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Pamplemousse

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I am intrigued to what Corp Ho thinks of their playoff chances.

If you are reading this Corp, please could you give us a Pompey transfer round-up in the summer, cheers. Been too long since your last

 

He is reading this thread, don't you worry about it. He posted about us on POL this morning.

 

Funny thing is on their uber conspiracy thread they constantly talk about us having open top bus parades as if we have one every week. What are they going to do for the 50th Anniversary? A round the world cruise hosted by Barry Manilow?

 

In other uber thread news I read this week that according to their reading of our accounts our finances are unsustainable and mean we're going bust because we're overspending. Apparently the Trust blocking additional investment is now enshrined as FACT in their minds even though it was explained at length on here that the Trust couldn't physically do that.

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I am intrigued to what Corp Ho thinks of their playoff chances.

If you are reading this Corp, please could you give us a Pompey transfer round-up in the summer, cheers. Been too long since your last

Ho will only post when he has something to brag about. I told him so when he posted when they were in the PL but as soon as they went down he disappeared. Personally he was fine, he liked his club and wanted to big them up. At least he wasnt a thick head who just screamed Scummer. Funnily enough they all left except Mackrill who is a closet Saints fan
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He is reading this thread, don't you worry about it. He posted about us on POL this morning.
I think you can only block if you have a majprity, and IMO he is correct that the Trust is on the board to help reduce the capital the HNW's had to put in
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Ho will only post when he has something to brag about. I told him so when he posted when they were in the PL but as soon as they went down he disappeared. Personally he was fine, he liked his club and wanted to big them up. At least he wasnt a thick head who just screamed Scummer. Funnily enough they all left except Mackrill who is a closet Saints fan

 

:D not only that they banned me from chimp on line for being onist,

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FourFourTwo just tweeted this article, it's from 2004. There is a classic quote.

 

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/navy-larks-monty-python-and-dalai-lama-why-southampton-vs-portsmouth-more-game

 

 

 

:o :o :o

 

I hate that you can't quote other people's quotes.

 

As a once outsider I can confirm that "what everyone else thinks about the two clubs" is as follows:

 

Pre-1950: Portsmouth big crowds, navy town, successful because of the War. Southampton - Do they have a team?

Pre-1980: Portsmouth and Southampton lower league sides, similar sized grounds, basically irrelevant.

Early 80s: Southampton relatively successful underdog with small ground, Kevin Keegan, Portsmouth in the 4th division or thereabouts.

Mid-80s-2003: Southampton top tier side with small ground mostly fighting relegation, Matt Le Tissier! Portsmouth up for a season, 2nd tier stalwarts, FA Cup semi-final.

2003-2005: Southampton - nice new boring ground, James Beattie, Cup Final. Portsmouth - Premier League, crappy ground.

2006-2011: Southampton - whatever happened to them? Portsmouth - how can they afford those players? FA Cup winners?!?!

2011-2016: Southampton - decent and relatively successful, well run. Portsmouth - shambolic, feel sorry for the fans.

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I'm amazed that any club thinks there's anything he can offer them. Self-professed that he can't use a computer or texting, has openly slated the kind of player tracking technology and sports science that every professional club in England now has, doesn't do any of the coaching so can't offer any suggestions there, and has no knowledge of the players or teams in the local area which is the only field other than dubious financial management that he might have been able to help (and recruitment is much more tech and metric-based now anyway).

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If Brighton get promoted, that will be three South Coast clubs in the Premier League- a record no doubt!

 

It's remarkable just how much they have fallen down the coastal footballing pyramid- from only team capable of having a sniff at our dominance to League Two nobodies via a spectacular fall from grace.

 

On another note, the PL's shift south has become quite impressive in the last few years. I know London skews the numbers but surely there has never been a time where there have been this many clubs south of Nottingham?

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They also lose Michael Smith (their current first choice striker) after the Hartlepool game this weekend (93 day 'emergency' loan deal ends)

 

Had forgotten Smith was on a short loan, hasn't he been scoring most of their goals recently? Bit of a blow for them in that case.

 

Mind you, agree with the9, Cook getting his excuses in if Plymouth turn up in the play offs, if that's who the skates get. Just got a feeling they'll do what we did in 2007 and go out at the semi final stages on penalties....

