sunrise Posted 17 November, 2009 Share Posted 17 November, 2009 Who gives a toss if they sink or swim? I for one don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 17 November, 2009 Share Posted 17 November, 2009 they must be a long way from safe. Many debts are still there and all these new loans will need repayments already (unless they have gone for the DFS interest free credit option) so the crippling overheads have been increased. If they have delayed repayments then come the summer they will have significant amounts to pay back to the arms dealer, his loans have to be cleared in about two years (?) and they will have millions to pay back on these new short term loans. Over the next six months they could need to find maybe £20M lump sum for loans plus £10M wages, £5M general overheads (?), £10M for tax, £3M old transfers, £5M for new players in Jan (?). Other clubs know their predicament and won't want to stagger payments too much. That's over £50M needed by May - while projected income for that period from Sky - £12M?, and through the turnstiles, sponsorship etc - £3to4M? = a little bit of a shortfall.... A new long term owner they would need to pour £100M into the black hole by 10am on day one to start turning the club round - two hopes on that one. On the pitch the team is poor and they have a difficult run coming up, followed by a loss of players in January they could be 6pts from safety by then (a small gap on paper but huge on grass), assuming that there is no further investigation into financial irregularities that spawns a penalty. After Christmas the real state of affairs will be exposed. Teams at the bottom will need to sort problems, if Pompey go and get a couple of cheap additions (Finnan-style) we will know that there is no money there - and what player with ambition will want to go there anyway? They will be looking at Prem and Championship rejects who will want long contracts. 'fancy a six month contract to join the Titanic?'.... If they are in good financial health they will spend in the first few days of Jan - personally I don't think they will be able to unless this elusive miracle billionaire appears. They are just delaying the inevitable hoping that something comes up. If they stay up they could ride the storm by continually delaying repayments until the Sky money comes in. But if they go down they are doomed, it's a big gamble but they are in far too deep and have no choice but to keep on gambling with the club's future, when not in court Storrie is in the last chance saloon with a handful of $hit. And a final note on these generous financial institutions, they aren't lending out of generosity, they are circling like vultures. If I had a spare £5M I would be straight down there to lend it to them. I would secure it on my very demanding terms against anything that wasn't nailed down knowing that they would default and I could then asset strip the business and eventually make a killing on the land. It's a tough world and they are swimming with sharks. IMO if they go on a bad run of five or six consecutive defeats and slip further adrift it's over - it will be time to cut the playing squad and prepare for a survival battle in the Championship, possibly with a ten point penalty. Could be an interesting few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 17 November, 2009 Share Posted 17 November, 2009 got horrible feeling they are over the worst, will stabilise financially and other clubs in easy reach in prem agreed With the transfer ban lifted they must be no worse than other clubs in the PL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 17 November, 2009 Share Posted 17 November, 2009 agreed With the transfer ban lifted they must be no worse than other clubs in the PL But surely to play in the transfer market you have to have money :smt102 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 agreed With the transfer ban lifted they must be no worse than other clubs in the PL Has it been lifted? I don't see anything on the beeb except for SAF saying it will be soon, will be soon, will be soon and he is giving the club rights to the land he doesn't own! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Don't think it has been lifted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 (edited) Has it been lifted? I don't see anything on the beeb except for SAF saying it will be soon, will be soon, will be soon and he is giving the club rights to the land he doesn't own! Looks like it will be...... http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/newshome/10m-loan-will-secure-Pompey.5829771.jp Well,maybe not just yet...... http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2734748/Pompey-stuck-with-buying-ban.html Edited 18 November, 2009 by saint lard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 this modest loan will sort the old transfers and the wages until February-ish. The taxman can have the Sky money in Jan, the plan must be to try and make it to the summer when the big payments are due and to pull the plug if relegated. Just another £35-40M to find and they will have turned a corner, as long as no one imposes too much interest on the loans or calls them in. I hope Barclays don't get twitchy when they see the additional repayments going out of an overdrawn account, they have history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Looks like it will be...... http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/newshome/10m-loan-will-secure-Pompey.5829771.jp "Al Fahim also said work to transform Fratton Park into a 32,000-seater stadium was due to begin in March." Oh for goodness sake. When will this guy learn to shut up with the idle promises? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Majestic Channon Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Farton park is clearly too big for them as it is . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 "Nice to see some good news at last. Maybe, just maybe, a 32000 seater is all that we need at the moment." NO SH!T SHERLOCK Quote above from the comments part of the portsmouth link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 "Nice to see some good news at last. Maybe, just maybe, a 32000 seater is all that we need at the moment." NO SH!T SHERLOCK Quote above from the comments part of the portsmouth link That's just stadium envy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 "Al Fahim also said work to transform Fratton Park into a 32,000-seater stadium was due to begin in March." Oh for goodness sake. When will this guy learn to shut up with the idle promises? Do they still have planning permission based on the original plans or did that expire? If the latter, they'll need to reapply for PP, which clearly won't be ready for a March start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Not takeover related, but more bad news for their supporters... http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/TechandScience/Story/STIStory_456055.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Do they still have planning permission based on the original plans or did that expire? If the latter, they'll need to reapply for PP, which clearly won't be ready for a March start It astounds me that he makes these statements (seemingly) without any regard for his ability to actually deliver. That any poopey fan listens to a word he says is farcical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimond Geezer Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Not takeover related, but more bad news for their supporters... http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/TechandScience/Story/STIStory_456055.html Which one is David James the flapper skate (Dipturus intermedia) or the blue skate (Dipturus flossada)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 "Al Fahim also said work to transform Fratton Park into a 32,000-seater stadium was due to begin in March." Oh for goodness sake. When will this guy learn to shut up with the idle promises? If they are to host world cup games in 2018, wont the stadium require a minimum of 40,000 capacity ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 18 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 18 November, 2009 If they are to host world cup games in 2018, wont the stadium require a minimum of 40,000 capacity ? Yea but don't tell them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 "Al Fahim also said work to transform Fratton Park into a 32,000-seater stadium was due to begin in March." Oh for goodness sake. When will this guy learn to shut up with the idle promises? O come on Clappy! Sheik-yer-tonsils may of said March, BUT! he didnee say wot year, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 O come on Clappy! Sheik-yer-tonsils may of said March, BUT! he didnee say wot year, I stand corrected. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 18 November, 2009 Share Posted 18 November, 2009 Not takeover related, but more bad news for their supporters... http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/TechandScience/Story/STIStory_456055.html "The blue skate is in sharp decline but is still a viable species, the study says." I beg to differ. Extinction by next summer, I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 "The blue skate is in sharp decline but is still a viable species, the study says." I beg to differ. Extinction by next summer, I reckon. You're a charitable chap DM... Do you really give them THAT long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 Am I missing something here, they have yet another 10-million loan to go with last months 5-million loan + the month before 5 million loan. plus the initial debt which they said had reduced to 10 million. plus the 9-million that Fahim owes Gydermack as the short term loan to secure his short term takeover (and that is just what we know). not forgetting the 10 million they owe HMRC. As the two 5 million loans were to pay off wages & incidentals, you have to assume that the wage bill is probably in excess of 3.5 million per month. How the hell will this new 10 million loan possibly stabilise the situation. 10 +5 +5 +10 +9 =39 million So at a conservative estimate they are 39/40 million in the hole as of now. So Jan to April another 4 months wages another 12 million plus to find before they can get any season ticket income in April. The only income is the small amount of gate receipts, and their Jan sky money (which seems to be spoken for already) How can they possibly be in a position to buy players in Jan. Pure fantasy to suggest they can start on there much vaunted training facility's & rebuilding Farton Carp. All they seem to be doing is buying time, to get deeper into debt. Or am I missing something here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 19 November, 2009 Share Posted 19 November, 2009 that's how I see it, though I think they have got the wage bill down to one and a half-ish. see my lengthy and boring post 3455 for a similar bit of maths. The ground and training ground are the least of their