krissyboy31 Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 off shore tax codes might be a bit more confusing. Bit like off shore bank accounts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 http://www.fansonline.net/portsmouth/mb/view.php?id=229492 Tea and toast time;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 Or this boy:smt036 MattG_PFC Posted on 02/02/2010 10:32 Seriously ladsEdited On: 02/02/2010 10:37 Email Message To A Friend | Reply To Message In a worst case scenario we could cease to exist. My Prediction. What I fully expect to happen is for us to go into Administration. In Admin some debts are written off, some become only 10% liable. Then a buyer will emerge getting us cheaply. We will lose 9 points, and assuming we don't get enough points to have stayed up without the deduction, that 9 point penalty will be carried over to next season in the CCC. A hardcore of about 10,000 fans will stand by the club, 16,000 for big games, and we will become an established CCC club, holding our own, maybe pushing for the Play-Offs, an ccaiasional cup run. Maybe we will become part of a PL second division if that ever happens? That is how I see it panning out for us over the next 10 to 20 years. And I for one would be happy with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 Um!!!!!! What could you deduce from this!! IP: Logged Blue-Smurf Posted on 02/02/2010 12:36 Bio and his email address Email Message To A Friend | Reply To Message Mark Jacob Mark graduated in government and politics from Essex university, he then proceeded to study for his common professional examination and law finals. Having qualified in 1994 Mark has specialised in commercial property and acts for property companies, high net worth individuals and foreign investors. Mark also specialises in secured lending and has acted for several major banking institutions. Away from the office, Mark is a keen footballer and keeps himself in shape by frequenting the gym at least twice a week. Mark is also a keen watcher of all sports including of course football and in particular his beloved Spurs. Indeed in 1999 Mark had a book about Spurs published which made The Sunday Times bestseller sports publications list for several weeks. markj@fuglers.co.ukIP: Logged Blue-Smurf Posted on 02/02/2010 12:38 And heres his boss Email Message To A Friend | Reply To Message Bryan Fugler Qualifying in 1970 Bryan is experienced in most aspects of commercial law - be it litigation, corporate or commercial. In the early 1990’s, Bryan became a media and sports specialist acting for the likes of Tottenham Hotspur PLC, Queens Park Rangers Football Club, Terry Venables, George Best, Jimmy White and lots of other sporting and showbiz personalities. Throughout the last 10 years Bryan has mainly devoted his time to negotiating commercial agreements and settlement of all manner of disputes and now spends most of his time as a business developer for the practice. A life long supporter and season ticket holder of Spurs, Bryan spends most of his spare time having as much fun as he can and spending time with his grandchildren. bryanf@fuglers.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLove Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 Not sure if it's been published. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2834650/Pompeys-eight-days-to-oblivion.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 Interesting!!!!!! http://www.fansonline.net/portsmouth/mb/view.php?id=229491 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StD Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 lol, they're gonna make a film about us. I like the 'Club that refused to die!' I'm sure some on here could come up with some other good suggestions for a working title? 20,000 leagues under chelsea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 (edited) http://www.fansonline.net/portsmouth/mb/view.php?id=229492 Tea and toast time;) Its absolutely amazing at how all 'outraged' and 'surprised' they are about it. It's not as if the implosion wasn't on the cards... a team full of internationals on £50-£100k a week at best, 20,000 crowds? And whilst the Premier League are accountable for the last two morons who passed their 'fit and proper persons' test, what about the accountability of Storrie et al? I don't see much mention of the REAL bad guys... Edited 2 February, 2010 by Crab Lungs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 Its absolutely amazing at how all 'outraged' they are about it. It's not as if the implosion wasn't on the cards... a team full of internationals on £50-£100k a week at best, 20,000 crowds? And whilst the Premier League are accountable for the last two morons who passed their 'fit and proper persons' test, what about the accountability of Storrie et al? I don't see much mention of the REAL bad guys... Didn`t Dave Richards introduce Storyteller to al Mirage?? What are the PL hiding or worried about?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 Its absolutely amazing at how all 'outraged' and 'surprised' they are about it. It's not as if the implosion wasn't on the cards... a team full of internationals on £50-£100k a week at best, 20,000 crowds? And whilst the Premier League are accountable for the last two morons who passed their 'fit and proper persons' test, what about the accountability of Storrie et al? I don't see much mention of the REAL bad guys... Come on, that's not fair. Surely you remember all those TV pictures of 'outraged' skates beating down Mandick's and then Gaymac's door when they were spunking monies they never had on outrageous salaries for 'big name' players and buying promotion and the FA Cup? They never wanted all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 Or this boy:smt036 MattG_PFC Posted on 02/02/2010 10:32 Seriously ladsEdited On: 02/02/2010 10:37 Email Message To A Friend | Reply To