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I would say it's still 50/50 as to wether you'll even have a club to support in 10 days time so I wouldn't go buying your Wembley ticket just yet.

 

I wont be going anyway. I'm in Tokyo. :( Actually I'm not that gutted, been their 3 times in 3 seasons, so musn't be greedy. The parents in law will have my tickets. :)

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Try to enjoy it whilst you can. You will be down for a very very long time and it's how it should be.

 

Who Knows Hypo, not sure I agree, but thanks, I am enjoying it! Feeling much affection for our merry band of mercenaries. :D

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Having been so venemous on here the last week or so, Its very Quiet on here tonight innit? Sure you'll all be back with the next set of 'revelations'. Bunch of ambulance chasers and grief peepers! Don't worry, I'm sure you'll have the last laugh? ;)

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Pompey are now a serious embarrassment to both the Premier League and the FA. Well done. Hope HMRC do the decent thing and put everyone out of their misery. I would fully support the reinstatement of Birmingham City in the semi final if Pompey go under. They play in blue and apart from the obvious gulf in footballing ability and the class of fans following them, no one would really notice.

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Who Knows Hypo, not sure I agree, but thanks, I am enjoying it! Feeling much affection for our merry band of mercenaries. :D

 

Why is that then? Look at your situation from non biased eyes. Why on Earth would anyone buy you now? What would they possibly have to gain? In all likelihood you will have more points deductions next season which may well condemn you to league one just as we get promoted so we can switch places. Tell me does that sound likely to you? It certainly seems more likely than you getting anywhere near the prem again any time soon. You have ZERO infrastructure. You train in Southampton FFS! The town of your most hated rivals and you can't even afford to train in your own dump of a city. You don't own your ground, half your players should not be playing for you by rights, you cheated your way to your last FA cup and have now tried every single trick in the book to delay hearings and to get out of receiving justice.

 

Can I also add that in my eyes you are worse than Corp Ho. At least he comes on here and acts like a c*nt up front. You try and dress up your views and opinions but deep down you are a filthy skate b*stard like the rest of them and from time to time it spills out. You and your grotty pathetic excuse for a club will either be gone soon or below us once more and will thus be rendered insignificant again. Only a fool would bet on you being anywhere until you build a new ground to support halfway decent football. I am embarrassed on your behalf about some of the things you have written on here today but then I'm not surprised from a skate. You disgust me.

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Can I also add that in my eyes you are worse than Corp Ho. At least he comes on here and acts like a c*nt up front. You try and dress up your views and opinions but deep down you are a filthy skate b*stard like the rest of them and from time to time it spills out. You and your grotty pathetic excuse for a club will either be gone soon or below us once more and will thus be rendered insignificant again. Only a fool would bet on you being anywhere until you build a new ground to support halfway decent football. I am embarrassed on your behalf about some of the things you have written on here today but then I'm not surprised from a skate. You disgust me.

 

Been on the Sauce Hypo? Make no mistake, I am 100% Pompey, I don't 'dress up' my views as anything? I think you are confusing good manners and politeness on a rivals message board as something else? I can have a sensible debate and a laugh, with many on here, clearly your not one of them. You dont disgust me, I pity you. :(

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Must admit I'm deeply touched by the overwhelming support you pony boys are giving us Skates in our FA Cup venture:D,,,,,At least you cant come up with the (you bought the cup) this time:roll:

 

But that's exactly the point - we can. You don't get it do you - I suggest you read Phils post of a couple of days ago, which highlights the basics. (Cant be assed to go find it now). HMRC have had enough of trying through fair means to get you to pay your dues - you owe them millions, however you have no money to pay because it has all been spent on players and player wages. You should not have players that you cannot afford.

 

A high court judge has said that she suspects that you have been trading whilst insolvent - you have been living beyond your means - you have been playing players that you cannot afford. That is toutamont to cheating.

 

Therefore, once again you have bought the cup with money that should have gone elsewhere. Had you payed your debts and taxes, you would not have the playing staff that you currently do, ergo you probably would not have achieved the results that you have.

 

Personally I couldn't give a stuff about you knocking us out of the cup - unlikely that we were going to win it anyway. However, the likes of Birmingham who might have a better chance of success could feel very agrieved about the situation.