problems, as are the results if we are guessing correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 20 November, 2009 Share Posted 20 November, 2009 that's how I see it, though I think they have got the wage bill down to one and a half-ish. see my lengthy and boring post 3455 for a similar bit of maths. The ground and training ground are the least of their problems, as are the results if we are guessing correctly. Don't do yourself down mate. Post 3455 was a classic. Definitely not lengthy nor boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribbo Posted 20 November, 2009 Share Posted 20 November, 2009 Am I missing something here, they have yet another 10-million loan to go with last months 5-million loan + the month before 5 million loan. plus the initial debt which they said had reduced to 10 million. plus the 9-million that Fahim owes Gydermack as the short term loan to secure his short term takeover (and that is just what we know). not forgetting the 10 million they owe HMRC. As the two 5 million loans were to pay off wages & incidentals, you have to assume that the wage bill is probably in excess of 3.5 million per month. How the hell will this new 10 million loan possibly stabilise the situation. 10 +5 +5 +10 +9 =39 million So at a conservative estimate they are 39/40 million in the hole as of now. So Jan to April another 4 months wages another 12 million plus to find before they can get any season ticket income in April. The only income is the small amount of gate receipts, and their Jan sky money (which seems to be spoken for already) How can they possibly be in a position to buy players in Jan. Pure fantasy to suggest they can start on there much vaunted training facility's & rebuilding Farton Carp. All they seem to be doing is buying time, to get deeper into debt. Or am I missing something here? did you leave out the money they owe pini zahivi + other agents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 20 November, 2009 Share Posted 20 November, 2009 did you leave out the money they owe pini zahivi + other agents? Yes I did good spot. Probably missed out a hell of a lot more we don't know about Ribbo. Truth be known they are probably a lot deeper in the hole than I or rallyboy have suggested. The worst thing for Poopey is that they don't even seem to know who owns the real estate around the Shed & who owns the Shed. If Gydermack still owns the real estate then they are truly F**ked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 20 November, 2009 Share Posted 20 November, 2009 So Fahim doesn't own the real estate then!!? I am getting very confused as to who owns what! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 November, 2009 Share Posted 20 November, 2009 So Fahim doesn't own the real estate then!!? I am getting very confused as to who owns what! Supposedly SAF had first option to buy it but whether he has or not is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 20 November, 2009 Share Posted 20 November, 2009 last suggestion was that Fahim has an agreement with the arms dealer to buy the land for a small sum should he pay him back the amounts agreed at that 1st change of ownership - they are hefty debts (£25-30M?) that are due over the next two years. If Fahim or the club struggle to repay what the former owner is owed, landmine boy will have full control over the adjacent land and any development of the ground, and therefore control of assets that must be securing other loans. This web of confusion further discourages the chances of getting a new owner, the last two have done due diligence and still seemed to have no grasp of the debt situation until they were in. We were a failed business with a good ground, some simple debt and a fanbase - and that didn't sell too easily. If a loan secured against the ground was called in they could become a broke business with no home, no land, and no Prem income (the only assets). The arms dealer would have no qualms about stripping the last useful bits out of a failed business, so he still holds the cards by having money owed to him, and Fahim is vital to the current owners if they want to use the land - he is more shrewd than we thought as he owns 10% of the business but is key to redevelopment and has to be kept happy. All assets must now be vulnerable to failed loan repayments - they must be in a very precarious position. The only answer is huge investment, not loans, cash - and it has to be enough to see off Laurel and Hardy and the gun runner. They need £50M, maybe £75M, and I reckon they need it within three months. Mr Fry, fire up your Bentley, Portsmouth is calling......well, reversing the charges actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastcowzer Posted 21 November, 2009 Share Posted 21 November, 2009 Don't worry boys. Ned Krapp will return to his spiritual home and PS will see off the City of London Constabulary, so everything will be back to normal soon. Alas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 21 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 November, 2009 last suggestion was that Fahim has an agreement with the arms dealer to buy the land for a small sum should he pay him back the amounts agreed at that 1st change of ownership - they are hefty debts (£25-30M?) that are due over the next two years. If Fahim or the club struggle to repay what the former owner is owed, landmine boy will have full control over the adjacent land and any development of the ground, and therefore control of assets that must be securing other loans. This