Merovingian Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Therefore, he hasn't had to prove his worth. I still don't see what your getting at - why should this be a problem for Al Faraj compared with anyone else ? What factual reasons are there right now to suggest he should not pass ? And vice versa. So until he has been through it why worry - I cannot forsee any reason - we all knew the doc was dodgy, look how long he took to complete. Al Faraj comes in within 1 week and owns the club and pays the bills. People with money act quickly with less talk - as you should know with your new owner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 No - I believe the changes went through in July - anyone with over a 10% shareholding had to undergo strict financial scrutiny - therefore as a 90% owner he will have to do the same - whats changed since July ? the premier league has to investigate his background anyway as stated with their new ownership rules He went through the same F&P as Doc when Storrie attempted a coup, and lost. The rules changed after that. He has not had top provide evidence of wealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merovingian Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 He went through the same F&P as Doc when Storrie attempted a coup, and lost. The rules changed after that. He has not had top provide evidence of wealth. have replied - and judging by the fact we need £16.5M within 7 days I would suggest he knows this and has the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 I still don't see what your getting at I'm merely suggesting that pompey fans shouldn't get too far ahead of themselves regarding spending the arabs money. Although it was hilarious the last time they did (I exclude you from that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 have replied - and judging by the fact we need £16.5M within 7 days I would suggest he knows this and has the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merovingian Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 I'm merely suggesting that pompey fans shouldn't get too far ahead of themselves regarding spending the arabs money. Although it was hilarious the last time they did (I exclude you from that). lol - most of us aren't - of course we do have alot of morons who assume we are now Man Citeh ! When we get to January we will soon find out, if we do not see the fibre of his fabric then we'll know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporate Ho Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 No he would not, but re-read the article, he expressly included the phrase "His Contacts" did not know him. That is a different kettle of fish completely. The way this area works is that a substantial businessman would be known by other businessmen who would be known by "The Elders" shall we say. The Head of the FA will know the Elders or he would never have got his job. He won't have been elected in the way you guys see it. So what he is saying is that nobody who has contacts in the Upper Echelons of Saudi Business or Royalty has ever heard of him. The other point - "Family Trust" that is highly unusual, family wealth maybe but a TRUST? Remember back in the 50's this area was basically desert with some tribes doing deals with oil companies (Read From Sand to Silicon about Dubai) A TRUST fund is way too American or European.... He could well be the son of a political or (worse) Religious exile or deportee who has grown up in UK or US (sort of an Abu Mousa) or a New York Cab Driver. Too many questions still, is he an exile who made money? Is he a very undercover businessman? Is he a front man for a contact with money or is he another middleman. Thing is Phil, everything could be as you say but as it's English reporting they're likely to put a British take on things - as you have said a few times that Pompey posters on here have done (ie taking a "western view of things). His "contacts" could be the elders you speak about or it could be his contacts in the Saudi FA (coaches and the like). It's open to interpretation. As for the comment about a "trust fund", again, that could be a phrase used by a british journo in "westernising" something he's read. I'm not saying it is but again, it could be someone misinterpreting something. We'll wait and see I guess. How many s/ts have you sold, the 13.5k that would get to 16k doesnt seem quite correct.Your mate at the club can surely give you an update How many times are you going to ask the same question Nick Nack and how many times am I going to show you up as a ****? It's gone up to me saying we'd sold 13,500 ST's now, has it? LOL. Here's the actual quote from me on the subject. Read the highlighted bit carefully and maybe have the nurse in your care home explain it to you: "it's somewhere around 12,000 so far but with numbers expected to go to the full 16,000 once the takeovers completed and new players start to arrive to calm people down a bit." http://saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=396809&highlight=season+tickets#post396809 Let me explain in simple language so even you can understand Nick Nack. It was 12,000, not 13,500. And I was told they expected to hit 16,000 once we signed a few decent players with the money Fahim had promised. At the time we only thought Fahim was a bit of a ****, not a complete and utter fantasist with no money whatsoever. So when we didn't sign any quality replacement players to replace the likes of Crouch, Johnson and Distin people felt let down and we didn't sell as many ST's as expected. Can even a mong like you understand that now? Or is it still too difficult for you. :smt100 They also said on Sky Sports that Grant turned down the DoF job at Chelsea earlier this year because he WANTED TO BE MANAGER of a Football Club. Taxi for Hart in the coming weeks I think. Wouldn't be at all surprised. Or maybe the DOF position at Pompey has more power than the one at Chelsea. Either way we all know Hart's on borrowed time. Not exactly earth shattering news is it? As they did with "The Doc". He also passed the F&P, before the new regs kicked in. Next. He went through the same F&P as Doc when Storrie attempted a coup, and lost. The rules changed after that. He has not had top provide evidence of wealth. 