Message In a worst case scenario we could cease to exist. My Prediction. What I fully expect to happen is for us to go into Administration. In Admin some debts are written off, some become only 10% liable. Then a buyer will emerge getting us cheaply. We will lose 9 points, and assuming we don't get enough points to have stayed up without the deduction, that 9 point penalty will be carried over to next season in the CCC. A hardcore of about 10,000 fans will stand by the club, 16,000 for big games, and we will become an established CCC club, holding our own, maybe pushing for the Play-Offs, an ccaiasional cup run. Maybe we will become part of a PL second division if that ever happens? That is how I see it panning out for us over the next 10 to 20 years. And I for one would be happy with that. An interesting use of the term "buyer" here. That implies that the company under administration has any assets worth buying surely? I've lost track of the assets they've used to secure various loans but I'd be surprised if post admin they had anything to buy. And if memory serves, unless they come out of administration to the satisfaction of their creditors and the football league then, they don't even get the golden share which means no league participation which means starting at the bottom of the pyramid as AFC something-or-other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 I think that the majority of Pompey fans deserve the Police to look into all that has gone on. I expect certain ex managers would be very against an indepth search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 Didn`t Dave Richards introduce Storyteller to al Mirage?? What are the PL hiding or worried about?? Thats a good point. FWIW, any of you have read 'Broken Dreams' will definitely suspect there are many, many skeletons in the PL's and indeed the FL's closet... http://www.amazon.co.uk/Broken-Dreams-Souring-British-Football/dp/0743440331 Maybe Pompey's obliteration will at least force all these nasty, unethical practices and people out of the game and into a hostile spotlight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 An interesting use of the term "buyer" here. That implies that the company under administration has any assets worth buying surely? I've lost track of the assets they've used to secure various loans but I'd be surprised if post admin they had anything to buy. And if memory serves, unless they come out of administration to the satisfaction of their creditors and the football league then, they don't even get the golden share which means no league participation which means starting at the bottom of the pyramid as AFC something-or-other. Good point. I think he fails to draw the distinction between creditors who you owe money to for good and services (in pompeys case almost all of them) and those who have loaned the club money against various assets. The creditors may only get 10p in the pound but those loaning money against assets get the assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 An interesting use of the term "buyer" here. That implies that the company under administration has any assets worth buying surely? I've lost track of the assets they've used to secure various loans but I'd be surprised if post admin they had anything to buy. And if memory serves, unless they come out of administration to the satisfaction of their creditors and the football league then, they don't even get the golden share which means no league participation which means starting at the bottom of the pyramid as AFC something-or-other. There's no need for a 'AFC Portsmouth' because I understand that poor sap who owns the title 'Portsmouth Football Club Ltd' (and gets the bailiffs knocking on his door as a result) might just be open to offers . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PES Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 Come on, that's not fair. Surely you remember all those TV pictures of 'outraged' skates beating down Mandick's and then Gaymac's door when they were spunking monies they never had on outrageous salaries for 'big name' players and buying promotion and the FA Cup? They never wanted all that. Its absolutely amazing at how all 'outraged' and 'surprised' they are about it. It's not as if the implosion wasn't on the cards... a team full of internationals on £50-£100k a week at best, 20,000 crowds? And whilst the Premier League are accountable for the last two morons who passed their 'fit and proper persons' test, what about the accountability of Storrie et al? I don't see much mention of the REAL bad guys... Your both being hugely unfair fellas. I really don't see what your getting at? You seem to be suggesting that Pompey fans don't have any cause/right to be upset or angry at whats going on? 1)What did you really expect Pompey fans to do when we we're going through the good times? 2)How did Pompey fans react any differently than any other fans that find themselves having a good time of it? 3)When Saints tried to buy their way back into the Premier League at the first time of asking, did the MAJORITY advise against gambling on a quick return? 4)Did Saints fans therfore forego their right to be angry at their clubs failed gamble? Do you think there we're no voices of concern during this time? I can assure you there were! But what could they do about it? It's not a community club, it's at the behest of its owners like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 Or this boy:smt036 MattG_PFC Posted on 02/02/2010 10:32 Seriously ladsEdited On: 02/02/2010 10:37 Email Message To A Friend | Reply To Message In a worst case scenario we could cease to exist. My Prediction. What I fully expect to happen is for us to go into Administration. In Admin some debts are written off, some become only 10% liable. Then a buyer will emerge getting us cheaply. We will lose 9 points, and assuming we don't get enough points to have stayed up without the deduction, that 9 point penalty will be carried over to next season in the CCC. A hardcore of about 10,000 fans will stand by the club, 16,000 for big games, and we will become an established CCC club, holding our own, maybe pushing for the Play-Offs, an ccaiasional cup run. Maybe we will become part of a PL second division if that ever happens? That is how I see it panning out for us over the next 10 to 20 years. And I for one would be happy with that. In admin, the debts are only reduced with the creditors agreement. They might decide that they want their money raised by selling the ground and players. Why should they accept next to bugger all. I didn't notice Saints debts being reduced by 90%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
