Matthew Le God Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 I think we'll average somwehere between 13 and 16k. Which is less than the number of season tickets at St Mary's, and includes 2k/3k away fans at Fratton Park. So the real number is between 10k and 13k Pompey fans on average for a Championship campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 All this **** waving about who has the best fans based on attendance is rather pointless, as it is hard to come up with a decent set of criteria that both sides would find acceptable. My one word on the subject is this: What would you rather have at the start of the season?: 19,000 for a one off (and cheap) friendly, and ~15,000 full payers for league matches* or, 6,000 for a cheap friendly tournament (where you don't actually see you team play a full 90mins vs another team) and then 25,000 full payers for league matches* * = ignoring concessions, freebies, kids, etc. 1 word = Pompey maths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 Yep, that's a fair way of looking at it. I think we'll average somwehere between 13 and 16k, depending on how well/poorly we're doing. Might be a bit more, might be a bit less... Fair enough. 1st look suggests we would be better supported but the feel good factor would be better for us right now which attracts a few extra numbers. In reality we should be fairly evenly supported but football is a fickle sport so it varys allot. Not many years that its been able to be compared as closley as this season so it adds a little bit more spice to the rivalry in the right way. All things considered of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 Fair enough. 1st look suggests we would be better supported but the feel good factor would be better for us right now which attracts a few extra numbers. In reality we should be fairly evenly supported but football is a fickle sport so it varys allot. Not many years that its been able to be compared as closley as this season so it adds a little bit more spice to the rivalry in the right way. All things considered of course. I think the level of support is about even really, although you're way ahead on actual bums on seats since SMS was up and running. That's why I wish we'd spent the money on a new ground rather than the short term option of players and wages... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 I think the level of support is about even really, although you're way ahead on actual bums on seats since SMS was up and running. Bums on seats (over a reasonable period of time to judge) is really the only way you can gauge levels of support. Claiming to be a "fan" and not going to games is irrelevant really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 I think the level of support is about even really, although you're way ahead on actual bums on seats since SMS was up and running. That's why I wish we'd spent the money on a new ground rather than the short term option of players and wages... Must be a bit of a catch 22 though. Owners spend on players to get the crowds in, once the crowds are in it justifys a bigger stadium. Its been pointed out a few times the numbers have been down at FP and that is even with some of the players you have had. Bubble burst before the stadium project got off the ground. The Dell was small but even when times were tough the support was there and seats were getting filled. We stayed up long enough to warrent the spend on a bigger stadium and only boardroom conflict really put us in trouble. You either need someone to speculate on your support increasing if you get a new stadium or a sustained stint at a higher level without spending big elsewhere. Either scenario is not pretty planning which makes the new owners motives a bit more questionable. They need to get bums on seats to pay the clubs way but they need to do it without spending an arm and a leg on the playing staff. High spending before didnt generate the level of support it warrented so its a tricky ballence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporate Ho Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 Must be a bit of a catch 22 though. Owners spend on players to get the crowds in, once the crowds are in it justifys a bigger stadium. Its been pointed out a few times the numbers have been down at FP and that is even with some of the players you have had. Bubble burst before the stadium project got off the ground. The Dell was small but even when times were tough the support was there and seats were getting filled. We stayed up long enough to warrent the spend on a bigger stadium and only boardroom conflict really put us in trouble. You either need someone to speculate on your support increasing if you get a new stadium or a sustained stint at a higher level without spending big elsewhere. Either scenario is not pretty planning which makes the new owners motives a bit more questionable. They need to get bums on seats to pay the clubs way but they need to do it without spending an arm and a leg on the playing staff. High spending before didnt generate the level of support it warrented so its a tricky ballence. Fratton sold out 96% of it's capacity for the first 6 years we were in the PL and only declined when the **** storm broke. To say fans only went when we were spending big money on players is ****** as the crowds were at virtual capacity before we started buying the likes of Crouch and Defoe. It's constantly been stated on here that we couldn't sell out Fratton in the PL and a link to the site below has been posted many times before to prove you're wrong. I'm sure someone will come up with some new conspiracy theory why the facts on a impartial website are wrong and you're right but here they are again. http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/england.htm