Pompey Takeover Saga

[saintkiptanui]

From the Grauniad. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/apr/29/premier-league-football-league-parachute-payments

 

 

"The carefully calibrated offer has the dual effect of satisfying clubs such as Bolton Wanderers, who have long wanted added insurance against going down, and the Championship clubs struggling with the investment required to reach the top flight. If accepted, it would apply to relegated clubs from this season and would also mean that payments to Middlesbrough – relegated in 2009 and not promoted this time – would be adjusted on a pro-rata basis. In addition any payments unclaimed because a club have been promoted back to the Premier League will be added to the solidarity pot."

 

Confirming that the payments would not only apply to clubs relegated this season, but also to clubs relegated last season!

Ridiculous

[teamsaint]

Ridiculous

 

 

oh I don't know. I mean it now makes absolute sense for CCC clubs to beg steal and borrow(like the new seekers !!) beyond any sensible limits, in order to sneak one season in the PL.

They can then treble their ST prices and happily finish their one season in the PL on about 9 points safe in the knowledge that they can pocket tens of millions each season for 4 years for doing absolutely nothing.

 

Now that really is in the spirit of the worlds greatest game.

 

I wonder if mr Platini would have views on this.

 

Should work wonders for the quality of corporate governance in the beautiful game..

[Saint in Paradise]

Ridiculous

 

Yes I agree but seeing how the PL has acted over the past few years are we really that surprised ?

[Channon's Sideburns]

They have just said on BBC South Local News that they are producing a TV program about the demise of the Cheating Skates to be aired on Sunday 9th May at 3:15 (just before the start of their last match in the PL).

 

I hope this is the start of the media telling the truth instead of the usual rubbish we hear.

 

Hints to producers of the program, please mention :-

- Who the real owner of the club was from 2006 ? Daddy.

- How they repeatly Lied to the PL about who was the owner, and have not been charged by the football authorities, why ?

- That it was NOT the financial markets that stopped the money flowing into the club but the fact that Daddy had his Bank Accounts frozen in Israel after he was charged with money laundering (trial due to start in May).

- How this thread was started in July 2009 (from a leak from the Skates Finance Dept) to say NO MONEY WAS COMING from the Fake_Dr. Yet they somehow managed to get the PL to remove the first transfer embargo in August last year and sign 6 or 7 players in the final few days of that Summer Transfer Window on the understanding that the Fake_Dr was bringing in new money, but WE all knew on here there was no money.

- How they had a "shadow director" for a number of weeks against PL rules but have still not been charged by the football authorities, why ?

- How 3 people connected with the club are currently before the courts charged with Tax Fraud, but still the club has not been charged, why ?

- They can also show this memo/email that the BBC have got which shows who was making the decisions at the time the Invisible_Owner was in charge.

- They can also mention the Andriods previous dealings with the High Court.

- They can also mention how they used players in the 2nd half of the season that they were never going to pay for and SHOULD NOT have been allowed to sign. Most people now view this as CHEATING, but they still have NOT been thrown out of the FA Cup and the 9 league points has made NO difference to their league position.

- They can ....

(please add)

 

 

Told you.... ;-)

 

It'll be Panorama next.

[Smirking_Saint]

Stu was just trying to make a statement for the anniversary post. I presume! Not alot has happened since the creditors report came out, apart from not going into Europa league. Not even a sniff of a takeover and Friday has nearly gone.

 

Damn, i hoped some sort of damning evidence had surfaced.

 

Cheers though

[Red and White Army]

Sorry, how is what I posted before trolling? Especially as I am right.

 

You go on about the agents being circumspect, but surely in the current climate, where clubs know they have to pay every single penny of every single contract the clubs would be far more circumspect wouldn't they?

 

But they're not, just like agents wouldn't be in your reverse situation.

 

Since when are the football agents the ultra cautious ones?

 

Footballers and football agents don't enter contract negotiations thinking about the club going under, just like Peter Storrie and his ilk entered his negotiations not thinking about the club going under.

 

You could easily apply your logic to imposing the current "pay 100% back" with exactly the same rationale:

 

the clubs would be more circumspect, they wouldn't be so risky commiting to contracts they can't possibly get out of etc etc etc.

