Jimmy_D Posted 23 July, 2011 Share Posted 23 July, 2011 Remember this? Well it is being built finally! Bad news for Pompey fans is that it is not Pompey that are building it, as the designs are being used by Bordeuax! Mabe Pompey fans can go on a pilgrimage to see what might have been... That's actually quite funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 23 July, 2011 Share Posted 23 July, 2011 In any event, which of these 15 players do you think would be in Saints' starting 11 if they were on our books? I'll tell you- nearly all of them. I'd be a bit concerned if I were you.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 Well it is being built finally! Bad news for Pompey fans is that it is not Pompey that are building it, as the designs are being used by Bordeuax! That's quite a shame. I rather liked the old Bordeaux stadium and one of the most entertaining matches I have seen was there against Marseilles back in the early 90s. It had good atmosphere when a decent sized team turned up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 I'll tell you- nearly all of them. I'd be a bit concerned if I were you.... :lol::lol: Who said pfc123 doesn't have a sense of humour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 That's actually quite funny Along with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingbattigger Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 What's the latest on Storrie-teller and Mandaric's court case? I've been out of the loop for a few days. Doesn't appear to be on the list at Southwark for Monday 25th so maybe it finished? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 Don't think any of them would be in the first 11 now. Apart from Rocha and maybe Lawrence. None. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chorlton Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 Think their starting XI is actually pretty strong. Hope some of the comments from Saints fans don't come back to bite us on our collective arses in December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 Think their starting XI is actually pretty strong. Hope some of the comments from Saints fans don't come back to bite us on our collective arses in December. Iagree their starting 11 is good and as a club have got away scot free from real penalties.They will finish higher than us if they add a few more players to that squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 After the 19k + we got for Chelsea, this little gem was posted: Your support is sh*t and you know it. So then, how many turned up for the Markus tribute tournamant yesterday? Three matches against not one but two top quality european teams, not to mention a FREE funfair outside AND a band, all for a mere £16? 6,000 according to Solent. 6k! The phrase 'People in glass houses' springs to mind. Cue lots of excuses such as: didn't like the format, er, my dog died that morning, er, I dropped a toolbox on my foot, er, I'm on holiday, er, er.... Still, nevermind, I expect you'll easily get 30,000 for the West Brom game, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 After the 19k + we got for Chelsea, this little gem was posted: So then, how many turned up for the Markus tribute tournamant yesterday? Three matches against not one but two top quality european teams, not to mention a FREE funfair outside AND a band, all for a mere £16? 6,000 according to Solent. 6k! The phrase 'People in glass houses' springs to mind. Cue lots of excuses such as: didn't like the format, er, my dog died that morning, er, I dropped a toolbox on my foot, er, I'm on holiday, er, er.... Still, nevermind, I expect you'll easily get 30,000 for the West Brom game, yes? Why don't we wait and see who gets what in the respective home league games, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 (edited) 19k + we got for Chelsea. So then, how many turned up for the Markus tribute tournamant yesterday? Three matches against not one but two top quality european teams, not to mention a FREE funfair outside AND a band, all for a mere £16? 6,000 according to Solent. 