Crowds have gone up substantially at virtually every club where a new stadium has been built. To suggest Pompey's crowds wouldn't follow that pattern is just plain silly. Until we get a new stadium allowing us to offer better alternatives on ticketing it's a pointless argument, as has been proved for the years you've constantly argued it on here and this new lot of posts will make no difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southbourne saint Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 Anybody know when the court case is starting and how long it's expected to last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 (edited) Crowds have gone up substantially at virtually every club where a new stadium has been built. To suggest Pompey's crowds wouldn't follow that pattern is just plain silly. Name some teams that weren't close to averaging capacity before moving (like Pompey at the moment in a 20k stadium), that then had a big increase when they moved stadium? As a Premier League team, of course Pompey would need a new stadium, circa 26k - 28k (possibly 30k max) and improved corporate facilities to generate revenue. But as a Championship or League One side, a new stadium won't get Pompey's average over 20k, no matter how new and sparkling it is. Little in their attendances suggest otherwise. Edited 25 July, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 Fratton sold out 96% of it's capacity for the first 6 years we were in the PL and only declined when the **** storm broke. To say fans only went when we were spending big money on players is ****** as the crowds were at virtual capacity before we started buying the likes of Crouch and Defoe. It's constantly been stated on here that we couldn't sell out Fratton in the PL and a link to the site below has been posted many times before to prove you're wrong. I'm sure someone will come up with some new conspiracy theory why the facts on a impartial website are wrong and you're right but here they are again. http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/england.htm Crowds have gone up substantially at virtually every club where a new stadium has been built. To suggest Pompey's crowds wouldn't follow that pattern is just plain silly. Until we get a new stadium allowing us to offer better alternatives on ticketing it's a pointless argument, as has been proved for the years you've constantly argued it on here and this new lot of posts will make no difference Bye then - your view is as insignificant as the other tw*t's but mostly more ludicrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 Fratton sold out 96% of it's capacity for the first 6 years we were in the PL and only declined when the **** storm broke. To say fans only went when we were spending big money on players is ****** as the crowds were at virtual capacity before we started buying the likes of Crouch and Defoe. It's constantly been stated on here that we couldn't sell out Fratton in the PL and a link to the site below has been posted many times before to prove you're wrong. I'm sure someone will come up with some new conspiracy theory why the facts on a impartial website are wrong and you're right but here they are again. http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/england.htm Crowds have gone up substantially at virtually every club where a new stadium has been built. To suggest Pompey's crowds wouldn't follow that pattern is just plain silly. Until we get a new stadium allowing us to offer better alternatives on ticketing it's a pointless argument, as has been proved for the years you've constantly argued it on here and this new lot of posts will make no difference What I was saying is that a relativly short time with bumper crowds is not enough for any owners to invest in a new stadium. Milan spent to get you up through the leagues and crowds increased. (as you would expect) 6 years in the prem with cash being splashed on some fairly high profile players wasnt enough to keep you in the prem or keep the crowds. IMO you needed to spend less on the playing staff but retain a fullish stadium for a few more years than that before any owner would seriously contemplate funding a new stadium. How many clubs have moved stadium and dropped a division soon after? I think we broke that routine in the short term but went down for other reasons in the end. So spunking a wad load of cash on a stadium needs to be done knowing the extra numbers are going to turn up to fund it even if times get tough. 6 years is obviously not enough to make it happen. So who is going to risk funding the team to push back for the prem and also fund say upwards of £50m on a stadium project when the long term history suggests regular support is under 20k? I agree that you would be in a better position if you had a ground that attracted the fans and gave ground to pfc on the 10k cause of the shiney new ground n all that. All I am saying is that its a catch 22 cause I doubt there are many money men ready to gamble that much on your club. I still question the game plan of the russians as rivals or not, your club doesnt seem like a very good investment so how do they plan to prove it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holepuncture Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 we've never had to start a campaign like you have on here to try to get more people to go away. You are clearly content with your regular premier league attendences of 50-200 fans, as evidenced in the images over the last page or two. Small time club. FP was worn out three decades ago, but has been kept going through several liberal applications of sticking plaster over the last 20 years. Because I'm too tall I can't get into the seats in the South and North