put a dampener on all this euphoria guys but ffs we're (in old money) a 3rd division club starting our renaissance on minus points. Leeds have been trying to sort something out for years now and it's just not happened! Perhaps a touch of realism is needed however bright the future might be. It's a long hard road out of this crap. I dont think Markus is at Leeds and they started off with less than - 10 (cant be more otherwise it would be less) I think if they started on - 10 they would have been promoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Football is a tough game and ultimately in this results driven business I think Wotte had to go. Footballing wise, I saw nothing of note during his stint as a part of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up, which delivered less points than matches played, to suggest he was worth keeping on. And then when solely in charge, once again he failed to deliver and never inspired me one bit. I really didn't see anything in him that was worth persevering with. Maybe a role coaching the youngsters, but then again I don't think it would be a good idea to have an ex manager lurking in the shadows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 As long as the same people who kicked off in 2004 don't make the same mistake again, we should be alright. I hope they have learn't their lesson over the last 5 years ! You are possibly the saddest cretin on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Still in shock... first the take over... then Davis signing... and now the biggest bonus of them all Wotte gone! The future is bright...somebody pinch me I must be dreaming! What's going to happen tomorrow...it will have to be good to cap the last two days? Then again something always happens ona Friday!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I don't want to put a dampener on all this euphoria guys but ffs we're (in old money) a 3rd division club starting our renaissance on minus points. Leeds have been trying to sort something out for years now and it's just not happened! Perhaps a touch of realism is needed however bright the future might be. It's a long hard road out of this crap. And Ken Bates was only worth 35 million in 2006 chicken feed to ML Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monosaint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I am dissappointed given the degree of loyalty MW showed recently. I think he's been badly treated and I wish him good luck.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redbul Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Well, things do move fast. Have to say this was probably inevitable as I'm sure the new owners will want to get someone in to attract players in that can do the business for us; Wotte wouldn't be able to do that. Having said that, fair play to the man for turning down an opportunity to go to Egypt and to stick by us when the future was so uncertain, some thanks has got to be forthcoming for that. But unfortunately, if we want to progress we can't afford to be sentimental. Anyway, just like to offer my thanks and good luck for the future to Mr Wotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopper Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 He is walking away with a years payoff - not bad at all, and surely if the Swiss had kept him we'd all be demanding a new era anyway. As long as Sven doesnt express an interest in a move to the South Coast again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 May I point out to amnesiac fans that he was disliked by the players, was pretty clueless tactically, and could not prevent us from getting relegated. Oh, and they called him chocolate because he'd eat himself if he was. Tata Mark. I'm sure you did okay financially by us, especially in that weird role you used to have. Genuine question, how do you know he wasn't liked by the players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Gets better, should never have been appointed with his dutch compadre by that total football no brain Lowe in the first place. I respect his loyalty but there is no place for sentiment in football. As the new owners did not offer him the contract, how can they be liable to pay off his contract. Steve Coppell would make an excellent choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I am dissappointed given the degree of loyalty MW showed recently. I think he's been badly treated and I wish him good luck.. I agree he's been badly treated. I think it wouldn't have been quite so bad if he hadn't signed a year's contract last week, but I do think he's been pretty dignified and I don't blame him for talking to the Egyptians, he was perfectly correct in that he was bench warming for someone else with the Pinnacle bid. Poor sod now finds out he was doing likewise for the Swiss. The sad fact is that if a big name manager with a proven track record is appointed, we'll all forget Wotte and the way he was treated, such is the nature of our game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Hoddle COULD well be our next manager. All things going to plan. lol! Love it Dalek! Knew it was coming! Well frankly I'd be happy but then I am happy with anyone who isnt Dutch and useless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I agree he's been badly treated. What makes you say he's been badly treated?? IMHO they have informed him of their decision pretty swiftly, as opposed to stringing him along. He got a rather nice send off on the OS. He's got a years pay off (I assume). And quite frankly, when judged on the results during the last year, then there was nothing from a footballing perspective that would have saved his bacon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I know this was a while ago but just wanted to know, Is it the manager that takes a club into administration or the board? Good luck to Wotte. The new lot must have someone in mind as I wouldnt have thought they will do more than a week in the selection process to give the new guy a good shout at next season. Wonder if KD had any idea in this? Not that he should but sometimes players get frozen out by certain managers. He could have signed up knowing he will be number 1 and find out the next manager thinks he is pants and benches him. I agree, the board were the cause, but they employed a DUTCH DUO (hello those of you sainting Wotte) and they caused us to LOSE FOOTBALL MATCHES - and lots of them. This meant no one bothered to go to games. This caused us to go bust. Did they ask to be employed, no. Were the DUTCH DUO culpable in our relegation and adminstration. Of course the fecking were. Christ, I feel like Wotte screwed my wife but left me a nice salad in the fridge. Who gives a t055 about how he has conducted himself while trying to hang onto a job with his fingernails???? He came into this club on a ticket of making us win with kids on a tight budget and proved himself hopeless - he couldn't win a one hand poker match. Our team (which he presided over for a whole season) played like drains when we still had a chance to stay up - we went out like a lantern in gale. Not even a flicker, Good Fecking Ridddance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 He was the manager who was in charge when we were relegated.....he played one up front at home............At the end of the season, most fans wanted him gone. Yes he was still here, but not for the want of trying to find other employment. Good luck to him, yes...........but good riddens as well..........perhaps now, we'll get a manager with bite!