6k! The phrase 'People in glass houses' springs to mind. Cue lots of excuses such as: didn't like the format, er, my dog died that morning, er, I dropped a toolbox on my foot, er, I'm on holiday, er, er.... Still, nevermind, I expect you'll easily get 30,000 for the West Brom game, yes? I don't think a Pompey fan is in a strong position to comment about that! In fact you are in an extremely poor position. Last season in the Championship Pompey were getting between 12k to 14k home fans. Saints were getting over 20k in League One. Saints will probably have more season ticket holders this season, than Pompey have an average crowd (including away fans at Fratton Park). Pompey at home in the Premier League... Pompey didn't always sell out a 20k stadium. Got 16k for some games in the relegation season. Pompey away in the Premier League... Southampton away in League One Average away following of over 1,700 Saints fans went to watch 3rd tier matches. Southampton at home... It seems you have been sucked in by the media myth about Pompey support! One man with a bell, or renditions of "Play up Pompey" doesn't make a fanbase! They actually have to turn up to games in numbers regularly! Edited 24 July, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 But your friend 'mark' wasn't commenting on league game attendance, we were talking about a friendly. Sorry, 6k is a disgrace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 But your friend 'mark' wasn't commenting on league game attendance, we were talking about a friendly. Sorry, 6k is a disgrace... Quite the opposite actually. He was making the point that getting 19k against Chelsea means f all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 Who gives a f**k? Seriously, who gives a f**k about friendly game crowds apart from odd jobs of all colours? I know loads who are going to Leicester v Real Madrid and does that mean they are Leicester fans? Does it f**k. Just means they are doing it as a treat for their nippers. Considering Saints have sold 100%+ more season tickets than the inbreds (and rising) I'd suggest that that is a far better guide to support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 (edited) But your friend 'mark' wasn't commenting on league game attendance, we were talking about a friendly. Sorry, 6k is a disgrace... How many of the 19k at the Pompey vs Chelsea game were there to watch Pompey? There were around 3k Chelsea fans in the away section and from what I have heard a lot more brought tickets in the home sections. Getting from London (or wherever in England a Chelsea fan lives) to Pompey is a lot easier than from Bilbao or Bremen to Southampton. btw if you insist on looking at friendly attendances, Saints "relatively recently" had over 28,000 for a midweek, winter friendly. In any case, friendly attendances mean very little, it is the bread and butter of the league (and competitive cup games) where you see true fanbase sizes. And Pompey fail on a monumental level in comparison, do you not agree? Will also be interesting to see how many Pompey fans goto the Barnet League Cup game, compared to how many Saints fans goto the Torquay League Cup game in early August... Edited 24 July, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 After the 19k + we got for Chelsea, this little gem was posted: So then, how many turned up for the Markus tribute tournamant yesterday? Three matches against not one but two top quality european teams, not to mention a FREE funfair outside AND a band, all for a mere £16? 6,000 according to Solent. 6k! The phrase 'People in glass houses' springs to mind. Cue lots of excuses such as: didn't like the format, er, my dog died that morning, er, I dropped a toolbox on my foot, er, I'm on holiday, er, er.... Still, nevermind, I expect you'll easily get 30,000 for the West Brom game, yes? How on God's earth have you justified the need to crow about 19,000 (of which a third were Chelsea fans) home crowd for a friendly fixture when we've outsupported you home and away for the past 2-3 seasons? Don't forget... Bolton, Boro, Wigan, Sunderland, Villa away, where your "massive" club took between 150-350 supporters on each trip. Lmfao. You lot will cling at anything; Saints in massive debt, Markus a Nazi etc etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 Southampton at home in League One... That is actually against Derby in the play offs. Anyway, pfc123 - You can say that 6,000 is a disgrace because your massive club manager 19,000 vs Chelsea (even though 10,000 were probably there to watch Chelsea) but let's talk about your season ticket sales: You've managed to sale around 8,000 season tickets in around four months, whereas we've probably managed around 14,000 in just three weeks. Can you argue against that? No. Now lets talk about your attendances last season: You managed to average a **** poor 15,000, I suspect the home average is nearer to 13,000 considering you had Millwall, Forest, Norwich, Reading, Leeds, QPR, Cardiff, Palace, Swansea all taking a big away following to your shed. We managed 22,000 in League One (20,000 the season before with 10 point deduction). Just over 1,000 was the average figure for away fans at St. Mary's last season so we didn't have the benefit of big away crowds like you did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 It's a pointless argument that will never come close to being settled until we're in the same sort of ground as you, in the same division as you, and doing roughly as well/badly as you. Until then there are too many other factors that skew it one way or the other........