$$$ Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 SSN Breaking News – Skates fail to pay Gaydamak £9M Anyone shocked? No, did not think so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 Your both being hugely unfair fellas. I really don't see what your getting at? You seem to be suggesting that Pompey fans don't have any cause/right to be upset or angry at whats going on? 1)What did you really expect Pompey fans to do when we we're going through the good times? 2)How did Pompey fans react any differently than any other fans that find themselves having a good time of it? 3)When Saints tried to buy their way back into the Premier League at the first time of asking, did the MAJORITY advise against gambling on a quick return? 4)Did Saints fans therfore forego their right to be angry at their clubs failed gamble? Do you think there we're no voices of concern during this time? I can assure you there were! But what could they do about it? It's not a community club, it's at the behest of its owners like it or not. The least your magnificent supporters could do would be to fill your tinpot ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 SSN Breaking News – Skates fail to pay Gaydamak £9M Anyone shocked? No, did not think so... I think he is still running things, and this is all being engineered for him to wind the club up and use the ground and land for property deals. Think, hope, whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 the natural thought is, someone will invest last minute and they will be saved, something will come up.... But let's look at the facts, we are in a new era of banking discipline and impatient taxmen - they need a new owner who is happy to risk maybe £150M on turning the club round, a man who doesn't want to buy Newcastle cheaper, and ideally they need him to complete in the next seven days! They have been hunting this madman for a year without success, people that rich don't get that rich by risking huge sums on lunatic schemes. A business proposition like that is only useful if you want to launder huge amounts of dirty money but the authorities are all over this club now, it so obviously isn't a real business anymore. And if it comes to post-admin - the complex web of debt, loans, and vague ownership, along with the asset-stripped structure are likely to leave a club without a cva or a ground, heavily penalised, and not worth even a cheap punt. The blue few paradise scenario of a fresh new vibrant club created the next day free of debt, is like most of what we have heard from the Fratton management clowns in the last six months, fantasy. Nothing has changed in six months - spin and rumour hasn't cleared a single debt. Cash was the only answer, and they still need lots of it, and now. And for the odd sensible Pompey poster on here, yes we would enjoy the highs as you did, but if Pardew had just put in an offer of £10M for a player I think most on here would be quietly horrified unless our owner announced he had put aside huge money and a longterm budget to move the club forward. As post-apocalypse fans I think we are more aware of wages and fees and I would rather lose some games than see our management team gamble the future of the club on some short term dreaming. Don't get me wrong, I won't be demanding that we buy poor players and pay low wages but it all needs to be sustainable and thankfully that appears to be the way we are operating. Meanwhile, as Pompey have refused to address their debts and made no effort to offload players they cannot afford to pay, we will be facing a team in the fa cup that has been criminally-assembled by a club that is clearly trading illegally, and as such brings the game into disrepute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PES Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 Don't get me wrong, I won't be demanding that we buy poor players and pay low wages but it all needs to be sustainable and thankfully that appears to be the way we are operating. Meanwhile, as Pompey have refused to address their debts and made no effort to offload players they cannot afford to pay, we will be facing a team in the fa cup that has been criminally-assembled by a club that is clearly trading illegally, and as such brings the game into disrepute. I dont think a lot of you are being entirely honest here, but I know it does not fit your agendas so I guess I have to respect that. Anyway, as an aside, I like this line, reckon you could make a song of it in time for the 13th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 Sky Sports Twitter with two conflicting storys: SkySportsLive #football Portsmouth fail to meet deadline to repay £9 million to former owner Sacha Gaydamak SkySports#football Pompey eye Rocha swoop: Portsmouth are in talks with former Tottenham defender Ricardo Rocha, Sky Sports... http://bit.ly/cfh7Io Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 he's a few for your PES: The Hunt For wages since October Dead Club Walking Crouching tiger hidden tax bill? Big Trouble in little Portsea and one for arry: Catch Me If You Can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 Your both being hugely unfair fellas. I really don't see what your getting at? You seem to be suggesting that Pompey fans don't have any cause/right to be upset or angry at whats going on? 1)What did you really expect Pompey fans to do when we we're going through the good times? 