Pompey Takeover Saga

[saintjay77]

They have GOT to be kidding!

 

the very first comment after that article

 

 

 

at least it's affordable and we're not cheating

 

With awareness like that amongst their fans, I'm amazed they even have the ability to switch a computer on

 

I was about to post the exact same thing!!! Its got to be someone on the wind up surely??? My 7 year old kid could work out that there income is not more than there outgoing!!!

 

Maybe they are paying tax bills now (would be stupid not to) but each CVA payments that they attempt to make is effectivly continueing the cheat that got them to 2 FA cup finals!

 

I can understand them being happy to have a club left to support but they way that they got there shouldnt really leave a sweet taste in their mouth.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Affordable squad my arse. Still cheating, still living way beyond their means, and still no creditor payments. What a stinking cess pit of a club. An embarrassment to the game.

[Sheaf Saint]

Will be interesting to see how Sheff Wednesday get on with their court case against HMRC today. Follow it here...

 

http://twitter.com/bbc_matt

[tony13579]

#swfc get 28 days (TO PAY 1.3M)

[Ade]

Not sure if this has been posted, but Martin Samuel needs to keep digging. At least some in the media seem want to highlight the goings on down the road still

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1330323/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Are-John-Henrys-Liverpool-crew-just-Double-Glazers.html

[holepuncture]

Not sure if this has been posted, but Martin Samuel needs to keep digging. At least some in the media seem want to highlight the goings on down the road still

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1330323/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Are-John-Henrys-Liverpool-crew-just-Double-Glazers.html

 

If we were to print off every single news piece displayed on this thread. Surely we would have the most comprehensive published account of the criminal activity down at Fratton in the country? It would probably be more substantial than HMRCs evidence!

 

We could expose this, no doubt.

 

When the skate fans presented a web identifying all the gun runners and launderers and how they are connected (and have been all along), the FA/PL acknowledged it, but said they had an even bigger web!

 

We could expose the cover up!

 

I can imagine a detectives basement scene, press cuttings everywhere on the walls, sleep deprived saints fans tying it all together.

 

Full press release, videos, social networks, multiple websites developed to back up the story and to add weight on the digital scene.

 

Public presentations at Soho square London, Fratton and Skate Guildhall.

[Snopper]

I think this is the bit of Martin Samuel`s report that is of interest:-

 

"If reports alleging that Ali Al Faraj, the former owner of Portsmouth, did not exist are true, this is no longer a matter for the football authorities but the fraud squad. There comes a point where the plight of this sorry club no longer becomes a cheap punchline or a morality tale for the sports pages, and it has been reached.

 

Passport details were provided to the Premier League for screening as part of a fit and proper persons test, and if these were to prove false a serious offence has been committed. If police were to summon the evasive Al Faraj for questioning, who would turn up? Surely it is worth finding out."

 

It sure is!!

[aintforever]

If, as it seems, it turns out Ali Al Faraj is an imaginary person, what does it mean has gone on down at pompey?

 

I don't get how or why you would make a person up and have that person buy a football club.

[Faz]

If, as it seems, it turns out Ali Al Faraj is an imaginary person, what does it mean has gone on down at pompey?

 

I don't get how or why you would make a person up and have that person buy a football club.

 

Please re-read pages 1-708, the answer's in there.

Edited 17 November, 2010 by Faz

[dubai_phil]

If, as it seems, it turns out Ali Al Faraj is an imaginary person, what does it mean has gone on down at pompey?

 

I don't get how or why you would make a person up and have that person buy a football club.

 

The UAE Football Association said he didn't exist. The Saudi FA said he didn't exist. The Saudi Ministry of Sport said he doesn't exist.

 

An Ali Al Faraj "in Saudi banking" was identified as a Customer Service representative at a MINIATURE Saudi bank with with 200 employees.

 

A number of prominent Saudi Businessmen said he didn't exist.

 

Next time you are in HSBC or Lloyds TSB go look at the help desk and see what their name plate or biz card gives as their job title

 

 

D_P and all those sources also told you he didn't exist AND most of them told the media, and yet he STILL passed the FAPP.

 

af - if you have a football club that you do not want anyone to look at for a few months while you Blancco the hard drives and shred the accounts, you will take whatever made up idea you think you can pull off

[Dark Munster]

And Chainrai has admitted they will 'consider themselves lucky' if they leave the club without taking a financial hit

 

No sh-t Sherlock!