web of confusion further discourages the chances of getting a new owner, the last two have done due diligence and still seemed to have no grasp of the debt situation until they were in. We were a failed business with a good ground, some simple debt and a fanbase - and that didn't sell too easily. If a loan secured against the ground was called in they could become a broke business with no home, no land, and no Prem income (the only assets). The arms dealer would have no qualms about stripping the last useful bits out of a failed business, so he still holds the cards by having money owed to him, and Fahim is vital to the current owners if they want to use the land - he is more shrewd than we thought as he owns 10% of the business but is key to redevelopment and has to be kept happy. All assets must now be vulnerable to failed loan repayments - they must be in a very precarious position. The only answer is huge investment, not loans, cash - and it has to be enough to see off Laurel and Hardy and the gun runner. They need £50M, maybe £75M, and I reckon they need it within three months. Mr Fry, fire up your Bentley, Portsmouth is calling......well, reversing the charges actually. rallyboy - please keep up your daily progress reports on the health of the ailing Poopey - they are becoming compulsive reading. They always start my day off so well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 21 November, 2009 Share Posted 21 November, 2009 My guess is that Gaydamak knows that it is inevitable that PFC will go into admin at some point, even if they stay up this year they are just buying time. Without serious investment by someone willing to chuck millions down a black hole or a footballing miracle it will only end in administration in the Championship. By keeping fartton park or just the land around it he keeps the only thing that will have any value, if a Leibherr type wants to pick them up for a snip after admin they will want to buy the land of Gaydamack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey-deacons-left-nut Posted 21 November, 2009 Share Posted 21 November, 2009 so the club goes tits up and wipes out any debt the fella owes (the new owners have guranteed his debt?), but because he no longer owns the club, but still owns the land he gets to keep it.....perhaps recouping the money he's invested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 21 November, 2009 Share Posted 21 November, 2009 My guess is that Gaydamak knows that it is inevitable that PFC will go into admin at some point, even if they stay up this year they are just buying time. Without serious investment by someone willing to chuck millions down a black hole or a footballing miracle it will only end in administration in the Championship. By keeping fartton park or just the land around it he keeps the only thing that will have any value, if a Leibherr type wants to pick them up for a snip after admin they will want to buy the land of Gaydamack. Spot on IMO so the club goes tits up and wipes out any debt the fella owes (the new owners have guranteed his debt?), but because he no longer owns the club, but still owns the land he gets to keep it.....perhaps recouping the money he's invested? When PFC goes into admin the administrator will try to sell the company's assets. Unfortunately for the blue few it doesn't appear that the stadium and surrounding land belong to PFC. Anybody wanting to buy the club would have to negotiate to buy the club from the administrator and then separately with Gaydamac to buy the stadium. They could of course continue to rent the stadium from Gaydamack but that leaves them in the same position with a stadium generating enough revenue to sustain them in L1 but not much higher. Gaydamak has played this brilliantly IMO. He would never have got away with keeping the stadium and land if he hadn't been selling to SAF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 22 November, 2009 Share Posted 22 November, 2009 Cuckoo, cuckoo http://www.goal.com/en/news/89/africa/2009/11/22/1640167/egypts-amr-zaki-rules-out-portsmouth-move-because-i-dont-wish-to- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 22 November, 2009 Share Posted 22 November, 2009 Cuckoo, cuckoo http://www.goal.com/en/news/89/africa/2009/11/22/1640167/egypts-amr-zaki-rules-out-portsmouth-move-because-i-dont-wish-to- Why doesn't he tell the truth and just say he doesn't want to sign for such a sh!t club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 22 November, 2009 Share Posted 22 November, 2009 Old joke but worth repeating A new Primary Teacher at a school near Fratton Park explains to her class that she is an ardent Pompey fan. She asks her kids to raise their hands if they too are Pompey fans. Everyone in the class raises their hand except one little girl. The teacher looks at the girl with surprise and says, 'Mary, why didn't you raise your hand?' 'Because I'm not a Pompey fan' she replied. The teacher, still shocked, asked 'Well, if you are not a Pompey fan, then who are you a fan of?' 'I am a Saints fan and proud of it' Mary replied. The teacher could not believe her ears. 'Mary, why are you a Saints fan?' 'Because my mum is a Saints fan and my dad is a Saints fan, so I'm a Saints fan too!' 'Well' said the teacher in an obviously annoyed tone 'that is no reason for you to be a Saints fan. You don't have to be just like your parents all of the time. What if your mum was a prostitute and your dad was an out-of-work drug addict, what would you be then?' Mary smiled, 'Then I'd be a Pompey fan!