Lurkster Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Pompey plan Tesco deal http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-plan-tesco-deal-1-5228525 Mr Robinson is mentioned a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 So the 'stadium development' is a new food kiosk and a bit of car park... While next door neighbour Mr Robinson has sold to Tesco. Nice deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Bloody funny. They've been led to believe the whole point of getting into bed with a property developer was on the understanding they would get a new and improved Fratton Park as a result And they end up with a food court LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 So the liability for the clock repair is nothing to do with the new owners, the company that fixed it can jog on. But the clock itself is fundamental to the glorious historic club that is Pompey (see FA Cup 'win') so hand it over. Just eff off you disgusting bunch of knuckle dragging sister bothering retards. I have still yet to meet a Pompey fan with an IQ that exceeds that of a salad bowl. They have all been knobheads. Every last one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holepuncture Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Bloody funny. They've been led to believe the whole point of getting into bed with a property developer was on the understanding they would get a new and improved Fratton Park as a result And they end up with a food court LOL Im can imagine Mr Chainrai is a teeny bit f*cked off about all this... it was a scam by Robinson all along and he knew it. Fair play to old Robsinson, he has played a good game in siding with the trust and its propaganda machine.. imagine the uproar by factless et al if Chinny tried to sell off all the land in exchange for some new concrete and painted lines with a burger joint dumped on top. If this deal goes through the skates have condemmed themselves to fatpipes for a generation... even if a white night came in with buckets of money, they will be unable to develop the fatpipes... the land is all gone. And fatpipes was used in the court to blackmail the judge, so another location is not on the agenda for the few... ala Moneyfields. This Tesco deal could be the beggining of a whole new era of the pompey takeover saga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 But none of that article is actually true, is it? Pompey haven't signed any deal with Tesco. And they haven't had any good news from the High Court. The concept of truth seems to be completely alien to anybody connected in any way with the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Im can imagine Mr Chainrai is a teeny bit f*cked off about all this... it was a scam by Robinson all along and he knew it. Fair play to old Robsinson, he has played a good game in siding with the trust and its propaganda machine.. imagine the uproar by factless et al if Chinny tried to sell off all the land in exchange for some new concrete and painted lines with a burger joint dumped on top. If this deal goes through the skates have condemmed themselves to fatpipes for a generation... even if a white night came in with buckets of money, they will be unable to develop the fatpipes... the land is all gone. And fatpipes was used in the court to blackmail the judge, so another location is not on the agenda for the few... ala Moneyfields. This Tesco deal could be the beggining of a whole new era of the pompey takeover saga. So true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Speaking of which, was the court case decision ever published? I seem to recall that the judge said it would be put into the public domain quite quickly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Speaking of which, was the court case decision ever published? I seem to recall that the judge said it would be put into the public domain quite quickly... There was no Court case decision. The Parties settled out of Court. You're falling into the trap of believing the "we beat Chainrai in Court" crap you read in the News. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 At last Fratton will get the improvements it requires Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Bob Beech @bobbeech Important to remember that this Tesco deal is with Robinson not PFC. Club will be able to do some redevelopment but this won't be an earner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Pompey plan Tesco deal http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-plan-tesco-deal-1-5228525 Mr Robinson is mentioned a lot Pompey chairman Iain McInnes said:‘We are fully behind this scheme. If the development gets planning consent the club will receive substantial financial investment.‘In the short-term, some of that money will enable us to address a back-log of legacy planned maintenance and safety issues with Fratton Park, to ensure it is fully operational next season. ‘We are also looking at some other improvements to make the match-day experience inside and outside the ground much better, particularly providing more comfortable and befitting facilities for disabled supporters. ‘The majority of the money we receive however will be put into a ring-fenced account to be used to help kick-start our fund for improvements to the stadium. The club is well aware of the need to improve the Stadium’s facilities if we are to fulfil our potential as a club. ‘In the next 12 months we will separately be undertaking a feasibility study to explore ways we can finance a phased re-development of Fratton Park. This is a project of the highest priority for the Board and the fans. ‘To achieve it will require realistic, measurable timescales, communicated effectively and aggressively pursued. The money we will receive from Point Estates will give us a solid platform for the short term improvements and to begin the search for other sources of funding to finally deliver the improved facilities our fans deserve.’ I may have missed it but I can't see anything in that statement about using the money to pay back creditors earlier than planned, or indeed giving them back a bit more of the c.£150m they lost. It's almost as if they want to airbrush recent events from the history books.