This is the first time he's admitted that a profit from his 'shrewd investment' seems unlikely, is he now looking at accepting the first reasonable offer that limits his losses?

That just means making the place look mildly profitable and debt free for a new owner.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh well, it's good to have a dream.

 

Yes, but he could be lying. Shocking as it may sound, one or two characters from Cheats FC have been rumoured to have done so.

 

He wouldn't be funding Lawrence and co.'s wages if he weren't going for the big prize. The remaining parachute payments (along with stripping everything bare) is the consolation prize if the gamble fails, and even in that scenario I reckon he'll come out ahead.

Edited 17 November, 2010 by Dark Munster

[Dark Munster]

The UAE Football Association said he didn't exist. The Saudi FA said he didn't exist. The Saudi Ministry of Sport said he doesn't exist.

 

An Ali Al Faraj "in Saudi banking" was identified as a Customer Service representative at a MINIATURE Saudi bank with with 200 employees.

 

A number of prominent Saudi Businessmen said he didn't exist.

 

Next time you are in HSBC or Lloyds TSB go look at the help desk and see what their name plate or biz card gives as their job title

 

 

D_P and all those sources also told you he didn't exist AND most of them told the media, and yet he STILL passed the FAPP.

 

af - if you have a football club that you do not want anyone to look at for a few months while you Blancco the hard drives and shred the accounts, you will take whatever made up idea you think you can pull off

 

I'm not sure how common a name "Ali Al Faraj" is in the Middle East, but if it's not that common you would've thought they'd have chosen the Arabic equivalent of "John Smith".

 

"Mohammad Haddad" maybe?

[Saint 76er]

The UAE Football Association said he didn't exist. The Saudi FA said he didn't exist. The Saudi Ministry of Sport said he doesn't exist.

 

An Ali Al Faraj "in Saudi banking" was identified as a Customer Service representative at a MINIATURE Saudi bank with with 200 employees.

 

A number of prominent Saudi Businessmen said he didn't exist.

 

Next time you are in HSBC or Lloyds TSB go look at the help desk and see what their name plate or biz card gives as their job title

 

 

D_P and all those sources also told you he didn't exist AND most of them told the media, and yet he STILL passed the FAPP.

 

af - if you have a football club that you do not want anyone to look at for a few months while you Blancco the hard drives and shred the accounts, you will take whatever made up idea you think you can pull off

 

Surely, the redoubtable and diligent AA will be fully investigating all these issues (and plenty more) in his forensic clean up of all wrongdoings at Fallingdown Park, won't he?

 

I do hope he won't let us down as I can hardly wait for the parade of dodgy characters being led to the cells as AA marks another one off his hit list ...

[stevegrant]

If, as it seems, it turns out Ali Al Faraj is an imaginary person, what does it mean has gone on down at pompey?

 

I don't get how or why you would make a person up and have that person buy a football club.

I think it centres around the well-publicised legal disputes between Gaydamak (Snr) and Chainrai/Kushnir in the past.

 

They became interested because they were still owed money by Gaydamak and saw that the club was listed among his assets in an Israeli newspaper. It was obvious that he wouldn't sell the club to them, so they made up some non-existent Arab to effectively "flip" the club, but they had to string it out for a bit longer to make it seem credible ().

[Gemmel]

http://www.twohundredpercent.net/?p=9896

 

An Excellent Piece and the media bandwagon is slowly starting to catch on..... This might not be all over.

 

Couple of points. Outside of nobody ever meeting al mirage, a picture of al mirage was provided to the Premier league with all the paperwork and the picture was provided by "Getty Images" (Worlds largest photo libary company)............ Who have now said they didnt provide it and have no picture of al mirage.

 

Ok ok, so it's not much, but then if you follow the logic of Ali Al Faraj........... That means;

 

The current Portsmouth owner, Balram Chainrai, became part of the Portsmouth “saga” when he loaned money to a company owned by a man who didn’t exist, making Chainrai complicit or careless to the point of negligence

[rallyboy]

someone like Phil might be able to assist with his specialist knowledge! - I was talking to a friend who originates from the middle east and he had no idea about football, but he does know about fraud investigation.

When I mentioned the name Faraj he said to me that that the word translates as 'solution'.

Whether that is in arabic or another dialect I didn't clarify, but does Al Faraj mean 'the solution'?

And if so, is it the most subtle con in financial history?

 

Where does the Prem FaPP test dept now stand if it has approved someone through a vigorous examination who presented nothing but a false passport and a photo that no one would verify?

