Micky Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 SFC Average league attendance 1994-2001: 2001 15.115 2000 15.132 1999 15.133 1998 15.159 1997 15.105 1996 14.822 1995 14.689 1994 14.764 You managed it! We're only 1500 off your last 'Skip' average attendance and you were in the top flight then! Pot & kettle yet again........ I think you might have missed out a crucial point of his argument, which if done on purpose makes you look fairly stupid, if done unwittingly makes you look both naive and stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 Ah, the old 'Thousands were locked out of every home game' myth. Even if true, clubs building new grounds gain thousands of extra bums on seats due to better facilities and a general feel-good factor that a new ground generates.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 Ah, the old 'Thousands were locked out of every home game' myth. Even if true, clubs building new grounds gain thousands of extra bums on seats due to better facilities and a general feel-good factor that a new ground generates.... Why do we always end up calling you stupid ??? Do you do it deliberately or are you a bit thick?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingbattigger Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 (edited) Okay I'll bite. The Dell had a capacity of just over 15,000 so those figures show just how well we were supported Average attendance for the blue few (capacity of over 20,000) 1991–92 11,789 1992–93 13,706 1993–94 11,692 1994–95 8,629 1995–96 9,503 1996–97 8,723 1997–98 11,149 1998–99 11,956 1999–00 13,906 2000–01 13,707 Edited 16 November, 2011 by dingbattigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 Ah, the old 'Thousands were locked out of every home game' myth. Even if true, clubs building new grounds gain thousands of extra bums on seats due to better facilities and a general feel-good factor that a new ground generates.... LOL. You really are thick as pig sh1t! Some might say an 'A typical' skate fan, but I think that does the rest of your mongs a wild injustice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 Ah, the old 'Thousands were locked out of every home game' myth. Even if true, clubs building new grounds gain thousands of extra bums on seats due to better facilities and a general feel-good factor that a new ground generates.... Absolutely, just ask Coventry.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 I am guessing you are deliberately ignoring the difference between low attendance due to capacity and low attendance despite higher capacity. I've come to the conclusion that pfc123 is a nothing more than a 'poor man's Ho.' His wind-ups just aren't of the same level. Just a simple selection of distorted facts not worthy of debate. Ho, on the other hand is truly a master of the art. His meticulously researched, verbosely worded mazes of half-truth and disregard for the evidence are beautiful in their own way. His enduring ability to pick-pick-pick away at some tiny error whilst ignoring the elephant in the room, his constant desire to set himself up to be proven wrong a dozen times a day, his sheer stamina to produce so much meaningless waffle that I actually, after reading every word of nearly nine-hundred pages of this thread, have started skipping whole sections is truly on a whole higher plane of trolling. It is a fine line between genius and hat-stand barking obsessive bonkersness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 Apologies if already mentioned: Lithuanian Bank Snoras in admin, majority shareholder Vladimir Antonov. http://www.zolfocooper.com/publications/europe-media-statement-regarding-ab-bankas-snoras LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 And people said this thread was dead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopper71 Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 Apologies if already mentioned: Lithuanian Bank Snoras in admin, majority shareholder Vladimir Antonov. http://www.zolfocooper.com/publications/europe-media-statement-regarding-ab-bankas-snoras LOL. Here's to the next 880 pages! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 Apologies if already mentioned: Lithuanian Bank Snoras in admin, majority shareholder Vladimir Antonov. http://www.zolfocooper.com/publications/europe-media-statement-regarding-ab-bankas-snoras LOL. Now that's not good news. Pretty sure the corpse said that they were gonna use the bank they own to fund the new toilet and the light bulbs they needed. Where is the money coming from now? Maybe they need a new ice cream man fake sheik? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh how funny; Rallyboy, I'll pay your fiver, you might just need more than 3 posts a day :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 I've come to the conclusion that pfc123 is a nothing more than a 'poor man's Ho.' His wind-ups just aren't of the same level. Just a simple selection of distorted facts not worthy of debate. Ho, on the other hand is truly a master of the art. His meticulously researched, verbosely worded mazes of half-truth and disregard for the evidence are beautiful in their own way. His enduring ability to pick-pick-pick away at some tiny error whilst ignoring the elephant in the room, his constant desire to set himself up to be proven wrong a dozen times a day, his sheer stamina to produce so much meaningless waffle that I actually, after reading every word of nearly nine-hundred pages of this thread, have started skipping whole sections is truly on a whole higher plane of trolling. It is a fine line between genius and hat-stand barking obsessive bonkersness. Well said that man. Couldn't have put it better myself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 Apologies if already mentioned: Lithuanian Bank Snoras in admin, majority shareholder Vladimir Antonov. http://www.zolfocooper.com/publications/europe-media-statement-regarding-ab-bankas-snoras LOL. Beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 Apologies if already mentioned: Lithuanian Bank Snoras in admin, majority shareholder Vladimir Antonov. http://www.zolfocooper.com/publications/europe-media-statement-regarding-ab-bankas-snoras LOL. Hardly surprising. I've said all along, that toilet will be the death of them. Largesse on that scale simply can't be justified in today's economic reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 My apologies gang. Things are really busy down here at the moment, lawyers, contracts and compliance so I dropped the ball the past couple of days. Anyway, pencils sharpened, "hacking software" rolled out on suitably baited hooks. Let's see what it reels in while I'm offline at SMS over the weekend. COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 It is actually worse than the article at the top of the page