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Would it be wrong to each send a letter of objection to the Portsmouth Council Planning Committee stating that there are already enough supermarkets in the area and that the claimed 300 new jobs will be at the expense of independent traders who go bust? That there are concerns about the additional amount of traffic congestion that a new store would cause locally and that the land has not been allocated for retail development? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Would it be wrong to each send a letter of objection to the Portsmouth Council Planning Committee stating that there are already enough supermarkets in the area and that the claimed 300 new jobs will be at the expense of independent traders who go bust? Local businesses currently make c.£300m per annum from Pompey being in existence so there's still plenty of profit to share around.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Would it be wrong to each send a letter of objection to the Portsmouth Council Planning Committee stating that there are already enough supermarkets in the area and that the claimed 300 new jobs will be at the expense of independent traders who go bust? That there are concerns about the additional amount of traffic congestion that a new store would cause locally and that the land has not been allocated for retail development? I would do the opposite. There doesn't seem alot in this deal for PFC. They are going to box their ground in making any future expansion impossible all for the sake of a bit of car parking, disabled facilities and pedestrian access. It would also make the value of FP less should they want to sell it and move in the future. If they are going to do a deal with Tescos they should at least get a whole new stand out of it IMO otherwise it seems pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holepuncture Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 I may have missed it but I can't see anything in that statement about using the money to pay back creditors earlier than planned, or indeed giving them back a bit more of the c.£150m they lost. It's almost as if they want to airbrush recent events from the history books.... It wasnt their fault moosh, they merely explicitly endorsed it.. nothing of the bad is allowed to stick, only the cup win stays. Funny to see they are already planning to raise more debt to chuck into the crumbling wreck of the fatpipes, its a black hole! Also interesting that champagne iain mentions that they have to clear the back log of planned maintenence and safety issues just so that the fatpipes are "fully operational". Reading between the lines, just a little bit, suggests they are stuggling to get a safety certificate and they hugely underestimated what an abslute sh*thole fatpipes is, and that there £2-300 a week maintenence budget probably needs to increase to around £20k per week. SHALALA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 It might be amusing to register an objection to the Tesco store and start a campaign opposing it at http://www.tescopoly.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Bob Beech @bobbeech Important to remember that this Tesco deal is with Robinson not PFC. Club will be able to do some redevelopment but this won't be an earner So the deal is not with the club but with Robinson. Can you remind us again who Robinson is, and how he got hold of the land? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 So Stuart Robinson got himself in on the PST bid so that he could make a whole bunch of money from redeveloping the land, rather than out of love for the club. Who suspected that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 At last Fratton will get the improvements it requires Is this The Fratton End after the Improvements? Loving the Al Fresco Bogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 As a frequent poster on this little thread, as recently as this week, I was going to post, that it was time to close it. Whilst many people have lost out and only 1 point out of the 29 deducted, actually had any impact, their league position and status would suggest "justice" in some small part has been served. But it would seem I was a little premature, not that administration or insolvency beckons (Just yet), but in the sense that "Karma" is still in the game and the vision of a shiny new fat pipes, has in reality, manifested itself as a brand new hot dog stand, with a few coppers chucked in to scrape fat pipes through to being allowed to open. The funny thing is some nut jobs at the time suggested that the property developer was only in it for himself and would be the only winner.............. Bet they are not laughing now.............................................Oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 I would do the opposite. There doesn't seem alot in this deal for PFC. They are going to box their ground in making any future expansion impossible all for the sake of a bit of car parking, disabled facilities and pedestrian access. It would also make the value of FP less should they want to sell it and move in the future. If they are going to do a deal with Tescos they should at least get a whole new stand out of it IMO otherwise it seems pointless. What the Tescos Value Stand ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 they really thought Tesco were going to pay for a new stand... http://www.fansonline.net/portsmouth/mb/view.php?id=502321 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifeintheslowlane Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 To be fair I think it reasonable to assume the rotation of the ground 180/360 degrees is still a goer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 (edited) I've slightly lost the plot on this thread (for the umpteenth time)... So, to recap, when the trust put in a bid for the club last year, Stuart Robinson helped facilitate this by giving (lending?) the trust a sum of money with which to buy out Chainrai. At around the same time Robinson bought the surrounding land. So, the trust bought the club and Robinson struck a deal with Tesco to develop the surrounding land. What I don't get is why all that means Robinson now gives the Trust another chunk of money to improve the ground