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Mr Biscuits

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Yes but let's be honest about this - they SHOULD BE beating other teams like this with the squad they have this season. The hilarity has been in the fact that they haven't been.

 

Remember, back at the start of the season, we were all looking at them and considering that they might actually do it this season, then they just didn't seem to perform and we were all thinking 'could it be that they really will miss out even on the play offs?'

 

They still need to make up at least 7 points as the table stands to get back into an automatic promotion spot, and that's as long as Oxford or Argyle lose their next three games. With 11 games left this season, time is running out for them to achieve automatic promotion. If they lose the next three games as it stands. They could end up back out of the playoff spots.

 

Squeaky bum time looms I think.

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ALWAYS_SFC

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I'm confused- is that solely to do with Football Manager? Or is it a serious attempt at advertising the club for sale?

 

Also:

 

Training Facilities Impressive?

 

The word impressive can only be used in connection with the dirty cheats when accounting for the amounts of money they robbed the country of..

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spyinthesky

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Perhaps we can now add the 6 Southern league titles we won prior to entering the Football League in 1921

 

It is a bummer that Pompey do have more trophies to boast about than we do (despite all bar one being inaccurately described)

 

However Saints have the much better head to head record and higher average attendances and have finished above Pompey in the Football league for 53 of the 89 years of competition since 1921 and for 15 years out of 22 in the Southern league

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Mr Biscuits

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Perhaps we can now add the 6 Southern league titles we won prior to entering the Football League in 1921

 

It is a bummer that Pompey do have more trophies to boast about than we do (despite all bar one being inaccurately described)

 

However Saints have the much better head to head record and higher average attendances and have finished above Pompey in the Football league for 53 of the 89 years of competition since 1921 and for 15 years out of 22 in the Southern league

 

I really wouldn't mention that to your average skate, they take it as a signal to mumble on about cups and history. During their ramblings, you guarantee at least four portsmyths will be spouted.

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Look, I must have missed this but they have won the Premier League !

 

Twice !!

 

 

http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/444901-FM16-Portsmouth-FC-Fan-Owned-amp-Debt-Free!

 

 

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Pah, they haven't the Johnstones Trophy or most importantly the Daily Express five a side that was live on Sportsnight with Coleman in about 1970, Weve won back the bragging rights there, Mackrill
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mack rill

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Pah, they haven't the Johnstones Trophy or most importantly the Daily Express five a side that was live on Sportsnight with Coleman in about 1970, Weve won back the bragging rights there, Mackrill

 

won't be needing them shades on yet Nicky boy when admiring your gong room,:smug:

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What's it going to be Mack me old mucker, claim the history and admit to all of the criminality that should have seen the business liquidated, or stick with the cherry-picking approach favoured by so many?

The nasty league made us have criminal owners who stole from charities, pensioners and killed children for cash...but I'd like to keep the cup.

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The9

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If we're ret-conning history for once, it is vaguely annoying that the early Southern League titles don't count as being on a par with the Football League title, given that at the time the FL was almost entirely northern clubs and the southern league was on a par with it in the period Saints won their titles. There's a reason Saints and Spurs both made FA Cup Finals around 1900 when supposedly "non-League" clubs - it's because the SL was a similar standard to the FL.

 

Saints won their 6 Southern League titles in 1897, 1898, 1899, 1901, 1903 and 1904.

 

When Saints won their first title, no club geographically below Birmingham had played in the Football League apart from Arsenal (in Div 2 until 1904).

After 1901 Bristol City also left for the FL.

 

Had the Southern League called itself something more grand, like the "Football Championship" we'd almost certainly have a timeline in which FL titles from pre-1904 when Saints won their titles could have counted as championships on a par with the FL titles.

