Matthew Le God Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 (edited) No help required here - honest. But it's an idea in it's infancy, it needs tweaking, fine tuning - but it could work...! It wouldn't come into play every season - but I beleive that where a club is offering absolutely nothing competitive to the league in which they are playing then mid term relegation should be a consideration. It would liven the lower league up as well - teams would want to get off to a good start - who you play is the luck of the draw, a bit like when you play them over the course of the season is a factor. As I said previously - it is a radical idea, and it is just that - but it could work. But it is completely unfair and there is no way you could make it fair. For example... Some teams may have played Leeds, Charlton, Norwich at home before January with a better chance of winning than a team that has only played Leeds, Charlton, Norwich away in the 1st half of a season. Some teams will have easier fixtures lists than others. Promotion can only be given when everyone has had exactly the same fixtures. Edited 4 December, 2009 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 There's only one thing funnier than none of the players being paid, and that's "a majority" of the players not being paid. That's going to be fantastic for team spirit come Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 I'm guessing they have to pay their loan players otherwise they will just go back to their parent clubs. They are a complete joke, the Premier League must be sick to death of their "World's Greatest League" brand being associated with such a shoddy corrupt outfit. I can't see the transfer ban being lifted even if they find some cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merovingian Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 do you think it really matters though CB ? I mean we are going down anyway regardless, spirit won't get us out of this mess. TBH - fold the club, its a total embarrassment, lets have an AFC Pompey and something fans can actually relate to and is worthwhile supporting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 There's only one thing funnier than none of the players being paid, and that's "a majority" of the players not being paid. That's going to be fantastic for team spirit come Saturday. The chants should be amusing on Saturday (I think it's live on Sky?) http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/dec/04/portsmouth-players-pay Does anyone know if the O'Hara loan only until the end of this year? So there is potential that if the new owner doesn't get some finance, not only will they not be able to sign anyone but they'll lose five of their better players and finally more money owed at the end of January... "Perchance he for whom this bell tolls may be so ill, as that he knows not it tolls for him; and perchance I may think myself so much better than I am, as that they who are about me, and see my state, may have caused it to toll for me, and I know not that." PFC 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 The chants should be amusing on Saturday (I think it's live on Sky?) http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/dec/04/portsmouth-players-pay Does anyone know if the O'Hara loan only until the end of this year? So there is potential that if the new owner doesn't get some finance, not only will they not be able to sign anyone but they'll lose five of their better players and finally more money owed at the end of January... "Perchance he for whom this bell tolls may be so ill, as that he knows not it tolls for him; and perchance I may think myself so much better than I am, as that they who are about me, and see my state, may have caused it to toll for me, and I know not that." PFC 2010 Interesting that the Guardian mentions the Williamson transfer - whereas there may be some goodwill left from the likes of Chelsea with regards to late transfer payments, I would imagine that there won't be much goodwill coming from Watford who themselves are in trouble financially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 As I said, it needs a 'team of tweakers' to make it work and iron out the 'fine detail' - but just think how much incentive it would give teams at both the top and bottom of the leagues. *** Why the hell do I wait until 1.30 in the morning to come out with these damn radical ideas...? *** May be it's only after a considerable time down the pub that you are able to think so "clearly". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 So, they're going to be paid a proportion today, and the rest later. What wouldn't I give to be a fly on the wall at Fart'n today ..... Here you are Aruna, here's a fiver for you. I'll give you the rest next week. Honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 http://www.fansonline.net/portsmouth/article.php?id=1243 "As Chairman of Portsmouth FC, I have always sought to adhere to the highest standards of transparency in the running of the Club, in particular, with regard to its finances," "This lack of openness is having a destabilizing effect on the Club and I, both as Chairman of Portsmouth FC and an ardent fan of the Club,.. blah blah balh !" Lolage! Oh dear oh dear.... aside form this being hilarious, why is the Chairman of any buisness not able to simply call the finance director/financial controller and ask to be given a copy of the Company's management accounts? Unless ofcourse everything is totally totally F**KED and the majority shareholder is deliberately hiding it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 (edited) Reported by a Pompey fan to have come from Jacob by email last night. Fact or fiction you have to smile! "Says there is a slight delay because the were let down by a funder... they are working round the clock to address the situation Also stresses that the club's situation is now more stable than september i.e. progress has been made albeit slower than preferred" http://thepompeychimes.