 

I sincerely hope you go on to win the cup - won by a club that has lied, cheated and decieved it's fans, the FA, HMCR and the Courts. Let's all celebrate the fact that the Premier Leagues Flagship Trophy competition was won by a team cheating their way through both Cup and League games.

 

S P O R T - good init.

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Been on the Sauce Hypo? Make no mistake, I am 100% Pompey, I don't 'dress up' my views as anything? I think you are confusing good manners and politeness on a rivals message board as something else? I can have a sensible debate and a laugh, with many on here, clearly your not one of them. You dont disgust me, I pity you. :(

 

You have shown your true colours with your pathetic gloating tonight and all because you got to a semi final by keeping players despite trading insolvently. The club you support makes me sick.

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You have shown your true colours with your pathetic gloating tonight and all because you got to a semi final by keeping players despite trading insolvently. The club you support makes me sick.

 

Relax, they'll get their due...

 

I'm of the opinion that they'll be supporting AFC Pompey or whatever next season, leaving behind a wreck that'll be held up as being all that's wrong with football, an icon of dishonesty, cheating, and financial suicide.

 

They want their 'success' to carry over to the new Pompey? That's fine, but in that case their bad reputation will follow them as well.

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F**k me, we really are jealous (envious?) after today aren't we!

 

Don't blame the skate c**ts for gloating though really, we'd be the same...

 

Just a bit fed up of PES masquerading as some sort of great PFC fan who is OK when it suits him but can then act like a d*ck when he feels like it.

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What a shame Nottarf is so small. Perhaps if they chose to move to the Rosebowl there could be a way for them to raise their money....

 

Seems everybody wants to buy IPL franchises these days rather than EPL clubs....

 

Cricinfo

The bidders' identities have not been made public but Cricinfo understands there are between eight and 12 investors who have met the various conditions and are prepared to start bidding at $225 million, with the bids expected to touch $300 million. We know which cities are in the fray, though: Pune, Ahmedabad, Nagpur, Kanpur, Dharamsala, Vizag, Rajkot, Cuttack, Baroda, Kochi, Indore and Gwalior. Click here for more.

 

http://www.cricinfo.com/ipl2010/content/current/story/451014.html

 

Then step back a second - $225mil is just about 150mil quid - which was about the amount of money a buyer would have needed pre-admin.

 

So - Snide remark version 1) See, should have sent Storrie to India and done a deal with Rod

2) Must be heartening to know you are worth less than a cricket team in India

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What do you expect after all the vitriol and hate dished out to us on here? I stumbled across this forum originally and only got involved because I started reading a few posts, and felt that even though it's your board some of the outright lies peddled on here as fact about Pompey needed answering.

 

You've got to admit though, there has been quite a lot of stuff that has turned out to be true that appeared here long before it appeared in the press.

 

And a lot of the questions we've been asking, were asked by HMRC barristers in court - something they wouldn't have done if we were spouting 'outright lies'.

 

Admittedly, there has been some crap from our side, but you can't honestly say there hasn't been from yours as well.

 

As for vitriol and hate, some posts made last night towards you in particular I found distasteful, although my impression is they were alcohol fueled, and while I think healthy banter is good for both sides, lets try not to make things personal, eh?

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Ouch, Exclusivity in an Admin situation is very risky as we all know. Pinnacle pulled that stunt. They proved funds, they found a way to meet the requirements of the deposit.

 

It is a tough call though, as the cost of Due Dilligence is high, and the potential mess at PCFC makes that work even harder and possibly longer.

 

With SLH there were TWO periods of Due Dilligence. The first one was after proving funds. Around 32 parties were interested and received the Sales Information Packs. The next step of DD was to spend some time with the club and seek out more complete details of contracts and liabilities, look at the cash flow forecasts etc. That process took a couple of days. The information then allowed a conditional bid to be made (subject to the Forensic Accounting Due Dilligence phase).

 

So it is interesting to see the Exclusivity demand. It sits rather early in the entire bidding/admin process, and as we saw at SLH the publicly stated bids were not all they seemed to be.

 

Draw conclusions as appropriate

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That's like saying "I'm a millionaire - I robbed a bank, but I'm still a millionaire!"

I can't believe that you can feel any pride now you are aware of the how the FA Cup was won and indeed how you have got to the semis this year.