stands because there's no legroom- those stands were built when people were literally six inches shorter, i.e. 100 years ago. HAHAHAHAHAHA, fantastic. Nice of you to acknowledge the urine stench 'arena' of yours as being worn out! Did anyone ever find out if your arena is failing on health and safety issues in every part of the ground? FP really is falling down. They're not idiots, Yes you (lot) most certainly are... Your leader and fans figure head is TCWTB (in the eyes of other fans and the media up and down the country, how embarrassing... losers! We've only had one season in similarly crap grounds in the same divison, 87-88. What are the figures for that year? carefull with them straws your clutching in those webbed hands you filthy skate bastard. In fact, here's our league averages for 87-88: SFC: 14,594 PFC: 15,923 Weve moved on skate, thats ****ing chicken feed to us these days... whereas those figures are aspirational to you. Yep, that's a fair way of looking at it. I think we'll average somwehere between 13 and 16k, depending on how well/poorly we're doing. Might be a bit more, might be a bit less... FUNNY Because FP is a dump that a lot of people won't spend their hard earned to go and sit in. You must be very proud! I think the level of support is about even really, although you're way ahead on actual bums on seats since SMS was up and running. How ridiculous is this statement? You are just a noddy club, thats all, and we are ashamed to have you in our county... as are the people of Gosport. That's why I wish we'd spent the money on a new ground rather than the short term option of players and wages... No you didnt, you lapped it up with TCWTB... you all did! This has amused me very much. cheers you ditry, degenerate skate ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporate Ho Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 Anybody know when the court case is starting and how long it's expected to last. Pushed back to December as the judge was taken ill 9 days into a 10 day hearing. It's a CONSPIRACY HTH Name some teams that weren't close to averaging capacity before moving (like Pompey at the moment in a 20k stadium), that then had a big increase when they moved stadium? Derby, Leicester, Boro, Stoke, Reading, Sunderland, Newcastle (when they expanded) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 This talk of 'only a fair comparison when Pompey get a new stadium' is a complete waste of time. Pompey won't get a new stadium for years - perhaps even decades. They couldn't finance one when there were in the Premiership even though that was their best run since most Pompeys fans were born. Unless, Corp, you can update us to the contrary? Any pics of Antonov in a hard hat driving a JCB? any fanciful new designs from Herzog and thingy? any rediculous concept stadiums in the middle of Portsmouth harbour? Perhaps a "Pompey Village II" although in these leaner economic times "Pompey Hamlet" might be more appropriate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMPR Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 Well technically you never paid for your stadium in full either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 Well technically you never paid for your stadium in full either... But we got one, with creditors paid. Take the moral high ground when cancer charities have been paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMPR Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 99% sure the Tom Prince foundation has been paid monies owed, however not sure about others. Outside of the fans control when a **** owns you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 Take the moral high ground when cancer charities have been paid. Should have put "Take the moral high ground when cancer charities that you stole from have been paid back" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 the theft from the cancer charity and local businesses was outside of the fans control. Just a pity that most of the few stood alongside the bloke who was doing it and cheered when those crimes brought success. Really difficult to arrogantly celebrate victories bought by these crooks, and then attempt to distance yourself from the crimes that funded it. Good luck with that intricate move. We won the cup and beat the scummers, but we hate the man who funded it because he was a crook..... Ethics isn't a county where people drive souped up Fiestas and the girls are all hairdressers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 But we got one, with creditors paid.. Hmmm, don't think so actually- £16m of defaulted mortgage arrears that thousands of aviva policy holders had to pay for in lower endowment payouts is hardly "creditors paid" is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 (edited) Derby, Leicester, Boro, Stoke, Reading, Sunderland, Newcastle (when they expanded) Nope, complete rubbish, which if you had looked beforehand you would have seen... Derby County Baseball Ground Capacity at Closure = 18,300 Average in season before moving = 17,889 Leicester City Filbert Street Capacity at Closure = 22,000 Average in season before moving = 19,835 (were relegated that year, over 20k averages before that) Stoke City Victoria Ground capacity at Closure = 25,000 Average in season before moving = 12,748 Stoke saw no significant increase for 11 years after moving to a new stadium - when they reached the Premier League. Reading Elm Park capacity at Closure = 15,500 Average in season before move = 9,676 Reading saw no significant increase in attendance until they reached the upper Championship/Premier League 5 years after moving. Sunderland Roker Park capacity at Closure = 22,500 Average in season before moving = 20,847 Newcastle United St Jame's Park capacity before 