Completely incompetent and terminally damaged I would suggest.

 

And where does Mr Chanrai stand if he has been complicit in this deception by financing the con through an imaginary loan, and then the aggressive ownership takeover through the defaulting on the imaginary loan?

No money lender does business with someone they can't identify - unless they have assurances that it will be worth their while.

 

If the very existence of Mr Faraj cannot be confirmed then there must be a whole lot of questions for many to answer, and evidence that the football club has been used as a criminal punchbag gathers, meaning we should think soon about whether we should have some sympathy for any of the fans....

 

 

 

 

 

No, I reckon not - if they were humble perhaps, but all I hear is gobby denial!

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

someone like Phil might be able to assist with his specialist knowledge! - I was talking to a friend who originates from the middle east and he had no idea about football, but he does know about fraud investigation.

When I mentioned the name Faraj he said to me that that the word translates as 'solution'.

Whether that is in arabic or another dialect I didn't clarify, but does Al Faraj mean 'the solution'?

And if so, is it the most subtle con in financial history?

Where does the Prem FaPP test dept now stand if it has approved someone through a vigorous examination who presented nothing but a false passport and a photo that no one would verify?

Completely incompetent and terminally damaged I would suggest.

 

And where does Mr Chanrai stand if he has been complicit in this deception by financing the con through an imaginary loan, and then the aggressive ownership takeover through the defaulting on the imaginary loan?

No money lender does business with someone they can't identify - unless they have assurances that it will be worth their while.

 

If the very existence of Mr Faraj cannot be confirmed then there must be a whole lot of questions for many to answer, and evidence that the football club has been used as a criminal punchbag gathers, meaning we should think soon about whether we should have some sympathy for any of the fans....

 

 

 

 

 

No, I reckon not - if they were humble perhaps, but all I hear is gobby denial!

 

I reckon the subtle financial cons are so subtle that they've never been uncovered. This one isnt that subtle - it got called out pretty quickly on here - its just the authorities are either too stupid to notice or don't care

[Saint_John]

You have to laugh.

 

But AA was telling the world they had qualified for Europe, it was just that they failed to complete the paperwork on time that stopped them.

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/Pompey-call-on-Fifa-over.6630745.jp

 

'At some stage and without our knowledge, there has been an agreement between Udinese and Inter Milan whereby Inter Milan assigned that 1m euros directly to Udinese.

 

'Now Udinese have been paid their debt in full but we are still owed 1m euros.

 

'It has also become more complicated because Udinese are suggesting that they want an extra 500,000 euros from us on the basis that we supposedly qualified for Europe this year.

 

'So now we are trying to get the uncontested 500,000 released as soon as possible and then challenge the other 500,000 they are claiming, even though we didn't qualify for Europe

[benjii]

Peter Storrie: contracts expert and Saints legend.

[saint si]

someone like Phil might be able to assist with his specialist knowledge! - I was talking to a friend who originates from the middle east and he had no idea about football, but he does know about fraud investigation.

When I mentioned the name Faraj he said to me that that the word translates as 'solution'.

Whether that is in arabic or another dialect I didn't clarify, but does Al Faraj mean 'the solution'?

And if so, is it the most subtle con in financial history?

 

http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Faraj

 

The boy's name Faraj \f(a)-

is of Arabic origin, and the meaning of Faraj is "to cure"

 

Unbelievable!

[sidthesquid]

http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Faraj

 

The boy's name Faraj \f(a)-

is of Arabic origin, and the meaning of Faraj is "to cure"

 

Unbelievable!

 

To cure a problem, to solve a problem - Ali the Cure, Ali the Solution - talk about taking the P for Poopey

[dubai_phil]

Again, just to make ths really clear.

 

I've been in Business down here for 17 years. I have very good friends and acquaintances and many stories to tell as Forum Match members will know.

 

But, to become WEALTHY as a businessman in a society as small as this actually is, then at least ONE Saudi Prince, ONE wealthy Saudi businessman, or ONE Property Development Company would have heard of a Saudi Billionaire.

 

It's like saying "Xyz was bought by a Billionaire from Hampshire". This place has a LOT of wealth (still) but when NOBODY in business or sport had heard of the guy?

 

As for the actual name, don't get to hung up, another meaning in modern English is Doctor and there are a lot of Al Faraj's down here.

 

Just none with billions.