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 It's a pointless argument that will never come close to being settled until we're in the same sort of ground as you, in the same division as you, and doing roughly as well/badly as you. Until then there are too many other factors that skew it one way or the other........ I won't hold my breath...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 (edited) I won't hold my breath...... At last! a stripe who's not avin a bite,,,,pfc123 tides out put fishin gear away. Lolz. only 6000 Kin-ell good job Marcus wasnee important,,,,Oh! Edited 24 July, 2011 by mack rill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 But your friend 'mark' wasn't commenting on league game attendance, we were talking about a friendly. Sorry, 6k is a disgrace... Like when you won the cup and **** all people turned up to Kanu's game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 But your friend 'mark' wasn't commenting on league game attendance, we were talking about a friendly. Sorry, 6k is a disgrace... Like you would understand the meaning of disgrace?! If you did it would be in the name of your paltry little excuse for a club... Disgrace is stealing from charities Disgrace is cheating the taxpayer out of his hard earned rewards for paying it Disgrace is 'winning' things with players that you couldn't afford and had no intention of paying for Disgrace is continuing to trade insovently which is illegaal in any other walk of life Disgrasce is sending your own supporters in to liquidation over unpaid bills Disgrace is that heap of rusting junk you call a ground Disgrace is havin a third tier neighbour getting bigger crowds than your efforts in the PL or Championship Disgrace is Linvoy Primus's testimonial Disgrace on my part is not being ar*ed to continue further but as you'll never understand anyway it's probably as well. Disgrace is coming on here with cretinous comments...I wouldn't disgrace myself by being seen on a skate board...it's just envy on your part I suppose..the only link that you can have by association to some kind of real supporters. You can console yourself that this is biting on to your bait but if that 's the best you have to look forward to then....oh! Now f*ck off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 (edited) Relax chaps, the Pimpley fans are just enjoying the fact that they outsold us for once (in a friendly against one of the world's biggest teams with a fanbase in P*rtsmouth probably about the same size as that of P*mpey FC). We can compare average attendances for both clubs and see the difference. 2009/10 Saints (L1) - 20,982 P*mpey (Prem) - 18,302 Even last year when P*mpey were in dire straits and desperately needed the support of the Bestest Fans In Teh World TM, we still beat them by a considerable distance despite being in a lower division. 2010/11 Saints (L1) - 22,160 P*mpey (NPC) - 15,707 Given the rate that our attendances are growing, I expect we'll see an average attendance at SMS of around 24-25k this season. Not so sure about what will happen at Nottarf, although i'm predicting we'll beat them by about 10k. Oh, and I didn't go to the memorial cup because I was working on Saturday, a problem which i'm sure many in P*rtsmouth don't have to worry about... Edited 24 July, 2011 by SuperMikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 It's a pointless argument until we're in the same division as you We were two league below you, playing Walsall, Wycombe and Yeovil etc and still had more than you did against many Premier League teams (and large numbers of away fans at Fratton Park). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 Like you would understand the meaning of disgrace?! If you did it would be in the name of your paltry little excuse for a club... Disgrace is stealing from charities Disgrace is cheating the taxpayer out of his hard earned rewards for paying it Disgrace is 'winning' things with players that you couldn't afford and had no intention of paying for Disgrace is continuing to trade insovently which is illegaal in any other walk of life Disgrasce is sending your own supporters in to liquidation over unpaid bills Disgrace is that heap of rusting junk you call a ground Disgrace is havin a third tier neighbour getting bigger crowds than your efforts in the PL or Championship Disgrace is Linvoy Primus's testimonial Disgrace on my part is not being ar*ed to continue further but as you'll never understand anyway it's probably as well. Disgrace is coming on here with