 

Last night's disappointing result for Boro puts Brighton in a strong position to make it three south coast club in the top flight.

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The good news for them is they are winning. The bad news is the teams above (apart from Plymouth of course) are also winning. Automatic promotion is fading fast.

What are you on about? Automatic promotion has been gone for weeks and weeks.

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Pamplemousse

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Meanwhile, an unsurprising news story from the island...

 

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/crime/crooked-treasurer-swindled-17-000-in-shock-betrayal-1-7359056

 

TRUSTED Ian Warren was tasked with keeping Pompey Ladies FC afloat and winning sponsorship cash for the club.

 

Instead the 58-year-old plundered £17,000 from the accounts while treasurer, leaving the club in dire straits.

Trusted to pay FA fees, match officials and venues, he was given blank cheques to co-sign by those who respected him.

 

But now his reputation is in tatters after pleading guilty to a fraud that shocked volunteers who poured goodwill into running the community club.

 

Chairman Mick Williams, the former director of Pompey Supporters’ Trust who stepped in after the fraud, said the club had been betrayed.

 

He said: ‘It’s killed a bit of the good time that we’ve had knowing that somebody the club had trusted betrayed their trust. The man’s a slug. He took money from the parents to buy the kids warm jackets and they never got them because he took the money.’

 

A judge spared Warren jail after hearing the salesman would lose his £3,000-a-month job if he was locked up and would not be able to pay cash back.

 

Warren’s shocking breach of trust was discovered in June 2014 when a cheque bounced.

 

And in September that year the FA and venues started complaining they had not been paid by Pompey Ladies, which has seven youth teams with 100 children, along with a first, development and foundation teams.

 

The club demanded an explanation but Warren said he was waiting for a new chequebook. This was ‘clearly untrue’, said Edward Elton, prosecuting at Portsmouth Crown Court.

 

He said on one day in August 2013, Warren took out £3,100 from the club’s account and £3,000 was paid into his.

 

Mr Elton said: ‘This was a pattern of Mr Warren using that money for his own ends, as well as the club.’

 

Volunteers demanded a meeting with Warren but he did not attend. In September he quit as treasurer, a position he had held since May 2012.

 

The court heard he made 127 cash withdrawals – totalling £37,786. But only £17,000 of this made up the fraud. Just £214 was left in the club’s account.

 

Warren, now of Whitstand Bay View, Torpoint, Cornwall, has already paid £8,000 back and was ordered to pay £3,500 in seven days with £1,000 a month in compensation until the rest is returned.

 

Recorder Shamim Qureshi said: ‘This gives you the chance to put right the wrong you have done.’

 

He handed Warren a 12-month prison sentence suspended for two years.

 

Howard Barrington-Clark, defending Warren, said: ‘He became enmeshed in a financial vortex of pay-day loans.

 

‘He was just plummeting ever downwards at greater speed and looked upon the ladies’ club as the panacea.’

 

Mr Barrington-Clark added Warren, who admitted fraud, took cash out and intended to repay the club. He paid back £8,000 before police investigated.

 

Team manager applauds title race win in face of fraud

 

DESPITE facing financial ‘extinction’ as a club, the first team stormed to a league title.

 

Pompey Ladies FC’s first team manager Perry Northeast said the fraud made the players determined to win the FA Women’s Premier League Southern Division – which they did.

 

He said: ‘They were facing extinction but we won somehow.

 

‘It’s credit to the players and coaches’ level of hard work. It was very difficult.

 

‘We didn’t know if we were going to make it through the season.’

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Pamplemousse

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little bit of form going into the playoffs then. Plymouth pretty wobbly at the mo

 

Nah, the big occasion of the League 2 playoffs will get to the referee and inevitably all of the big decisions will go against them, there's a conspiracy from the Football League and Sky to keep them down there.

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What are you on about? If Oxford or Accrington had lost today, and Bristol Rovers drawn or lost, then the phew could've overtaken them on the last day.

They didn't. There was no way all of that was going to happen, they were not going to finish in the automatic spots, which has been the case for freaking weeks and weeks and weeks.

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Something just made me wonder whatever happened to that fearless investigator Micah Hall.