 

Oh, and also, don't get all hung up just because he isn't on Linked in or whatever. The people here really don't go for the whole tell everyone everything I am doing thing, unless you are at the bottom of the heap like us ex pats or young aspiring Al Q memebers

Edited 18 November, 2010 by dubai_phil

[tony13579]

I'm not sure how common a name "Ali Al Faraj" is in the Middle East, but if it's not that common you would've thought they'd have chosen the Arabic equivalent of "John Smith".

 

"Mohammad Haddad" maybe?

I just have this image of two News of The World reporters hatching a drunken plan to do a fake shake expose and getting carried away and bought the mess. In the morning ringing each other up and panicing after googling the people they were dealing with.

[Dark Munster]

I reckon the subtle financial cons are so subtle that they've never been uncovered. This one isnt that subtle - it got called out pretty quickly on here - its just the authorities are either too stupid to notice or don't care

 

... or received a nicely padded brown envelope or two?

[Dark Munster]

http://www.twohundredpercent.net/?p=9896

 

An Excellent Piece and the media bandwagon is slowly starting to catch on..... This might not be all over.

 

“Richards could find nothing wrong with Al Faraj.”

 

Shouldn't that be "Richards could not find Al Faraj"?

 

I'm sure the PL were confident that they'd seen the last of the Cheats for a long time. So I wonder how they'll feel if Cheats FC somehow achieve promotion this season? I suspect the PL will be begging the FL to dock them enough points at the 11th hour to prevent them sleazing their way back up. Being owned by Al Mirage, along with the shady "loans" purported to have been made to him, not to mention the unlicensed agents and the charges against Storrie-teller and co., should be worth -50 points at least, I'd have thought.

[Gemmel]

. Being owned by Al Mirage, along with the shady "loans" purported to have been made to him, not to mention the unlicensed agents and the charges against Storrie-teller and co., should be worth -50 points at least, I'd have thought.

 

And there is the problem. They can't penalize somebody for not existing when they sanctioned the non existent person in the first place.

To say they have got lucky is an understatement;

 

1) If they had been any other type of business they would have been liquidated in the courts.

2) If Richards hadn't got invloved, there would be potential reprocussions, but as he did, it is now unlikely

3) If the parachute payements hadn't gone up, then the CVA would be impossible to support and the secured debt would have out stripped the income.

 

 

But i still maintain, Storries court case will come back and haunt them.

[Corporate Ho]

When the skate fans presented a web identifying all the gun runners and launderers and how they are connected (and have been all along), the FA/PL acknowledged it, but said they had an even bigger web!

 

We could expose the cover up!

 

I think this is the bit of Martin Samuel`s report that is of interest:-

 

"If reports alleging that Ali Al Faraj, the former owner of Portsmouth, did not exist are true, this is no longer a matter for the football authorities but the fraud squad. There comes a point where the plight of this sorry club no longer becomes a cheap punchline or a morality tale for the sports pages, and it has been reached.

 

Passport details were provided to the Premier League for screening as part of a fit and proper persons test, and if these were to prove false a serious offence has been committed. If police were to summon the evasive Al Faraj for questioning, who would turn up? Surely it is worth finding out."

 

It sure is!!

 

I think it centres around the well-publicised legal disputes between Gaydamak (Snr) and Chainrai/Kushnir in the past.

 

They became interested because they were still owed money by Gaydamak and saw that the club was listed among his assets in an Israeli newspaper. It was obvious that he wouldn't sell the club to them, so they made up some non-existent Arab to effectively "flip" the club, but they had to string it out for a bit longer to make it seem credible ().

 

http://www.twohundredpercent.net/?p=9896

 

An Excellent Piece and the media bandwagon is slowly starting to catch on..... This might not be all over.

 

Couple of points. Outside of nobody ever meeting al mirage, a picture of al mirage was provided to the Premier league with all the paperwork and the picture was provided by "Getty Images" (Worlds largest photo libary company)............ Who have now said they didnt provide it and have no picture of al mirage.

 

Ok ok, so it's not much, but then if you follow the logic of Ali Al Faraj........... That means;

 

The current Portsmouth owner, Balram Chainrai, became part of the Portsmouth “saga” when he loaned money to a company owned by a man who didn’t exist, making Chainrai complicit or careless to the point of negligence

 

Where does the Prem FaPP test dept now stand if it has approved someone through a vigorous examination who presented nothing but a false passport and a photo that no one would verify?

Completely incompetent and terminally damaged I would suggest.

 

And where does Mr Chanrai stand if he has been complicit in this deception by financing the con through an imaginary loan, and then the aggressive ownership takeover through the defaulting on the imaginary loan?