cretinous comments...I wouldn't disgrace myself by being seen on a skate board...it's just envy on your part I suppose..the only link that you can have by association to some kind of real supporters. You can console yourself that this is biting on to your bait but if that 's the best you have to look forward to then....oh! Now f*ck off! hope we can be a disgrace again This season ,,,,,and win another few things, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 We were two league below you, playing Walsall, Wycombe and Yeovil etc and still had more than you did against many Premier League teams (and large numbers of away fans at Fratton Park). And when we had a smaller old outdated stadium we still averaged more than them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 hope we can be a disgrace again This season ,,,,,and win another few things, Hopefully someone will roast your rotten corpse of a club, once and for all. Oh, what a shame that'd be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_John Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 What's the latest on Storrie-teller and Mandaric's court case? I've been out of the loop for a few days. Very little info is coming out. The trial for PS & MM started on the 31 May in Court 7 before Judge Testar :- 13/05/2011 Fri, For Mention - Case Started - 09:32 at Court: 7 01/06/2011 Wed, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 10:12 at Court: 7 01/06/2011 Wed, Trial (Part Heard) - Jury Sworn In - 10:54 at Court: 7 01/06/2011 Wed, Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 11:15 - 11:06 at Court: 7 01/06/2011 Wed, Trial (Part Heard) - Prosecution Opening - 11:34 at Court: 7 01/06/2011 Wed, Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 10:00 - 16:19 at Court: 7 02/06/2011 Thu, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 10:08 at Court: 7 02/06/2011 Thu, Trial (Part Heard) - Prosecution Opening - 10:13 at Court: 7 02/06/2011 Thu, Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 14:00 - 12:58 at Court: 7 02/06/2011 Thu, Trial (Part Heard) - Prosecution Opening - 14:10 at Court: 7 02/06/2011 Thu, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 14:45 at Court: 7 02/06/2011 Thu, Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 15:15 - 15:08 at Court: 7 02/06/2011 Thu, Trial (Part Heard) - Prosecution Opening - 15:18 at Court: 7 02/06/2011 Thu, Trial (Part Heard) - Witness evidence concluded - 16:42 at Court: 7 03/06/2011 Fri, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 10:02 at Court: 7 03/06/2011 Fri, Trial (Part Heard) - Witness Number 3 Sworn - 10:25 at Court: 7 03/06/2011 Fri, Trial (Part Heard) - Witness Number 3 Continues - 12:03 at Court: 7 06/06/2011 Mon, Trial (Part Heard) - Witness Number 3 Continues - 12:03 at Court: 7 07/06/2011 Tue, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 11:03 at Court: 7 07/06/2011 Tue, Trial (Part Heard) - Witness Number 6 Sworn - 11:17 at Court: 7 07/06/2011 Tue, Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 14:00 - 12:58 at Court: 7 07/06/2011 Tue, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 14:06 at Court: 7 07/06/2011 Tue, Trial (Part Heard) - Witness Number 4 Continues - 14:19 at Court: 7 08/06/2011 Wed, Trial (Part Heard) - Legal Submissions - 11:35 at Court: 7 08/06/2011 Wed, Trial (Part Heard) - Witness Number 6 Continues - 14:08 at Court: 7 08/06/2011 Wed, Trial (Part Heard) - Legal Submissions - 15:15 at Court: 7 08/06/2011 Wed, Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 10:00 - 16:20 at Court: 7 10/06/2011 Fri, Trial (Part Heard) - Witness evidence concluded - 12:09 at Court: 7 10/06/2011 Fri, Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 10:00 - 12:15 at Court: 7 13/06/2011 Mon, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 10:21 at Court: 7 13/06/2011 Mon, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 11:23 at Court: 7 13/06/2011 Mon, Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 12:00 - 11:41 at Court: 7 13/06/2011 Mon, Trial (Part Heard) - Witness Number 10 Sworn - 12:23 at Court: 7 13/06/2011 Mon, Trial (Part Heard) - Legal Submissions - 13:00 at Court: 7 13/06/2011 Mon, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 14:04 at Court: 7 13/06/2011 Mon, Trial (Part Heard) - Witness Number 10 Continues - 14:32 at Court: 7 14/06/2011 Tue, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 14:12 at Court: 7 15/06/2011 Wed, Trial (Part Heard) - Witness Number 11 Sworn - 11:18 at Court: 7 15/06/2011 Wed, Trial (Part Heard) - Legal Submissions - 12:38 at Court: 7 15/06/2011 Wed, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 12:47 at Court: 7 15/06/2011 Wed, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 14:03 at Court: 7 15/06/2011 Wed, Trial (Part Heard) - Witness Number 12 Continues - 14:04 at Court: 7 17/06/2011 Fri, Trial (Part Heard) - Witness Number 13 Continues - 10:04 at Court: 7 17/06/2011 Fri, Trial (Part Heard) - Legal Submissions - 11:25 at Court: 7 17/06/2011 Fri, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 14:09 at Court: 7 17/06/2011 Fri, Trial (Part Heard) - Legal Submissions - 14:55 at Court: 7 21/06/2011 Tue, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 09:34 at Court: 7 21/06/2011 Tue, Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 11:35 - 11:28 at Court: 7 21/06/2011 Tue, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 11:53 at Court: 7 21/06/2011 Tue, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 14:03 at Court: 7 21/06/2011 Tue, Trial (Part Heard) - Legal Submissions - 14:08 at Court: 7 23/06/2011 Thu, Trial (Part Heard) - Legal Submissions - 16:00 at Court: 7 24/06/2011 Fri, For Hearing - Hearing finished - 09:58 at Court: 3 24/06/2011 Fri, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 10:04 at Court: 7 24/06/2011 Fri, Trial (Part Heard) - Legal Submissions - 14:45 at Court: 7 24/06/2011 Fri, Trial (Part Heard) - Case Closed - 15:14 at Court: 7 27/06/2011 Mon, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 15:25 at Court: 7 27/06/2011 Mon, Trial (Part Heard) - Legal Submissions - 16:11 at Court: 7 27/06/2011 Mon, Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 10:00 - 16:12 at Court: 7 28/06/2011 Tue, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 10:13 at Court: 7 28/06/2011 Tue, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 11:52 at Court: 7 28/06/2011 Tue, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 14:08 at Court: 7 28/06/2011 Tue, Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 15:15 - 14:59 at Court: 7 28/06/2011 Tue, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 15:15 at Court: 7 29/06/2011 Wed, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 10:20 at Court: 7 29/06/2011 Wed, Trial (Part Heard) - Legal Submissions - 11:32 at Court: 7 29/06/2011 Wed, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 11:51 at Court: 7 29/06/2011 Wed, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 14:06 at Court: 7 01/07/2011 Fri, Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 15:27 at Court: 7 01/07/2011 Fri, Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 10:00 - 16:24 at Court: 7 and then suddenly things stopped. Last Friday at 3:00 in a DIFFERENT court (No 2) and a DIFFERENT Judge (Justice Leonard) there were records FOR MENTION again with ALL 3 names on the list. 22/07/2011 Fri, For Mention - Case Started - 15:10 at Court: 2 22/07/2011 Fri, For Mention - Hearing finished for PETER STORRIE - 15:58 at Court: 2 This may be the start of the Henry case or they may have gone back to having all 3 in one trial, I don't know. To see if anything has leaked out from the QC's web site, I googled the 3 QC's (imo they are the BEST THAT MONEY CAN BUY, no wonder there is no money for the cva):- a) Storrieteller's is Andrew Trollope. Their web site doesn't mention the case http://www.187fleetstreet.com/ , however this site http://www.whichcriminallawyer.co.uk/find-a-barrister/find-a-barrister-in-london/187-fleet-street/ says "Currently representing Peter Storrie who is charged in connection with the alleged Portsmouth Football Club fraud, relating to transfer fees" which implies it is still ongoing. b) Henry's is John Kelsey-Fry who defended Stevie G http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2009/07/25/qc-john-kelsey-fry-a-courtroom-wizard-100252-24235683/ ..who was one of only five “star-rated” silks for crime in 2009, is believed to have been paid up to £250,000 for just a week of work in Liverpool. ...... In 2007, he successfully defended champion jockey Kieren Fallon when he was prosecuted for alleged race fixing, getting the case thrown out at the Old Bailey He was also mentioned last week re News Int Q290+ http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jul/20/james-rupert-murdoch-full-transcript Q291 Philip Davies: He is probably one of the most eminent lawyers in the country, certainly one of the most expensive ones. .... It seems odd to me that a journalist on the News of the World who is pleading guilty to a crime uses in mitigation probably the most expensive lawyer in the country. c) Milan's is Ken MacDonald who was DPP (Director of Public Prosecutions - Head of the Crown Prosecution Service) from 2003 to 2008 before returning to Matrix (? the Police raids on the Cheats FC were in July 2007 ?) I couldn't find any well known cases for him:- http://www.matrixlaw.co.uk/Members/33/Ken%20Macdonald.aspx . However I couldn't help laugh at this Daily Hate article suggesting "something" with a female barrister from the "chambers of Andrew Trollope".http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-435779/The-DPP-legal-blonde-wife-wholl-cross-examination.