 

He is studying law and hopes to be able to "help those that don't have the money to afford a solicitor". I wonder if PFC will ever be a client?

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:mcinnes: By that logic Leicester's bid to win the league was gone 38 weeks ago.

Not really. When you're relying on huge amounts of results to go your way, and winning every single game at the same time, then the game is up. Your Leicester example is ridiculous, try Arsenal - it was only mathematically impossible for them to win the league about a week ago but it was obvious they weren't going to win it weeks ago. Pompey haven't been in contention for automatic promotion for weeks and weeks and weeks.

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Not really. When you're relying on huge amounts of results to go your way, and winning every single game at the same time, then the game is up. Your Leicester example is ridiculous, try Arsenal - it was only mathematically impossible for them to win the league about a week ago but it was obvious they weren't going to win it weeks ago. Pompey haven't been in contention for automatic promotion for weeks and weeks and weeks.

 

As I mentioned on the last page, they needed a minimum of 9 results to go their way to get automatic before today's games.

 

As far as "they will play Plymouth", that's been fairly obvious for a couple of weeks too, the important bit is who finishes highest and gets to play the second leg at home, because the Skates' single-faceted counter-attacking and running with the ball game is completely unsuited to having to play the first leg at home, and if Plymouth go to Fratton first, they're likely to come away with the advantage and not need to chase the game at home either, and the Skates will be left needing to break down an organised defence in a way they've failed to do for months.

 

Incidentally, since hammering Portsmouth 3-0 at Fratton on 12th March, Newport have won 0 drawn 3 and lost 7.

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As I mentioned on the last page, they needed a minimum of 9 results to go their way to get automatic before today's games.

 

As far as "they will play Plymouth", that's been fairly obvious for a couple of weeks too, the important bit is who finishes highest and gets to play the second leg at home, because the Skates' single-faceted counter-attacking and running with the ball game is completely unsuited to having to play the first leg at home, and if Plymouth go to Fratton first, they're likely to come away with the advantage and not need to chase the game at home either, and the Skates will be left needing to break down an organised defence in a way they've failed to do for months.

 

Incidentally, since hammering Portsmouth 3-0 at Fratton on 12th March, Newport have won 0 drawn 3 and lost 7.

 

Must've have picked up some nasty bug from the dirty fat pipes.

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Not really. When you're relying on huge amounts of results to go your way, and winning every single game at the same time, then the game is up. Your Leicester example is ridiculous, try Arsenal - it was only mathematically impossible for them to win the league about a week ago but it was obvious they weren't going to win it weeks ago. Pompey haven't been in contention for automatic promotion for weeks and weeks and weeks.

Leicester were 5000/1 at the start of the season with the bookies (who know a thing or two about odds), and most would have agreed with that. Hardly a ridiculous comparison. The odds of the DFCSBs overtaking 3 out of 4 teams with 2 matches to play were long, but nowhere near that. Maybe about the same as a mediocre second division team going all the way in 1976 and beating Utd in the final.

 

For you to say that something that was unlikely to happen, was never going to happen, is ridiculous.

 

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Leicester were 5000/1 at the start of the season with the bookies (who know a thing or two about odds), and most would have agreed with that. Hardly a ridiculous comparison. The odds of the DFCSBs overtaking 3 out of 4 teams with 2 matches to play were long, but nowhere near that. Maybe about the same as a mediocre second division team going all the way in 1976 and beating Utd in the final.

 

For you to say that something that was unlikely to happen, was never going to happen, is ridiculous.

 

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Read The9's post above. They have been absolutely nowhere f ucking near automatic promotion for weeks.

 

You're just one of those idiots who looks at the points columns and decides that if team A can still achieve the points total of the team in the target position right now then it's still possible as long as none of the teams above ever win a match again ever while your team just wins all theirs.

 

Expecting multiple top-four teams to all just lose match after match is just dopey, or "for dummies" if you like.

 

Leicester aren't winning the League because they were fifth three weeks ago and then all four teams above them conveniently lose every single match for three weeks in a row while they win all theirs. They've been top all season. Pompey's situation is nothing like Leicester's. Nothing at all like Leicester's.

 

Pompey obviously weren't going up automatically, that's been hilariously, blatantly obvious for weeks.

 

And look what happened today. Shock horror, they're not going up automatically. Fuc king obviously.