2)How did Pompey fans react any differently than any other fans that find themselves having a good time of it? 3)When Saints tried to buy their way back into the Premier League at the first time of asking, did the MAJORITY advise against gambling on a quick return? 4)Did Saints fans therfore forego their right to be angry at their clubs failed gamble? Do you think there we're no voices of concern during this time? I can assure you there were! But what could they do about it? It's not a community club, it's at the behest of its owners like it or not. I and others questioned MW and mentioned then that he was betting black hoping that red didnt come up. I have seen many fans interviewed and marching asking 'where has all the money gone?' Do they not know basic finance that when you give 80k a week to Crouch the rest would be on much the same. That the ground if full would generate how much against this?That the 80k a week, is every week, summer winter and fall. In a way a complete end to the club and starting from scratch may just be the best thing. There is a hard core of fans who like myself have given many years and they will not desert you, and at least you could feel cleansed because I suspect it is getting you down knowing how things are there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PES Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 The least your magnificent supporters could do would be to fill your tinpot ground. Same could be said of some of your 'fans' when you were in trouble. I go, therefore I do my bit, not my place to speak for those that can't make it down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PES Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 he's a few for your PES: The Hunt For wages since October Dead Club Walking Crouching tiger hidden tax bill? Big Trouble in little Portsea and one for arry: Catch Me If You Can Inspired Chez. Busy day today mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Keith Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 time for another caption competition maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 (edited) Your both being hugely unfair fellas. I really don't see what your getting at? You seem to be suggesting that Pompey fans don't have any cause/right to be upset or angry at whats going on? 1)What did you really expect Pompey fans to do when we we're going through the good times? 2)How did Pompey fans react any differently than any other fans that find themselves having a good time of it? 3)When Saints tried to buy their way back into the Premier League at the first time of asking, did the MAJORITY advise against gambling on a quick return? 4)Did Saints fans therfore forego their right to be angry at their clubs failed gamble? Do you think there we're no voices of concern during this time? I can assure you there were! But what could they do about it? It's not a community club, it's at the behest of its owners like it or not. I was being 'unfair' when I said last night that I would happily **** on your grave. However (!), what I've said above doesn't ring as too harsh for me. Of course you have a right to be angry, thats a given. Even I'm angry. But my anger is vented towards the people it should be - the people whom buried you in the first place: Peter Storrie and those who oversaw the gross mismanagement and unsustainable overspending. Everything seems to be directed at the Arabs and I do feel a bit of sympathy with SAF (maybe not so much Al-Mirage.) I think Al-Fahim probably came into the club with good, honest intentions but the situation simply was not repairable. And Storrie-teller continually beats him with the 'if we'd got there 6 weeks earlier' stick then none of this would have happened. As for Gaydamak, someone, somewhere must have known his intentions. Someone must have flagged it. If I remember correctly, Storrie was always sitting aside him smugly grinning when the times were good. Now the **** has hit the fan all of a sudden Storrie had no idea of the financial situation behind the scenes and for £1.5m a year must have done little than scratch his arse and smile for the cameras - well, that is what he'd have you believe, anyway. Storrie ruined your club. He was capably aided by Twitchy, Gaydamak and possibly Mandaric (judging by some of the unpaid bills still lingering around.) People with only greed at the top of their agenda with little thought given to the fans and the staff. All those snouts in one Premier League club trough, sickening. Even 'Arry the rent-a-quote c()nt is completely unbashed by what is happening and admits no responsibility. And as for the Premier League, well... they too are responsible for some of what has happened at Portsmouth, but not all of it. The PL is corrupt and quite frankly vile and when you've got the likes of all these suits swanning around creaming off the fat for themselves it makes it even harder to digest. Also, whilst clubs like Chester, Luton and even those tw4ts down the road Bournemouth suffer, the Premier League and its clubs continue to line their own pockets when just 1 or 2 million extra distributed amongst the FL would put alot of the clubs back ob the right track. Yes, some of those clubs may have been entirely at fault for their own financial problems but what of those who were not? The ones who were genuinely innocent (Luton here definitely comes to mind) but continued to be punished over and over until they were pushed to the brink of non-existence? Both the PL and FL need a shake-up, really. I can only hope that if you do implode and