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BBCi news in brief confirms Liam Lawrence's permanent deal has fallen through, and Pompey want to sign him on loan

 

 

Discussions are still taking place between Portsmouth and football's top brass to find a loophole.

 

Portsmouth's plan B is thought to be an attempt to sign Lawrence on loan ahead of a permanent move when the transfer window re-opens in January.

 

But there is a limit of two loan players from the same parent club and Pompey already have Stoke duo Ibrahima Sonko and Carl Dickinson on their books.

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Discussions are still taking place between Portsmouth and football's top brass to find a loophole.

 

Portsmouth's plan B is thought to be an attempt to sign Lawrence on loan ahead of a permanent move when the transfer window re-opens in January.

 

But there is a limit of two loan players from the same parent club and Pompey already have Stoke duo Ibrahima Sonko and Carl Dickinson on their books.

 

I believe the Football League rules ONLY says that in section 51.1 which relates STANDARD LOANS, there are also EMERGENCY loans (section 51.2) which is how the CHEATS FC will get around it.

 

http://www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20100801/section-6-players_2284800_2125731#50

 

IMO the important bits are :-

50 ALL TEMPORARY LOANS

50.3.1 -

A maximum of 5 loan Players (Standard, Emergency or Youth) can be named in the Players listed on a team sheet for any individual match played under the auspices of The League.

 

50.3.2 -

Up to 4 loan Players (Standard, Emergency or Youth) may join one Club from another Club in any Season.

 

51.1 Standard Loans

51.1.1 - Full or Half season

51.1.3 -

A Club can have a maximum of 4 Players under 23 and a further 4 Players over 23 on a Standard Loan during any Season.

51.1.4

No more than 2 Players who are over 23 may join one Club from another Club on a Standard Loan in any Season.

 

51.2 Emergency and Youth Loans

51.2.2 Various dates, i.e. not for 7 days after close of Transfer Window etc.

51.2.7

...the minimum duration of any Emergency Loan and Youth Loan shall be 28 days and the maximum duration of an Emergency Loan is 93 days

Most of the rest on Emergency Loans relates to "Youth" players and GKs, I cannot see anything about numbers from one club, I think that 50.3.2 covers it.

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Weston Super Saint

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Club administrator Andrew Andrinikou is confident the matter will be resolved, but admits the club will move to land Lawrence on loan should a permanent deal fall through.

He told The News: '"The Lawrence deal has not been ratified by the Football League yet and we are still waiting to hear the outcome.

"Unfortunately, we are not Tottenham and are not allowed to have this issue sorted the next day as they did with Rafael van der Vaart.

"This sort of thing will only happen to us. There is proper brinkmanship going on just because we are Portsmouth Football Club.

 

PFC You get what you deserve now just die as a club

 

Lol.

 

I suspect it has something to do with Tottenham being controlled by the PREMIER LEAGUE and Pompey by the FOOTBALL LEAGUE.

 

Perhaps AA is now finding out how they work in entirely different ways :D

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Merovingian

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its 51.1.4 . Dickinson is 23 , so its whether the rule means 23 is ok or if it means the player has to be under 23.

 

I think thats where we will "get away" with it so to speak, I have no doubt at all the LL transfer will go through as a loan for now and now we have signed rocha I suspect sonko wont play so the restriction of number of loans in the squad on matchday maybe eased somewhat

 

I understand you continuing to call us cheats but if the football league are allowing it why would any club in the same situation not exploit it.

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I believe the Football League rules ONLY says that in section 51.1 which relates STANDARD LOANS, there are also EMERGENCY loans (section 51.2) which is how the CHEATS FC will get around it.

 

http://www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20100801/section-6-players_2284800_2125731#50

 

IMO the important bits are :-

50 ALL TEMPORARY LOANS

50.3.1 -

 

50.3.2 -

 

51.1 Standard Loans

51.1.1 - Full or Half season

51.1.3 -

 

51.1.4

 

 

51.2 Emergency and Youth Loans

51.2.2 Various dates, i.e. not for 7 days after close of Transfer Window etc.

51.2.7

Most of the rest on Emergency Loans relates to "Youth" players and GKs, I cannot see anything about numbers from one club, I think that 50.3.2 covers it.