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 Wow - great info there! The Matrix chambers count Cherie Booth amongst the illuminaries. (Lord) Ken MacDonald was mentioned recently in connection with the News International malarky (he was DPP at the time) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 24 July, 2011 Share Posted 24 July, 2011 So basically they are going to get off scot free. Cheats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 our little three way competition didn't capture the imagination of the fans, similar to the Linvoy Primus game, so I see little difference. The test is games that matter, and the acid test is midweek away games. The figures show quite clearly who has the strongest fanbase in Hampshire. We may not be the bestest, but there are far more in red and white these days. The blue few dwindled as soon as the debts stacked up - when the going got tough, many left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 I don't care if you're Pompey or Saints, the attendance bickering is dull and embarassing at the best of times, but you guys are talking about friendlies. The only conclusion we can draw from these stats is that we should get out more. How do you start to give a flying fck? Fair point. Petty point scoring on both sides I suppose, but the reason I had a dig about it was in response to the stupid post by 'mark' saying that our support is: "sh*t and you know it" after pulling in 19k + for a nothing game against Chelsea (and there were 3k there following Chelsea, not 'half' as some attempted to suggest). A week later you pull in a mere 6k for a fantastic value mini tournament with top quality european opposition, a free funfair and band outside, and you wonder why we have a go back? What do you expect? You kept quiet about attendances for years and years all the time you were at The Skip, because you knew damn well you couldn't sell it out most games. People on here think that's a lie- it's not, look at the official attendances v's capacity! But as soon as you get a shiny new ground and hey presto an extra 10k turn up, the previous 100 years or so is conveniently airbrushed out of history. That's why I've said it will never be settled until we're in the same division in a similar sized and quality ground. End of.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mikey Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 Fair point. Petty point scoring on both sides I suppose, but the reason I had a dig about it was in response to the stupid post by 'mark' saying that our support is: "sh*t and you know it" after pulling in 19k + for a nothing game against Chelsea (and there were 3k there following Chelsea, not 'half' as some attempted to suggest). A week later you pull in a mere 6k for a fantastic value mini tournament with top quality european opposition, a free funfair and band outside, and you wonder why we have a go back? What do you expect? You kept quiet about attendances for years and years all the time you were at The Skip, because you knew damn well you couldn't sell it out most games. People on here think that's a lie- it's not, look at the official attendances v's capacity! But as soon as you get a shiny new ground and hey presto an extra 10k turn up, the previous 100 years or so is conveniently airbrushed out of history. That's why I've said it will never be settled until we're in the same division in a similar sized and quality ground. End of.... Why don't you take a stat that isn't affected by the size of our respective grounds then? What about away support? Yours is p!ss poor, and I'd like to see you defend it...although I'm sure you will come up with a load of ******. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 Why don't you take a stat that isn't affected by the size of our respective grounds then? What about away support? Yours is p!ss poor, and I'd like to see you defend it...although I'm sure you will come up with a load of ******. We've always had good away support until the last couple of Premiership years when we were on a downward spiral and people were getting ****ed off with the cost. Put it this way, we've never had to start a campaign like you have on here to try to get more people to go away. With regard to the grounds, it's not the size, it's the infrastructure. Fair play to you, you picked up about an extra 10k because a lot of people were attracted to a new ground as it's a mark of a club that's modern and ambitious- it's more comfortable. FP was worn out three decades ago, but has been kept going through