:rolleyes:

 

thats assuming that 2 years ago we were operating illegally and not paying tax though, AFAIK we were operating like alot of prem clubs do with loans and overdrafts.

 

Since sasha decided to withdraw funding after the FA cup win thats when we started the non-paying cycle

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"But the FA, while sensitive to Portsmouth's plight, are adamant there can be no exceptions to the rule and will demand an explanation from Fratton Park as to why they should release the payment."

 

 

The FA should act with the EPL and distribute the cash to creditors. Otherwise it will disappear into a blue hole.

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On a serious note though, don't you all find it disgusting that the Premier League and their sponsors / funders (i.e. Sky) seem happy to support Pompey to continue to flourish when they are clearly not paying their way?

 

During these difficult times, many of you may be struggling to juggle your finances and many of you may be involved with small businesses struggling to survive in the current climate.

 

With the country upto its plums in debt, surely HMRC needs to maximise tax income. I just can't get my head around how the PL think it is even remotely appropriate for Pompey to bring in new players in the January window with this current debt outstanding.

 

For me, it shows that the PL has lost touch with reasonable society. It is eliteist, looking after its selective membership. It has no social responsibility for the masses, just the best interests of it's overpaid, poorly managed, greedy members.

 

At the point in writing, I have become disenfranchised with this product and it's partners. The saving grace for me is that my beloved Saints aren't involved with this illegal cartel and, if it stays this way, I would be happy to remain in the football league where the penalties for financial mismanagement are indeed harsh, but set the right example to those wishing to extend themselves beyond their reasonable means.

 

To back up my disatisfaction, I have today cancelled my Sky subscription as I no longer have interest in this stinking, fraudulent "Premier League". The wages may be "premier", but the morals and social responsibiliy isn't. I'm no longer prepared to contribute to the funding of such a corrupt product.

 

Maybe there should be a campaign for real fans to apply pressure to the Premier League, maybe via their funders to get their housing in order.

 

Anyway, rant over!!

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/mar/07/portsmouth-havant-waterlooville-groundshare

 

LOL moment of the morning

 

"The trust would plan for temporary seating, taking the capacity at Havant up to a minimum of 6,500. Mike Hall, a trust member and key architect of the proposal, said: "The initial plan is to use Fratton Park, and only move if this is unavailable. If we were able to stay I would expect the average gate to be higher in the Conference than it has been in the Premier League this season."

 

Interestingly half listening to Talksport this morning with Mark Saggers & Micky Quinn - Quinn is just being his usual Pompey supporting self - they've got a journalist on (think he might be from the Guardian) who has just mentioned the suspicion that Arkadi Gaydemak might be behind it all. Both the hosts ignored it, but thats the first time I've heard Arkai being mentioned like that!!

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...le-groundshare

 

I like this bit:

 

 

Mike Hall, a trust member and key architect of the proposal, said: "The initial plan is to use Fratton Park, and only move if this is unavailable. If we were able to stay I would expect the average gate to be higher in the Conference than it has been in the Premier League this season."

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Interesting article, but this struck me as odd:

 

The trust would plan for temporary seating, taking the capacity at Havant up to a minimum of 6,500. Mike Hall, a trust member and key architect of the proposal, said: "The initial plan is to use Fratton Park, and only move if this is unavailable. If we were able to stay I would expect the average gate to be higher in the Conference than it has been in the Premier League this season.

 

What f*cking planet is this guy living on!? If he thinks that AFC P*mpey will get 17,000+ average attendance in the conference he's seriously mistaken. What a total mong.

 

 

EDIT: Seems that 2 people got there before me :(

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/mar/07/portsmouth-havant-waterlooville-groundshare

 

LOL moment of the morning

 

"The trust would plan for temporary seating, taking the capacity at Havant up to a minimum of 6,500. Mike Hall, a trust member and key architect of the proposal, said: "The initial plan is to use Fratton Park, and only move if this is unavailable. If we were able to stay I would expect the average gate to be higher in the Conference than it has been in the Premier League this season."

 

Interestingly half listening to Talksport this morning with Mark Saggers & Micky Quinn - Quinn is just being his usual Pompey supporting self - they've got a journalist on (think he might be from the Guardian) who has just mentioned the suspicion that Arkadi Gaydemak might be behind it all. Both the hosts ignored it, but thats the first time I've heard Arkai being mentioned like that!!