1. New regs kicked in Jul. Al Faraj didn't take the FAPPT with the PL until late August when he tried to buy the club for the first time, only for Gaydamak to sell to Fahim. 2. The FAPPT does not assess an individual's wealth. It just tests whether he's suitable to become a director of a club. If someone actually takes ownership of a club there's another set of tests the PL carry out (including checking they have sufficient money and the provenance of that cash) before they will recognise them as the owner. That's why Fahim never submitted the ownership documents to the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 The usual ramble. As you are never ever, ever, ever wrong, not ever, I'll believe you. I'm sure it all comes from "Someone in the club who I see socially every few weeks". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Thing is Phil, everything could be as you say but as it's English reporting they're likely to put a British take on things - as you have said a few times that Pompey posters on here have done (ie taking a "western view of things). His "contacts" could be the elders you speak about or it could be his contacts in the Saudi FA (coaches and the like). It's open to interpretation. As for the comment about a "trust fund", again, that could be a phrase used by a british journo in "westernising" something he's read. I'm not saying it is but again, it could be someone misinterpreting something. We'll wait and see I guess. 1. New regs kicked in Jul. Al Faraj didn't take the FAPPT with the PL until late August when he tried to buy the club for the first time, only for Gaydamak to sell to Fahim. 2. The FAPPT does not assess an individual's wealth. It just tests whether he's suitable to become a director of a club. If someone actually takes ownership of a club there's another set of tests the PL carry out (including checking they have sufficient money and the provenance of that cash) before they will recognise them as the owner. That's why Fahim never submitted the ownership documents to the PL. That's why I'm not making any massive statements on Faraj. The issue of "beneficial owner" is, in the end, what caused the breakdown in the Al Fahim plan. If you think back there was a number of sudden changes of track regarding the location and country he was drawing funds from. As for the Saudi FA link. Sorry but I'll just have to to emphasise that there is nothing wrong in the interpretation or indications as to his contacts into "industry & Royalty" and the reports he has had back. Same will now happen with Faraj, the Beneficial Owner proof. Remember, a long time ago I researched and posted here how to buy a football club with leveraged finance, and found that I could do it very easily. I did talk with people "ITK" on this and the main problem I had is that it would be simple to prove to the FL that I had the money, but unfortunately the way to do that would have meant my ex-wife's divorce lawyers would have hammered me for most of it! In the same way that there was uncertainty at Notts County, the word that causes concern is "Trust Fund" as it then becomes hard to show who is really the owner. And remember, there is a DAMNED good reason why that is important - you simply cannot have one bloke owning two competing clubs in the same country. So he has to answer the questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 11 October, 2009 Share Posted 11 October, 2009 Two items in todays Mail. Oh Dear:- http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sport/football/article-1219527/EXCLUSIVE-Portsmouth-facing-financial-ruin-unpaid-tax-bill.html Billy Bunter! There's nothing comic about the Billy Bunter of Pompey The money's in the post: Sulaiman Al Fahim BILLY BUNTER was a glorious comic creation. He was the Owl of the Remove, the most celebrated pupil of Greyfriars School; fat, braying and given to cheerily ingratiating introductions: ‘I say, you fellows!’ His head was buzzing with ambitious schemes, but he lacked the money to bring them off. Yet he never lost his sense of optimism, his conviction that something would turn up. In Bunter’s case it was a postal order, imminently expected, which would bring him the cash to deliver his dreams. It was the straw to which he clung. ‘You’re laughing now,’ he would shriek at his schoolmates, ‘but you won’t be laughing when my postal order arrives.’ And they would carry on laughing. I doubt that Sulaiman Al Fahim has ever heard of Bunter, but the similarities are irresistible. During his 43-day reign as the owner of Portsmouth FC, he was constantly promising the arrival of a postal order worth £50million. Players and staff went unpaid during the anxious wait, but it never materialised. So now his brief ownership is over as other, apparently richer, men take charge of the mess. Yet, like Bunter, Al Fahim is unsinkable. Indeed, he promises to make the £50m available, just as soon at it turns up. Sadly, unlike Bunter, nobody is laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 11 October, 2009 Share Posted 11 October, 2009 https://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidZAWYA20091006072840/Hydra%20To%20Appeal%20Against%20Buyers'%20Court%20Victory Oh dear, court actions relating to the days when Sultan Bin Trump was in charge No bonus cheques now dude (Oh and to those at Nottark Krap that accepted his bid 6 weeks ago - this was also well known about you idiots) Like the Mail article. A Saudi being used to hide the money coming from some more dodgy Israelis - could be a good one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 11 October, 2009 Share Posted 11 October, 2009 Two items in todays Mail. Oh Dear:- http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sport/football/article-1219527/EXCLUSIVE-Portsmouth-facing-financial-ruin-unpaid-tax-bill.html Billy Bunter! There's nothing comic about the Billy Bunter of Pompey The money's in the post: Sulaiman Al Fahim BILLY BUNTER was a glorious comic creation. He was the Owl of the Remove, the most celebrated pupil of Greyfriars School; fat, braying and given to cheerily ingratiating introductions: ‘I say, you fellows!’ His head was buzzing with ambitious schemes, but he lacked the money to bring them off. Yet he never lost his sense of optimism, his conviction that something would turn up. In Bunter’s case it was a postal order, imminently expected, which would bring him the cash to deliver his dreams. It was the straw to which he clung. ‘You’re laughing now,’ he would shriek at his schoolmates, ‘but you won’t be laughing when my postal order arrives.’ And they would carry on laughing. I doubt that Sulaiman Al Fahim has ever heard of Bunter, but the similarities are irresistible. During his 43-day reign as the owner of Portsmouth FC, he was constantly promising the arrival of a postal order worth £50million. Players and staff went unpaid during the anxious wait, but it never materialised. So now his brief ownership is over as other, apparently richer, men take charge of the mess. Yet, like Bunter, Al Fahim is unsinkable. Indeed, he promises to make the £50m available, just as soon at it turns up. Sadly, unlike Bunter, nobody is laughing. He should get down to Southampton... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merovingian Posted 11 October, 2009 Share Posted 11 October, 2009 https://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidZAWYA20091006072840/Hydra%20To%20Appeal%20Against%20Buyers'%20Court%20Victory Oh dear, court actions relating to the days when Sultan Bin Trump was in charge No bonus cheques now dude (Oh and to those at Nottark Krap that accepted his bid 6 weeks ago - this was also well known about you idiots) Like the Mail article. A Saudi being used to hide the money coming from some more dodgy Israelis - could be a good one like I said we were told we had to find 16.5M by October 15th - if he is the real deal we will soon know. I am surprised how the papers know every single financial detail about the club though - perhaps they have seen the books themselves personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 11 October, 2009 Share Posted 11 October, 2009 It all appears to me that Pompey are just fire-fighting their debts, it wouldn't surprise me if this new arab is just as skint as the last one and has just secured a loan against future parachute payments and has taken a punt on them somehow staying up. Either that or he is just a front for some dirty money. I find it way too bizarre to believe that he could be a billionare but no one can find any info about him. Even reclusive billionare's leave a trail, they would be on a companies board somewhere, or someone would have sold them a mega-yacht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 11 October, 2009 Share Posted 11 October, 2009 I hope Redknapp's Spurs stuff them next weekend. They lurch from one unsavoury regime to the next and, frankly, epitomise everything to be disliked in modern football. May they rot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merovingian Posted 11 October, 2009 Share Posted 11 October, 2009 your previous oweners ran your football club well didn't they lol - or have you conveniently forgot you went into admin ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 11 October, 2009 Share Posted 11 October, 2009 I know that obviously Skates will disagree, but you are right. They do stand for all that is wrong in modern football. It is all about money, but they can`t see that. The Storrie-Teller is a charletan and they can`t see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 11 October, 2009 Share Posted 11 October, 2009 your previous oweners ran your football club well didn't they lol - or have you conveniently forgot you went into admin ? We had inept owners but there was no sense of mystery as to where our money was coming from (not that there was any!). We were a PLC registered in England and Wales. All above board. Rubbish, yes. Dodgy, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merovingian Posted 11 October, 2009 Share Posted 11 October, 2009 and what right does anyone have to know where the money comes from, the premier league need to know and thats it a far as I am aware. And I