cease to exist than both footballing bodies are turned upside down to root out the dishonest and despicable leeches and corrupt people who blight the game. For too long the PL and the FL have operated under a cloak of protection - and it's about time they were held bang to rights. As for what happened at Saints, I don't draw many comparisons - we didn't overspend by cheating - our primary debt was that of the stadium. Saints actually handled themselves with relative dignity (and believe me, were a mess!) as opposed to Portsmouth - we thought the mud-slinging was bad down here in the summer but you lot have taken it to a whole new level. Not the fans so much, but the officials; no-one appears to know how it happened, no-one appears to have foreseen it coming - it just appeared. We continued to meet the bills and whilst there was cut-backs, there wasn't things like creditors not being paid for 2k, stadium lights, advertisements and our official site being shut down. That's embarrassing. We do share one thing in common though - no matter how many times either of the fanbases do the figures, no-one can account for where a lot of the money went. A sad indictment of the game perhaps and I'm sure the Leeds fans also had the same problem when trying to figure out why all that cash disappeared into thin air... Edited 2 February, 2010 by Crab Lungs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draino76 Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 time for another caption competition maybe My wallet may not be bigger; but my frock is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 Same could be said of some of your 'fans' when you were in trouble. I go, therefore I do my bit, not my place to speak for those that can't make it down... Our gates then were still comparable with your Premier League gates now. And we hadn't exactly had the success you have had in the seasons preceding that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Keith Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 time for another caption competition maybe i was told all the girls in portsmouth looked like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 I was being 'unfair' when I said last night that I would happily **** on your grave. However (!), what I've said above doesn't ring as too harsh for me. Of course you have a right to be angry, thats a given. Even I'm angry. But my anger is vented towards the people it should be - the people whom buried you in the first place: Peter Storrie and those who oversaw the gross mismanagement and unsustainable overspending. Everything seems to be directed at the Arabs and I do feel a bit of sympathy with SAF (maybe not so much Al-Mirage.) I think Al-Fahim probably came into the club with good, honest intentions but the situation simply was not repairable. And Storrie-teller continually beats him with the 'if we'd got there 6 weeks earlier' stick then none of this would have happened. As for Gaydamak, someone, somewhere must have known his intentions. Someone must have flagged it. If I remember correctly, Storrie was always sitting aside him smugly grinning when the times were good. Now the **** has hit the fan all of a sudden Storrie had no idea of the financial situation behind the scenes and for £1.5m a year must have done little than scratch his arse and smile for the cameras - well, that is what he'd have you believe, anyway. Storrie ruined your club. He was capably aided by Twitchy, Gaydamak and possibly Mandaric (judging by some of the unpaid bills still lingering around.) People with only greed at the top of their agenda with little thought given to the fans and the staff. All those snouts in one Premier League club trough, sickening. Even 'Arry the rent-a-quote c()nt is completely unbashed by what is happening and admits no responsibility. And as for the Premier League, well... they too are responsible for some of what has happened at Portsmouth, but not all of it. The PL is corrupt and quite frankly vile and when you've got the likes of all these suits swanning around creaming off the fat for themselves it makes it even harder to digest. Also, whilst clubs like Chester, Luton and even those tw4ts down the road Bournemouth suffer, the Premier League and its clubs continue to line their own pockets when just 1 or 2 million extra distributed amongst the FL would put alot of the clubs back ob the right track. Yes, some of those clubs may have been entirely at fault for their own financial problems but what of those who were not? The ones who were genuinely innocent (Luton here definitely comes to mind) but continued to be punished over and over until they were pushed to the brink of non-existence? Both the PL and FL need a shake-up, really. I can only hope that if you do implode and cease to exist than both footballing bodies are turned upside down to root out the dishonest and despicable leeches and corrupt people who blight the game. For too long the PL and the FL have operated under a cloak of protection - and it's about time they were held bang to rights. As for what happened at Saints, I don't draw many comparisons - we didn't overspend by cheating - our primary debt was that of the stadium. Saints actually handled themselves with relative dignity (and believe me, we are a mess) as opposed to Portsmouth - we thought the mud-slinging was bad down here in the summer but you lot have taken it to a whole new level. Not the fans so much, but the officials; no-one appears to know how it happened, no-one appears to have foreseen it coming - it just appeared. We continued to meet the bills and whilst there was cut-backs, there wasn't things like creditors not being paid for 2k, stadium lights, advertisements and our official site being shut down. That's embarrassing. We do share one thing in common though - no matter how many times either of the fanbases do the figures, no-one can account