No money lender does business with someone they can't identify - unless they have assurances that it will be worth their while.

 

If the very existence of Mr Faraj cannot be confirmed then there must be a whole lot of questions for many to answer, and evidence that the football club has been used as a criminal punchbag gathers, meaning we should think soon about whether we should have some sympathy for any of the fans....!

 

Good to see both you and the press have finally caught up with what Pompey fans have been telling you for months on here. The whole thing was a con to allow Chainrai and Kushnir to take over with no outlay. The non payment of the HMRC would therefore seem to have been deliberately orchestrated to push us into admin and allow their takeover with Andronikou's collusion. That would seem to me to be fraud plain and simple. It also makes me ask the question, when for ages you were ridiculing Pompey fans saying the PL had anything to answer for our problems, have you revised that opinion now as it's clear that they had a duty of care to one of their member clubs that they failed in spectacularly.

 

Leaving aside the fact it's PFC, if this had happened to Saints would you feel the PL had been at best negligent and at worst partly complicit in a massive case of fraud?

[hypochondriac]

Good to see both you and the press have finally caught up with what Pompey fans have been telling you for months on here. The whole thing was a con to allow Chainrai and Kushnir to take over with no outlay. The non payment of the HMRC would therefore seem to have been deliberately orchestrated to push us into admin and allow their takeover with Andronikou's collusion. That would seem to me to be fraud plain and simple. It also makes me ask the question, when for ages you were ridiculing Pompey fans saying the PL had anything to answer for our problems, have you revised that opinion now as it's clear that they had a duty of care to one of their member clubs that they failed in spectacularly.

 

Leaving aside the fact it's PFC, if this had happened to Saints would you feel the PL had been at best negligent and at worst partly complicit in a massive case of fraud?

We've known that for ages, longer than the majority of portsmouth fans apart from blueballoo. My opinion is that the prem have to take some responsibility but then so do you for your ridiculous reactions and most of your fans saying it was worth it for the FA cup (and celebrating when you won the HMRC court case even though by rights you should have lost.)

[Lets B Avenue]

Remember that it was Storrie-Teller that was pushing the "Al-Mirage" bid as it would take them "to a new level." He was, allegedly, pis sed off that Gayboy had sold to the Fake Doc.

 

We were asking on here 12 months ago why convicted Israelis were representing "Billionaire Arabs." A question that the Street of Shame convieniently overlooked, along with all the connections between Chanrai and the Gun-runner.

[dubai_phil]

Good to see both you and the press have finally caught up with what Pompey fans have been telling you for months on here. The whole thing was a con to allow Chainrai and Kushnir to take over with no outlay. The non payment of the HMRC would therefore seem to have been deliberately orchestrated to push us into admin and allow their takeover with Andronikou's collusion. That would seem to me to be fraud plain and simple. It also makes me ask the question, when for ages you were ridiculing Pompey fans saying the PL had anything to answer for our problems, have you revised that opinion now as it's clear that they had a duty of care to one of their member clubs that they failed in spectacularly.

 

Leaving aside the fact it's PFC, if this had happened to Saints would you feel the PL had been at best negligent and at worst partly complicit in a massive case of fraud?

 

But Ho, the opinion of most of us is that the possible fraud did not START with Chanrai & Kushnir. It started way back, possibly in the way Milan ran the club, most probably in the way Sacha came onboard and then ran the club.

 

The whole mathematics of where did young Gayboys money come from and who was really the beneficial owner never added up, and yet your lot still celebrated the ill gotten gains, you personally still came on here to boast about your billionaire.

 

It has been mentioned before, about some humility and about understanding the wrongs, you are finally showing some of that, but again, it is not just the PL that owes the Duty of Care, the fans do as well. Morally we had infighting, we had boycotts and. thanks to a young kid, we had protest marches. It at least showed we were not happy with the status quo. Your lot were happy, don't blame JUST the PL, they share guilt in the matter, but so do many of you lot.

 

HOWEVER, now is the time to start to do something, stop with the unfairness protests and start with the demanding answers protests. Go picket PL HQ and demand that they investigate themselves, make a complaint to the fraud squad yourselves. Start taking a stance and earning the right to some moral high ground.

 

Perhaps even start a petition to hand back the FA Cup you won and apologise.