suggest if you are saying we are or have been receiving money from an untoward source you back it up with hard fact and not heresay...well...come on then...show me the proof bit like saying redknapp allegedly takes bungs, proved yet is it? No, didn't think so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 11 October, 2009 Share Posted 11 October, 2009 and what right does anyone have to know where the money comes from, the premier league need to know and thats it a far as I am aware. And I suggest if you are saying we are or have been receiving money from an untoward source you back it up with hard fact and not heresay...well...come on then...show me the proof bit like saying redknapp allegedly takes bungs, proved yet is it? No, didn't think so.... If this Al Faraj bloke is a billionare don't you think he would have come out with some proof by now? After the first Arab episode all this uncertainty in the press is the last thing the pompey players and fans need. He could put a stop to it all in an instant by simply giving the press the information on his money/companies/assets etc IF he is a billionare. The fact that he s allowing all this negative press continue should be ringing big alarm bells IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 11 October, 2009 Share Posted 11 October, 2009 and what right does anyone have to know where the money comes from, the premier league need to know and thats it a far as I am aware. And I suggest if you are saying we are or have been receiving money from an untoward source you back it up with hard fact and not heresay...well...come on then...show me the proof bit like saying redknapp allegedly takes bungs, proved yet is it? No, didn't think so.... My understanding is that the PL is waiting for this information........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 11 October, 2009 Share Posted 11 October, 2009 My understanding is that the PL is waiting for this information........ BTF - you think this is bad read THIS article... I commented on the General Sports Thread in more detail http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...m-City-FC.html recognise any of it? Invisible owner.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 11 October, 2009 Share Posted 11 October, 2009 I thought the Pompey train crash was over but it is starting to look like there might be further potential. Redknapp is still facing charges, which would link directly to anyone involved in the same Storrie, and now more delays in debt repayment? Odd for a second billionaire to allow that.... After a few days of silence the alarm bells are starting to chime again. I can't believe they have stumbled across another lunatic, surely not, one is unfortunate.... And the media know the details because unlike the last two owners they bothered to look at the due diligence process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 11 October, 2009 Share Posted 11 October, 2009 BTF - you think this is bad read THIS article... I commented on the General Sports Thread in more detail http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...m-City-FC.html recognise any of it? Invisible owner.......... Link not working..... something fishy going on??! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 11 October, 2009 Share Posted 11 October, 2009 Link not working..... something fishy going on??! That is REALLY interesting, was there now it isn't so somebody just let the dogs of war out on the Telegraph Try again http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/news/6294728/How-did-a-Hong-Kong-barber-take-over-Birmingham-City-FC.html The search gets it here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/search/?queryText=birmingham Think Sultan Bin Trump was funny - this one asks how a BARBER in Hong Kong ended up buying Birmingham - FFS that's even MORE stupid than me explaining how to do this and buy Saints last year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 11 October, 2009 Share Posted 11 October, 2009 Give me a mega-rich European industrial dynasty any-day of the week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 11 October, 2009 Share Posted 11 October, 2009 Has to be done........ Phew, that was a Close Shave. Good job we got ML and not Carsten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 October, 2009 Share Posted 12 October, 2009 Any comment Phil? Portsmouth's new owner Ali Al-Faraj is courting fresh investors for his consortium, it has been revealed. The People says two Israeli millionaires are vying to become part of the consortium and there could also be involvement from an Arab royal family. Very little is known about the rest of the Al-Faraj group, but insiders suggest two well-known Israelis, who tried to buy into English clubs before, are on the fringes of the consortium. The Al-Faraj family also have two links through marriage with the Saudi royal family, with hints that this is where his extra funds are coming from. An insider said: "The Saudis are very private people. They don't want publicity about their wealth or who they are. It is the same with the owners of Manchester City." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporate Ho Posted 12 October, 2009 Share Posted 12 October, 2009 Portsmouth's new owner Ali Al-Faraj is courting fresh investors for his consortium, it has been revealed. The People says two Israeli millionaires are vying to become part of the consortium and there could also be involvement from an Arab royal family. Very little is known about the rest of the Al-Faraj group, but insiders suggest two well-known Israelis, who tried to buy into English clubs before, are on the fringes of the consortium. The Al-Faraj family also have two links through marriage with the Saudi royal family, with hints that this is where his extra funds are coming from. An insider said: "The Saudis are very private people. They don't want publicity about their wealth or who they are. It is the same with the owners of Manchester City." It's been widely reported that the al Faraj takeover is a consortium so no suprise that others are involved. I think you'll also find that I've mentioned a few times on here that I've been told that he has backing from a branch of the Saudi royal family. Whether that's true or not we'll have to wait and see. Incidentally, given how secretive Faraj has been it's amazing to see how many papers are intimately aware of his plans, don't you think? Also, how amazing that all these people should be allegedly interested in investing in Pompey when everyone on here told me we'd struggle to find investors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 October, 2009 Share Posted 12 October, 2009 It's been widely reported that the al Faraj takeover is a consortium so no suprise that others are involved. I think you'll also find that I've mentioned a few times on here that I've been told that he has backing from a branch of the Saudi royal family. Whether that's true or not we'll have to wait and see. Incidentally, given how secretive Faraj has been it's amazing to see how many papers are intimately aware of his plans, don't you think? Also, how amazing that all these people should be allegedly interested in investing in Pompey when everyone on here told me we'd struggle to find investors. I wouldn't gloat just yet Corp. That backfired last time remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporate Ho Posted 12 October, 2009 Share Posted 12 October, 2009 I wouldn't gloat just yet Corp. That backfired last time remember? Who's gloating? I think the phrase "whether that's true or not we'll have to wait and see" sort of indicated my thinking. Incidentally, where's diminiuative Bond villain Nick Nack today. Was hoping for a response to my comment about his (latest) season ticket post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 12 October, 2009 Share Posted 12 October, 2009 Any comment Phil? Portsmouth's new owner Ali Al-Faraj is courting fresh investors for his consortium, it has been revealed. The People says two Israeli millionaires are vying to become part of the consortium and there could also be involvement from an Arab royal family. Very little is known about the rest of the Al-Faraj group, but insiders suggest two well-known Israelis, who tried to buy into English clubs before, are on the fringes of the consortium. The Al-Faraj family also have two links through marriage with the Saudi royal family, with hints that this is where his extra funds are coming from. An insider said: "The Saudis are very private people. They don't want publicity about their wealth or who they are. It is the same with the owners of Manchester City." like Corp Ho, I'm far from being an expert on these sort of things but the important words in this are vying, could, suggest, fringes, hints. That report tells us nothing. My reporter mate always says that if the story says "insider/source said" it is usually just made up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 October, 2009 Share Posted 12 October, 2009 Who's gloating? I think the phrase "whether that's true or not we'll have to wait and see" sort of indicated my thinking. Incidentally, where's diminiuative Bond villain Nick Nack today. Was hoping for a response to my comment about his (latest) season ticket post. I have just read your sidestep.I cant be bothered to search through all your nonsense for your quote (I would never be surprised that you'd deleted it) You said in one of your posts that your friend at the club had said it was 12k , it would exceed the 13.5k of last seasn and probably make 16k. It was at the time when i told you that the figure was below 9k. Of course you may get higher attendances if you got a load of great players in, in fact if you got Ronaldo you'd fill the ground every week. The point is the sleeping giant cannot fill the stadium even though you are a PL side.You have a large percentage of fickle fans who are JCL's, no doubt you being one also. Now tell us how many s/ts you have sold.No putting up 'If' etc how many does 'your contact at the club 'tell you they sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 October, 2009 Share Posted 12 October, 2009 Who's gloating? I think the phrase "whether that's true or not we'll have to wait and see" sort of indicated my thinking. Typical Ho talk, make a statement and then add the screen in case it is his usual bull by putting up proviso's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 12 October, 2009 Share Posted 12 October, 2009 Typical Ho talk, make a statement and then add the screen in case it is his usual bull by putting up proviso's Fight fight fight! etc.... http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Corporate+Ho&word2=nickh Nobody can arguewith a google fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporate Ho Posted 12 October, 2009 Share Posted 12 October, 2009 I have just read your sidestep.I cant be bothered to search through all your nonsense for your quote (I