1998 to 2000 expansion expansion project = 36,610 Average in season before expansion = 36,333 All goes to show, if you want to fill a larger stadium, you need to be close to filling the current smaller one! Something Pompey don't do! Yet their fans still peddle the myth that a new stadium will attract more fans than the fanbase at the old stadium showed evidence for. Edited 25 July, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 Hmmm, don't think so actually- £16m of defaulted mortgage arrears that thousands of aviva policy holders had to pay for in lower endowment payouts is hardly "creditors paid" is it? Capital repaid in full. End of. Same as if I paid my mortgage off now. Now, how many charities and small businesses are still unpaid by your club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 (edited) Hmmm, don't think so actually- £16m of defaulted mortgage arrears that thousands of aviva policy holders had to pay for in lower endowment payouts is hardly "creditors paid" is it? This is hardly a relevant comparison - when I took out an endowment policy I was warned that the end dividend may not be enough to pay the equity in my property. I.E. the investment could go up or down. I also have voting rights to vote on officers and policies if I don't like them Who warned the charities, the hospitals, the 'Terry the builders', the local schools whose playing fields were used but not paid for, your own f*cking staff .... the list goes on & on? Edited 25 July, 2011 by dronskisaint dodgy typing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 Nope, complete rubbish, which if you had looked beforehand you would have seen... Derby County Baseball Ground Capacity at Closure = 18,300 Average in season before moving = 17,889 Leicester City Filbert Street Capacity at Closure = 22,000 Average in season before moving = 19,835 (were relegated that year, over 20k averages before that) Stoke City Victoria Ground capacity at Closure = 25,000 Average in season before moving = 12,748 Stoke saw no significant increase for 11 years after moving to a new stadium - when they reached the Premier League. Reading Elm Park capacity at Closure = 15,500 Average in season before move = 9,676 Reading saw no significant increase in attendance until they reached the upper Championship/Premier League 5 years after moving. Sunderland Roker Park capacity at Closure = 22,500 Average in season before moving = 20,847 Newcastle United St Jame's Park capacity before 1998 to 2000 expansion expansion project = 36,610 Average in season before expansion = 36,333 Owned again...why does the corpulent 'it' bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 99% sure the Tom Prince foundation has been paid monies owed, however not sure about others. Outside of the fans control when a **** owns you Just about everything a football club does is outside of fans control, doesn't stop you (anyone) associating yourself with the club and their actions. You can't celebrate victories and then say "well, it wasn't me who lost the game" when they lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 Capital repaid in full. End of. Same as if I paid my mortgage off now. Now, how many charities and small businesses are still unpaid by your club? No, aviva lost £16m when you went into admin, so the capital was NOT paid off. Also, the small creditors pfc still owe are being paid- it's being sorted by the club now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonsays Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 No, aviva lost £16m when you went into admin, so the capital was NOT paid off. Also, the small creditors pfc still owe are being paid- it's being sorted by the club now... Care to post a link to this info you have or is it just more skate bull****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Depressed of Shirley Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 No, aviva lost £16m when you went into admin, so the capital was NOT paid off. Also, the small creditors pfc still owe are being paid- it's being sorted by the club now... As I keep pointing out, if Aviva have a problem, it should be with Barclays. We were never behind on mortgage payments, but after admin, the administrator had to get the best deal for the creditors. He managed to get £14m, and Aviva were forced to accept what they got. Barclays bank lost Aviva the money they were owed, because they forced the company into admin. As I understand from the Poopey admin, there has not yet been any money paid to anyone, because the only person to receive any cash has been your former owner, and of course those hard up football clubs like Spurs, Chelsea and others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 No, aviva lost £16m when you went into admin, so the capital was NOT paid off. Also, the small creditors pfc still owe are being paid- it's being sorted by the club now... Listen you gutless f**k, it was paid off. Accept it and move on. Thankfully I have a wee bit more access to the details than yourself. You are one skate that I really do hope gets trapped in a burning car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 Listen you gutless f**k, it was paid off. Accept it and move on. Thankfully I have a wee bit more access to the details than yourself. You are one skate that I really do hope gets trapped in a burning car. so thats it! Debate over abuse starts, Babyish childish and very immature, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 Listen you gutless f**k, it was paid off. Accept it and move on. Thankfully I have a wee bit more access to the details than yourself. You are one skate that I really do hope gets trapped in a burning car. No, you are wrong once again- it was NOT paid off. Aviva had to write off £16m. It's a fact that has been posted on here numerous times by your own people! By the way, I love the usual classy end to your post..