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 22 November, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 November, 2009 The Observer is reporting today that there may be at least another week to wait before the embargo is lifted (if at all) despite the club saying on Monday it would happen within 48 hours. Also Grant's work permit is still not granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 22 November, 2009 Share Posted 22 November, 2009 The Observer is reporting today that there may be at least another week to wait before the embargo is lifted (if at all) despite the club saying on Monday it would happen within 48 hours. Also Grant's work permit is still not granted. Mama Cass once sang "And it's getting better......." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 November, 2009 Share Posted 22 November, 2009 c'mon STOKE lets hope beattie gives them a good scumming....whilst wearing red and white.. im sure he is dying to score..I hope he does..would love to see his reaction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 22 November, 2009 Share Posted 22 November, 2009 Sorensen = legend. Saves a skate pen and earns me 5 Fantasy League points in the process. I love you Tommy S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 22 November, 2009 Share Posted 22 November, 2009 Delap boots Dindane in the chops. Skates miss penalty. James injured in the warm up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 22 November, 2009 Share Posted 22 November, 2009 Delap boots Dindane in the chops. Skates miss penalty. James injured in the warm up. Another goalkeeping injury and agent OAP Anti will be in prime position to deliver the Red Squirrel to the Aging Octopus's amputee cousin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 22 November, 2009 Share Posted 22 November, 2009 Good old Ricardo. I always liked him!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 22 November, 2009 Share Posted 22 November, 2009 That may be the most I've ever celebrated a Fuller goal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 22 November, 2009 Share Posted 22 November, 2009 Conversation with a skate, via text: Cough, cough, 'DOWN COZ YOU'RE POMPEY, YOU'RE GOING DOWN COZ YOU'RE POMPEY, DOWN COZ YOU'RE POMPEY, YOU'RE GOING DOWN COZ YOU'RE POMPEY' 'Oh Fuller Fuller, he used to be a Skate, but he's alright now'. Remind me, how many pints are the SCUM on!! More than you. How many???? 13, that's 2 more wins than you, plus quarter finals of the mickey mouse painters club cup. Remember, we'd be 23 by now if not the minus 10. But hey, sure you'll be experiencing the minus ten syndrome soon That took u a while to come back. How many Southampton supporters did it take to count to 13!!! Do apologise for taking a while but I was replying to Andy, please don't think I was dumb and had to think about the point situation because trust me, I know the points. I just thought you were struggling past 10 as you only have two hands with 5 fingers on each!! I know you scummers can't multi task and do two things at once so I accept your apology!! Ok I did struggle, I used my 10 toes too. Where as you lot are lucky. You can count to 24, 5 fingers, 2 thumbs and 12 toes. Ha ha. How you doing anyway?.... ok? And by the way, it's 2 hands with 4 fingers on each and one thumb on each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 22 November, 2009 Share Posted 22 November, 2009 Conversation with a skate, via text: ok? And by the way, it's 2 hands with 4 fingers on each and one thumb on each. Can't they use the web between toes and fingers to count higher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 22 November, 2009 Share Posted 22 November, 2009 funny stat from today - they've only scored ten league goals all season - but their former strikers scored seven in one match this afternoon!.....which also put Pompey's four goal haul against Wigan into perspective. Delap kicks one of them in the head and they miss the penalty, and then one of the poorest strikers to ever pull on both a Saints and Pompey shirt pockets the points, very funny. In fact stop, this comedy has gone on far too long...it's TOO funny, I'm going to wet myself....who have they got next?....No!...don't joke, stop it!! If only they had a tenner to pay off Hart....might be time for a new loan? We had five years of misery, they have consolidated their misery with one simple phone call and are trying to cram it all into one season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 November, 2009 Share Posted 22 November, 2009 funny stat from today - they've only scored ten league goals all season - but their former strikers scored seven in one match this afternoon!.....which also put Pompey's four goal haul against Wigan into perspective. Delap kicks one of them in the head and they miss the penalty, and then one of the poorest strikers to ever pull on both a Saints and Pompey shirt pockets the points, very funny. In fact stop, this comedy has gone on far too long...it's TOO funny, I'm going to wet myself....who have they got next?....No!...don't joke, stop it!! If only they had a tenner to pay off Hart....might be time for a new loan? We had five years of misery, they have consolidated their misery with one simple phone call and are trying to cram it all into one season. haha great post.. just when things could not get any worse, they have the easy talk on playing man yoo next hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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