rooney Posted 13 November, 2011 Share Posted 13 November, 2011 I do not think 'arry could claim he sold Mandy his French Stamp Collection, as even then there could be a CGT liability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 13 November, 2011 Share Posted 13 November, 2011 Yep I'm retarded. I don't read the Grauniad OK what I meant to say was that it doesn't actually mention his "employer" in the indictment. It mentions the owner. My (college level) of law is pretty slim but I know it's pedantics make MLG seem off the cuff, so if they (Club) weren't named as doing it for the purpose of avoiding EMPLOYERS NI then they are highly unlikely to be "tried for it" at this hearing. Employee NI avoidance is onw thing but the club look to have a ready made get out clause. THEY didn't pay the money Just my IMHO that's all Phil. Please take the time to read the original post I have quoted from, even if you don't read the Guardian article that the quote is from. Frankly, you've dug yourself a hole and should probably stop digging now! As for not mentioning his 'employer' you are indeed 100% correct. However it does mention his 'employment' which would infer that he also has an 'employer' which ergo would be Mandaric, who was the owner of PFC. Pretty sure even the Corpse wouldn't have this much difficulty understanding the charges ****flaps and mandick to stand trial in January http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/nov/12/tottenham-harry-redknapp-tax-trial "Redknapp denies any wrongdoing but would have good reason for his mind to be on other matters when Tottenham Hotspur take on the current Premier League leaders, Manchester City, at the Etihad Stadium the day before the proceedings begin. The timing of the trial may interfere with his club's preparations for the Premier League matches against Wigan Athletic and Liverpool, and, should Spurs qualify, the fourth round of the FA Cup on 28 January. Redknapp and Mandaric, the owner of Sheffield Wednesday, both face two counts of cheating the public revenue. Their alleged offences relate to tax payments due while the pair were respectively manager and chairman of Portsmouth. The indictment laid down by prosecutors states: "Mandaric and Redknapp, between 1 April 2002 and 28 November 2007, with intent to defraud and to the prejudice of HM Revenue and Customs, arranged for $145,000, paid by Mandaric as a result of or in connection with Redknapp's employment and as a reward for services, to be transferred to a Monaco bank account opened by Redknapp for that purpose, in order to conceal the said emolument from HM Revenue and Customs and evade the payment of income tax and national insurance contributions thereon (whether by the operation of PAYE by the club or otherwise)." As for count two, the indictment states: "Mandaric and Redknapp between 1 May 2004 and 28 November 2007, with intent to defraud and to the prejudice of HM Revenue and Customs, arranged for $150,000, paid by Mandaric as a result of or in connection with Redknapp's employment and as a reward for services, to be transferred to a Monaco bank account opened by Redknapp for that purpose, in order to conceal the said employment income from HM Revenue and Customs and evade the payment of income tax and national insurance contributions thereon (whether by the operation of PAYE by the club or otherwise)." The pair will fight the charges in a trial scheduled to last two weeks." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 13 November, 2011 Share Posted 13 November, 2011 A post by Vectis saint................... So these payments were made over a period of time including while Saggy Chops was "in charge" at Saints. I would hope for Milan & 'arry's sake that none of the payments were actually between November 2004 and December 2005 otherwise there may be more than tax evasion to explain. Oh I wish this were true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 13 November, 2011 Share Posted 13 November, 2011 There's theory and then there is Corporate Branding, hence why I can see the PL simply saying phew Club not named... sweep it under the carpet with everything else. (Although one day the carpet will have so much under it the edges won't touch the floor!) The H.S.E. are already aware that 'slips and trips' is the number one cause of concern at the various football HQs. Their root cause analysis has already identified 'uneven carpeting'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holepuncture Posted 13 November, 2011 Share Posted 13 November, 2011 Great news about saggy and the Serbian mobster, looks like the FBI did HMRC a favour by tipping them off about mandys 'business' over there. A big step towards justice... Saggy has years and years of this kind of corruption but it seems he's gonna be caught out on a couple of specific bungs. It would be great if they could finally nail some irregular betting patterns on him, in particular his exit from saints back to the skates and Milan - wasn't it £16m traded? I wonder how Volermort getting along in his new role, has he found the toilet? A good display of Viking Saints at Woking beer ex yesterday, they were well recieved by the masses and the lack of blue was there for all to see. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2060821/After-Walcott-Bale-Oxlade-Chamberlain-Southampton-aiming-create-new-golden-generation-England.html Exciting article in the daily heil, does the Russian mafia have 21 years and a £3m P.A investment for the 'academy' they keep saying they will build set aside in the budget? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigShadow Posted 13 November, 2011 Share Posted 13 November, 2011 ...in connection withRedknapp's employment and as a reward for services, to be transferred to a Monaco bank account opened by Redknapp for that purpose, in order to conceal the said employment income from HM Revenue and Customs and evade the payment of income tax and national insurance contributions thereon (whether by the operation of PAYE by the club or otherwise)." Seems to be a couple links to Pompey to me. Grasping at straws maybe, and I don't expect anything to come of it, but I don't see how anyone can say these charges are not relevant to Pompey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 13 November, 2011 Share Posted 13 November, 2011 Seems to be a couple links to Pompey to me. Grasping at straws maybe, and I don't expect anything to come of it, but I don't see how anyone can say these charges are not relevant to Pompey. Quite right ... Dirty 'Arry was employed by his Balkan buddy to manage the playing affairs of PFC (inc negotiating transfers). Surely the defence will have a hard time convincing the court that the alleged payments were for other matters totally non connected with 'Arry's employment at PFC (if they do then their story will be worth hearing!). If convicted and payments deemed PFC related then the FL must surely think seriously about a points deduction. Haven't the FL got some charter of cooperation with the Revenue these days (?) and we know the latter have been gunning for Poopey for some time now. What better time for all concerned to make an example of them as a warning to others .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 13 November, 2011 Share Posted 13 November, 2011 Phil. Please take the time to read the original post I have quoted from, even if you don't read the Guardian article that the quote is from. Frankly, you've dug yourself a hole and should probably stop digging now! As for not mentioning his 'employer' you are indeed 100% correct. However it does mention his 'employment' which would infer that he also has an 'employer' which ergo would be Mandaric, who was the owner of PFC. Pretty sure even the Corpse wouldn't have this much difficulty understanding the charges I'm with you completely. Just my understanding on matters legal (two lawyers in the family) is that it's Pedantry makes MLG look off the cuff PCFC aren't being accused in court of seeking to avoid paying Employers NI, the Indictment doesn't name them. I'm sure the first thing a brief would ask is Why WASN'T this made through PCFC. Maybe some of the evidence used in Defence/Prosecution will show PCFC to have been involved, but last I looked, unless you are actually named in an Indictment YOU cannot be tried in court at that time for that offence. So, I do stand by my position and see entirely where you come from. I can see evidence at Court MAY lead to a need to follow up other possible criminal activity(as does happen) So I stay in the limping along and think that the EPL will keep their mantra - get it under the carpet no more penalties and no more appeals in case they start to open their mouths... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 13 November, 2011 Share Posted 13 November, 2011 Weston Super Saint - 30 Dubai Phil - love :) More to come ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 13 November, 2011 Share Posted 13 November, 2011 Just one minor detail - Skates are in the Football League now, not the Prem. And they take a hard line. An interesting precedent would be set if the FL punished a member for wrong-doing in the Prem, but a player sent off in the Prem would still serve a suspension if he moved to the FL, so, who knows.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 13 November, 2011 Share Posted 13 November, 2011 just returned from muddy Wales Rally GB to discover that Ho thinks I'm an unfunny ****. Quite upset me that....actually, now I think about it....no it didn't! I got over it before he'd finished typing! Did chuckle at the re-writing of West Brom's recent history, very funny that gag about whatever this bloke is called carrying the manager, nice one! Have they sorted that toilet flush yet? I checked the international sport headlines as they are such a massive club, but no mention. I'm surprised that the tax evasion charges against the Fratton two actually appear to be club-related rather than personal and seem to fit the bill of financial irregularities. The russians can now look forward to their company name being dragged through the mud in the New Year, and then they will have a CVA to start, all against the backdrop of a bargain basement manager learning his trade at the expense of their league position. Thankfully Cotterill is such a plonker that he might chuck them some cash for players - money their creditors will look forward to seeing no doubt...I mean, they won't delay the CVA again, that would make the business look fragile. Odd and worrying times for most clubs, but just a normal week for the few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 13 November, 2011 Share Posted 13 November, 2011 Dates for the diary: December: Buy 'Arry a Christmas present. Something useful - "Soap-on-a-Rope" springs to mind. Mid-February: Spring house-hunting. Check out the bargains in Sandbanks. 