suggests... http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/16/lithuania-snoras-takeover-idUSS3E7KT00320111116 The central bank said it had found irregularities. "The decision was taken due to a risk of insolvency and possible criminal activity," said central bank governor Vitas Vasiliauskas. "During an inspection we have found that a significant amount of securities held at foreign institutions were missing. When we asked those foreign insitutions about the securities, they replied that they did not exist," he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 Some more links. http://verslas.delfi.lt/business/valstybe-nacionalizavo-snora.d?id=51825919 (Once translated from Lithuanian) this confirms that the bank has been nationalised because its assets appear to have been overvalued, and includes the following: "It aims to examine the Bank of Lithuania to the information about possible criminal offenses" http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/16/lithuania-snoras-problems-idUSS3E7KT00220111116 Apparently the bank is insolvent - its debts exceed its assets. Overvalued assets? Trading insolvently? Possible criminal offences? Sounds familiar, but I can't quite put my finger on it... Over on the skate forum they seem to think it'll be like the UK bank bail out, and the bankers (Antonov) will be ok. Nope. This is a nationalisation and Antonov's stake (as a shareholder) is now worthless. How much has he lost (on paper)? Based on the info below at the following link... http://www.snorasgroup.com/index.php/investor-relations/information-on-shares/106 ... about £125m (as at Oct 2010). There goes the new stadium! Will there be an impact on the skates? Maybe. Clearly Antonov is not worth as much as he thought. Not to mention accusations of criminal acts. And what are the chances his other bank is heavily exposed to Snoras? Where things would really get interesting is if there are any ties between Snoras and CSI. Do we actually know who owns CSI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 Hm Pompey appoint 'the cheap option' as their new manager, then the bank Antonov owns goes into admin a short while later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 Saint Si - rather than quote the very interesting information above - here's a question you, and / or maybe others, might be able to answer. Can the FL revisit the FAPP test? If so could CSI be politely told they can't own the club after all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 ... and how the f*ck are a club averaging 13k gates going to ever be able to finance even a flat pack stadium at £100 million, let alone the Harbourdrome Arena at £500-700 million? You managed it! We're only 1500 off your last 'Skip' average attendance and you were in the top flight then! Pot & kettle yet again........ We spent £30m odd on a stadium and ultimately couldn't even pay for that. Can't see anyone lending Portsmouth £100 at the moment, let alone £100m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 We spent £30m odd on a stadium and ultimately couldn't even pay for that. Can't see anyone lending Portsmouth £100 at the moment, let alone £100m. Bearsy, I am not sure you / we will hear from pfc123 or corp for a couple of weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 It is actually worse than the article at the top of the page suggests... http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/16/lithuania-snoras-takeover-idUSS3E7KT00320111116 The central bank said it had found irregularities. "The decision was taken due to a risk of insolvency and possible criminal activity," said central bank governor Vitas Vasiliauskas. "During an inspection we have found that a significant amount of securities held at foreign institutions were missing. When we asked those foreign insitutions about the securities, they replied that they did not exist," he said. Another mirage in the skate wastelands? You really couldn't make this up! Just wondering what the ho makes of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysstuff Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 And to think, sourmash thought we ought to close the thread on Monday. Just when you think it's all gone quiet, another gem pops up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 They truly are the gift that keeps on giving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 Saint Si - rather than quote the very interesting information above - here's a question you, and / or maybe others, might be able to answer. Can the FL revisit the FAPP test? If so could CSI be politely told they can't own the club after all? while doing a search on Google for the FAPP test this photo popped up own up, who photo-shopped the banner at the back ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 I would appreciate it if someone explain the consequences and linkage between the bank and the skates. Ta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 I would appreciate it if someone explain the consequences and linkage between the bank and the skates. Ta There new owner....owns the bank (Or did :) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 There new owner....owns the bank (Or did :) ) I get that but how does that impact the skate b@stards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 thanks for the offer Gemmell but as Ho will tell you, I waste far too much of my life on this thread without having 24/7 access! Well that is a bombshell today, and the FSA will be chuckling to themselves after pointing out all these issues a while back. And for View from the Top, I think the general feeling is that one of pompey's fit and proper owners has just been shown up to be worth very little, it appears that he has been linked to criminal activity, and one of his businesses is facing accusations of fraud. Apart from that he's doing okay. On the surface this looks like quite a significant blow to CSI's street cred, I look forward to some spin telling us otherwise. Meanwhile pompey have had to cough up something to Spurs over Begovic today - their reluctant but unavoidable delayed payment is being promoted as a positive move by the new owners to renew their relationship with Spurs - sadly I think any dealing with Redknapp could be seen as unwise at the moment. How long before Appleton asks what on earth is going on? Cotterill must ring him and just laugh down the phone most days. Plenty more laughs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 16 November, 2011 Share Posted 16 November, 2011 I get that but how does that impact the skate b@stards? Because it was worth 125 million to him and now is not. IF there have been criminal acts committed then that could also be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Ah, the old 'Thousands were locked out of every home game' myth. Even