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 so thats it! Debate over abuse starts, Babyish childish and very immature, It's hard not to resort to abuse when you muppets refuse to accept the obvious. You as a Prem club get to an FA Cup Final vs Chelsea and the tickets end up on general sale despite people being allowed 2 each, we shift 50,000 for a JPT Final as a 3rd tier club against Carlisle without tickets even reaching general sale. It's not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 (edited) Harbour cancer support,here in Gosport,are still owed monies by PFC. Portsmouth FC disgust me,in every way possible. And defending them is tantamount to condoning their actions. Edited 25 July, 2011 by saint lard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 It's hard not to resort to abuse when you muppets refuse to accept the obvious. You as a Prem club get to an FA Cup Final vs Chelsea and the tickets end up on general sale despite people being allowed 2 each, we shift 50,000 for a JPT Final as a 3rd tier club against Carlisle without tickets even reaching general sale. It's not even close. Oh right, so now it's THE WAY we sell out that's the problem, LOL! Whether they were on general sale or not, THEY - WERE - ALL - SOLD...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 Oh right, so now it's THE WAY we sell out that's the problem, LOL! Whether they were on general sale or not, THEY - WERE - ALL - SOLD...... But MAINLY - TO - CHELSEA - FANS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 We've always had good away support until the last couple of Premiership years when we were on a downward spiral and people were getting ****ed off with the cost. Put it this way, we've never had to start a campaign like you have on here to try to get more people to go away. With regard to the grounds, it's not the size, it's the infrastructure. Fair play to you, you picked up about an extra 10k because a lot of people were attracted to a new ground as it's a mark of a club that's modern and ambitious- it's more comfortable. FP was worn out three decades ago, but has been kept going through several liberal applications of sticking plaster over the last 20 years. Because I'm too tall I can't get into the seats in the South and North stands because there's no legroom- those stands were built when people were literally six inches shorter, i.e. 100 years ago. I watch from the Fratton end as a result- I don't like it, but it's the only way I can comfortably view the game. Bottom line here is that I've made a compromise I shouldn't have to make- and a lot of people simply weigh up the cost of a ticket and the **** poor seat they're going to get for their money and they pass. They're not idiots, they want value for money and you can't blame them. We've only had one season in similarly crap grounds in the same divison, 87-88. What are the figures for that year? That's why I maintain that we won't settle this (if ever) until we're in a similarly modern ground and in the same division as you and in the same phase of the up/down cycle. Would most of you agree that at least that last idea makes sense? Ah ha, I think I can see the huge gaping hole in your argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 Plus the copius amount of tickets given away to HMS Collingwood and HMS Sultan on a regular basis. Let's not forget that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 But MAINLY - TO - CHELSEA - FANS Ah ha, I think I can see the huge gaping hole in your argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 on the attendances, its hard to imagine that in our last season in the championship that anybody much was there because of the shiny newish stadium. Yet our average was well above poopeys for last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonsays Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 No, you are wrong once again- it was NOT paid off. Aviva had to write off £16m. It's a fact that has been posted on here numerous times by your own people! By the way, I love the usual classy end to your post..... As requested, where is the external link to Aviva's loss, you do have one I take it as you are so sure to know all the facts of our administration. Question for you, are you: 1 A teacher or 2 Still at school as you seem to spend a lot of your time on here during the school holidays and by a lot of time I mean the best part of the day and the evening as todays shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 As requested, where is the external link to Aviva's loss, you do have one I take it as you are so sure to know all the facts of our administration. Question for you, are you: 1 A teacher or 2 Still at school as you seem to spend a lot of your time on here during the school holidays and by a lot of time I mean the best part of the day and the evening as todays shows. Can't be arsed to find it TBH, but it is a genuine figure. DubaiPhil has confirmed it before. Answers to questions: 1. Nope 2. Damn, been rumbled. Still, plenty of material on here for my 'What I did in the summer holidays essay'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 Can't be arsed to find it TBH, but it is a genuine figure. DubaiPhil has confirmed it before. Answers to questions: 1. Nope 2. Damn, been rumbled. Still, plenty of material on here for my 'What I did in the summer holidays essay'... If Aviva have a grumble it's with Barclays, not Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 If Aviva have a grumble it's with Barclays, not Saints. It is a well known fact that Marcus Lieberr paid about 13mil to buy the assetts(including Southampton F.C) of Southampton Leisure out of admin. Not