for where a lot of the money went. A sad indictment of the game perhaps and I'm sure the Leeds fans also had the same problem when trying to figure out why all that cash disappeared into thin air... Great post CL......this is just the post of the thread so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribbo Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 Thats a good point. FWIW, any of you have read 'Broken Dreams' will definitely suspect there are many, many skeletons in the PL's and indeed the FL's closet... http://www.amazon.co.uk/Broken-Dreams-Souring-British-Football/dp/0743440331 Maybe Pompey's obliteration will at least force all these nasty, unethical practices and people out of the game and into a hostile spotlight... it's a great book , hope he writes a follow up!! incidently, this deserves a follow up http://www.amazon.co.uk/Up-Pompey-Clueless-American-Sportswriter/dp/0753824124/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265120227&sr=1-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 time for another caption competition maybe Is that a fiver in your pocket or are you just pleased to see me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PES Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 I and others questioned MW and mentioned then that he was betting black hoping that red didnt come up. I have seen many fans interviewed and marching asking 'where has all the money gone?' Do they not know basic finance that when you give 80k a week to Crouch the rest would be on much the same. That the ground if full would generate how much against this?That the 80k a week, is every week, summer winter and fall. In a way a complete end to the club and starting from scratch may just be the best thing. There is a hard core of fans who like myself have given many years and they will not desert you, and at least you could feel cleansed because I suspect it is getting you down knowing how things are there. 'Cleansed', nice one Nick, very subtle. I'm sure you (and many others) did have reservations when Saints bet the house, many Pompey fans did (2 years ago) too, but again (and i'm not going to labour this point as I'm probably wasting my time and i'm boring myself now) the majority of fans DON'T worry about tomorrow. If you want to pretend that MOST Saints fans would be horrified had you spent 10M this transfer window, then OK fine. I guess Saints fans cement their place in the nations eyes as the 'Prudent Bankers' amoungst football fans and Pompey fans the 'DHS Red Leather corner sofa buying, Currys 50" Sony Plasma watching and Yes car credit 08 Plate Audi A4 driving, never, never credit card splurging whores' that the nation now rightly identifies us as. OH Yeah, and were all crying now in a snivelling, self pitying way "Why, why, why us? what did we do to deserve this!?!" (There, happy now Nick?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Keith Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 anyone hear the leader of portsmouth council on sky sports about 12.30 today? he did a live interview with the studio, said they had been asked to support the club, they had looked at paying their £7.5m tax bill, but they "could not lend public money without any prospect of it ever being repaid". he said all the assets the club had had all had loans secured against them, and "their was nothing else left for us to secure a loan against" he said the only other option was for it to be a gift, and that was not something that could be done with public money he was adamant though that the planning regulations meant that anyone who owns fratton park has to keep it as a staduim, and that the rules were as tight as they could be to prevent anyone developing the land for housing or retail. he did also say though, when pushed, that this can always be overturned by the secretary of state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 Sky Sports Twitter with two conflicting storys: SkySportsLive #football Portsmouth fail to meet deadline to repay £9 million to former owner Sacha Gaydamak SkySports#football Pompey eye Rocha swoop: Portsmouth are in talks with former Tottenham defender Ricardo Rocha, Sky Sports... http://bit.ly/cfh7Io Rocha was signed by Tottenham for an undisclosed fee thought to be around £3.3 million on a three-and-half-year deal, on 23 January 2007. He played his first game on the 27th, in the 3–1 win over Southend United in the FA cup's fourth round, in place of captain Ledley King who was injured at the time. On 10 February he played his first league match for Tottenham, against Sheffield United. Rocha made just five league appearances for Tottenham in 2007–08, and none in all competitions in the following season. He was eventually released on 14 June 2009, after his contract expired. On 31 August 2009, he moved to Belgium with Standard Liège, on a one-year deal. On 31 January 2010, Standard Liège released him on a free transfer. I don't think he's gonna cut the mustard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 time for another caption competition maybe "It`ll cost you £50 for all night"" said Al Fahim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLove Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 Question for PES and all our other skate mates on this board. You have 2 options 1) You are rescued by a massive saints fan who then wears his shirt in full view when ever possible to remind you on a daily basis that a Summer saved your ass's. 2) You fold and start afresh (maybe possible if the local boys down the pub can find enough players). I know the first will never happen but would like to see what your response to this would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 "Is this unit 1...I likey" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 Your both being hugely unfair fellas. I really don't see what your getting at? You seem to be suggesting that Pompey fans don't have any cause/right to be upset or angry at whats going on? 1)What did you really expect Pompey fans to do when we we're going through the good times? 