[buctootim]

Good to see both you and the press have finally caught up with what Pompey fans have been telling you for months on here. The whole thing was a con to allow Chainrai and Kushnir to take over with no outlay. The non payment of the HMRC would therefore seem to have been deliberately orchestrated to push us into admin and allow their takeover with Andronikou's collusion. That would seem to me to be fraud plain and simple. It also makes me ask the question, when for ages you were ridiculing Pompey fans saying the PL had anything to answer for our problems, have you revised that opinion now as it's clear that they had a duty of care to one of their member clubs that they failed in spectacularly.

 

Leaving aside the fact it's PFC, if this had happened to Saints would you feel the PL had been at best negligent and at worst partly complicit in a massive case of fraud?

 

The PL knew there was a problem with PFC but bottled taking action - a bit like Gordon Brown knew he should have reined in spending but tried to delay in the hope something would turn up. At best, imo, they probably thought some mysterious middle eastern gentleman they know nothing about was preferable to the son of a gun runner who was almost certainly laundering money through PFC, facing criminal charges and possibly bankruptcy. It wasnt in their interests to investigate Mirage too closely - instead just rubber stamp 'his' ownership and bat the problem into the long grass for a bit longer. So yes the PL failed PFC, and in allowing the charade to continue, failed the other clubs as well.

Edited 19 November, 2010 by buctootim

[Gemmel]

It also makes me ask the question, when for ages you were ridiculing Pompey fans saying the PL had anything to answer for our problems, have you revised that opinion now as it's clear that they had a duty of care to one of their member clubs that they failed in spectacularly.

 

Leaving aside the fact it's PFC, if this had happened to Saints would you feel the PL had been at best negligent and at worst partly complicit in a massive case of fraud?

 

Actually on this you might just have a point. However, most of the pompey fans were whinging and whining about how could two skint arabs have passed the FAPP test, and the fact they had no money, more than as to whether anyone actually existed or not and the fact is that the FAPP was never about finances as each club would have different ambitions, which would require different levels of funding and it was not for the FA to dictate those ambitions. So certainly to start with (As always with pompey) it was about the money. Your willingness to accept gaydamak is proof enough that you are not too fussed on the moral side of things.

When it came to light (And indeed here and now) that Faraj might not exist, then yes you do have a point and the PL will either need to sweep everything under the carpet ( Helpful for Chanerai) or turn on Richards, who looks like he might have over stepped his remit.

Having said all of that, without those series of events, you might not exist at all, so could it be fair to say that your current success and existence is built on foundations of lies, deceit, crime, fraud, manipulation and money laundering?

[JackFrost]

Good to see both you and the press have finally caught up with what Pompey fans have been telling you for months on here. The whole thing was a con to allow Chainrai and Kushnir to take over with no outlay. The non payment of the HMRC would therefore seem to have been deliberately orchestrated to push us into admin and allow their takeover with Andronikou's collusion. That would seem to me to be fraud plain and simple. It also makes me ask the question, when for ages you were ridiculing Pompey fans saying the PL had anything to answer for our problems, have you revised that opinion now as it's clear that they had a duty of care to one of their member clubs that they failed in spectacularly.

 

Leaving aside the fact it's PFC, if this had happened to Saints would you feel the PL had been at best negligent and at worst partly complicit in a massive case of fraud?

 

shame all you lot were (and still are) all too busy cheering it all on, instead of trying to do something about it.

 

The bad news for you is, why go to all that trouble to take control and sell a football club (with almost no assets) for a modest profit?

 

If your right this is all pointing towards the flat building theory on Fratton Park IMO

Edited 19 November, 2010 by JackFrost

[rallyboy]

a good point there about the 'unusual activity' going back years, it wasn't a problem when 250,000 of the bestest were out there celebrating...

 

the Prem may have failed to prevent dodgy ownership change but the club was trading insolvently at that point so it saved the club from serious damage.

 

The main problem with the few moaning about the Prem shafting the club was the fact that the authorities were clearly misled in january with false accounts allowing new players in that they couldn't afford, strengthening the team for the cup win at St Marys and the resultant cup run - both of which the few lapped up, pretending even now that it wasn't all illegal.

You can't have your 4-1 and moan about the authorities who allowed O'Hara etc etc to sign.

 

Yes the prem failed the club on ownership, but supported it through extreme leniency and advanced monies.

And the FA allowed the club to continue in the competition, thus allowing pfc to technically qualify for Europe, a hilarious situation that looks like it will cost £500K of vital income.

 

Without the help of the nasty Prem there would be no pfc now.