 

Your theory that a normal creditors rule would solve football's problems is just that. A theory.

 

In practice, it would make the clubs even more risk-happy because they know they can waltz out of it.

 

Punting left right and centre knowing the worst that can happen is paying back a fraction of it.

 

And are you seriously suggesting agents will tell their clients - "nahhh, don't take £60k a week, not sure they can afford it two years in. Take £30k a week instead".

 

"Don't sign for that club offering £50k a week. Sign for that club for half the amount".

 

"I'm very circumspect about that club, I think they might be run by unsavoury characters. Under no circumstances accept their offer of £80k a week plus image rights".

 

This is FOOTBALL AGENTS you are talking about. FOOTBALL AGENTS.

 

Clubs don't go under two minutes after these contracts are signed, they go under two years later.

 

I'd take £60k a week for two years and risk 25% for the last year rather than £30k a week for three years. Not least because you can get yourself transferred in the third year anyway.

 

You're in a fantasy, fantasy, fantasy land of "circumspect" football agents. There's more vegetarian butchers around.

 

 

Don't come up with theories as fact and then accuse me of trolling.

 

I'm not trolling, I just think that Portsmouth should not get off scott free, paying 25% of what they owe and back in the game next season thank you very much.

 

Think, think, think about the implications of your theories before you accuse me of trolling.

 

 

 

 

Says the person who wants Pompey off scott free quicker than anyone else but cutting their obligations down by 75%, and encourages every other football club to massively increase their short term risk but bringing in a safety net where they can write off their major debts by 75% at a stroke two years down the line.

 

But who cares, that club have cheated another out of the Prem, or to the cup final in that time.

 

But who cares, we'll be back next season to do it all again because we only had to find 25%.

 

Welcome to the new age of cheating.

 

TLDR.

 

You're utterly wrong and not worth 5 mins of my time to hear your latest bleatings.

 

Ta-ra

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Seriously it's time the FA got the Premier League under control. With money and power come responsibility. The parachute payments system is wrecking our national game. There is a distortion of natural justice in an administration (it perpetuates the football creditors rule by only being available for payment if you comply) and it is creating a Premier League 2 by default. We already have a Premier League that might lead the world, but is in no way the 'English' Premier League. Every mercenary in world football wants to play in the PL. The PL must be stopped from continuing on its current course now. They have allowed situations like Pompeys to evolve due to their casual disregard of the principles of best corporate governance and there will be many many more abuses like Pompey's unless they are brought to heel.

 

God knows what will happen to the PL house of cards, and the game in England when the government finally crack Skys monopolistic market position and the money dries up........

 

The FA should realise they have a chance now to sort it out for the good of the game, by using the Skates as an example - or in due course there will be government regulation enforced on the game through them rather than by them.

Edited 1 May, 2010 by Kingsbridge Saint

[TopGun]

Seriously it's time the FA got the Premier League under control. With money and power come responsibility. The parachute payments system is wrecking our national game. There is a distortion of natural justice in an administration (it perpetuates the football creditors rule by only being available for payment if you comply) and it is creating a Premier League 2 by default. We already have a Premier League that might lead the world, but is in no way the 'English' Premier League. Every mercenary in world football wants to play in the PL. The PL must be stopped from continuing on its current course now. They have allowed situations like Pompeys to evolve due to their casual disregard of the principles of best corporate governance and there will be many many more abuses like Pompey's unless they are brought to heel.

 

God knows what will happen to the PL house of cards, and the game in England when the government finally crack Skys monopolistic market position and the money dries up........

 

The FA should realise they have a chance now to sort it out for the good of the game, by using the Skates as an example - or in due course there will be government regulation enforced on the game through them rather than by them.

 

I entirely agree with all these points although Portsmouth as a subject is just a part of a more important wider issue. The PL is as bent, crooked, mercenary as Mugabe's regime. Portsmouth is merely the current focus of a far wider problem.

[alehouseboys]

As a matter of interest, is there no case of a conflict of interest in the appointment of 'Jed ©Lampitt to the board of the Portsea/b] Hillbillies.

 

Let's get this right...

 

 

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[Um Bongo]

So have they sold out for their last ever premier league game at Fratton Park?