2)How did Pompey fans react any differently than any other fans that find themselves having a good time of it? 3)When Saints tried to buy their way back into the Premier League at the first time of asking, did the MAJORITY advise against gambling on a quick return? 4)Did Saints fans therfore forego their right to be angry at their clubs failed gamble? Do you think there we're no voices of concern during this time? I can assure you there were! But what could they do about it? It's not a community club, it's at the behest of its owners like it or not. I think maybe you're missing the point here. The thing that really gets me (and others on here, I think) when reading through some of the rants and moans on the Pompey forums is that so many of them are hurling their anger and abuse at entirely the wrong people. Every now and then somebody points the finger at Storrie, Gaydamak and/or 'Arry, but for the most part it's the current owners (and often then, it seems, as much because of their ethnicity as anything else) or the Premier League and the FA. Comments such as "How could the PL allow us to sign players on such huge wages?", the like of which I've read many times recently, indicate a stubborn refusal to accept that the only ones to blame for Pompey's current parlous state are those who've been running things there for the past few years. How would these same posters have reacted if the PL or FA had prevented Pompey from signing Campbell, Crouch, Defoe or other high-earning players? Those same posters complained loud and long about the transfer embargo (and even the current status of loans and frees only), apparently with not a thought to the fact that the club is unable to pay even the current wage bill. Regarding your points about Saints' spending a few seasons ago: yes, we did spend out in an attempt to get back to the Premier League, and came close to getting there. Our problems stemmed from a failure to deal with the consequences of that failure. And the sheer level of overspending here was as nothing compared to that at Fratton Park. Quantitative rather than qualitative, I grant you, but a big difference nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 time for another caption competition maybe Mr Al Fahim is welcomed to the parish of Horton Heath Mr Al Fahim said 'I knew when I took one look at her, that she was not from Portsmouth' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie66 Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 the natural thought is, someone will invest last minute and they will be saved, something will come up.... But let's look at the facts, we are in a new era of banking discipline and impatient taxmen - they need a new owner who is happy to risk maybe £150M on turning the club round, a man who doesn't want to buy Newcastle cheaper, and ideally they need him to complete in the next seven days! They have been hunting this madman for a year without success, people that rich don't get that rich by risking huge sums on lunatic schemes. A business proposition like that is only useful if you want to launder huge amounts of dirty money but the authorities are all over this club now, it so obviously isn't a real business anymore. And if it comes to post-admin - the complex web of debt, loans, and vague ownership, along with the asset-stripped structure are likely to leave a club without a cva or a ground, heavily penalised, and not worth even a cheap punt. The blue few paradise scenario of a fresh new vibrant club created the next day free of debt, is like most of what we have heard from the Fratton management clowns in the last six months, fantasy. Nothing has changed in six months - spin and rumour hasn't cleared a single debt. Cash was the only answer, and they still need lots of it, and now. And for the odd sensible Pompey poster on here, yes we would enjoy the highs as you did, but if Pardew had just put in an offer of £10M for a player I think most on here would be quietly horrified unless our owner announced he had put aside huge money and a longterm budget to move the club forward. As post-apocalypse fans I think we are more aware of wages and fees and I would rather lose some games than see our management team gamble the future of the club on some short term dreaming. Don't get me wrong, I won't be demanding that we buy poor players and pay low wages but it all needs to be sustainable and thankfully that appears to be the way we are operating. Meanwhile, as Pompey have refused to address their debts and made no effort to offload players they cannot afford to pay, we will be facing a team in the fa cup that has been criminally-assembled by a club that is clearly trading illegally, and as such brings the game into disrepute.[/QUOTE] Could not agree more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PES Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 I was being 'unfair' when I said last night that I would happily **** on your grave. However (!), what I've said above doesn't ring as too harsh for me. Of course you have a right to be angry, thats a given. Even I'm angry. But my anger is vented towards the people it should be - the people whom buried you in the first place: Peter Storrie and those who oversaw the gross mismanagement and unsustainable overspending. Everything seems to be directed at the Arabs and I do feel a bit of sympathy with SAF (maybe not so much Al-Mirage.) I think Al-Fahim probably came into the club with good, honest intentions but the situation simply was not repairable. And Storrie-teller continually beats him with the 'if we'd got there 6 weeks earlier' stick then none of this would have happened. As for Gaydamak, someone, somewhere must have known his intentions. Someone