 

The only crumb is that 93 days only takes them to early Dec not Jan as an emergency loan

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Dark Munster

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With the exception of HMRC, who, if they don't get their enormous 20p in the pound - plus 100% of current NI and tax contributions - will no doubt be back in court slapping on another winding up order ;)

If so, let's hope that HMRC have now had enough practice not to bugger it up again (and they get a judge other than Injustice Mann or the tart who let them off the first time).

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It is believed that Portsmouth lodged the paperwork for his transfer 15 minutes too late for it to be registered by the FA and Premier League.

Discussions are still taking place between Portsmouth and football's top brass to find a loophole.

Which is the only thing they're good at.

Cheating, lying bastards.

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Hmmmm. Embargo to be lifted. Well that's nice for them. What a way to run a company. Being told you were insolvent by a judge, to then being let off the hook by another judge who lets you wipe out £80m odd of debt so that you can go on your merry way and one man (the owner to be) can make money at the expense of everyone else.

 

What I did find interesting in another article on the News was:

Andronikou told The News: 'The owners put in a £1m bid for Charlie Austin and that was turned down.
I am a little confused, but I presume he is referring to Chainrai. Has Chainrai actually taken over or is he still waiting for approval?? And it is nice to see that they took scant regard of the embargo that was placed on them and carried on trading as if nothing had happened.

 

I was thinking that it would be a shame if they were liquidated just for a block of flats to rise from the ashes. But now I really wouldn't care if that happened. Good luck to the supporters, but I hope Chainrai and Android get really badly shafted.

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The Old Codger

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What a gift!

 

AA: everything is in place, the FL just have to sit down blah blah blah

 

then....

 

AA: we just have to provide cash-flow forecasts......

 

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/Andronikou-and-Pompey-set-for.6519116.jp

 

 

AA: the owners made a £1m bid for Austen

 

 

"the owners"?! Who would that be then!

 

Some serious fun to be had with various storries up there this morning!

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sadly the toaster has packed up and the bread will come out fresh and untouched. I might put some money on them going up. if they really were thinking of paying £1m for a player they must be considering going for it.

 

Not sure that they are really going for it. I do think that Chainrai probably wants to put in the minimum to secure his investment and see how well they do this season. If they get relegated then he will find it harder to offload the club and that must be avoided at all costs. If they get into the play offs it will show that the club is more attractive or, God forbid, if they manage to get promoted (which they won't) then he is rolling in it. If they do get promoted in the next 5 years, I would hope that a judge would look at things retrospectively and order certain payments to creditors (above and beyond the joke extra 5%), but I guess there is about as much chance of this happening as pigs flying.

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ottery st mary

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Lawrence going through as emergency loan, he'll be at training tomorrow. Am surprised the league are doing us a favour

 

Not so sure about training.....

 

Told he went to see his solicitor about suing Pompey about the mess they caused....allegedly..

 

Same source was told he turned up for training with Pompey and saw the shambles and drove

the short distance to the ground of Eastleigh and asked if he could sign for them......

 

The League said you are not allowed to sign for a bigger club in this situation..

 

My source is a Pompey supporting lad ..so maybe not always helpful when talking about footer...

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Lawrence going through as emergency loan, he'll be at training tomorrow. Am surprised the league are doing us a favour
Think they are trying to sort out the mess for the players benefit rather than Pompey's tbh. Not his fault and doesnt deserve to be left to rot till Xmas/.
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they would do better avoiding future transfer windows, it sounds like chaos.

 

How can Lampitt not be capable of completing a simple transfer?

And how can he allow third parties to make phantom bids on behalf of the business he's meant to be running?

 

And the one we've been asking for a while -

Why is a company in administration that appears to be trading insolvently, looking to increase it's overheads?

 

You knew where you were with Storrie, he might have paid three times the commercial value for players signed under odd circumstances and he made tax 'errors', but at least he grasped the concept of time.

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they would do better avoiding future transfer windows, it sounds like chaos.

 

How can Lampitt not be capable of completing a simple transfer?

And how can he allow third parties to make phantom bids on behalf of the business he's meant to be running?

 

And the one we've been asking for a while -

Why is a company in administration that appears to be trading insolvently, looking to increase it's overheads?

You knew where you were with Storrie, he might have paid three times the commercial value for players signed under odd circumstances and he made tax 'errors', but at least he grasped the concept of time.

 

Anyone would think Chainrai wanted them to go bust. . . . . . . . (eventually)

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You have to laugh really - Tommy Smith's move to QPR hasn't been allowed because of an admin error. What bunch of amateur clowns are running the Phew?