several liberal applications of sticking plaster over the last 20 years. Because I'm too tall I can't get into the seats in the South and North stands because there's no legroom- those stands were built when people were literally six inches shorter, i.e. 100 years ago. I watch from the Fratton end as a result- I don't like it, but it's the only way I can comfortably view the game. Bottom line here is that I've made a compromise I shouldn't have to make- and a lot of people simply weigh up the cost of a ticket and the **** poor seat they're going to get for their money and they pass. They're not idiots, they want value for money and you can't blame them. We've only had one season in similarly crap grounds in the same divison, 87-88. What are the figures for that year? That's why I maintain that we won't settle this (if ever) until we're in a similarly modern ground and in the same division as you and in the same phase of the up/down cycle. Would most of you agree that at least that last idea makes sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 In fact, here's our league averages for 87-88: SFC: 14,594 PFC: 15,923 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 In fact, here's our league averages for 87-88: SFC: 14,594 PFC: 15,923 Looking a bit desperate when you have to go back 23 years to find a stat in your favour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 In fact, here's our league averages for 87-88: SFC: 14,594 PFC: 15,923 Is that the only year you could find when your average gate was higher than ours - nearly 25 years ago! By the way, you forgot to put the ground capacity and percentage full with those stats. During those years after all seating come in and the Dells capacity was reduced to c15k you could not get a ticket for love nor money unless you could commit to a season ticket. Prior to the all seating rule we consistently has over 20k for matches and frequently near 30k when you had to be really close friends with everyone around you! Try being in the Dell with 30k in there for 'a big one'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 Looking a bit desperate when you have to go back 23 years to find a stat in your favour Not really, it's the one year in the last 30 that we've had in the same division in similarly crap grounds.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 Not really, it's the one year in the last 30 that we've had in the same division in similarly crap grounds.... Except Fratton Park was bigger, and you were having your best season for about 50 years. I expect if you don't include the away support we still averaged more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 Except Fratton Park was bigger, and you were having your best season for about 50 years. I expect if you don't include the away support we still averaged more. Which proves my point that this isn't going to be resolved until we're in an almost identical situation. Dunno..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 (edited) Which proves my point that this isn't going to be resolved until we're in an almost identical situation. Dunno..... JPT Final - Saints sell circa 50,000 and could have sold many more FA Cup semi final/final - Pompey have empty seats at Wembley when allocation was much smaller (50% of the JPT - 25,000). - Same stadium = Wembley - Same year = 2010 - Saints at a minor trophy final against Carlisle United - Pompey playing in the most famous domestic cup final in world football against Chelsea and semi final vs Tottenham Odds were actually in Pompey's favour given that you had a Premier League team, were playing Premier League teams and the competition is far more prestigious. Yet still failed to sell out the allocation. Edited 25 July, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 So, to get back on track - What's the latest from the High Court? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 (edited) As much as its nice to rant at the skate t@#t, his argument does make a little sense. I would go with our support being better than the skates for many of the reasons already mentioned. But its not something that can actually be compared when the situations of the 2 clubs are so different year in year out. This coming year however will give us a pretty good idea. Even allowing for the extra 10k just cause we have a shiney new stadium n all that, our average gates should be somwehere in the region of 25k to 30k. Take that 10k just cause we have a shiney new stadium n all that and we will be averageing between 15k to 20k. Now we have (cough) both been taken over and we are both aiming for mid to top half of the championship. So fairly comparably eh pfc? What do you guess your averages will be this season? Will be