must have flagged it. If I remember correctly, Storrie was always sitting aside him smugly grinning when the times were good. Now the **** has hit the fan all of a sudden Storrie had no idea of the financial situation behind the scenes and for £1.5m a year must have done little than scratch his arse and smile for the cameras - well, that is what he'd have you believe, anyway. Storrie ruined your club. He was capably aided by Twitchy, Gaydamak and possibly Mandaric (judging by some of the unpaid bills still lingering around.) People with only greed at the top of their agenda with little thought given to the fans and the staff. All those snouts in one Premier League club trough, sickening. Even 'Arry the rent-a-quote c()nt is completely unbashed by what is happening and admits no responsibility. And as for the Premier League, well... they too are responsible for some of what has happened at Portsmouth, but not all of it. The PL is corrupt and quite frankly vile and when you've got the likes of all these suits swanning around creaming off the fat for themselves it makes it even harder to digest. Also, whilst clubs like Chester, Luton and even those tw4ts down the road Bournemouth suffer, the Premier League and its clubs continue to line their own pockets when just 1 or 2 million extra distributed amongst the FL would put alot of the clubs back ob the right track. Yes, some of those clubs may have been entirely at fault for their own financial problems but what of those who were not? The ones who were genuinely innocent (Luton here definitely comes to mind) but continued to be punished over and over until they were pushed to the brink of non-existence? Both the PL and FL need a shake-up, really. I can only hope that if you do implode and cease to exist than both footballing bodies are turned upside down to root out the dishonest and despicable leeches and corrupt people who blight the game. For too long the PL and the FL have operated under a cloak of protection - and it's about time they were held bang to rights. As for what happened at Saints, I don't draw many comparisons - we didn't overspend by cheating - our primary debt was that of the stadium. Saints actually handled themselves with relative dignity (and believe me, we are a mess) as opposed to Portsmouth - we thought the mud-slinging was bad down here in the summer but you lot have taken it to a whole new level. Not the fans so much, but the officials; no-one appears to know how it happened, no-one appears to have foreseen it coming - it just appeared. We continued to meet the bills and whilst there was cut-backs, there wasn't things like creditors not being paid for 2k, stadium lights, advertisements and our official site being shut down. That's embarrassing. We do share one thing in common though - no matter how many times either of the fanbases do the figures, no-one can account for where a lot of the money went. A sad indictment of the game perhaps and I'm sure the Leeds fans also had the same problem when trying to figure out why all that cash disappeared into thin air... I appreciate you taking the time to explain in detail your thought, It's all correct, most intelligent Pompey fans could and would be writing exactly the sam thing. Most Pompey fans have a distrust for Storrie (Always have) and would (i'm sure) agree with virtually all you've written. Tha race of the people involved now at Pompey is irrelevant (I know some don't see it that way, but we all ignore them don't we?) ruthless people are at work and it has little if nothing to do with the fans of PFC, who regardless of mosts people on here's (in some cases) justified low opinion of them, are guilty of nothing other than wanting to see their side do well, Pompey aren't a club of middle class, well educated, financially literate supporters, indeed are Saints? so why the hell would they be bothered or even aware of how poorly their club was being run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PES Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 Question for PES and all our other skate mates on this board. You have 2 options 1) You are rescued by a massive saints fan who then wears his shirt in full view when ever possible to remind you on a daily basis that a Summer saved your ass's. 2) You fold and start afresh (maybe possible if the local boys down the pub can find enough players). I know the first will never happen but would like to see what your response to this would be. Do you know something Jonny? Are you saying Alexander Lebedev is a Saints fan? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 PES, there is a difference. Saints gambled and lost. But that gamble was to get back to the PL, and all the "money from the Sky" that goes with it. If we had succeeded it would have been a great bet. Pompey, on the other hand, could never sustain the debt, as a going concern, no matter what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PES Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 Our gates then were still comparable with your Premier League gates now. And we hadn't exactly had the success you have had in the seasons preceding that. Good for you Wade, I also go and support my team, so what are you telling me for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 he's a few for your PES: The Hunt For wages since October Dead Club Walking Crouching tiger hidden tax bill? Big Trouble in little Portsea and one for arry: Catch Me If You Can You forgot: 'The Last Days of Pompey' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 2 February, 2010 Share Posted 2 February, 2010 lol, they're gonna make a film about us. I like the 'Club that refused to die!' I'm sure some on here could come up with some other good suggestions for a working title? 'Unflushable Turds' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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