[Clapham Saint]

So have they sold out for their last ever premier league game at Fratton Park?

 

Have they sold out for their last ever game at Fratton Park?

[Wes Tender]

Sorry, how is what I posted before trolling? Especially as I am right.

 

You're not right, but self-righteous might cover it.

 

You go on about the agents being circumspect, but surely in the current climate, where clubs know they have to pay every single penny of every single contract the clubs would be far more circumspect wouldn't they?

 

But they're not, as is proven by the example of the Skates.

 

But they're not, just like agents wouldn't be in your reverse situation.

 

Since when are the football agents the ultra cautious ones?

 

Footballers and football agents don't enter contract negotiations thinking about the club going under, just like Peter Storrie and his ilk entered his negotiations not thinking about the club going under.

 

You present a very good argument against yourself, without realising it. As I say, if the agents knew that they wouldn't receive more than a few percent in the pound and the players knew that too, then naturally and obviously they would be a lot more cautious as to which clubs they dealt with. Those more recent signings to the Skates had a cast iron guarantee that their wages and the agents' commissions would be a priority debt. If you think that they would have been in such a hurry to sign if they did not have that guarantee, you're deluded.

 

You could easily apply your logic to imposing the current "pay 100% back" with exactly the same rationale:

 

the clubs would be more circumspect, they wouldn't be so risky commiting to contracts they can't possibly get out of etc etc etc.

 

Your theory that a normal creditors rule would solve football's problems is just that. A theory.

 

It's not a theory, as it is exactly the position that applies to normal business and commerce. Your theory that it is a theory is the theory.

 

In practice, it would make the clubs even more risk-happy because they know they can waltz out of it.

 

Go ahead and amuse us all by explaining this point further.

 

Punting left right and centre knowing the worst that can happen is paying back a fraction of it.

 

And are you seriously suggesting agents will tell their clients - "nahhh, don't take £60k a week, not sure they can afford it two years in. Take £30k a week instead".

 

"Don't sign for that club offering £50k a week. Sign for that club for half the amount".

 

"I'm very circumspect about that club, I think they might be run by unsavoury characters. Under no circumstances accept their offer of £80k a week plus image rights".

 

This is FOOTBALL AGENTS you are talking about. FOOTBALL AGENTS.

 

The football agents will naturally get as much pay for their players, of course, as they will therefore get a higher commission. But they would realise that they would still only receive a percentage of that higher commission, rather than the 100%. See? Would they therefore prefer to sell those players to a club with sound finances, or a club strongly rumoured to be in severe difficulties?

 

Clubs don't go under two minutes after these contracts are signed, they go under two years later.

 

By which time those agents' commissions should long ago have been settled. Anyway, your theory is again disproved by the Skates. Agents were still doing business with them a few months back with loans and transfers. It was obvious to us on here that they were headed for a train crash. Do you honestly believe that those agents did not realise that things were badly amiss? They carried on regardless because they knew that their debt would be paid back at 100%.

 

I'd take £60k a week for two years and risk 25% for the last year rather than £30k a week for three years. Not least because you can get yourself transferred in the third year anyway.

 

But would you sign when it was clear that wages weren't being paid to players three months on the trot and that you might not get more than 20% of what was owed to you?

 

You're in a fantasy, fantasy, fantasy land of "circumspect" football agents. There's more vegetarian butchers around.

 

Don't come up with theories as fact and then accuse me of trolling.

 

I'm not trolling, I just think that Portsmouth should not get off scott free, paying 25% of what they owe and back in the game next season thank you very much.

 

Think, think, think about the implications of your theories before you accuse me of trolling.

This above from CB Fry in reply to some perfectly sensible points put by Red & White Army

 

Below, his response to me....

 

Says the person who wants Pompey off scott free quicker than anyone else but cutting their obligations down by 75%, and encourages every other football club to massively increase their short term risk but bringing in a safety net where they can write off their major debts by 75% at a stroke two years down the line.

 

Who says I want Pompey let off scott free? I would love them to crash and burn, as they deserve. Anyway, of course they are not being allowed to escape scott free. They might yet lose their stadium to developers, they have already been penalised 9 points and might have further huge penalties imposed on them. They might yet not be able to exit administration with a CVA. They might yet be liquidated and have to start in the Blue Square South. Still, if that's your definition as to what constitutes being let of scott free...