would never be surprised that you'd deleted it) You said in one of your posts that your friend at the club had said it was 12k , it would exceed the 13.5k of last seasn and probably make 16k. It was at the time when i told you that the figure was below 9k. Of course you may get higher attendances if you got a load of great players in, in fact if you got Ronaldo you'd fill the ground every week. The point is the sleeping giant cannot fill the stadium even though you are a PL side.You have a large percentage of fickle fans who are JCL's, no doubt you being one also. Now tell us how many s/ts you have sold.No putting up 'If' etc how many does 'your contact at the club 'tell you they sold. Nick Nack, just how ****ing lame are you? You don't need to search through anything for my quote. I posted it on this page with a link to the original. The fact about new and better players attracting more people to buy season tickets was, of course, exactly the point I was making you dopey ****. We haven't filled the stadium for three games. Those three games were after a new owner came in and sold every decent player we had with the exception of James and replaced them with inferior alternatives. I'm sure you Saints fans are the only fans in the world who'd have snapped up every season ticket going in a similar circumstance. And please don't trot out the line that Lowe sold all your players. Your sales were spread over a number of seasons, not six months like ours were. As for a "large percentage of fickle fans" can we not count the 15,000 or so Saints fans who deserted you as soon as you started struggling? No idea how many ST's we've now sold as I haven't asked (it's not an obsession for me like it is for you) but half season tickets are just going on sale so we should easily be able to see how many have sold in total very soon. Read the original post Nick Nack. The link was placed there for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 12 October, 2009 Share Posted 12 October, 2009 Nick Nack, just how ****ing lame are you? You don't need to search through anything for my quote. I posted it on this page with a link to the original. The fact about new and better players attracting more people to buy season tickets was, of course, exactly the point I was making you dopey ****. We haven't filled the stadium for three games. Those three games were after a new owner came in and sold every decent player we had with the exception of James and replaced them with inferior alternatives. I'm sure you Saints fans are the only fans in the world who'd have snapped up every season ticket going in a similar circumstance. And please don't trot out the line that Lowe sold all your players. Your sales were spread over a number of seasons, not six months like ours were. As for a "large percentage of fickle fans" can we not count the 15,000 or so Saints fans who deserted you as soon as you started struggling? No idea how many ST's we've now sold as I haven't asked (it's not an obsession for me like it is for you) but half season tickets are just going on sale so we should easily be able to see how many have sold in total very soon. Read the original post Nick Nack. The link was placed there for you. says the four-figures Skate poster on a Saints message board. Your attendances this season are embarrasing. Petty feuds about who said what and when aside - your club is a complete joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 12 October, 2009 Share Posted 12 October, 2009 Any comment Phil? Portsmouth's new owner Ali Al-Faraj is courting fresh investors for his consortium, it has been revealed. The People says two Israeli millionaires are vying to become part of the consortium and there could also be involvement from an Arab royal family. Very little is known about the rest of the Al-Faraj group, but insiders suggest two well-known Israelis, who tried to buy into English clubs before, are on the fringes of the consortium. The Al-Faraj family also have two links through marriage with the Saudi royal family, with hints that this is where his extra funds are coming from. An insider said: "The Saudis are very private people. They don't want publicity about their wealth or who they are. It is the same with the owners of Manchester City." Phils mega busy today ......but his qoute is "No Saudi with Royal connections would ever ever do business with Israelis" It just wouldnt happen , so there is the level of credance in that rumour (nil) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 October, 2009 Share Posted 12 October, 2009 Nick Nack, just how ****ing lame are you? You don't need to search through anything for my quote. I posted it on this page with a link to the original. The fact about new and better players attracting more people to buy season tickets was, of course, exactly the point I was making you dopey ****. We haven't filled the stadium for three games. Those three games were after a new owner came in and sold every decent player we had with the exception of James and replaced them with inferior alternatives. I'm sure you Saints fans are the only fans in the world who'd have snapped up every season ticket going in a similar circumstance. And please don't trot out the line that Lowe sold all your players. Your sales were spread over a number of seasons, not six months like ours were. As for a "large percentage of fickle fans" can we not count the 15,000 or so Saints fans who deserted you as soon as you started struggling? No idea how many ST's we've now sold as I haven't asked (it's not an obsession for me like it is for you) but half season tickets are just going on sale so we should easily be able to see how many have sold in total very soon. Read the original post Nick Nack. The link was placed there for you. Yardy yardy yah,that is not the quote.You mentioned in one that you had 13.5k s/ts sold last season and fully expected them to beat that and get to 16k. As I say I expect you have deleted the one I mention. 