 

Oh look at that all sorts of odd delays and annoying things not happening.

 

No doubt there will be lots of odd ref decisions as well during games.

 

Damned fine thing when you are on the right side of Karma.

 

Life is pretty sh1t when you're on the wrong side or the very poopey side of it

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See a certain Registrar Derrett has wound up Ilkeston this afternoon?

 

After a two-minute hearing, Registrar Derrett sealed the club's fate when she said: "I'm sorry, the company is plainly insolvent and I therefore make the final compulsory order."

 

Could quite easily have said the same about Cheats FC.

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See a certain Registrar Derrett has wound up Ilkeston this afternoon?

 

 

 

Could quite easily have said the same about Cheats FC.

 

I seem to remember Derrett saying "the company is plainly insolvent" part in the Pompey court case. This ultimately is the problem. And AA/Chainrai know it, and it's why AA will forever churn out the "poor Pompey" PR.

 

IMO Until Pompey get hit with widespread negative PR about what has been going on, no high court judge will have the guts to wind them up or any other Premiership/football club in the top 3 or 4 divisions. The very top of the industry appears to be above the law.

 

Alternatively it may happen if the conspiracy theorists are right and Chainrai liquidates the club once he has stripped it of all possible assets, it'll go nicely with some PR from AA about how "we had no other choice because of the evil FL, it's everyone's fault except Pompey's etc.etc."

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Ilkeston debt is minuscule compared to the Cheating bastards down the road.

 

I bet HMRC are so pleases they have sent such a massive club to the wall £50k is what they owed and they didn cheat their way to cup competitons

 

Also while Im on it I would be suprised if the clowns at the HMRC are given Millions of pounds back to the skates because they took too much off them in the first place

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Come on then, anyone think that the Tommy Smith deal is a bit of a con?

 

NO club is THAT STUPID to foul up such a deal, they've done it on purpose.

 

Something along the lines of 'well we triiiiied to get rid of him, so can we not count him in the 20? OKTHXBYE!'

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Come on then, anyone think that the Tommy Smith deal is a bit of a con?

 

NO club is THAT STUPID to foul up such a deal, they've done it on purpose.

 

How about the FL giving them a special dispensation. After all AA is complaining that they never get a break.

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All aboard!! The train crash is back on and AA is getting up some steam!!

 

'Gone are the days when extraordinary pay packets put this club in financial trouble.

 

'Nowadays we are looking at a budget of £13-15m this season and around

£10m for next season if we retain our Championship status.

 

'However, in the cases of Kitson and Lawrence, we have had to push the boat out a little.

 

'Their wages are £19,000s and £20,000s but it is something we are comfortable with.

 

 

The madness continues.

They are still outbidding some Prem clubs like Blackpool, Wolves and Wigan.

 

There has been a very half-hearted attempt at reducing wages, they have maybe six players who are earning Prem figures, the business forecasts are now flawed, the CVA is unworkable, the attempt to return to the Prem on someone else's money continues....

 

I think Lampitt and the FL has some questions to answer, not a good announcement for AA to make in the build up to a big meeting - by paying these huge amounts it's obvious they intend to launch a promotion bid, this isn't a club stabilising - without the income or new investment it looks a little bit like cheating.

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All aboard!! The train crash is back on and AA is getting up some steam!!

 

'Gone are the days when extraordinary pay packets put this club in financial trouble.

 

'Nowadays we are looking at a budget of £13-15m this season and around

£10m for next season if we retain our Championship status.

 

'However, in the cases of Kitson and Lawrence, we have had to push the boat out a little.

 

'Their wages are £19,000s and £20,000s but it is something we are comfortable with.

 

 

The madness continues.

They are still outbidding some Prem clubs like Blackpool, Wolves and Wigan.

 

There has been a very half-hearted attempt at reducing wages, they have maybe six players who are earning Prem figures, the business forecasts are now flawed, the CVA is unworkable, the attempt to return to the Prem on someone else's money continues....

 

I think Lampitt and the FL has some questions to answer, not a good announcement for AA to make in the build up to a big meeting - by paying these huge amounts it's obvious they intend to launch a promotion bid, this isn't a club stabilising - without the income or new investment it looks a little bit like cheating.

 

they know that a dash back for PL riches is worth a shout. Chanrai is very wealthy and could easily put in a bot of money as a calculated gamble. The CCC is not that strong this season.

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All aboard!! The train crash is back on and AA is getting up some steam!!

