dubai_phil Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 IMHO once the Court Case is out the way, this place is likely to get busy again, I think many things have been placed on hold pending the outcome, not just the points deduction issue. We'll see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red and White Army Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 No sign of the Guardian expose that someone here mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony13579 Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 No sign of the Guardian expose that someone here mentioned. apart from the £1.5+ millions that cannot be accounted for in any of the books, reported in ... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/portsmouth/7423568/Portsmouth-administrators-investigate-missing-millions.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red and White Army Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 That is in the Telegraph, not the Guardian! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=756065&sec=england&cc=5739&cc=5739 lol The PR really is cringeworthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/mar/16/mawhinney-npower-portsmouth-championship The fifth man?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony13579 Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 (edited) Portsmouth’s Infinite Improbability Drive The Infinite Improbability Drive is a fictional faster-than-light drive. The most prominent usage of the drive is in the survival of Portsmouth City Football Club LTD It is based on a particular perception of Storrie Teller Quantum Physics: a sub(fr)atomic particle is most likely to be in a particular place, such as near the nucleus of an atom, but there is also a small probability of it being found very far from its point of origin (for example close many to imported stars on loan with out paying thier tax). Thus, a body could travel from league to league to place without passing through the intervening insolvency (or demotion for that matter), if you had sufficient control of probability/improbility. The Portsmouth City Football Club LTD was the prototype pyramid scheme for infinitely improbable spending and financial success. The principle is that as they spend money and sell assets they will reach infinite improbability of finding a billionaire wanting to buy them, the club passes simultaneously through every conceivable and inconceivable crisis in every conceivable and inconceivable universe (in other words, when one activates the Infinite Improbability Drive, the club is literally everywhere at once). It is then possible to decide at which point you actually want to be when improbability levels decrease. It is the infinite improbability drive in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Premiership that saves Andrew Android and Avram Grant from very probable death by Liquidation in blue square league after being thrown out of the Premier and championship leagues; the improbable odds against being rescued being two raised to the power of the Portsea Island Co-op phone number (01329223000) where Harry Rednap had met Peter Storrie and handed a brown envelope with the account number of a Swiss bank account, the two, who were previously entwined with Portsmouth City Football Club LTD whilst being pursued by HRMC with Judge Norris. It was the eviction of Harry Rednap out the many former clubs just before administration of the Vogon league clubs that led to his own "invention" of the Infinite Improbability Drive. Peter Storrie realized that he had worked the story into a dead end, thinking in frustration that the only solutions would be "infinitely improbable." In a flash of insight and what Peter Storrie called "mental jujitsu", the Infinite Improbability Drive was born. And the hiring of Israeli lawyer Daniel Azougy, a convicted fraudster. Edited 16 March, 2010 by tony13579 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 we need Lord Mawhinney to stay and judge portsmouth in the championship before he retires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 so when's the court case starting today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 LMAO, just realised the Skates 'backing' What a bunch of c()nts they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 If skates argue the points deduction, they may end up delaying them. If the points are not taken off by 27 March then they will be deferred to next season, and become 10 points. I suggest they appeal, fight it for a couple of weeks, the case they gets dismissed as irrelevant as the points will be next season. They then start next season on -10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 Who cares if they get the points deduction or not? They are blatently going down anyway. What is more interesting is whether or not they start next season in the Championship with any sort of penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 If skates argue the points deduction, they may end up delaying them. If the points are not taken off by 27 March then they will be deferred to next season, and become 10 points. I suggest they appeal, fight it for a couple of weeks, the case they gets dismissed as irrelevant as the points will be next season. They then start next season on -10. I believe that only applies to the FL and not the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 If skates argue the points deduction, they may end up delaying them. If the points are not taken off by 27 March then they will be deferred to next season, and become 10 points. I suggest they appeal, fight it for a couple of weeks, the case they gets dismissed as irrelevant as the points will be next season. They then start next season on -10. Unfortunately, I don't think there is a cut-off date in the PL, or that they would be carried over to next season if relegated without the deduction. However, I am pretty confident they will start next season on at least -15 without them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 Are they in court yet ? thought it was 10.30? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 It seems Chanrai has come to the same conclusion as SWF regarding Pompey's latest chancers: http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/newshome/Chainrai-worried-about-39chancers39.6154606.jp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wibble Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 High Court have declared Portsmouth administration valid and the winding up order suspended. Breaking news on Sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 Just come on SSN, Breaking news. Court declares Pompey's Administrator valid and the winding up order has been suspended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysstuff Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 Suspended and not thrown out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 Suspended and not thrown out? meaning if Pompey can't find a white knight and their debts continue to escalate the WUO will return one day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysstuff Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 meaning if Pompey can't find a white knight and their debts continue to escalate the WUO will return one day? One would hope so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 It seems Chanrai has come to the same conclusion as SWF regarding Pompey's latest chancers: http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/newshome/Chainrai-worried-about-39chancers39.6154606.jp We're always ahead of the game on here! I notice that in the News article it's stated that Lloyd's consortium is "in the process of handing over a £3M bond to administrator Andrew Andronikou." How long will this process take I wonder? Presumably the handing over part wouldn't take too long, so I can only assume that the main part of the process is actually finding the £3M in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey-deacons-left-nut Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 It could be those pesky bank files at work again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shufty Zubrik Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 'Balu is worried about the poor fans who have heard this sort of thing so many times. 'He hopes these aren't a bunch of chancers.' Bit late for that - we all know that skates are a bunch of chancers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 If skates argue the points deduction, they may end up delaying them. If the points are not taken off by 27 March then they will be deferred to next season, and become 10 points. I suggest they appeal, fight it for a couple of weeks, the case they gets dismissed as irrelevant as the points will be next season. They then start next season on -10. I believe that only applies to the FL and not the PL. Unfortunately, I don't think there is a cut-off date in the PL, or that they would be carried over to next season if relegated without the deduction. However, I am pretty confident they will start next season on at least -15 without them. http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/12249.html?CMP=OTC-RSS Their adminstrator thinks deadline applies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 Details of courts decision demanding ongoing close monitoring by creditors. http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/newshome/Pompey-administration-is-39valid39.6155057.jp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 Details of courts decision demanding ongoing close monitoring by creditors. http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/newshome/Pompey-administration-is-39valid39.6155057.jp Smug looking c**t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 From the pimpey news..... After the hearing, joint administrator Peter Kubik said: 'We are very happy about what has been agreed at court today. It means we can now progress with positive meetings with the Premier League which are due to take place tomorrow.' Here we go again then. I wonder when the next board meeting of the PL is to ratify to -9. Yes it matters to me ok, even if they're sure to be relegated. It also sets an extremely important precedent for future administration events in the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 Latest Update from Matt Slater of BBC via Twitter.... bbc_matt - Interesting tidbits 2 emerge r Chainrai loaned PFC £16.5m but got £4m back & administrators 2 pay costs of HMRC challenge. -9pts on Thurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 Old Pompey Blue, Peaceful, Bright & Sunny in Wonderland! 16/03/2010 11:33:15 Hockster Any new owners will be aware of the debt, besides I just think AA will strike a deal that meets with HMRC approval. They don't want to mess with him anymore! Old Pompey Blue in cloud cuckoo land, OMG. The only deal that meets HMRC approval will be 100p in every pound. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_mears Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 I dont think they have heard the last of HMRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 They can spin it how they like but the fact that they have to pay the court costs and that the creditor meeting will have to be a lot earlier than would have happened otherwise makes it appear that HMRC got more than the admins had hoped for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 I believe that only applies to the FL and not the PL. Unfortunately, I don't think there is a cut-off date in the PL, or that they would be carried over to next season if relegated without the deduction. You are both being harsh on NickG when he is in fact correct... http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=756488&sec=england&cc=5739&cc=5739 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 Anyone seen this? What a ****ing idiot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 He has really given the taxman a kicking today, HMRC has run off with his tail between his legs and will have to settle for 100p in the £ whenever he demands it, and has been awarded costs, another great court victory against the odds for plucky Pompey! I think AA should fight the deduction all the way. Go on admin boy, you have the moral high ground, the whole of football is behind you, it's not fair, go contest it, football should be decided on the pitch, by correctly registered players etc - well don't worry about that last one, anyway drag it out for a couple of weeks, please. If you could get a tracksuit with your intitials on it might help with your team talks. Any coach with bottle would invite you to get the feck out of his team meeting and get on with your job but you are obviously well qualified to advise on all trades from finance to zonal marking. And just when we thought Chainrai didn't do irony he comes out with this quote about the group bidding to buy...'He hopes these aren't a bunch of chancers.' Mmmm. Where's Storrie when you need a laugh? I'm missing his version of world affairs, though Grant has stepped in to his shoes and does some great stand up - go on Avram, tell us the one about how your league record makes Adams and Hart look like coaching legends yet you still get people measuring you up for a statue - or perhaps the one about 250,000 people loving the club, and how 390 of them made it to Liverpool - spin that into a positive storrie! The fans have abandoned ship. Storrie and Grant - the saviours of Pompey, AA giving footballers advice. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/12249.html?CMP=OTC-RSS Their adminstrator thinks deadline applies Wow, fantastic! Thanks for the link. So there is still a possibility of it being -25 in Poorsmuff come August! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 (edited) You are both being harsh on NickG when he is in fact correct... http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=756488&sec=england&cc=5739&cc=5739 Neither of us were in any way 'harsh' on NickG, and I am sure that SOS will be as happy as I am that we were wrong. Edited 16 March, 2010 by Minsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony13579 Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 so that will be crossing the I's dotting the t's .... and The administrators must also pay HRMC's costs of going to court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 Anyone seen this? What a ****ing idiot! Strangley, it just made me laugh, and I actually felt sorry for them. The bit at the end was classic - 'this isn't just about the cup - we can stay up now...!' Not only does he dress and act like a clown - he thinks like one too, deluded fool. I also wonder whether fans of any other team would want such a character as thier 'self professed leader' - he's kind of a dirty, filthy, gungy and grimey looking character - hope he's not representative of the rest. Here we are, two leagues belowe them - and I wouldn't swap fortunes for the world, strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 What happens if they exit administration without a CVA, this season. Will they get the -15 this year or next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 You are both being harsh on NickG when he is in fact correct... http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=756488&sec=england&cc=5739&cc=5739 Myself and I'm sure Minsk weren't intending to be 'harsh'. Nick was right, we were wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 What happens if they exit administration without a CVA, this season. Will they get the -15 this year or next? Taken from a 606 forum "However, the insolvency policy also acknowledges that the approval of a formal CVA may not always be possible and contains a provision which contemplates a club being permitted to continue as a member club without a CVA. This only applies in ‘exceptional circumstances’ and is at the absolute discretion of The Football League Board" Assuming things carry over to next season, forget -15 points, effectively they could be denied permission to play in the Football League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 Assuming things carry over to next season That's the problem, if pompey are sold next week they will probably get away scott free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 Slack reporting or is -£95m the latest state of play ? - Blimey ! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8570134.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 I see the debts have risen to £95m according to the BBC.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8570134.stm Is this because Chainrai has lent them some more money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 Portsmouth’s Infinite Improbability Drive The Infinite Improbability Drive is a fictional faster-than-light drive. The most prominent usage of the drive is in the survival of Portsmouth City Football Club LTD It is based on a particular perception of Storrie Teller Quantum Physics: a subatomic particle is most likely to be in a particular place, such as near the nucleus of an atom, but there is also a small probability of it being found very far from its point of origin (for example close many to distant stars on loan with out paying thier tax). Thus, a body could travel from league to league to place without passing through the intervening insolvency (or demotion that matter), if you had sufficient control of probability. The Portsmouth City Football Club LTD was the prototype pyramid scheme for infinitely improbable spending and financial success. The principle is that as they spend money and sell assets they will reach infinite improbability of finding a billionaire wanting to buy them, the ship passes simultaneously through every conceivable and inconceivable crisis in every conceivable and inconceivable universe (in other words, when one activates the Infinite Improbability Drive, the club is literally everywhere at once). It is then possible to decide at which point you actually want to be when improbability levels decrease. It is the infinite improbability drive in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Premiership that saves Andrew Android and Avram Grant from very probable death by Liquidation in blue square league after being thrown out of the Premier and championship leagues; the improbable odds against being rescued being two raised to the power of the Portsea Island Co-op phone number (01329223000) where Harry Rednap had met Peter Storrie and handed a brown envelope with the account number of a Swiss bank account, who were previously entwined with Portsmouth City Football Club LTD whilst being pursued by HRMC with Judge Norris. It was the eviction of Harry Rednap out the many former clubs just before administration of the Vogon league clubs that led to his own "invention" of the Infinite Improbability Drive. Peter Storrie realized that he had worked the story into a dead end, thinking in frustration that the only solutions would be "infinitely improbable." In a flash of insight and what Peter Storrie called "mental jujitsu", the Infinite Improbability Drive was born. And the hiring of Israeli lawyer Daniel Azougy, a convicted fraudster. lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wibble Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE62F22920100316 Premier League Portsmouth could come out of administration in six to eight weeks, administrator Andrew Andronikou said on Tuesday after a High Court winding up order was suspended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 He has really given the taxman a kicking today, HMRC has run off with his tail between his legs and will have to settle for 100p in the £ whenever he demands it, and has been awarded costs, another great court victory against the odds for plucky Pompey! I must admit that I did smile when SSN reported last night that Pompey had had a good day in Court yesterday for a change. Sure, they lost. And now owe Campbell £1.72m (and I'm sure pay his costs as well), as an unsecured creditor, who will be paid at exactly the same time as all the other football-related unsecured creditors. Lucky for them they didn't have a bad day, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 So now the deal is that you can buy £95m of debt for only £30m. No wonder those hedge fund boys are interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 16 March, 2010 Share Posted 16 March, 2010 This is pompey PR, in the world of pompey "a few days" is about 6 weeks, so 6 to 8 weeks is getting on for a year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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