3 home games and not only have you not been able to fill the ground but it has been a pathetic turnout. Dont hide behind 'if you had sold all your players' etc we have and even had boycotts and still got more fans than you when we were heading for L1. The sleeping giant stuff has been put to bed once and for all.You have a good hardcore of fans in the 8-10k region, if you sign a lot of star players and go out to buy success above your station much like your sister club Wigan then you will get bigger gates.Spurs will fill your ground for you, HR's return will get them off their ar### but if you stay propping up the league the gates will reduce further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 12 October, 2009 Share Posted 12 October, 2009 (edited) Any comment Phil? Portsmouth's new owner Ali Al-Faraj is courting fresh investors for his consortium, it has been revealed. The People says two Israeli millionaires are vying to become part of the consortium and there could also be involvement from an Arab royal family. Very little is known about the rest of the Al-Faraj group, but insiders suggest two well-known Israelis, who tried to buy into English clubs before, are on the fringes of the consortium. The Al-Faraj family also have two links through marriage with the Saudi royal family, with hints that this is where his extra funds are coming from. An insider said: "The Saudis are very private people. They don't want publicity about their wealth or who they are. It is the same with the owners of Manchester City." Hmmm This says one word at the beginning - PINNACLE. Portsmouth's new owner Ali Al-Faraj is courting fresh investors for his consortium, it has been revealed This says he doesn't have enough money - Oh Look, ANOTHER Al Fahim? The People says two Israeli millionaires are vying to become part of the consortium and there could also be involvement from an Arab royal family. The only Gulf Arab Nation who do business with Israelis (albeit very quietly) is Qatar. Now rumours still persist that they are the backers of Munto Finance, nice one for the PL there. They could of course be Egyptian or Jordanian who DO carry on business -to you lot it's all one place after all. Al Faraj if he is a not very high up businessman would not in fact have an issue dealing with Israelis. If he was a serious player then the politics comes into it...... Other "Royal Families" have "allegedly" :cool: looked into clubs publicly and privately. On every occassion there is one of two criteria - Branding or Value Add. When you recall that this area did not exist per se before the end of the 60's when "We Brits" withdrew from East of Aden (look up history books) cannot see how a club with their main history when this place was called The Trucial States has much Branding option. Value Add? Tough one, biggest value add hook down here is Property. These boys only got into it about 8 years ago - one meeting I had on a "related subject I asked why don't Arabs buy Saints - it was too small a deal, but if it could have been a US$1bliion deal with property well.... was the answer (trust me, I could draw up plans for a $1billion stadium faster than you could say Fialka! - let's go - sadly didn't work ... Don't see that YET in Fratton railyards An insider said: "The Saudis are very private people. They don't want publicity about their wealth or who they are. It is the same with the owners of Manchester City hmm where the quote let's itself down a little - anyone ever been to Monte Carlo? Seen the Yacht always there? Abu Dhabi don't show off their wealth, lol - anyone looked up the F1 GP next month - seen the investment cost? Seen who they have coming to play FREE gigis for the gliterati? (Jamiroquai, Beyonce, Kings of Leon & Aerosmith") How about the Louvre Museum, Guggenheim etc - no they don't show it off - oh and then they already have a train set. Anyway, am really busy this week, our new company got a huge boost this week and we're gonna be meeting a lot of movers and shakers at the tops of the tree at a Trade Show next week. Don't worry I'll be asking. Meanwhile, these snippets show the problems with "Consortiums" They want to dump their money in the kitty FORST and give it to someone to run with it - great, otherwise....hmm Sunderland seem ok with it but others... How's Carsten getting on with his deal Edited 12 October, 2009 by dubai_phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 12 October, 2009 Share Posted 12 October, 2009 Oh and yes of course DP is a Gliterati, but seeing as I was a backing dancer for JKay on the bar at his launch party, and have seen Aerosmith and the GF won't let Beyonce come round for coffee after the show, I'm just getting my freebie VIP's for KoL. Can't be arsed with the GP freebies - it is Sooooooooooooo boring (well actually I had corp tickets but can't get a hotel room and a taxi home is over hundred quid so I'll be watching with arabic commentary from the sofa.) (Oh the J Kay thing - it was a lousy job, but someone had to do it. Free Vodka Red Bulls helped but the photo in the IT press didn't do my career any harm at all!