But who cares, that club have cheated another out of the Prem, or to the cup final in that time.

 

But who cares, we'll be back next season to do it all again because we only had to find 25%.

 

Welcome to the new age of cheating.

 

You're a bit premature forecasting what exactly might happen to them and therefore what the further repercussions might be for other clubs who might be in a similar situation.

 

You remind me a bit of a cross between Gordon Brown and Nick Clegg, except that there is no possibility of many here saying that they agree with Nick. You're like Gordon, putting up figures plucked from thin air (like your 5% in the £) in an attempt to justify your position and like Clegg in that your arguments are shallow and easily picked apart.

[dubai_phil]

You're a bit premature forecasting what exactly might happen to them and therefore what the further repercussions might be for other clubs who might be in a similar situation.

 

You remind me a bit of a cross between Gordon Brown and Nick Clegg, except that there is no possibility of many here saying that they agree with Nick. You're like Gordon, putting up figures plucked from thin air (like your 5% in the £) in an attempt to justify your position and like Clegg in that your arguments are shallow and easily picked apart.

 

 

More appropriate comparison for shallow and easily picked apart would be the Skate's Defence....

 

[Crab Lungs]

Have they sold out for their last ever game at Fratton Park?

 

Have they ever sold out a game at Fratton Park?

[Sevvy]

They have just said on BBC South Local News that they are producing a TV program about the demise of the Cheating Skates to be aired on Sunday 9th May at 3:15 (just before the start of their last match in the PL).

 

I hope this is the start of the media telling the truth instead of the usual rubbish we hear.

 

Hints to producers of the program, please mention :-

- Who the real owner of the club was from 2006 ? Daddy.

- How they repeatly Lied to the PL about who was the owner, and have not been charged by the football authorities, why ?

- That it was NOT the financial markets that stopped the money flowing into the club but the fact that Daddy had his Bank Accounts frozen in Israel after he was charged with money laundering (trial due to start in May).

- How this thread was started in July 2009 (from a leak from the Skates Finance Dept) to say NO MONEY WAS COMING from the Fake_Dr. Yet they somehow managed to get the PL to remove the first transfer embargo in August last year and sign 6 or 7 players in the final few days of that Summer Transfer Window on the understanding that the Fake_Dr was bringing in new money, but WE all knew on here there was no money.

- How they had a "shadow director" for a number of weeks against PL rules but have still not been charged by the football authorities, why ?

- How 3 people connected with the club are currently before the courts charged with Tax Fraud, but still the club has not been charged, why ?

- They can also show this memo/email that the BBC have got which shows who was making the decisions at the time the Invisible_Owner was in charge.

- They can also mention the Andriods previous dealings with the High Court.

- They can also mention how they used players in the 2nd half of the season that they were never going to pay for and SHOULD NOT have been allowed to sign. Most people now view this as CHEATING, but they still have NOT been thrown out of the FA Cup and the 9 league points has made NO difference to their league position.

- They can ....

(please add)

 

St J. Perhaps you should send this to South Today just as a reminder.

[positivepete]

Extract from a piece written by Patrick Barclay in the Telegraph today. He was discussing the situation at Liverpool:

 

"They can sign a group of new players only by taking their text from the Portsmouth manual of financial management"

[Gingeletiss]

From the Grauniad. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/apr/29/premier-league-football-league-parachute-payments

 

 

"The carefully calibrated offer has the dual effect of satisfying clubs such as Bolton Wanderers, who have long wanted added insurance against going down, and the Championship clubs struggling with the investment required to reach the top flight. If accepted, it would apply to relegated clubs from this season and would also mean that payments to Middlesbrough – relegated in 2009 and not promoted this time – would be adjusted on a pro-rata basis. In addition any payments unclaimed because a club have been promoted back to the Premier League will be added to the solidarity pot."

 

Confirming that the payments would not only apply to clubs relegated this season, but also to clubs relegated last season!

 

 

Oh dear oh dear, what are they doing to the game I love?