 

The timeline of the "Southern League success" coincidentally aligns with this:

Introduction of the retain and transfer system[edit]

The Football League decided that restrictions had to be placed on the ability of richer clubs to lure players from other clubs. From the start of the 1893-94 season onwards, once a player was registered with a Football League club, he could not be registered with any other club, even in subsequent seasons, without the permission of the club he was registered with. It applied even if the player's annual contract with the club holding his registration was not renewed after it expired. The club were not obliged to play him and, without a contract, the player was not entitled to receive a salary. Nevertheless, if the club refused to release his registration, the player could not play for any other Football League club.

If faced with such a situation, a player had the following stark choices:

> Move to a club in the Southern League, a semi-professional league formed in England in 1894, or the Scottish League formed in 1890, where equivalent restrictions on movement had not yet been introduced. However, until the turn of the century, both the standard of play, and wages, were lower in these other leagues compared to the Football League.

> Quit playing football altogether and return to other full time employment.

Football League clubs soon came to realize that they could demand and earn a transfer fee from any other Football League club as consideration for agreeing to release or transfer the player's registration.

The player registration system came to be known as the "retain and transfer" system.

The following events further entrenched the retain and transfer system:

In 1901, the Football League introduced a maximum wage of £4 per week.

The same year (1901), the Association Footballers' Union, which had been formed in 1898 to negotiate with the Football League a relaxation of the registration system and to resist the introduction of a maximum wage, was dissolved.

 

Arsenal took the decision to play in Div 2 of the FL competition in order to turn professional, and because the Southern League chose to carry on being amateur after all their top teams left in 1920, the championships aren't given equal billing.

 

Of course it didn't help that when the bulk of the southern clubs joined the FL in 1920 it was in Division Three, and the SL carried on as a non-league shell. The 1920/21 Football League Third Division introduced Crystal Palace, Southampton, QPR, Swindon, Swansea, Watford, Millwall, Merthyr, (Luton), Bristol Rovers, Plymouth, Portsmouth, Northampton, Newport, Norwich, Southend, Brighton, Exeter, Reading, Brentford and Gillingham to the Football League. Grimsby somehow ended up in with that lot too.

 

Cardiff City got placed in Div 2 in 1920 and nearly won it, and then came runners up in Div 1 within 4 years, which suggests that many of those Div 3 clubs could have competed in Div 2 or even Div 1 from the start.

 

With nearly 30 clubs leaving by 1920 it easily explains why the Southern League ended up as a non-league competition - but the FA Cup results around 1900 show the actual level of the League.

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The9

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Oh, and in all that, I feel sorry for these poor buggers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid_Rhondda_F.C.

"More success was to come when the team won the Southern League Division Two, amassing 37 points over 20 games, losing none and drawing only three games.[9] They then took the Welsh League title, beating Cardiff City into second place...

 

The strength of the club at the time is best gauged by the challenge matches the team undertook against Football League clubs. Due to the large following the club possessed, they were able to offer incentives to league clubs to travel to Tonypandy. These were teams that normally played Bristol on the Saturday, then brought their first teams to the Rhondda for a Monday night encounter.[10] Crowds in excess of 15,000 and the substantial win bonus that was offered elevated these games above friendlies. These encounters included wins over Nottingham Forest (3–1), Derby County (2–0) and Portsmouth (1–0) in 1919 and a draw against Tottenham Hotspur and a narrow loss to Aston Villa (1–2) in 1920.

 

The club and supporters expected continued success for the 1920–21 season in the First Division of the Southern League. A new stand was built, and other ground improvements were added, including a press box and a gymnasium.

 

Then ready for the new season, the Southern League was invited to form a Third Division of the Football League. The current First Division of the Southern League became the new Third Division, and no promotions were accepted. Mid Rhondda remained in the Second Division.

 

From this, the team disintegrated. Price left for Grimsby Town and took five players with him, while the remaining players of the previous season found different clubs.[11] This was followed by a national coal strike in 1921 which crippled the South Wales valleys.