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merovingian Posted 13 October, 2009 Share Posted 13 October, 2009 anything with insiders said - or our sources reveal is more than likely conjecture in my experience. 2 days to find £16.5M, if we do not go into admin within the next week they obviously have "some" money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 13 October, 2009 Share Posted 13 October, 2009 (edited) Oh and yes of course DP is a Gliterati, but seeing as I was a backing dancer for JKay on the bar at his launch party, and have seen Aerosmith and the GF won't let Beyonce come round for coffee after the show, I'm just getting my freebie VIP's for KoL. Can't be arsed with the GP freebies - it is Sooooooooooooo boring (well actually I had corp tickets but can't get a hotel room and a taxi home is over hundred quid so I'll be watching with arabic commentary from the sofa.) (Oh the J Kay thing - it was a lousy job, but someone had to do it. Free Vodka Red Bulls helped but the photo in the IT press didn't do my career any harm at all!) Dubai_Bin_Trump! Edited 13 October, 2009 by Clapham Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 13 October, 2009 Share Posted 13 October, 2009 Dubai_Bin_Trump! Actually DP The Blag! I stayed well away from the property malarky Was asked in a Radio interview relating to work how I got this sort of stuff happening, it is about Attitude and Creativity meeting Opportunity. You advertise in an IT magazine, they have an event you mention that you're a strong supporter of them and push their message and bingo you get invited to the party. You get to the party you think "Be Corporate" or you Network, simples Meanwhile Merovingaroundian. The clock ticks. the good news is that it still ticks so speculation is futile, but with the best will in the world and superhuman efforts from Paul Hart, it cannot help the team motivation and focus in the run up to games, just look at James letting the world know he wants to go to Spuds... It is all a chinese water torture that east away at your soul... We know we had it for years Which is why I repeat somebody HAS to answer the questions PDQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merovingian Posted 13 October, 2009 Share Posted 13 October, 2009 info been passed on tonight - tax bill paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyInReading Posted 13 October, 2009 Share Posted 13 October, 2009 The point is the sleeping giant cannot fill the stadium even though you are a PL side.You have a large percentage of fickle fans who are JCL's, no doubt you being one also. Reminds me of a certain Saints with gates of 9k, 10k, 11k and 13k regularly in the 90's in the top flight, before you got your new ground. Dont tell me that was becasue you were carp then - I am sure you werent is carp as we are now although maybe the football is as bad;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 13 October, 2009 Share Posted 13 October, 2009 Reminds me of a certain Saints with gates of 9k, 10k, 11k and 13k regularly in the 90's in the top flight, before you got your new ground. Dont tell me that was becasue you were carp then - I am sure you werent is carp as we are now although maybe the football is as bad;) Comedy gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 13 October, 2009 Share Posted 13 October, 2009 info been passed on tonight - tax bill paid. Out of interest, for which of the (rumoured) 6 months overdue was this? (That policeman who popped round earlier turned out quite helpful eventually!) But well done if it was all of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 Reminds me of a certain Saints with gates of 9k, 10k, 11k and 13k regularly in the 90's in the top flight, before you got your new ground. Dont tell me that was becasue you were carp then - I am sure you werent is carp as we are now although maybe the football is as bad;) "Reminds me of a certain Saints"...St Helens, St Mirren? Just for the record Southampton Football Club never got "regular" crowds like that in the 90s, in fact we NEVER had a league crowd as low as 9k. Our lowest gates, whilst struggling in the Branfoot era, came about when we had SISA boycotts in an attempt to encourage his removal (and of course Le Tiss' return). Just one being slightly under 11k against Oldham, there were also a couple of 11k+ against Wimbledon and Notts County (all those would have included a couple of hundred away fans at best). Any gates of 13k against little clubs (like p*rtsmyth) bought very small support - not bad for the time, particularly for a struggling side (these were the days p*rtsmyth WERE getting regular gates of 5, 6 or 7k!). You'll be telling us next you all hate us so much because of some dock strike...............:smt023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 October, 2009 Share Posted 14 October, 2009 Reminds me of a certain Saints with gates of 9k, 10k, 11k and 13k regularly in the 90's in the top flight, before you got your new ground. Dont tell me that was becasue you were carp then - I am sure you werent is carp as we are now although maybe the football is as bad;) i dont doubt we had some low gates in the old Div 1 but that was before the razzmatazz of the EPL and also after the heysel and Hillsborough disasters when football was a pariah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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