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1270208/Charles-Sale-Football-League-breakaway-threat-parachute-row.html

 

Private talks have taken place among Championship clubs about a breakaway from the Football League following the decision of the lower divisions to reject the Premier League package of parachute and solidarity payments worth £400million over three years.

Feelings are running so high that there is talk of taking up the offer, worth £48m in phased payments to relegated clubs and £4.6m a year to the rest of the division, and splitting from the Football League in what would bring about a Premier League Two in all but name.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Oh dear oh dear, what are they doing to the game I love?

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1270208/Charles-Sale-Football-League-breakaway-threat-parachute-row.html

 

Private talks have taken place among Championship clubs about a breakaway from the Football League following the decision of the lower divisions to reject the Premier League package of parachute and solidarity payments worth £400million over three years.

Feelings are running so high that there is talk of taking up the offer, worth £48m in phased payments to relegated clubs and £4.6m a year to the rest of the division, and splitting from the Football League in what would bring about a Premier League Two in all but name.

 

I think that this is precisely what the PL were angling at with their machinations.

[aintforever]

The greed of football disgusts me, you have small clubs struggling and going bust all over the place and the ONLY thing each club are bothered about is lining their own pockets.

 

The people to blame are the FA, PL and FL, all corrupt greedy self serving organisations. All they care about is Sky TV's cash.

 

At the moment we're not greatly effected because we have a rich backer but I would hate to see a league so distorted by money so it becomes a complete farce. Kill the romance in football and the game will quickly lose it's appeal.

[Colinjb]

I think that this is precisely what the PL were angling at with their machinations.

 

Yep, Premiership '2' here we come.

[sidthesquid]

The greed of football disgusts me, you have small clubs struggling and going bust all over the place and the ONLY thing each club are bothered about is lining their own pockets.

 

The people to blame are the FA, PL and FL, all corrupt greedy self serving organisations. All they care about is Sky TV's cash.

 

At the moment we're not greatly effected because we have a rich backer but I would hate to see a league so distorted by money so it becomes a complete farce. Kill the romance in football and the game will quickly lose it's appeal.

 

As far as I am concerned I am not in love with professional football any more. (I still love the Saints, but that is an irrational, obsessional, unhealthy kind of love.) Even when we were in the Prem I struggled to care/engage with what was happening beyond the impact on us.

I find myself watching MotD only when there is nothing better on, I have watched almost zero Champions League matches, and much as I have enjoyed the Fulham 'fairytale', (primarily for Bairdy's sake), I am aware that that has been bought at huge expense.

I watched my sixteen year old lad win a cup final on Thursday night and it really mattered. I was every bit as excited as he was, but I really don't give a damn who wins the Prem and my only interest in the Cup final is the hope that the Skates get turned over. In fact seeing them lose every week has been the only interest in the Prem this season.

Greed is killing it for everyone below the top. I loved watching the young lads coming through and going on to represent England as a Saints player - from Bridgey and MLT back as far as seeing Micky Channon make his England debut (showing my age, I'm afraid), but clubs like ours will be denied that forever more. Walcott and Bale are the future - snatched away while still schoolboys to sit on some Prem teams bench.

Virtually every club below the Prem (and some still in it!) are on the verge of ruin at a time when there has never been more money sloshing about the game.

The last three times Liverpool won the title it was (I think) Saints, Ipswich and Watford that finished runners-up. That will NEVER happen again for provincial clubs. The top ten in the Prem are likely all to come from the four big cities and ever more so the end of season table is a mirror-image of the wealth league. Will anyone outside Manure & Chelski ever win the title again?

They should take heed of Scottish football - when competition dies it is the beginning of the end.

[Gingeletiss]

As far as I am concerned I am not in love with professional football any more. (I still love the Saints, but that is an irrational, obsessional, unhealthy kind of love.) Even when we were in the Prem I struggled to care/engage with what was happening beyond the impact on us.

I find myself watching MotD only when there is nothing better on, I have watched almost zero Champions League matches, and much as I have enjoyed the Fulham 'fairytale', (primarily for Bairdy's sake), I am aware that that has been bought at huge expense.