interesting to re-visit this one later in the season and of course allow for the variables of us being better supported n all that. Edited 25 July, 2011 by saintjay77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporate Ho Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 So, to get back on track - What's the latest from the High Court? Pushed back to December as the judge was taken ill 9 days into a 10 day hearing. It's a CONSPIRACY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 JPT Final - Saints sell 50k and could have sold many more FA Cup semi final/final - Pompey have empty seats at Wembley when allocation was much smaller. - Same stadium = Wembley - Same year = 2010 - Saints at a minor trophy final against Carlisle United - Pompey playing in the most famous domestic cup final in world football against Chelsea and semi final vs Tottenham But you're going down the road of quoting individual examples again as 'mark' did two pages back. Both those games were sold out anyway, so any empty seats weren't down to us not selling them. Tickets for both those games were like gold dust. IF there were any empty seats they're probably spares held back by Wembley? (As an example, me and the wife saw a John Barry tribute concert at the Albert Hall a few weeks back, and our cheapo up-in-the-gods seats had been sold twice by mistake. They gave us a held back private box right above the orchestra as compensation. We were gutted- not.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 (edited) But you're going down the road of quoting individual examples again as 'mark' did two pages back. Why did Pompey have 13k home fan attendances in a 20k stadium for Premier League games in the relegation season? Saints were relegated in 2005 and still managed to average over 30k that season. Both teams were hardly an attractive proposition to watch in the respective seasons. As recently as the 1990's Pompey were averaging 9k in the 2nd tier of English football. Last season you wee back to 12/13k Pompey fans for many home games. A 10 year old stadium like St Mary's isn't the sole reason why Saints got 10k more in League One. The novelty of St Mary's went a long time ago. The fanbase is simply much larger. Edited 25 July, 2011 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 As much as its nice to rant at the skate t@#t, his argument does make a little sense. I would go with our support being better than the skates for many of the reasons already mentioned. But its not something that can actually be compared when the situations of the 2 clubs are so different year in year out. This coming year however will give us a pretty good idea. Even allowing for the extra 10k just cause we have a shiney new stadium n all that, our average gates should be somwehere in the region of 25k to 30k. Take that 10k just cause we have a shiney new stadium n all that and we will be averageing between 15k to 20k. Now we have (cough) both been taken over and we are both aiming for mid to top half of the championship. So fairly comparably eh pfc? What do you guess your averages will be this season? Will be interesting to re-visit this one later in the season and of course allow for the variables of us being better supported n all that. Yep, that's a fair way of looking at it. I think we'll average somwehere between 13 and 16k, depending on how well/poorly we're doing. Might be a bit more, might be a bit less... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 Why did Pompey have 13k home fan attendances in a 20k stadium for Premier League games in the relegation season? Saints were relegated in 2005 and still managed to average over 30k that season. Both teams were hardly an attractive proposition to watch in the respective seasons. As recently as the 1990's Pompey were averaging 9k in the 2nd tier of English football. Because FP is a dump that a lot of people won't spend their hard earned to go and sit in. And in the 1990's it was still a dump..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumuah Posted 25 July, 2011 Share Posted 25 July, 2011 All this **** waving about who has the best fans based on attendance is rather pointless, as it is hard to come up with a decent set of criteria that both sides would find acceptable. My one word on the subject is this: What would you rather have at the start of the season?: 19,000 for a one off (and cheap) friendly, and ~15,000 full payers for league matches* or, 6,000 for a cheap friendly tournament (where you don't actually see you team play a full 90mins vs another team) and then 25,000 full payers for league matches* * = ignoring concessions, freebies, kids, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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