on the back of the Tesco deal? Is that just some kind of sweetener to get the planning signed off or is he so unconditionally in love with Pompey that he wants to give them cash at every available opportunity? Also, how does this fit in with the court case collapsing in December due to an issue with/from Robinson's REL company? Is it Robinson that has 1 or more charges against the club? Edited 27 June, 2013 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 (edited) I've slightly lost the plot on this thread (for the umpteenth time)... So, to recap, when the trust put in a bid for the club last year, Stuart Robinson helped facilitate this by giving (lending?) the trust a sum of money with which to buy out Chainrai. At around the same time Robinson bought the surrounding land. So, the trust bought the club and Robinson struck a deal with Tesco to develop the surrounding land. What I don't get is why all that means Robinson now gives the Trust another chunk of money to improve the ground on the back of the Tesco deal? Is that just some kind of sweetener to get the planning signed off or is he so unconditionally in love with Pompey that he wants to give them cash at every available opportunity? Also, how does this fit in with the court case collapsing in December due to an issue with/from Robinson's REL company? Is it Robinson that has 1 or more charges against the club? It'll be within the planning application as an S106 agreement that money will be handed to the club for ground upgrades. Most developers have to pay S106 agreements to community causes / aiding the local economy etc as part of the pay off. In fact Tesco did exactly the same recently in Manchester where they paid a substantial sum to Lancs County Cricket Club to upgrade OT Cricket Ground in order to locate a Tesco Extra store nearby. This is why PFC are talking about the money being "ring-fenced". We'll have to wait to see the details of the planning application when it is submitted to Portsmouth Council. Edited 27 June, 2013 by TopGun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 double post!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 So at what point will they decide the 'donation from Tesco/Robinson' is burning a hole in the pocket of the escrow account and sneak it out by a bit of creating accounting to spend on paying over-the-odds wages for a couple of players to boost their promotion chances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 It'll be within the planning application as an S106 agreement that money will be handed to the club for ground upgrades. Most developers have to pay S106 agreements to community causes / aiding the local economy etc as part of the pay off. In fact Tesco did exactly the same recently in Manchester where they paid a substantial sum to Lancs County Cricket Club to upgrade OT Cricket Ground in order to locate a Tesco Extra store nearby. This is why PFC are talking about the money being "ring-fenced". We'll have to wait to see the details of the planning application when it is submitted to Portsmouth Council. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 So at what point will they decide the 'donation from Tesco/Robinson' is burning a hole in the pocket of the escrow account and sneak it out by a bit of creating accounting to spend on paying over-the-odds wages for a couple of players to boost their promotion chances? + 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 So at what point will they decide the 'donation from Tesco/Robinson' is burning a hole in the pocket of the escrow account and sneak it out by a bit of creating accounting to spend on paying over-the-odds wages for a couple of players to boost their promotion chances? A very fair point. You can't see the FL being that competent at overseeing how PFC are meant to manage their money and I'd doubt Portsmouth Council will watch it that hard either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 they really thought Tesco were going to pay for a new stand... http://www.fansonline.net/portsmouth/mb/view.php?id=502321And the Loons want the ground expanded to 30K PMSL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Neil Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Dave Kitson has just signed for Oxford who happen to have pompey first game of the season, came out with this cheeky quote "Oxford is the only League Two club that I considered because at this stage in my career I am looking to be part of a successful promotion campaign." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 Dave Kitson has just signed for Oxford who happen to have pompey first game of the season, came out with this cheeky quote "Oxford is the only League Two club that I considered because at this stage in my career I am looking to be part of a successful promotion campaign." I can't remember, is Kitson one of the players they still owe money too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 I can't remember, is Kitson one of the players they still owe money too? Dear me, he has crashed and burned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 I suggest they return the clock. Not working, of course, perhaps with the hands set at 3 o'clock. Then if the new club want it repaired they can try and find a firm who will do it for them, big deposit in advance and payment before restitution. Clock repairing can't be a very big industry: I suggest that they'd struggle to find a willing firm. I agree. Returning all of the pieces of the clock is the only rightful thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 27 June, 2013 Share Posted 27 June, 2013 I can't remember, is Kitson one of the players they still owe money too? Kitson hung on until August last year so unclear whether he is owed cash. Realistically he must be a football creditor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 28 June, 2013 Share Posted 28 June, 2013 Pompey chairman Iain McInnes said:‘We are fully behind this scheme. If the development gets planning consent the club will receive substantial financial investment.