[Corporate Ho]

But Ho, the opinion of most of us is that the possible fraud did not START with Chanrai & Kushnir. It started way back, possibly in the way Milan ran the club, most probably in the way Sacha came onboard and then ran the club.

 

The whole mathematics of where did young Gayboys money come from and who was really the beneficial owner never added up, and yet your lot still celebrated the ill gotten gains, you personally still came on here to boast about your billionaire.

 

It has been mentioned before, about some humility and about understanding the wrongs, you are finally showing some of that, but again, it is not just the PL that owes the Duty of Care, the fans do as well. Morally we had infighting, we had boycotts and. thanks to a young kid, we had protest marches. It at least showed we were not happy with the status quo. Your lot were happy, don't blame JUST the PL, they share guilt in the matter, but so do many of you lot.

 

HOWEVER, now is the time to start to do something, stop with the unfairness protests and start with the demanding answers protests. Go picket PL HQ and demand that they investigate themselves, make a complaint to the fraud squad yourselves. Start taking a stance and earning the right to some moral high ground.

 

Perhaps even start a petition to hand back the FA Cup you won and apologise.

 

Sorry mate, rewriting history again. I've never boasted about anything. I didn't even come on here gloating when we won the cup (although I did read everyone's posts and laughed myself silly at 99% of you lot saying we only won it because we played lower league opposition all the way through - and I laugh now at, again, the rewriting of history as that's been changed to we "cheated" to win it when there was no mention of that at the time).

 

But again, you show either a complete disregard for or a wilful ignorance of the facts on the actions of Pompey fans. Before you start bigging up yourselves (again) for your protests try and remember that a group of Pompey fans actually got to meet with the PL to discuss their concernsand a mass rally was planned only to be scuppered by the local paper, who have been pro Chainrai from the start running a story that it had been cancelled (there's one for conspiracy theorists). We've also had several of our fans in contact with various journalists and publishing stories that have been picked up by the media (large chunks of both the recent Spectator and Martin Samuel pieces were lifted from articles published online by Pompey fans).

 

Stop bigging yourself up all the time and I might be a bit more civil. You remind me of what a german player said of Ballack - if he were made of chocolate he'd lick himself

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

Sorry mate, rewriting history again. I've never boasted about anything. f

 

I can clearly remember you coming on here boasting about the wealth of your new owner, can't remember which one - you've had a few.

[Gemmel]

I can clearly remember you coming on here boasting about the wealth of your new owner, can't remember which one - you've had a few.

 

The wealthy bit must narrow it down :lol::lol:

[spyinthesky]

Trying to take a balanced view here (a bit like Ho who has a chip on both shoulders), it would be interesting to know how many of us Saints fans would have enjoyed our 'moment of success' if dodgy owners had provided us with a platform for success.

 

Whilst Rupert and Co were nowhere in the same League as the criminals at Pompey, they did get up to some unsavoury if not unlawful acts and whilst the team was doing OK most of us shoved this to the back of our collective minds.

 

Rupert & Co were challenged on the dealings with the club by the SISA activists who, in turn were ridiculed, by some as trouble makers.

 

I suppose at the end of the day many Pompey fans see their club as bigger and better than us.

 

Certainly when it comes to dodgy dealings they win hands down

[Tamesaint]

I've never boasted about anything. I didn't even come on here gloating

 

I hope you crossed your fingers when you wrote that!!

[suewhistle]

Whilst Rupert and Co were nowhere in the same League as the criminals at Pompey, they did get up to some unsavoury if not unlawful acts and whilst the team was doing OK most of us shoved this to the back of our collective minds.

 

I actually remember a fair bit of disquiet here and with friends down the pub about the reverse take-over, the attempt to get shares off of a holder on the cheap and the fact that you wouldn't want to buy a used car off of Wiseman.

[benjii]

The PL knew there was a problem with PFC but bottled taking action - a bit like Gordon Brown knew he should have reined in spending but tried to delay in the hope something would turn up. At best, imo, they probably thought some mysterious middle eastern gentleman they know nothing about was preferable to the son of a gun runner who was almost certainly laundering money through PFC, facing criminal charges and possibly bankruptcy. It wasnt in their interests to investigate Mirage too closely - instead just rubber stamp 'his' ownership and bat the problem into the long grass for a bit longer. So yes the PL failed PFC, and in allowing the charade to continue, failed the other clubs as well.

 

Exactly, with the addition that they then bent the rules to suit Portsmouth when it became widespread public knowledge that they were completely insolvent.

 

The FA also need to ask themselves why they did not throw them out of the FA Cup.