18th February: Derby at home, should be quite a game. Half-time entertainment provided by JackFrost in one-man naked rugby match against the Stewards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 13 November, 2011 Share Posted 13 November, 2011 and a tip for JackFrost - wear studs. Stewards in their slippery-soled Hush Puppies trying to catch a streaker with the correct footwear for wet grass will be hilarious, you'll look like a naked Martin Offiah in his prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 13 November, 2011 Share Posted 13 November, 2011 just waiting for the day when it all comes unstuck at fratton ,i expect when all the parachute money has gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 13 November, 2011 Share Posted 13 November, 2011 and a tip for JackFrost - wear studs. Stewards in their slippery-soled Hush Puppies trying to catch a streaker with the correct footwear for wet grass will be hilarious, you'll look like a naked Martin Offiah in his prime. Is that the mistake you made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 just waiting for the day when it all comes unstuck at fratton ,i expect when all the parachute money has gone. I think that day will be the climax of this epic thread. Oh how we'll laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 I think that day will be the climax of this epic thread. Oh how we'll laugh. Are you lot still going on about this on the thread. When are they going to be "toast"? I thought they were certs for relegation this year? I'd let this thread die for a bit if I was some of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 you could be right actually - a cheap manager that could go either way, the club implicated in tax evasion, a CVA still unstarted, and parachute payments running out quicker than Avram in a brothel raid - yeah, nothing to talk about - all is well over there. And one day they might even exit administration to the satisfaction of the football league! I guess we should just quietly accept all the daily delusion that those of us on the frontline to the east have to hear, rather than discussing it. If only the few could leave this thread alone it would just fade away but they keep pumping new life into it with crazy arguments. Hopefully they will stop and we can then discuss important stuff like whether Louis should step down from X-Factor or what we think of the dresses on Strictly. So it was fun but the thread is over. Move along, pompey have restructured, are well-financed, the new ground is taking shape and they look really strong for a promotion push - nothing to see here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 you could be right actually - a cheap manager that could go either way, the club implicated in tax evasion, a CVA still unstarted, and parachute payments running out quicker than Avram in a brothel raid - yeah, nothing to talk about - all is well over there. And one day they might even exit administration to the satisfaction of the football league! I guess we should just quietly accept all the daily delusion that those of us on the frontline to the east have to hear, rather than discussing it. If only the few could leave this thread alone it would just fade away but they keep pumping new life into it with crazy arguments. Hopefully they will stop and we can then discuss important stuff like whether Louis should step down from X-Factor or what we think of the dresses on Strictly. So it was fun but the thread is over. Move along, pompey have restructured, are well-financed, the new ground is taking shape and they look really strong for a promotion push - nothing to see here. You were one of the sad cases wetting your pants about them being "toast" nearly a year ago now. As things currently stand they sit comfortably mid-table, with a reasonable first XI. When things significantly change, feel free to start this thread up and gloat, but at the moment I'd just let it die for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 You were one of the sad cases wetting your pants about them being "toast" nearly a year ago now. As things currently stand they sit comfortably mid-table, with a reasonable first XI. When things significantly change, feel free to start this thread up and gloat, but at the moment I'd just let it die for now. Nobody is asking you to read it, or to post on it. But well done, directly and indirectly you have added another 4 posts to the thread today. It's a bit like saying, "Ssssshhh, everbody be quiet, stop talking, I said stop talking, okay, who is still talking? Hmmm? Who is it? WHO IS STILL TALKING????" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 Nobody is asking you to read it, or to post on it. But well done, directly and indirectly you have added another 4 posts to the thread today. It's a bit like saying, "Ssssshhh, everbody be quiet, stop talking, I said stop talking, okay, who is still talking? Hmmm? Who is it? WHO IS STILL TALKING????" This. Very good Minsk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holepuncture Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 And one day they might even exit administration to the satisfaction of the football league! Its quite staggering really, that by the time the skates should begin servicing the CVA, ie; paying a single penny towards the CVA in 2012, it will have been two years since the club became the first PL club in Footballing history to fall into administration! If I ever tell somebody that the skates are yet to pay a penny towards the CVA, people are normally very surprised to hear it and most assume that everything has been sorted, 20p in the £ etc... perhaps we need to start raising this issue some more, 2x sets of owners in charge since AAs CVA was signed off and yet no-one is paying it off, that should raise some eyebrows. They will be exposed again, and we need to do everything in our power to help raise awareness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 Nobody is asking you to read it, or to post on it. But well done, directly and indirectly you have added another 4 posts to the thread today. It's a bit like saying, "Ssssshhh, everbody be quiet, stop talking, I said stop talking, okay, who is still talking? Hmmm? Who is it? WHO IS STILL TALKING????" Obviously no-one is asking me to read it. Doesn't stop me having a look once in a while and seeing how much rubbish is posted on it by so called ITKs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 Obviously no-one is asking me to read it. Doesn't stop me having a look once in a while and seeing how much rubbish is posted on it by so called ITKs. Or posting on it telling people to stop posting on it. Now up to an extra 7 posts today. Personally, I don't post on this thread very much but always like to read it. It's certainly better than reading most of the garbage spouted by the likes of Dune, Turkish and Charlie Wayman elsewhere on this forum......