I watched my sixteen year old lad win a cup final on Thursday night and it really mattered. I was every bit as excited as he was, but I really don't give a damn who wins the Prem and my only interest in the Cup final is the hope that the Skates get turned over. In fact seeing them lose every week has been the only interest in the Prem this season.

Greed is killing it for everyone below the top. I loved watching the young lads coming through and going on to represent England as a Saints player - from Bridgey and MLT back as far as seeing Micky Channon make his England debut (showing my age, I'm afraid), but clubs like ours will be denied that forever more. Walcott and Bale are the future - snatched away while still schoolboys to sit on some Prem teams bench.

Virtually every club below the Prem (and some still in it!) are on the verge of ruin at a time when there has never been more money sloshing about the game.

The last three times Liverpool won the title it was (I think) Saints, Ipswich and Watford that finished runners-up. That will NEVER happen again for provincial clubs. The top ten in the Prem are likely all to come from the four big cities and ever more so the end of season table is a mirror-image of the wealth league. Will anyone outside Manure & Chelski ever win the title again?

They should take heed of Scottish football - when competition dies it is the beginning of the end.

 

Agreed, strange don't you think, that Scottish football now wants to increase the size of it's top division again, as the football has got boring playing each other four times. Whereas, the PL in this country, would like to have that self same format, and have a PL 2 for the also rans. Let them go says I. Let us have our league football as it was meant to be, they will implode soon enough, the signs are all there. Tell them to stick it, but don't come crawling back in future years. The FA, will have to make a choice, keep tickling the tummy of the PL, or saying bog off, we are the footballing authority in this country, affiliated with the Football Associations all over the world, so you cannot play in our competitions.

[rallyboy]

if the Premier League wants to force a breakdown of relationship with the FL it will damage both parties.

 

They don't see that there's power on both sides - the FL teams could refuse to enter the FA cup, no more relegation, just cosy membership, same old sides playing each other, Wigan/Wolves v Bolton/Fulham again and again - that'll please Sky no end.

Viewing figures will drop, re-negotiation of tv money, less all round, back to the drawing board.

And Sky will have to pay a premium price for the lower league games and don't tell me they won't want Leeds v Millwall or a L2 playoff final.

 

I would be curious to know the precise relationship between FL and FA as well.

If the FA has responsibility for the sport then the Premier League's plans are clearly not in the interests of the sport as a whole and that leaves the competition outside of FIFA's control, it would be a competition purely for TV entertainment and with no international recognition - world wrestling anyone?

No Champion's League entry, no Prem players representing their countries?....

 

How about Scudamore shuts up, fecks off, stops hassling the rest of the sport and lets someone sensible negotiate properly and fairly.

[sidthesquid]

The feud between the FA & the FL is nearly as old as organised football itself. The FA were the founders and guardians of football, but basically amateur, southern and posh. The FL was founded in the north-west as a breakaway professional, working men's league, not dissimilar to the situation between the Rugby League and Union.

For most of the last century the FL had the upper hand, mostly running professional football with the FA only keeping it's claws on the non-league game, England and the FA Cup (which was why the FL started the League Cup and were always opposed to promotion/relegation in and out of the league).

Then, as tensions mounted about where football was heading in the late eighties, some whizzkid at the FA came up with the idea of the Prem, promising riches beyond reason if the top clubs split with the FL to join their league. One hundred years of hurt at FA HQ had been revenged and they were top dogs again. And now this is their chance to see the flat-caps of Lytham St Anne's off once and for all. Their desire for vengeance makes the Serb and Croats seem quite forgiving by comparison, but this - even more than the money - is what it is all about.

History lesson over!

[buctootim]

The feud between the FA & the FL is nearly as old as organised football itself. The FA were the founders and guardians of football, but basically amateur, southern and posh. The FL was founded in the north-west as a breakaway professional, working men's league, not dissimilar to the situation between the Rugby League and Union.

For most of the last century the FL had the upper hand, mostly running professional football with the FA only keeping it's claws on the non-league game, England and the FA Cup (which was why the FL started the League Cup and were always opposed to promotion/relegation in and out of the league).