 

Shove your book up your jacksie. In all probability it'll fit as you chat out of it.

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Read The9's post above. They have been absolutely nowhere f ucking near automatic promotion for weeks.

 

You're just one of those idiots who looks at the points columns and decides that if team A can still achieve the points total of the team in the target position right now then it's still possible as long as none of the teams above ever win a match again ever while your team just wins all theirs.

 

Expecting multiple top-four teams to all just lose match after match is just dopey, or "for dummies" if you like.

 

Leicester aren't winning the League because they were fifth three weeks ago and then all four teams above them conveniently lose every single match for three weeks in a row while they win all theirs. They've been top all season. Pompey's situation is nothing like Leicester's. Nothing at all like Leicester's.

 

Pompey obviously weren't going up automatically, that's been hilariously, blatantly obvious for weeks.

And look what happened today. Shock horror, they're not going up automatically. Fuc king obviously.

 

Shove your book up your jacksie. In all probability it'll fit as you chat out of it.

 

:lol: 2 teams get 1 point over 2 matches and 1 team (out of 2) gets 0 points over 2 matches = multiple top-four teams to all just lose match after match

 

:lol::lol::lol:

 

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/live/match-report/341168/hartlepool-united-v-portsmouth

Portsmouth must make do with a place in the Sky Bet League 2 play-offs, after their automatic promotion hopes were ended despite a 2-0 win at Hartlepool United.

 

Pompey, already assured of a play-off spot, were harbouring pre-match hopes of making the top three but wins for Accrington, Oxford, and Bristol Rovers keeps them out with one game to go

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I'd say that if a team wins a match and still loses out on their intended goal, that intended goal must have been a pretty long shot.

 

And actually for Portsmouth to have got an automatic place the following results were needed before the start of today:

 

Portsmouth to win 2 matches PLUS

(because they only had to finish above 3 of the 4 teams they could still catch to get automatic promotion)

Three of the following:

Plymouth to not win at least one of their last two matches

Bristol Rovers to not win either of their last two matches

Oxford to lose one and at best draw their other match

Accrington to lose both matches

 

So a minimum of 7 results all going their way, involving teams who have all had an above average likelihood of winning their matches all season long.

 

Portsmouth WON their match and it STILL left them unable to catch three of the four above them, hardly a surprise, because it was very unlikely to begin with. So was Leicester winning the title - but they still might not... Portsmouth definitely can't go up automatically now.

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:lol: 2 teams get 1 point over 2 matches and 1 team (out of 2) gets 0 points over 2 matches = multiple top-four teams to all just lose match after match

 

:lol::lol::lol:

 

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/live/match-report/341168/hartlepool-united-v-portsmouth

Portsmouth must make do with a place in the Sky Bet League 2 play-offs, after their automatic promotion hopes were ended despite a 2-0 win at Hartlepool United.

 

Pompey, already assured of a play-off spot, were harbouring pre-match hopes of making the top three but wins for Accrington, Oxford, and Bristol Rovers keeps them out with one game to go

 

That's still six results they need teams not to win in (plus their two wins).

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:lol: 2 teams get 1 point over 2 matches and 1 team (out of 2) gets 0 points over 2 matches = multiple top-four teams to all just lose match after match

 

:lol::lol::lol:

 

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/live/match-report/341168/hartlepool-united-v-portsmouth

Portsmouth must make do with a place in the Sky Bet League 2 play-offs, after their automatic promotion hopes were ended despite a 2-0 win at Hartlepool United.

 

Pompey, already assured of a play-off spot, were harbouring pre-match hopes of making the top three but wins for Accrington, Oxford, and Bristol Rovers keeps them out with one game to go

Just remind me - are Portsmouth going up automatically?

 

Match after match after match after match after match all going in their favour and obviously, obviously it didn't all happen.

 

Any old sap can do the "that team are x points ahead so if we win all our games we can catch them" sum. Takes a bit more of a brain to appreciate that when their are multiple clubs and multiple matches in play then it just won't happen.

 

Dummies indeed.

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I'd say that if a team wins a match and still loses out on their intended goal, that intended goal must have been a pretty long shot.