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 Its quite staggering really, that by the time the skates should begin servicing the CVA, ie; paying a single penny towards the CVA in 2012, it will have been two years since the club became the first PL club in Footballing history to fall into administration! If I ever tell somebody that the skates are yet to pay a penny towards the CVA, people are normally very surprised to hear it and most assume that everything has been sorted, 20p in the £ etc... perhaps we need to start raising this issue some more, 2x sets of owners in charge since AAs CVA was signed off and yet no-one is paying it off, that should raise some eyebrows. They will be exposed again, and we need to do everything in our power to help raise awareness. What I don't get is why no journo has picked up and run with this for best part of two years. It would seem an ideal candidate for a tabloid expose. Unless there's a good reason why a journo hasn't been brave enough to delve deeper....can't think why that would be....obviously.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 Or posting on it telling people to stop posting on it. Now up to an extra 7 posts today. Personally, I don't post on this thread very much but always like to read it. It's certainly better than reading most of the garbage spouted by the likes of Dune, Turkish and Charlie Wayman elsewhere on this forum......... ...and it's easy to pick up on the extreme (or hopeful) views and critise. Do we really have any ITKs on the skates? I must have missed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 .Doesn't stop me having a look once in a while and seeing how much rubbish is posted on it by so called ITKs. I don't think you will find any people on here who claim to be ITK and if you have actually read most of this thread, you will see that the vast majority, always maintained that they would survive and be ok. It is unlikely that anything significant will happen in the short term, but in March, they need to right a cheque for 4 million quid, plus whatever the next installment for chinny is and I would guess, that sometime early next year, wewill also see the reports from the insolvency commision and the also the HMRC sponsored forensic examination, plus of course the outcome of the court cases. Plenty of life in this old girl yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 Let's be honest, you go back to this time last year and so much b0ll0cks was posted on here about them going to the wall by posters who liked to portray themselves as finance experts, administration experts, according to many of you they were going to be "toast" as sour mash says, and free-falling into relegation and down the leagues. Doesn't look like they are doing too badly from where i am sitting, they cheated like no team (other than maybe Leeds) had cheated financially before and they have well and truely escaped punishment so far, just dropping back to where they were. Their first XI is very decent championship side and will more than likely give us a good game, maybe beating us at Fratton, nothing to laugh about just yet in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 What I don't get is why no journo has picked up and run with this for best part of two years. It would seem an ideal candidate for a tabloid expose. Unless there's a good reason why a journo hasn't been brave enough to delve deeper....can't think why that would be....obviously.... I think you'll find that quite a few journalists are sitting at their desks, tapping their fingers because they're constrained by all the current investigations. I bet the ordure will hit the air-conditioning eventually.m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony13579 Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 (edited) Its quite staggering really, that by the time the skates should begin servicing the CVA, ie; paying a single penny towards the CVA in 2012, it will have been two years since the club became the first PL club in Footballing history to fall into administration! If I ever tell somebody that the skates are yet to pay a penny towards the CVA, people are normally very surprised to hear it and most assume that everything has been sorted, 20p in the £ etc... perhaps we need to start raising this issue some more, 2x sets of owners in charge since AAs CVA was signed off and yet no-one is paying it off, that should raise some eyebrows. They will be exposed again, and we need to do everything in our power to help raise awareness. the place to do that is: Monday 28th nov out side the high court when they hear the case for the football creditors rule! with boards asking how much debt have PFC paid back, reverse "not a Penny" "The high court failed to stop pompey tradeing whilst insolvent" "Why should football debts be paid before charities and bussinesses" "Taxpayers should own PFC!" "Pay up Pompey" Invite taxpayers alliance Edited 14 November, 2011 by tony13579 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 What I don't get is why no journo has picked up and run with this for best part of two years. It would seem an ideal candidate for a tabloid expose. Unless there's a good reason why a journo hasn't been brave enough to delve deeper....can't think why that would be....obviously.... My biggest question mark for the whole process, is over the court case in August 2010. Given the figures presented, the lying over the debt ( From memory they detailed the debt at 28 million, which subsequently rose to 122 million (Easy mistake to make) ) and the quite obvious insolvent trading, how the judge came to the decision he did. Would it be too far fetched to think that pressure was applied by goverment, PL or FA officials to stop a premier league club being wound up and shut down? One thing that I stand by, is that had it been any other business than a football club, it would have been closed down about a year or so before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 Are you lot still going on about this on the thread. When are they going to be "toast"? I thought they were certs for relegation this year? I'd let this thread die for a bit if I was some of you. Sour Ho? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 Can't see what all the fuss is about. How can they be charged with evading tax when they didn't pay any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 Sour Ho? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 I'm with you completely. Just my understanding on matters legal (two lawyers in the family) is that it's Pedantry makes MLG look off the cuff PCFC aren't being accused in court of seeking to avoid paying Employers NI, the Indictment doesn't name them. I'm sure the first thing a brief would ask is Why WASN'T this made through PCFC. Maybe some of the evidence used in Defence/Prosecution will show PCFC to have been involved, but last I looked, unless you are actually named in an Indictment YOU cannot be tried in court at that time for that offence. So, I do stand by my position and see entirely where you come from. I can see evidence at Court MAY lead to a need to follow up other possible criminal activity(as does happen) So I stay in the limping along and think that the EPL will keep their mantra - get it under the carpet no more penalties and no more appeals in case they start to open their mouths... Phil ... forget the law of the land, the FL (who currently are stuck with Poopey) are a law unto themselves and they say decisions made by the guy running the club are deemed to be the club's responsibility. No excuse to say he did it underhand and didn't tell anyone (just ask Luton). Consequently, if the court case goes the way we all hope it will, then logic suggests the FL will revisit their little spat with Luton (and Swindon years before) and seriously consider if they shouldn't chuck a few penalty points at the phew. I agree with your observation about carpets, as that's how everything has ended up with them so far. However, this case may break the mould whether they like it or not, as the charges are very serious and really couldn't be ignored by the FL if proven. If the Revenue gets a conviction on evading tax on $300k by a club owner to his team manager then it's hard to see how that could not be viewed as an irregularity for FL purposes. One could wonder if there is a carpet big enough to sweep that under, particularly with the attendant media exposure the case will get (suppression orders notwithstanding). Unless, of course, it's one of those flying carpets from down your way Phil, which may in fact prove rather handy for 'Arry and his mate around about the time the Beak reads out his judgement .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 You were one of the sad cases wetting your pants about them being "toast" nearly a year ago now. As things currently stand they sit comfortably mid-table, with a reasonable first XI. When things significantly change, feel free to start this thread up and gloat, but at the moment I'd just let it die for now. Rallyboy is one of the best posters I look forward to reading on the subject of the Skates' situation. His posts are always sensible, measured and entertaining. Just because the Skates somehow managed to wriggle out of becoming toast so far, doesn't mean that there might not come a time in the near future when they might they might implode. This reasonable team is still one that they struggle to afford with the low attendances they have and their latest in a line of dodgey owners don't seem to be pouring money into them to transform them into anything brilliant. They now have an inexperienced manager that nobody had heard of before they appointed him. As others have said, if you're not interested in what is currently written on here, go elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 (edited) Rumours hotting up that Redknapp will leave Spuds. Apparently we can expect to see the odds on it slashed by the end of today. I've just spoken to a former Spurs press officer who I know very well. He says that it's highly likely. The court date will be frowned upon by the club's commercial sponsors and it'll lead to a guilty by association kind of thing. He could go down for it and therefore be advised to resign on health grounds which could lessen the sentence... Edited 14 November, 2011 by Crazy Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 (edited) If the Revenue gets a conviction on evading tax on $300k by a club owner to his team manager then it's hard to see how that could not be viewed as an irregularity for FL purposes. It's clear financial cheating yet again. By offering tax free bungs into offshore accounts they can attract a higher calibre of manager than they would otherwise. gaining an unfair advantage over other clubs who abide by the law. If they are found guilty then surely the courts would have decided it was a company owner paying an employee, not a private matter. It would be interesting to know if any payments were sent whilst Redknapp was Saints manager. Edited 14 November, 2011 by aintforever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 You were one of the sad cases wetting your pants about them being "toast" nearly a year ago now. As things currently stand they sit comfortably mid-table, with a reasonable first XI. When things significantly change, feel free to start this thread up and gloat, but at the moment I'd just let it die for now. But you have overlooked all the fun that we have had in that time - the false