 

Another interesting bit:

 

Portsmouth, who have had more owners than league wins at Fratton Park this season, are due in court again on 15 March when the process by which they went into administration is under challenge from Her Majesty's Revenue & Customs. They expect to settle that case in their favour, possibly this week, but the club, who have played at Fratton since their formation in 1898, could yet be wound up.

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Good comment at the bottom from CoventryBlueNose

 

The thing is Pompeii are fielding players they cannot afford and who are effectively being paid out of HMRC and other creditors' money. The administrator has done nothing so far to reduce the wage bill and I would of thought that in the first instance some of the loan players should have been sent back!

 

Funny how you never read similar views from journalists - Maybe they are scared of finding a landmine under the car?

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You have shown your true colours with your pathetic gloating tonight and all because you got to a semi final by keeping players despite trading insolvently. The club you support makes me sick.

 

WTF are you talking about Hypo? I'm a Pompey fan, one who for whatever perverse reason sticks around on a rivals message board taking in oodles of bile from rivals, thats fine, I accept it, but your showing a stunning lack of stiff upper lip on the one day in the best part of a month that 'appears' to of gone Pompey's way. I support Pompey, in what footballing world would I not of been happy today? And besides, After the lilly-livered way you failed to take yesterday on the chin, I'm seriously questioning why I'm taking the time to even reply your lack of insight and childish reaction you displayed last night. OMG I 'Showed your true colours!' .......sheeeeshhhh! :(

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I just had to respond to the whining git who thought that it was grossly unfair on those fans and those seeking to save the club, that they were being penalised for the sins of their various assorted owners and managers.

 

They still can't understand that it is also grossly unfair that they have advanced in the FA Cup competitions both a couple of years ago and currently, by fielding players that they cannot afford.

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Harry Redknapp being interviewed live on Talksport at the moment. Not said much about Pompey but two interesting things: indicated there was a bit of tension behind the scenes (Edit: just before he left to go to Spurs) and Pompey got £5m compensation for him going to Spurs.

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PES, has your administrator managed to dig out any evidence that your administration is legit yet? Genuine question.

 

I've no Idea aint, you know more than me. I come on here to find out whats going on with Pompey, so hopefully Dubai Phil can shed some light on events. :)

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F**k me, we really are jealous (envious?) after today aren't we!

 

Don't blame the skate c**ts for gloating though really, we'd be the same...

 

Scott, I can only think that many posters on here live miles away from the frontline! The complete failure to take the gentlest jibes on the chin suggests to me were I a Saint, I wouldn't want to be in the trenches with them. :D

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I've no Idea aint, you know more than me. I come on here to find out whats going on with Pompey, so hopefully Dubai Phil can shed some light on events. :)

 

 

IMHO

 

I think you will get out of it.

 

But the really important point that your admin & Board have to take on is that they have to stop thinking that "They have got away with it".

 

There is a difference.

 

Tsun Tsu he say, "when standing alone faced by 500 people pointing Uzi's at you wise man he say. Oh hi, look I'm sorry can we work this out?"

 

The "Look behind you" approach works once but not a dozen times and the feck you feck your rules and feck your guns tends to have only one outcome

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So no "gardening leave" for PES !!

 

lol, no gardening leave for me Tame. I do however reserve the right to duck out for a few days when it can, at times, resemble a sharks feeding frenzy on here. No chance of any sensible debate when you guys get the smell of blood in your nostrils! :)

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The bottom line is that despite the title of this thread, the takeover has NOT collapsed, Al Fahim has NOT failed the FPPT, we are NOT going down and we are NOT going into administration.

 

You might as well lock this one down, because remember: "It's the hope that kills you".

 

 

My favourite bit too...

 

PMSL

 

Yep, fair play. But the last line still applies to most of you on this thread who are aching to see us go pop permanently and disappear. It won't happen. Sorry...

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For someone who is supposed to be not in the first flush of youth you do have a selective memory. That cesspit known as the dell barely held 15,000 in all seater form and yet you go on as if you've been paying in the Bernebau for the last 50 years. No one cares that you might get good crowds in a newish stadium- you're a third division club, end of......