‘In the short-term, some of that money will enable us to address a back-log of legacy planned maintenance and safety issues with Fratton Park, to ensure it is fully operational next season. ‘We are also looking at some other improvements to make the match-day experience inside and outside the ground much better, particularly providing more comfortable and befitting facilities for disabled supporters. ‘The majority of the money we receive however will be put into a ring-fenced account to be used to help kick-start our fund for improvements to the stadium. The club is well aware of the need to improve the Stadium’s facilities if we are to fulfil our potential as a club. ‘In the next 12 months we will separately be undertaking a feasibility study to explore ways we can finance a phased re-development of Fratton Park. This is a project of the highest priority for the Board and the fans. ‘To achieve it will require realistic, measurable timescales, communicated effectively and aggressively pursued. The money we will receive from Point Estates will give us a solid platform for the short term improvements and to begin the search for other sources of funding to finally deliver the improved facilities our fans deserve. This kind of suggests that if they don't get planning they can't afford to do the necessary maintenance work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 28 June, 2013 Share Posted 28 June, 2013 Dear me, he has crashed and burned. Or, as with his former employers. gravitating to his level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 28 June, 2013 Share Posted 28 June, 2013 I could be wrong but I thought Dubai Phil had intimated that there was a man as a front for Tescos / a supermarket some months ago, when the fans were taking over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 28 June, 2013 Share Posted 28 June, 2013 There was no Court case decision. The Parties settled out of Court. You're falling into the trap of believing the "we beat Chainrai in Court" crap you read in the News. Didn't explain very well - I meant the terms of the 'deal' that was supposed to be published 'soon'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 28 June, 2013 Share Posted 28 June, 2013 It is still soon if we are talking glaciation timescales. Give them a chance you impatient nutjob! When you take over the biggest club in world football there are priorities. They had to secure the training ground, get the shop open, unfat the pipes, release the kit, pay for the clock, post out 15,000 season tickets, sign an exclusive multi-million pound deal with Tesco to tarmac a corner of wasteland, and get the bins emptied. And they've made incredible progress, probably the bestest progress ever, and now that the bins are sorted they can crack on with other pressing tasks. So they will as promised release the details of the deal in this new era of transparency, but there is a slight hold-up beyond their control - they just need to cross the t's and some need to uncross their eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 28 June, 2013 Share Posted 28 June, 2013 It is still soon if we are talking glaciation timescales. Give them a chance you impatient nutjob! When you take over the biggest club in world football there are priorities. They had to secure the training ground, get the shop open, unfat the pipes, release the kit, pay for the clock, post out 15,000 season tickets, sign an exclusive multi-million pound deal with Tesco to tarmac a corner of wasteland, and get the bins emptied. And they've made incredible progress, probably the bestest progress ever, and now that the bins are sorted they can crack on with other pressing tasks. So they will as promised release the details of the deal in this new era of transparency, but there is a slight hold-up beyond their control - they just need to cross the t's and some need to uncross their eyes. superb stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 28 June, 2013 Share Posted 28 June, 2013 superb stuff! Agreed, one of rb's best. Would be tops, except he's a bit off-target, coz they ain't done none of them fings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 June, 2013 Share Posted 28 June, 2013 they just need to cross the t's and some need to uncross their eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 28 June, 2013 Share Posted 28 June, 2013 (edited) Agreed, one of rb's best. Would be tops, except he's a bit off-target, coz they ain't done none of them fings. smug c**t champaign Ian has managed to pop a few Cork,s charged to expenses of coarse, Edited 28 June, 2013 by mack rill suewhistle wants me back to scoolz on mundee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 June, 2013 Share Posted 28 June, 2013 smug c**t champaign Ian has manèged to pop a few Cork,s charged to expenses of coarse, Coarse fishing....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 28 June, 2013 Share Posted 28 June, 2013 Yep, it's past June 16th.. Not sure about "manèged": is that a pony reference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 28 June, 2013 Share Posted 28 June, 2013 Coarse fishing....? FFS! how else am i going to kid you feckers I'm a skate, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 June, 2013 Share Posted 28 June, 2013 It is still soon if we are talking glaciation timescales. Give them a chance you impatient nutjob! When you take over the biggest club in world football there are priorities. They had to secure the training ground, get the shop open, unfat the pipes, release the kit, pay for the clock, post out 15,000 season tickets, sign an exclusive multi-million pound deal with Tesco to tarmac a corner of wasteland, and get the bins emptied. And they've made incredible progress, probably the bestest progress ever, and now that the bins are sorted they can crack on with other pressing tasks. So they will as promised release the details of the deal in this new era of transparency, but there is a slight hold-up beyond their control - they just need to cross the t's and some need to uncross their eyes. I think you're being extremely unfair / naive RB. You appear to have forgotten the hotdog stand, which undoubtedly will be the bestest hotdog stand in the history of hotdog stands and will, most likely, bring in at least another £100m to the local economy each and every year due to it's popularity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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