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=52592 Edited 4 December, 2009 by Weston Saint to enter the link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 it does appear that they are on the brink but personally I would prefer it if they just hung on and stumbled through the season and got relegated. Then they will look at the figures in the summer and realise that the game is up, thus damaging another season and starting with a penalty. This could be the longest running comedy ever. And on a personal note, if this had occured ten years ago I would have had some sympathy, but the night they came to our ground and abused the silence for Ted Bates, that's when they showed their true colours and it was the night my attitude towards them changed. The arrogant boasting and admin-related abuse dished out in the summer just adds to the current hilarity. What's the temperature in Hampshire now boys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Alert Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 You would think the PFA would be having a nice big old moan about this by now. If players aren't getting paid has the PFA got any power at all to make the FA act on this trend of not paying people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 it does appear that they are on the brink but personally I would prefer it if they just hung on and stumbled through the season and got relegated. Then they will look at the figures in the summer and realise that the game is up, thus damaging another season and starting with a penalty. This could be the longest running comedy ever. And on a personal note, if this had occured ten years ago I would have had some sympathy, but the night they came to our ground and abused the silence for Ted Bates, that's when they showed their true colours and it was the night my attitude towards them changed. The arrogant boasting and admin-related abuse dished out in the summer just adds to the current hilarity. What's the temperature in Hampshire now boys? +1 The problems for them in administration will also be significantly greater than ours were. With the stadium and surrounding property still owned by Gaydamak (apparently) the prospects of them being purchased from administration are also greatly reduced. Anybody buying the "club", even for £1, would still need to either purchase the stadium from Gaydamak, or agree a rental. In either event Gaydamak has them over a barrel and any deal would need to give him a better return than he could get from knocking everything down and building houses. The only other options are to build a new stadium which would both cost a fortune and take time. Maybe they could ground share with Havant... probably have a few empty seats though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
31cc Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 Breaking news. http://newsarse.com/2009/12/04/portsmouth-millionaires-forced-to-go-three-weeks-without-further-millions/ Mind you, it's getting to the point where satire isn't as funny as the real thing.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 You would think the PFA would be having a nice big old moan about this by now. If players aren't getting paid has the PFA got any power at all to make the FA act on this trend of not paying people? Do the players have a Union? For once in my life, I would actually support strike action Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 Do the players have a Union? For once in my life, I would actually support strike action You only support strikes when its the rich being unfairly treated? Typical tory.... NB - I'd love them to strike (for the same reason as you). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 Do the players have a Union? For once in my life, I would actually support strike action It's December and they only have seven points - perhaps they have been on strike all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 Do the players have a Union? For once in my life, I would actually support strike action Easy, JB - easy I thought the PFA WAS their union :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 +1 The problems for them in administration will also be significantly greater than ours were. With the stadium and surrounding property still owned by Gaydamak (apparently) the prospects of them being purchased from administration are also greatly reduced. Anybody buying the "club", even for £1, would still need to either purchase the stadium from Gaydamak, or agree a rental. In either event Gaydamak has them over a barrel and any deal would need to give him a better return than he could get from knocking everything down and building houses. The only other options are to build a new stadium which would both cost a fortune and take time. Maybe they could ground share with Havant... probably have a few empty seats though. Anyone remember the good old days when Pompey was just Gaydamak's rich man's toy and he would never be so bothered about such vulgar things like getting his money back or a return on investment? He was just chucking money at his beloved Pompey for his own amusement and for his love of the literally hundreds of world's-best-fans Pompey have. Pretty sure if you scroll back on this very thread Mr Ho makes such claims. But I can't be bothered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 A Securitas van heading for Pompey crashed this morning on the M27 spilling its load. I couldn't help but stop and help myself to some of the stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 A Securitas van heading for Pompey crashed this morning on the M27 spilling its load. I couldn't help but stop and help myself to some of the stock. Nice nails MB nice nails Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 My reaction everytime I hear that the situation has worsened down the road: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 Nice nails MB nice nails I do try, they're not finished yet, putting the white stripes on tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamRed Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 The skates last home game is Saturday, 1 May 2010, v Wolves. Anyone else tempted to join the party atmosphere??? ;-)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 The skates last home game is Saturday, 1 May 2010, v Wolves. Anyone else tempted to join the party atmosphere??? ;-)) A "Relegation Celebration" if ever there was one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 We can intrude on their private grief, as their next 3 home games are all on sky. Burnley (come on Wade!) tomorrow. Liverpool 19th and Arsenal 30th. Also nice to see TT giving them loads on the "Fansonline" site. See post 3812. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 As much as I dislike the Skates I do not want them to go out of business, there are many small businesses(fishmongers etc), families and dare I say odd decent fan that does not deserve this and would suffer as such. We were in a similar position and got lucky.....there for the grace of god and all that. Harry will come in and rescue them anyway he said as much recently and I believe evry word he says...Pinocchio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintds Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 We can intrude on their private grief, as their next 3 home games are all on sky. Burnley (come on Wade!) tomorrow. Liverpool 19th and Arsenal 30th. Also nice to see TT giving them loads on the "Fansonline" site. See post 3812. Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 NEWS JUST In Pomey are to be bought by L'Oreal .....because they're WORTHLESS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFHP Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 The skates last home game is Saturday, 1 May 2010, v Wolves. Anyone else tempted to join the party atmosphere??? ;-)) No, I will be watching Saints at Gillingham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamRed Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 No, I will be watching Saints at Gillingham. Good point well made. I was busy laughing I forgot myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 (edited) Don't sweat my Pony fiddling Friends, (I know longer have my fingers in the pie) COE storey teller has just announced on SSN (every thing is in hand the lads will be payed today,) Onist;) Edited 4 December, 2009 by mack rill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 (edited) Storrie teller just been on live on Sky sports news said they've now paid the outstanding wages, it was just a small misunderstanding at the bank & its been Ironed out now. As for the refunding of the the club, he's been told that Ali Al Faraj & his advisor's are progressing the restructuring & are VERY CLOSE to securing the club, the FANS NEED TO BE A LITTLE PATIENT . Asked about the transfer embargo he replied its all very close to being lifted & had discussed with Faraj's advisor's Grants idea's for transfers & were supportive of them. :smt119 Well thats roughly what he said maybe not word for word, just more of the same. Almost makes me feel sorry for them no not really ROTFPMSL again. Edited 4 December, 2009 by Under Weststand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 I do try, they're not finished yet, putting the white stripes on tonight. Oh, don't lose them then, when playing your.....um....games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 Storrie teller just been on live on Sky sports news said they've now paid the outstanding wages, it was just a small misunderstanding at the bank & its been Ironed out now. As for the refunding of the the club, he's been told that Ali Al Faraj & his advisor's are progressing the restructuring & are VERY CLOSE to securing the club, the FANS NEED TO BE A LITTLE PATIENT . Asked about the transfer embargo he replied its all very close to being lifted & had discussed with Faraj's advisor's Grants idea's for transfers & were supportive of them. :smt119 Well thats roughly what he said maybe not word for word, just more of the same. Almost makes me feel sorry for them no not really ROTFPMSL again. So we can expect one of CoHo's rare posts shortly only for him to vanish back to his gardening leave again when it fails to materialise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 So we can expect one of CoHo's rare posts shortly only for him to vanish back to his gardening leave again when it fails to materialise. I'm sure his contact at the club, who he sees socially every two weeks or so, will have filled him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 (edited) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/8394092.stm Don't panic everyone, they've got a loan. Does anyone know whether they have taken out any other loans before this? Edited 4 December, 2009 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/8394092.stm Don't panic everyone, they've got a loan. Does anyone know whethere they have taken out any other loans before this? I think they went to http://www.debtfreeinaday.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 4 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 December, 2009 Does anyone know if the the new owner passed the fit and proper owner tests laid down by the Prem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 Does anyone know if the the new owner passed the fit and proper owner tests laid down by the Prem? shhhhhhhhhhhh! PFA Fux Par quietly swept under carpet, Simples mistake;) When passport says (Man from the land of sand) it use to mean MINTED:smt040 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 Does anyone know if the the new owner passed the fit and proper owner tests laid down by the Prem? I believe they are trying to find out if he even exists. That issue does seem to have been rather swept under the carpet, I wonder why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 Fortunately they made the last two owners go through the 'new stringent' test, otherwise they might have ended up with an arms dealer or a skint fantasist obsessed with taking out loans. Interesting to hear Grant say today that he didn't know there were any financial issues -presumably he didn't know they were down the bottom either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 Breaking news. http://newsarse.com/2009/12/04/portsmouth-millionaires-forced-to-go-three-weeks-without-further-millions/ Mind you, it's getting to the point where satire isn't as funny as the real thing.. I know it's sarcasm but really, 30,000 attendances? Another told us, “It’s tragic. How can a millionaire survive and maintain his ostentatious lifestyle without a ready supply of well-earned cash from me and 30,000 of my friends which he can then fritter away as he chooses?” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 I know it's sarcasm but really, 30,000 attendances? I liked the 'frittering' though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/8394092.stm Don't panic everyone, they've got a loan. Does anyone know whethere they have taken out any other loans before this? All they need now is Carol Vorderman They can then consolidate all their loans into one easily repayable loan and . . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 You soppy old sod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 (edited) NEWS JUST In Pomey are to be bought by L'Oreal .....because they're WORTHLESS Off the record, I hear that Avram Grant is going to be featured in this sunday's NOTW - anyone else heard this rumour???? Edited 4 December, 2009 by Johnny Bognor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 Off the record, I hear that Avram Grant is going to be featured in this sunday's NOTW - anyone else heard this rumour???? no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 If they do go under this season... do we get an extra promotion spot to aim for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 5 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 December, 2009 Peter Storrie quoted yesterday talking about the new owner(s). "It is a difficult market in the financial world at the moment. They took the club over with little or no due diligence because of the situation with Sulaiman". So the new owner is a "they" which is news to me and "they" bought the club with "little or no due diligence". Christ they must still be in shock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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