 

You're apparently not intelligent enough to avoid shooting yourself in the foot from your own utterances. The point is that when we had our 15000 capacity at the Dell in the Premiership, we pretty well always filled it. You can't even fill your cruddy shed with 20,000 capacity. You do realise that we are just a third division club, but how does it make you look that we have several times this season had much higher attendances than you? If you interpreted what I said as me believing that we had been playing in the Bernabau these last 50 years, then I have to express serious doubts about you lack of comprehension of the English Language. But then again, I wouldn't expect standards of Education to be high in Skatesmouth.

 

Do you know what? We're going to come out of this mess a lot less damaged than you all think. Still, after todays final nail in the coffin for making the payoffs, I suppose all you've got left is to have a go at us. Even that's not working out at the moment is it?

Carry on deluding yourself if it gives you comfort. If you firmly believe that you'll come out of this less damaged than we think, then why has your supporters' trust made contingency plans for ground-sharing at Havant and Waterlooville in the Conference League? Are you going to tell them that they're all idiots?

 

We're still here, and we'll continue to still be here whether you like or not......

 

Your prowess at crystal ball reading is obviously better than mine. Personally I think that you'll be wound up. Whether you like it or not. Let's just bide our time and see who is right, without jumping the gun.

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I wont be going anyway. I'm in Tokyo. :(

 

Ah, so. Me and the wife are going there next year on some free flights we got from Virgin. Just started looking at other costs, hotels, transport etc. Any tips you could give us?

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Interestingly half listening to Talksport this morning with Mark Saggers & Micky Quinn - Quinn is just being his usual Pompey supporting self - they've got a journalist on (think he might be from the Guardian) who has just mentioned the suspicion that Arkadi Gaydemak might be behind it all. Both the hosts ignored it, but thats the first time I've heard Arkai being mentioned like that!!

 

Quinn is a bloody joker, all this "what a great story" and "unbelievable" about them reaching the semi's. Christ sake they only beat Cov (somehow) a 3rd flight outfit (after being outplayed), Sunderland who are on an awful run (at Fratton) and Brum, again at home, with a dodgey decision.

 

The way this is being spun, anyone would think they're matching Herefored in '74 or Chesterfield in '97. I seem to recall watford were deep in the mire when we played them in the '03 semi, and they were near the bottom of the Championship. What about Wycombe or the afor mentioned Chesterfield.

 

Did you also hear Quinn's dig at Fulham, how they "let people in for free to fill their ground". In the next breath, he's fawning over the Blue Few.

 

It's clowns like Quinn and lazy journo's, that fuel the myth of the "worlds best supporters". The facts are all there to see, attendances are published each week.

 

Poorsmouth in the Semi Final of the FA Cup, is the non story of the season.

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Yep, fair play. But the last line still applies to most of you on this thread who are aching to see us go pop permanently and disappear. It won't happen. Sorry...

The key to your club will be "What Happens to Fratton Park?", when the assets are sold. I believe this site first pointed out that the reported asset transfer of Fratton from PCFC to Portpin would be invalid, despite all the Pompey sites and newspapers reporting that Chanrai owned Fratton because of the loan default by Falconedrone. So, it will be sold, along with all the other assets, to the highest bidder, by, IMO, a new administrator, appointed by the court.

 

The next question will be "What will be the most profitable use of Fratton Park, when it is sold?" IMHO, its use as a football ground by a club which will continue to lose money, will not form the basis of a long term business plan. I see no sensible alternative to the sale of Fratton Park for redevelopment, maximising the return for the creditors of PCFC (whoever they turn out to be).

 

Groundsharing would make the most sense for the 10-12,000 fans that will watch a Championship club spending a season being relegated to the first division, while funds are raised for the construction of a new stadium, a la Brighton. A 25-30,000 seater is the minimum for an aspiring Championship club that Portsmouth, at best, will be in two seasons.

 

Too many heartless property developers have Fratton Park surrounded. Anyone that profits from the sale of landmines to Angola, are hardly likely to show any affection for the dump that Fratton Park has become, despite the romance of an FA Cup run financed by the taxpayer...

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Ah, so. Me and the wife are going there next year on some free flights we got from Virgin. Just started looking at other costs, hotels, transport etc. Any tips you could give us?

 

You might ask the Storrie teller, he knows about free holidays and flights!;)

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