sure of the exact figure owed by Southampton leisure when it went into admin, but it must have been well over 20 million. Both Aviva and Barclays would have received a percentage of the monies owed them but both would have made a substantial loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 (edited) It is a well known fact that Marcus Lieberr paid about 13mil to buy the assetts(including Southampton F.C) of Southampton Leisure out of admin. Not sure of the exact figure owed by Southampton leisure when it went into admin, but it must have been well over 20 million. Both Aviva and Barclays would have received a percentage of the monies owed them but both would have made a substantial loss. So that's about, say, 50-65p in the pound immediately. Perhaps they would even have sold to Markus if he'd offered 4p in the pound for five years. In a way, the administrator did a similar deal to our Walcott settlement. £13m now, instead of spread out at £1-2m a year for the next 20 years. Cash up front - Aviva didn't come away much out of pocket. Edited 25 July, 2011 by Pugwash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 I really don't think it matters who owes what to whom, or the level of the debt for that matter. The fact will always remain that we went into administration because we were poorly run, PFC went into administration because they were poorly and negligently run. In a way, we were quite lucky that our debt, albeit only 5k (above agreed overdraft) provided a 'hair trigger' to putting us on the path to admin. We could have done a PFC, ignored it, continued on our merry way to in excess of 100 million pounds worth of debt. As far as I can see there are very few parrallels between our administration and PFC's, very few indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 Oh right, so now it's THE WAY we sell out that's the problem, LOL! Whether they were on general sale or not, THEY - WERE - ALL - SOLD...... Of course the way they sold gives an idea of demand, we had the largest ever allocation for a Wembley final yet if you didn't have purchase history you couldn't buy a ticket. You had less tickets to flog for the most famous cup competition in the world yet any Chelsea supporter could just turn up and get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 26 July, 2011 Share Posted 26 July, 2011 I really don't think it matters who owes what to whom, or the level of the debt for that matter. The fact will always remain that we went into administration because we were poorly run, PFC went into administration because they were poorly and negligently run. In a way, we were quite lucky that our debt, albeit only 5k (above agreed overdraft) provided a 'hair trigger' to putting us on the path to admin. We could have done a PFC, ignored it, continued on our merry way to in excess of 100 million pounds worth of debt. As far as I can see there are very few parrallels between our administration and PFC's, very few indeed. A big difference in all that is despite any debt Pompey built up, support remained for Peter Storrie. We were not even in debt when Lowe lost support from the fan base. The bank in our case could not see the fans supporting the club while Lowe was there and therefor could only see the debt getting bigger so pulled the plug. Harsh IMO but ultimately looking at where we are now things look allot better. Storrie convinced the creditors that the next windfall of money was always just round the corner and as the fans were still behind the team there was always an income to tide them over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 26 July, 2011 Share Posted 26 July, 2011 Plus the copius amount of tickets given away to HMS Collingwood and HMS Sultan on a regular basis. Let's not forget that. ...just as they did in their 'Golden Era' when they got a few big gates, thousands of locally based servicemen allowed in free. And despite their success during that period they NEVER filled fartton, their best ever attendance was still 10,000 short of capacity. In 1987, when the island dwellers were all excited about finally making it back to the top flight and the "sleeping giant" was awake, and they were gonna "show the world what a massive club" they were (you really sucked up Dinenage's bullsh*te) it didn't work out did it? Just more bluster. The capacity of our 2 grounds was flipped back then similarly to what it is today but in their favour and despite their superior capacity and eagerly anticipated season playing the big boys, both the bluefew and us averaged around 17,000...fartton was little more than half full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 26 July, 2011 Share Posted 26 July, 2011 So that's about, say, 50-65p in the pound immediately. Perhaps they would even have sold to Markus if he'd offered 4p in the pound for five years. In a way, the administrator did a similar deal to our Walcott settlement. £13m now, instead of spread out at £1-2m a year for the next 20 years. Cash up front - Aviva didn't come away much out of pocket. Exactly. If you had a £100k mortgage with Aviva, you would pay approximately £200k back over 25 years. If it is paid off in full early you are not cheating them out of half their money. They will merely take your money & loan it out again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 26 July, 2011 Share Posted 26 July, 2011 Can't be arsed to find it TBH, but it is a genuine figure. DubaiPhil has confirmed it before. That's rather lazy considering the impact it would have to prove your point, oh and Dubia_Phil has never been wrong? (sorry Phil). What every the figure paid, did it account for early repayment against the capital? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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