 

'Gone are the days when extraordinary pay packets put this club in financial trouble.

 

'Nowadays we are looking at a budget of £13-15m this season and around

£10m for next season if we retain our Championship status.

 

'However, in the cases of Kitson and Lawrence, we have had to push the boat out a little.

 

'Their wages are £19,000s and £20,000s but it is something we are comfortable with.

 

 

The madness continues.

They are still outbidding some Prem clubs like Blackpool, Wolves and Wigan.

 

There has been a very half-hearted attempt at reducing wages, they have maybe six players who are earning Prem figures, the business forecasts are now flawed, the CVA is unworkable, the attempt to return to the Prem on someone else's money continues....

 

I think Lampitt and the FL has some questions to answer, not a good announcement for AA to make in the build up to a big meeting - by paying these huge amounts it's obvious they intend to launch a promotion bid, this isn't a club stabilising - without the income or new investment it looks a little bit like cheating.

 

I think it would be safe to assume that if they are paying that kind of money to them 2 and publicly stating it, the other players already at the club are probably not within the 10k wage limit either.

 

The likes of Kanu, Rocha, Mullins, Nugent, Mokoena and Utaka are never going to be within that limit.

 

The fishy smell down there is awful and I cant believe the press still pump out the poor old poopy message. Someone else mentioned it before somewhere in this thread, until the press turn on them they will continue to flick the V's and get away with what ever they can. Chairmen of other clubs might not want to stick up for them in the past and current chairmen might have the same view. But until they get a public kicking in the press the rest of the country will stick up for them and feel soory for how bad things have got for them.

 

Sickening when you see other clubs get into trouble and have to really work hard to make things right.

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Lawrence going through as emergency loan, he'll be at training tomorrow. Am surprised the league are doing us a favour

 

Must be nice to have a player who does'nt want to be there, even before he's stepped through the door.

By the way who will be paying his wages, until the 11th December, (the Emergency Loan cut-off date) ? Stoke or 'The Cheats'

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What a whining, hysterical bunch of little girls you lot are. Nearly 700 pages of sanctimonious hand wringing, pathetically trying to dress your hatred of Pompey up as concern for charities and schools.

 

Give up, you sound truly, truly pathetic

 

Problem is a lot of it has been facts, or educated guesses that have turned out to be facts

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Must be nice to have a player who does'nt want to be there, even before he's stepped through the door.

By the way who will be paying his wages, until the 11th December, (the Emergency Loan cut-off date) ? Stoke or 'The Cheats'

 

He apparently was happy to join and has quoted as such. Only the lazy journos said he wasn't. You can convert a loan to perm anytime in the season by the way

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He apparently was happy to join and has quoted as such. Only the lazy journos said he wasn't. You can convert a loan to perm anytime in the season by the way

 

Standard loan perhaps, but not an emergency loan, which these all are. He has to go back before 93 days is up.

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http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/O39Brien-goes-out-on-loan.6522180.jp

 

So despite moaning about a threadbare squad, and lacking cover for positions, they send their third choice 'keeper out on loan? Words fail me... Or are they getting ready to announce David James returning on a £35k pw emergency loan deal?

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What a whining, hysterical bunch of little girls you lot are. Nearly 700 pages of sanctimonious hand wringing, pathetically trying to dress your hatred of Pompey up as concern for charities and schools.

 

Give up, you sound truly, truly pathetic

 

i am sure we are not dressing our hatred up as a concern for charities & schools...it is just pure hatred for your cheating club as a whole !

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What a whining, hysterical bunch of little girls you lot are. Nearly 700 pages of sanctimonious hand wringing, pathetically trying to dress your hatred of Pompey up as concern for charities and schools.

 

Give up, you sound truly, truly pathetic

 

Corps hit the nail on the head here. Your dislike for us is no different than ours for you lot. Main difference is we don't try to dress it up as something it isn't. This thread really has done no one any credit.

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Problem is a lot of it has been facts, or educated guesses that have turned out to be facts

 

Nothing discovered on here that hadn't been doing the round amoungst my fellow Pompey fans for a long, long time. The fact that most Pompey fans (Including myself) chose to bury their heads in the sand is neither here nor there. It's no different than what MOST saints fans are doing regarding the person running your club RIGHT now, Some know the score and understand what kind of fella is at the helm, Many don't wish to believe it (Though know somethings not quite right) and others are in complete ignorance through no fault of their own.

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