Then, as tensions mounted about where football was heading in the late eighties, some whizzkid at the FA came up with the idea of the Prem, promising riches beyond reason if the top clubs split with the FL to join their league. One hundred years of hurt at FA HQ had been revenged and they were top dogs again. And now this is their chance to see the flat-caps of Lytham St Anne's off once and for all. Their desire for vengeance makes the Serb and Croats seem quite forgiving by comparison, but this - even more than the money - is what it is all about.

History lesson over!

 

I really struggle to reconcile Sids interesting and thoughtful posts with his Jedward avatar. Somehow the two just clash.

[capitalsaint]

I really struggle to reconcile Sids interesting and thoughtful posts with his Jedward avatar. Somehow the two just clash.

 

Lynch is a genius!

[sidthesquid]

Lynch is a genius!

 

I'm glad someone is paying attention. Jedward indeed!

(And Buctootim is not really one to comment on avatars unless it a self-porttrait or it's is Mrs Buctootim.)

Edited 1 May, 2010 by sidthesquid
another thought

[buctootim]

I'm glad someone is paying attention. Jedward indeed!

(And Buctootim is not really one to comment on avatars unless it a self-porttrait or it's is Mrs Buctootim.)

 

Fair point! I guess Lynch must be in some popular beat combo

[OldNick]

if the Premier League wants to force a breakdown of relationship with the FL it will damage both parties.

 

They don't see that there's power on both sides - the FL teams could refuse to enter the FA cup, no more relegation, just cosy membership, same old sides playing each other, Wigan/Wolves v Bolton/Fulham again and again - that'll please Sky no end.

Viewing figures will drop, re-negotiation of tv money, less all round, back to the drawing board.

And Sky will have to pay a premium price for the lower league games and don't tell me they won't want Leeds v Millwall or a L2 playoff final.

 

I would be curious to know the precise relationship between FL and FA as well.

If the FA has responsibility for the sport then the Premier League's plans are clearly not in the interests of the sport as a whole and that leaves the competition outside of FIFA's control, it would be a competition purely for TV entertainment and with no international recognition - world wrestling anyone?

No Champion's League entry, no Prem players representing their countries?....

 

How about Scudamore shuts up, fecks off, stops hassling the rest of the sport and lets someone sensible negotiate properly and fairly.

If the FL clubs back down they are just committing themselves for a short term gain. The PL will be with the same few clubs competing for promotion back to the PL.

No doubt if I were a PL club Id have a dofferent opinion, but I do hope NC is really pushing for this to be refused.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Anyone watching ssn listening to the prossie botherer waffling to the blue

few from the pitch...

 

Sad and pitiful.

[JackFrost]

oh dear god,

 

anyone seeing Avram talking on Fratton Park after their game on SSN?

 

Who the hell does he think he is?

 

"They can take points from us, they can fight us when we don't pay our taxes but they will never break our spirit" etc.etc.

 

When it comes to PR, that man is as bad at it as Gordon Brown

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Most of those players and fans with this "spirit" thingy he goes on about

won`t be there in the ccc (or lower) and probably not him either.

 

We will see the "spirit" then won`t we ....PMSL:lol:

[rallyboy]

just been told off for shouting 'pervert' at the tv.

[saint lard]

An extract from Grant addressing the crowd,i use the term crowd loosely, on the Fratton Pk pitch....

 

"If I could shake the hands of very one of you, I would. If anyone in the world wants to learn about passion, commitment, Fratton Park is the place to come. They can take points off us, they can put embargo on us, but they cannot destroy our spirit. Never! In two weeks, players, fans and staff will go to Wembley with the signs 'we did it, we did it'."

 

 

Vomit inducing bile from a class a ***** in front of inbred deluded ****s.

[mcjwills]

oh dear god,

 

anyone seeing Avram talking on Fratton Park after their game on SSN?

 

Who the hell does he think he is?

 

"They can take points from us, they can fight us when we don't pay our taxes but they will never break our spirit" etc.etc.

 

When it comes to PR, that man is as bad at it as Gordon Brown

 

Yeah and they will be totally deluded if they think he will their manager after the cup final

[benjii]

An extract from Grant addressing the crowd,i use the term crowd loosely, on the Fratton Pk pitch....