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Perhaps Fry had half an idea that he would be on his way so gave him the contract as pay off and a thank you for the way he conducted himself over the last couple of months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 What makes you say he's been badly treated?? IMHO they have informed him of their decision pretty swiftly, as opposed to stringing him along. He got a rather nice send off on the OS. He's got a years pay off (I assume). And quite frankly, when judged on the results during the last year, then there was nothing from a footballing perspective that would have saved his bacon. Quite agree. He's a football manager by choice and will be well aware (or certainly should be) of the vicissitudes of that particular trade. If he expected to stay on as manager then that says more about his high opinion of himself than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 An earlier poster stated he was appalled and asked if this was the reward for loyaly. No, it was actually the reward for being incompetent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Quite agree. He's a football manager by choice and will be well aware (or certainly should be) of the vicissitudes of that particular trade. If he expected to stay on as manager then that says more about his high opinion of himself than anything else. That is a great word my friend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Its a shame for him, seeing as he stuck by us though the very deep do-do, so thank you to him for that. I think some people are pretty harsh in his direction seeing as he had Naivety and Mercenary to work with for most of his tenure. As for players not liking the manager, tough ****, how many Man Utd players would like to go out on a social with Sir Alex. Even under WGS the players hated the fact that he checked out the drinking holes in town to make sure they were not out late on the lash, many of them hated his severe training regime. Luggy turned up and the players thought they could pull the wool over his eyes: great end result boys.... relegation. I believe if he had stayed we would have been safe that season. But as has been said already football is a results driven business and sentimentality goes out the window. Bizarrely if Lawrie Mac started as our Manager today (theoretically transporting 1974 to today) he would not have had the chance to take us on to the heady days that he did. Thanks Mark..................... Good Luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 That is a great word my friend! Why thank you. Once I've finished this bottle of wine I'll probably find it more than somewhat hard to say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Hoddle COULD well be our next manager. All things going to plan. Wouldnt he perhaps be a bit divisive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 No sentiment is what we need right now, -10 from the off will be a task for any man, new owner getting on with the job is a good sign imo, agree with Wotte's conduct over this period and although articulate in interviews etc..not matched on the field where it counts. Good luck to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 No sentiment is what we need right now, -10 from the off will be a task for any man, new owner getting on with the job is a good sign imo, agree with Wotte's conduct over this period and although articulate in interviews etc..not matched on the field where it counts. Good luck to you. Fair point. We need to be hard for the greater good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 An earlier poster stated he was appalled and asked if this was the reward for loyaly. No, it was actually the reward for being incompetent. Spot on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg_hill Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I work with a couple of Dutch guys and they told me from the start that Wotte has a good reputation in The Netherlands and both were actually surprised he wasn't appointed manager in the first place over Jan P. So I think when people say he couldn't get a job elsewhere, he probably could. I also think that it would have been mightily tough for any manager to keep us up in the position he took over in last year, so I do feel sorry for the guy, especially after he conducted himself so well in a difficult time. But all that said, I think this is probably the best move. At this time we need a break with the past and a big(er) name or at least a popular name with the fans to give the club a lift. This was probably a tough but necessary business decision and it's been made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightman35 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Wouldnt he perhaps be a bit divisive? More than a bit; totally so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mower Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 My head says this is the right decision, yet my heart feels very sorry for Wotte. Best of luck Mark....thanks for sticking by us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Worst manager we have ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Worst manager we have ever had. Surely that accolade has to go to Poortvliet???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Worst manager we have ever had. Who? Wotte? I don't know I think Branfoot will always be #1. But, yeah... in terms of results, mad youth schemes and uninspired leadership a top five candidate I grant you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Surely that accolade has to go to Poortvliet???? Wigley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyb1 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I agree with Legod. Wotte actively participated in Lowe's final last experiment and then was one of the least successful Saints managers ever. It all resulted in administration and relegation. Short of going out of business there was not much worse that could have happened. And he walks away with another year of pay! Sorry i agree he probably should have gone but his record was FAR from the worst in history. More like the equal of the much loved pearson... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 the new man will be in place already, they just can't reveal him for PR reasons (and quite right to). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 What makes you say he's been badly treated?? IMHO they have informed him of their decision pretty swiftly, as opposed to stringing him along. He got a rather nice send off on the OS. He's got a years pay off (I assume). And quite frankly, when judged on the results during the last year, then there was nothing from a footballing perspective that would have saved his bacon. For one thing he was interviewed by the BBC this morning and he was clearly under the impression that he was remaining as manager for the next 12 months, yet only a couple of hours later, he's out on his ear. Sorry but in my book that's poor treatment. I know it's the nature of the game these days, but I do think it shows us in a poor light. Given his track record, they should have let him know yesterday that he was not to be taking the club forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Genuine question, how do you know he wasn't liked by the players? pm Duncan. He may shed some light if you're lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 the new man will be in place already, they just can't reveal him for PR reasons (and quite right to). Anything to do with the fact that skybet have stopped taking on WGS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Wouldnt he perhaps be a bit divisive? He never was divisive, 95% of fans were looking forward to him coming in 2004 as well as the players. Unfortunately the 5%who didn't like the idea had loud mouths and hijacked the appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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