if true, clubs building new grounds gain thousands of extra bums on seats due to better facilities and a general feel-good factor that a new ground generates.... A complete whooossh moment, or given the benefit of the doubt a complete tangent - has absolutely nothing to do with the point that you missed, and is not a point that I would have raised - because it is not true. I really can't be arsed to put you back on track - I just don't have the time or inclination anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 There I was, thinking Stevie-boy was a complete and utter moron. But now I have to give him credit, his timing of leaving the sinking ship was quite impeccable. Idiot savant maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 It is actually worse than the article at the top of the page suggests... http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/16/lithuania-snoras-takeover-idUSS3E7KT00320111116 The central bank said it had found irregularities. "The decision was taken due to a risk of insolvency and possible criminal activity," said central bank governor Vitas Vasiliauskas. "During an inspection we have found that a significant amount of securities held at foreign institutions were missing. When we asked those foreign insitutions about the securities, they replied that they did not exist," he said. shhh a minute, is that the sound of reindeer and a fat man in a red coat repeatedly muttering the name of our troll. Christmas must be arriving early! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 And developments like this explain why this thread exists... why it's become legendary... and why even Pompey fans follow it to keep track of their own club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 SFC Average league attendance 1994-2001: 2001 15.115 2000 15.132 1999 15.133 1998 15.159 1997 15.105 1996 14.822 1995 14.689 1994 14.764 You managed it! We're only 1500 off your last 'Skip' average attendance and you were in the top flight then! Pot & kettle yet again........ Or capacity or close to it every game...you really are not very bright are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Another link http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-11-17/lithuania-seeks-missing-assets-in-takeover-of-snoras-bank.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevvy Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/532664120?-11209 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevvy Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Sorry for got to add i hit wrong key, some off the few think that Spurs were paying them money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 An interesting quote from the pedg link The U.K.’s Financial Services Authority denied Snoras permission to operate in Britain because the bank’s executives withheld information, calling the tactic “an ongoing pattern of behavior by institutions controlled by Mr. Antonov” in a February 2009 statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 without a doubt, modern and new facilities will put extra bums on seats. To keep them there you need success and a decent team.As per Coventry the bright new stadia is still pretty empty and so paying for it becomes a burden. Pompey missed the boat when they were in the PL when they should have targeted the new ground ahead of 100k pw centre forwards. Ok the fans did get a tremendous time, but as time goes by the memories fade and the JCL's drift away again. As for the bank folding and Anatovs apparent problems how will the FL dress up their new rigorous FPPT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 after reading the business news can there be anyone out there who still thinks that pompey are in safe hands? We've had all the mafia stuff and the money-laundering accusations, sometimes these things are overplayed. But now we even know where the dirty money is going to come from. The professional business credibility of this russian is like the driver's door of his Porsche, shot to bits. I still find it difficult to believe that they have managed to find worse owners at every takeover, but if they win at Watford everything will be rosy in the garden. It's a funny old game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/17/lithuania-snoras-idUSL5E7MH09920111117 The central bank said on Wednesday the bank had reported some foreign securities as assets, which on investigation did not exist. Surely you can't put 'bestest fans' down as an asset? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 It's a funny old game. it most certainly is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 17 November, 2011 Author Share Posted 17 November, 2011 An interesting quote from the pedg link The U.K.’s Financial Services Authority denied Snoras permission to operate in Britain because the bank’s executives withheld information, calling the tactic “an ongoing pattern of behavior by institutions controlled by Mr. Antonov” in a February 2009 statement. Oh dear and here we go again - I almost feel sorry for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shufty Zubrik Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Oh dear and here we go again - I almost feel sorry for them I Don't!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/532664120?-11209 Snoras is 68.1 percent-owned by Vladimir Antonov, a 36- year-old Russian who resides primarily in London and is the controlling shareholder of Portsmouth Football Club, with a 75 percent stake. The central bank acted after Snoras “began moving funds to offshore accounts” this week, Prime Minister Andrius Kubilius said in a radio interview with Ziniu Radijas today. Um!!! I wonder if that has happend before, by anyone mentioned on here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carljack Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Oh dear and here we go again - I almost feel sorry for them Fitz in light of the above statement by the FSA highlighting the "ongoing pattern of behavior" of Mr Antonovs "institutions", where does this leave the FA ?,how can they claim not to have known about the FSA,s Red Light on this character.They have now been made to look incompetent.As for feeling sorry for them in this season of goodwill! NO CHANCE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 17 November, 2011 Share Posted 17 November, 2011 Reading the F&PP regs from the FA, it looks like even though his Bank has gone titsup, he can still be a director/owner of a League club as his Bank was overseas. I think. http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/RulesandRegulations/FARegulations/NewsAndFeatures/2009/~/media/Files/PDF/TheFA/Rules_Regs/FAFitProperRegs1011.ashx/FAFitProperRegs1011.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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