 

"If I could shake the hands of very one of you, I would. If anyone in the world wants to learn about passion, commitment, Fratton Park is the place to come. They can take points off us, they can put embargo on us, but they cannot destroy our spirit. Never! In two weeks, players, fans and staff will go to Wembley with the signs 'we did it, we did it'."

 

 

Vomit inducing bile from a class a ***** in front of inbred deluded ****s.

 

Probably best if they don't come for cup matches against Sunderland. They might think it is a little tiny bit ****e.

[beatlesaint]

An extract from Grant addressing the crowd,i use the term crowd loosely, on the Fratton Pk pitch....

 

"If I could shake the hands of very one of you, I would. If anyone in the world wants to learn about passion, commitment, Fratton Park is the place to come. They can take points off us, they can put embargo on us, but they cannot destroy our spirit. Never! In two weeks, players, fans and staff will go to Wembley with the signs 'we did it, we did it'."

 

 

Vomit inducing bile from a class a ***** in front of inbred deluded ****s.

 

As Jeff Stelling sarcastically commented it was Avram doing his Winston Churchill....difference was his version was sad, pathetic and cringeworthy.

[dubai_phil]

oh dear god,

 

anyone seeing Avram talking on Fratton Park after their game on SSN?

 

Who the hell does he think he is?

 

"They can take points from us, they can fight us when we don't pay our taxes but they will never break our spirit" etc.etc.

 

When it comes to PR, that man is as bad at it as Gordon Brown

 

 

My Gran has a response for Avram

 

 

[70's Mike]

would not take long to shake the hands of every one at Fratton NEXT SEASON

[saint lard]

We will fight them on the beaches...blah..blah..blah...

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/8647245.stm

[sidthesquid]

You look at the Wolves squad which mostly consists of journeyman pros & Poopey's, still with some relatively big names in it (never mind fees and wages!), and you wonder why Grant is worshipped (apart from the flukey FA Cup run) by the Blue few. Fee for fee, wage for wage, I bet Poopey's team costs three or four times that of Wolves. In a division with so much dross at the bottom you have to be real sh1te to finish sub-thirty points like they will.

Oh, and a great quote on Solent from a Poopey mong - 'If we can keep this squad together we will win the Championship next year'.

Du-urh

[View From The Top]

They are in for such a shock this closed season.

[pilsburydoughboy]

The mighty Fans at that **** hole down the road could not even fill the stadium for their last Prem game ever at Farton Park.

Best Fans in the world though my arse.

Chelsea will stuff them out of sight.

[sidthesquid]

Last game of last season, going down in admin from the CCC - 23927 fans. Poopey last game in Prem, still with a cup final to come - 19213 fans.

Sh1t ground, no fans. Sh1t fans (and soon I hope), no ground.

[Colinjb]

Last game of last season, going down in admin from the CCC - 23927 fans. Poopey last game in Prem, still with a cup final to come - 19213 fans.

Sh1t ground, no fans. Sh1t fans (and soon I hope), no ground.

 

No sizeable fanbase to speak of, no money at their disposal, no legitimate interested parties wanting to take them on, no infrastructure to call their own, no players of the quality their 'epic' fanbase expect that will want to play for them at championship level, no sympathy now from the public at large, no future, no hope.

 

I hope it was all worth it for those invertibrates.

[suewhistle]

An extract from Grant addressing the crowd,i use the term crowd loosely, on the Fratton Pk pitch....

 

"If I could shake the hands of very one of you, I would. .

 

Oh, come on now. That shouldnt be too difficult!

[Right sider]

You'd put them out of their misery and send em off in an Hampshire Ambulance but they would end up having to pay another fee! Let em die!!!!

[benjii]

The Wolves end looked packed too. Couple of thousand at least.

[oxfordshire_saint]

Massage Man's speech made me feel sick.

 

You're financial cheats, there's nothing valiant about your efforts. Being allowed to play on with a squad you can't afford was a bit like a credit-card addicted bankrupt being allowed to continue driving round in a Ferrari that they bought with all the cash they didn't really have.

 

The empty seats were really a lesson in passion weren't they Avram?

 

Be interesting to see just how quickly he flees the club he "loves" as soon as that FA Cup Final finishes.

[Saint in Paradise]

Wolves were allocated 2400 according to their OS.