starts, the hope, the pure comedy gold - I wouldn't have missed it for the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 It would be interesting to know if any payments were sent whilst Redknapp was Saints manager. Nar your a family club This sort of malarkey would be frowned upon:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 It would be interesting to know if any payments were sent whilst Redknapp was Saints manager. Nar your a family club This sort of malarkey would be frowned upon:rolleyes: What would be very interesting to know is if any of Mandy's brown envelopes reached Agent Arry whilst he was Saints manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 Rumours hotting up that Redknapp will leave Spuds. Apparently we can expect to see the odds on it slashed by the end of today. I've just spoken to a former Spurs press officer who I know very well. He says that it's highly likely. The court date will be frowned upon by the club's commercial sponsors and it'll lead to a guilty by association kind of thing. He could go down for it and therefore be advised to resign on health grounds which could lessen the sentence... Of course, if Harry does leave, it will be dressed up as being on health grounds. You can almost see the quotes now: "My doctors have advised me the problem is worse than I first thought, and they have said the stress of managing could seriously damage my health and I have decided to take their advice to retire." The most convenient heart condition in the history of sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 good point Dronski! I can't believe a fellow Saints fan would attack me for commenting on pompey in a comedic manner. So Sour Ho, as king of the blue few - do show me the post where I said they were 'toast' - that really isn't my style, I tend to offer opinions rather than grand claims - or abuse. In the meantime get yourself a good woman/man, your posts are all feisty and frustrated, you need to chill bro. As for other people who don't like the thread - see if you can work out the best way to avoid it.... There are plenty of threads I avoid, I tend to do it by not clicking on them. Followed by not posting. Or posting again. It's complex I know, but it seems to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 Thank you one and all.... It has been good fun watching all the fun at the fair based at Fratton... Keep up the good work guys.....they will be toast one day or not... who cares let us all continue the laugh at the expense of the Pompey boyzz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 Nar your a family club This sort of malarkey would be frowned upon:rolleyes: What would be very interesting to know is if any of Mandy's brown envelopes reached Agent Arry whilst he was Saints manager. Now THAT would become a different ball game. Having that in court would really undermine about every rule in the book. But still stick with my FL won't act unless the court proves it was the club that acted illegally not just Mandy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 I think you'll find that quite a few journalists are sitting at their desks, tapping their fingers because they're constrained by all the current investigations. I bet the ordure will hit the air-conditioning eventually.m As we're such an unobservant lot we probably all failed to notice that a particular name was absent from the press reports. I wouldn't want to be a Storyteller, but is this significant, I ask myself?.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 What would be very interesting to know is if any of Mandy's brown envelopes reached Agent Arry whilst he was Saints manager. Now THAT would become a different ball game. Having that in court would really undermine about every rule in the book. But still stick with my FL won't act unless the court proves it was the club that acted illegally not just Mandy it is complex law, but if the payments were made by employees of the club, and an implication can be drawn that the they were for work done at that company, then the company should also be liable for punishment as they cannot claim they took the neccessary steps to prevent tax evasion / bribery / unaccouted for cash transactions. i guess the money did not come from company accounts which might make that hard to prove. it still disgusts me that some of you think it is "funny" and laugh at the skates, they still have a long way to go before i find any of it amusing, thrashing them at Fratton will help, but with the team they have i can't see that happening just yet. they should have been put out of business last year, and yet have been allow to put together a side possibly costing more our team , and almost certainly their first XI will be earning more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 As we're such an unobservant lot we probably all failed to notice that a particular name was absent from the press reports. I wouldn't want to be a Storyteller, but is this significant, I ask myself?.. It has been suggested that he might have turned Queens evidence, or similar phrase, to avoid prosecution himself in a couple of earlier posts. That of course means he might have to move or go into hiding perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carljack Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 It has been suggested that he might have turned Queens evidence, or similar phrase, to avoid prosecution himself in a couple of earlier posts. That of course means he might have to move or go into hiding perhaps? Along with all the Portsmouth Paediatricians! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigShadow Posted 14 November, 2011 Share Posted 14 November, 2011 (edited) ... Edited 14 November, 2011 by BigShadow Can't read properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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