 

And actually for Portsmouth to have got an automatic place the following results were needed before the start of today:

 

Portsmouth to win 2 matches PLUS

(because they only had to finish above 3 of the 4 teams they could still catch to get automatic promotion)

Three of the following:

Plymouth to not win at least one of their last two matches

Bristol Rovers to not win either of their last two matches

Oxford to lose one and at best draw their other match

Accrington to lose both matches

 

So a minimum of 7 results all going their way, involving teams who have all had an above average likelihood of winning their matches all season long.

 

Portsmouth WON their match and it STILL left them unable to catch three of the four above them, hardly a surprise, because it was very unlikely to begin with. So was Leicester winning the title - but they still might not... Portsmouth definitely can't go up automatically now.

Now you put it like that it is almost identical to the team seven points clear in the Premier League with only three games to go and the only one team that can catch them needing to win all three matches.

 

Leicester's situation is so much like Pompey's stroll to automatic promotion it's untrue. So glad munster brought up the comparison.

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I'd say that if a team wins a match and still loses out on their intended goal, that intended goal must have been a pretty long shot.

 

And actually for Portsmouth to have got an automatic place the following results were needed before the start of today:

 

Portsmouth to win 2 matches PLUS

(because they only had to finish above 3 of the 4 teams they could still catch to get automatic promotion)

Three of the following:

Plymouth to not win at least one of their last two matches

Bristol Rovers to not win either of their last two matches

Oxford to lose one and at best draw their other match

Accrington to lose both matches

 

So a minimum of 7 results all going their way, involving teams who have all had an above average likelihood of winning their matches all season long.

 

Portsmouth WON their match and it STILL left them unable to catch three of the four above them, hardly a surprise, because it was very unlikely to begin with. So was Leicester winning the title - but they still might not... Portsmouth definitely can't go up automatically now.

Absolutely correct. And what were the odds of 4 of those 5 happening? 200/1, 400/1? I doubt as high as 5000/1, and even if it was, it wasn't zero as Mr Fry asserts. And as for the argument that it didn't happen therefore it was impossible, I could make that statement about any unlikely event that doesn't occur. I could hold a gun with one bullet to someone's head, spin the chamber, and tell them "don't worry it's impossible that you'll die" before I pull the trigger. I doubt they'd be amused if it clicks blank and I tell them "see, I told you it was impossible."

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I assume CB Fry has never placed an accumulator bet.......

 

Clearly fails to understand the difference between impossible and possible - as Munster said, it was unlikely that it would happen due to the amount of other results required to fall in the skates favour. But possible is just that - possible, however unlikely.

After all you hear every once in a while about punters winning bets with daft odds:

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/betting/uks-biggest-betting-wins---3570873

 

So while it is fair to argue that, until yesterday, automatic promotion was unlikely it was not impossible. It is now so we can all sit back, relax and hope that whoever they play is better across the two matches (likely to be Argyle but possible that it might be someone else)

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I assume CB Fry has never placed an accumulator bet.......

 

Clearly fails to understand the difference between impossible and possible - as Munster said, it was unlikely that it would happen due to the amount of other results required to fall in the skates favour. But possible is just that - possible, however unlikely.

After all you hear every once in a while about punters winning bets with daft odds:

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/betting/uks-biggest-betting-wins---3570873

 

So while it is fair to argue that, until yesterday, automatic promotion was unlikely it was not impossible. It is now so we can all sit back, relax and hope that whoever they play is better across the two matches (likely to be Argyle but possible that it might be someone else)

 

It is definitely Plymouth. Impossible to be anyone else. Neither can move positions.

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fairly annoying. Plymouth have blown it for the Auto's. They have been in the top 3 for the majority of the season

 

can see pompey knocking them out of the playoffs here

 

The skates beat them at their place at the start of the season and although Plymouth won at **** park, it was a real smash and grab affair. They have a good record against the top 6 sides as well.

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POL trying to dispel some of our own myths

 

I had a look at their squad list on wiki and they have only three homegrown players in their first team 25 man squad. One of which is from Eastleigh, the other two being from Portsmouth and Worthing. This season one has played one game, one has played 30 (Ward-Prowse) and one has played 13. Fifteen of the twenty five are foreign and form the majority of the first team. I'm not saying our premier years were different....but

 

The myth has gone.

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