[benjii]

a good point there about the 'unusual activity' going back years, it wasn't a problem when 250,000 of the bestest were out there celebrating...

 

the Prem may have failed to prevent dodgy ownership change but the club was trading insolvently at that point so it saved the club from serious damage.

 

The main problem with the few moaning about the Prem shafting the club was the fact that the authorities were clearly misled in january with false accounts allowing new players in that they couldn't afford, strengthening the team for the cup win at St Marys and the resultant cup run - both of which the few lapped up, pretending even now that it wasn't all illegal.

You can't have your 4-1 and moan about the authorities who allowed O'Hara etc etc to sign.

 

Yes the prem failed the club on ownership, but supported it through extreme leniency and advanced monies.

And the FA allowed the club to continue in the competition, thus allowing pfc to technically qualify for Europe, a hilarious situation that looks like it will cost £500K of vital income.

 

Without the help of the nasty Prem there would be no pfc now. [/QUOTE]

 

Exactly.

[benjii]

Let's not kid ourselves. If Saints had been in a similar situation we would, mostly, have enjoyed the ride. However, I would like to think that we would also act with some humility and recognise that the victories might have been hollow ones.

 

Take CH, for example. He comes on and writes posts alledging all sorts of illegality on the part of people involved in Portsmouth but yet maintains his smug facade around the cup win, even though it is obvious that it was built upon taking out liabilities that could never realistically be serviced for whatever motive the then owner had in mind.

[dubai_phil]

Sorry mate, rewriting history again. I've never boasted about anything.

 

Prior to FF's actions in opening this thread, we had a lenghty few hundred pages relating to our Admin and takeover.

 

In the midst of our period of exclusivity, you came onto that thread reporting that an Arab had been spotted at NottArf. You then came on to say he was a billionaire and then we were introduced to Al Fahim.

 

Just in case you had forgotten that part of history, on page one & two of this thread it shows how "His Backers" had mysteriously pulled out and yet he had kept pushing on with the takeover so as not to lose face. ie your rich Emirati wasn't rich and he was simply the front man for an even dodgier consortium, widely believed and reported in the media as being likely to have been Taksin Shinawatara.

 

So no, I didn't re-write history, unfortunately, the main Saints Forum only runs to 7 pages (back to October) and back in those days we didn't have a golden thread section, so I'll stick with my memory of that incident if it's alright with you.

 

So, back on the main point I was making, YOU guys hold your fate in your hands now. So the paper caused the protests to be cancelled. Why?

 

Again, why don't one of your supporter groups (there MUST be a lawyer somewhere that supports your lot) see if you can start demanding a public enquiry or better still pass a complaint to the fraud squad.

 

The mess stinks, you see that, so let's start seeing some press releases that you are doing stuff. If the News won't post it, use one of the many Fleet Street hacks who we have linked on here, they're starting to smell a story.

[Sheaf Saint]

Sorry mate, rewriting history again. I've never boasted about anything.

 

You seem to have a very selective memory Corp. Do you not recall coming on here and boasting about how the new owners were going to get Maradonna in as an ambassador and sign Riquelme? Because everyone else does.

[pedg]

You seem to have a very selective memory Corp. Do you not recall coming on here and boasting about how the new owners were going to get Maradonna in as an ambassador and sign Riquelme? Because everyone else does.

 

Perhaps we are ungenerously comparing boasting with deluded rambling?

[rallyboy]

so with the sale of Blackburn the going rate for an average Prem club is now £23M, plus the £20M debt to service.

 

PFC looks VERY expensive once again.

[FloridaMarlin]

so with the sale of Blackburn the going rate for an average Prem club is now £23M, plus the £20M debt to service.

 

PFC looks VERY expensive once again.

 

And that for a club with a Premier League infrastructure, such as decent ground, and training facilities.

[eurosaint]

And that for a club with a Premier League infrastructure, such as decent ground, and training facilities.

 

TBF, they don't have the 'bestest fans in the whole wide world' though, do they ??

[mack rill]

so with the sale of Blackburn the going rate for an average Prem club is now £23M, plus the £20M debt to service.

 

PFC looks VERY expensive once again.

 

Yer but! look wot your getting,,A true piece of footyball history, Antique even, A ground with a moat, The Bestest fans in the whole wide World (wear talking quality not quantity) not to many overheads,(fanks mu lord),,,No room for expanding, so no big outlay there,, As we are an island there could be a few tax concessions an-all. the list of positives must be endless,