 

And on that note, I'm off to Fratton tomorrow to see two inaugural members of the Third Division (and Third Division South). Long live the Football League expansion of 1920/21. :)

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Pamplemousse

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Portsmouth FC ‏@officialpompey

#Pompey's afternoon perhaps best summed up by the fact the ground is already half-empty (90 mins)

 

The third goal sparked the biggest Frattom Park exodus I have ever seen during a match. Abject stuff. Such a waste with the teams above us losing.

 

today was the 1st time I left before the final whistle in over 20 years the last time was when Fenwick was manager. I have to say some of our fans are embarrassing, at half time they boo'd the team off, dont tell me it was for the ref as that's just ALOB. When I was leaving those same fans were signing is there a fire drill.

 

we dont cover ourselves in glory, I thought we were flat as a witches t1t today

 

Have to say I was embarrassed of Pompey fans today.

 

Booing at half time and then walking out when the third goal went in.

 

Best fans in the land. You must be joking.

 

We will still get a play off position but I actually am changing my mind about whether we will win it. Not because of the manager and the team but because of the fans turning on the players when things are not going wel.

 

Disgraceful. At least those that stayed in the fratton end made just as much noise as when it was full and tried to support their city and team.

 

Don't bother replying to this post to justify your actions. I will not be replying.

 

Never seen anything Iike it in my 30 years of supporting Pompey. Seriously spoilt and premierised fans.

 

Booing the team 1-0 down at half time, the majority of our fans are an utter embarrassment.

 

Don't think I will be renewing my ST next year as don't want to be associated with the way our fans treat our players at the slightest hint of adversity.

 

:lol:

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Waterside.saint

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Dear lord.

 

Please also note their cushion above 8th (first spot outside the playoffs) has also been cut to 4 points. They still need 7 to get to automatic promotion with ten games to go.

 

Could they..........?

 

Has Fatpipes collapsed yet under the pressure of #gaptoothy passion?

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eurosaint

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Calling The9....please report to the PTS thread with a match report...

 

 

 

 

He must still be typing.

 

He'll still be celebrating and too p!ssed to waste his time on here !

If the Newport results prove to be the difference between them staying in the 4th div or not, then the guy deserves honorary membership of the Saintsweb hall of fame :)

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The9

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Ok, who wants a match report?

 

Biggest news of the day: they have refurbed the toilets halfway up the steps to the away end. Properly actually reasonably decent as well, though still too small and obviously inadequate for the number of people Newport County's mighty away following (of about 600) took.

 

Besides that, whoever said Portsmouth can't break a team down and can only play on the break was absolutely right. Newport's biggest risk to themselves was trying to play crossfield passes and leaving themselves exposed to the break, though it didn't happen often.

 

Also, best refereeing performance I've seen in years, their crowd shouted for absolutely everything all match long including some frankly preposterous claims, and if anything he was too lenient on their midfield. He could have sent their number 11 off for 2 yellows long before he hilariously sent him off for actually getting the second yellow for a dive near the box at the Fratton End. Their entire midfield seemed to be operating a Brazilian-style kicking rota, but they ran out of players to get yellow carded.

 

Football-wise, Newport didn't have to do much, took their chances to begin with, and then missed an absolute sitter to make it 4 with the Skates pushing up.

 

Away from the football, we took a nice pic of my wife on Fratton station holding up her Saints t-shirt, had a few pics with me and some Saints ST mates who came along for a laugh in the ground, which have gone around the Australian and United States of Southampton FC Facebook sites, and had a good laugh at some of the Skate responses on there.

 

Anyway, it was bloody hilarious, absolutely can't believe that Newport have now won three successive matches at Fratton without conceding a goal, and after I nipped to Gunwharf to buy a t-shirt to wear out, following a pleasant few hours getting ripped off for food and drink in various pubs and restaurants, we are now home.

 

I shall leave you with the image my wife took of Fratton at 0-3 to help you decide how bestest their fans are... (in a moment)...

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