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What we all should remember outside this forum and all the skates web-shiites no-one gives a toss about pompey. No matter how much they try to big themselves up no-one cares. I live in Central London and with all the various London club supporters, if on the odd occasion I mention skates, they just laugh. To them skates are a lower division side that resided for a while in the prem'.

 

So now the pikey's might start to show their heads again after being too cowardly to do so over the past few months, esp' corp ho, mackill and PFC23. Remember they are 4th division in status, position, footballers and facilities.

 

Living where I do I'd agree with those sentiments totally. As one of my stokie oppos said, the only people who give a sh.it about them are them & us!

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If I were the owners or Gay Whittingham, I think I would be entitled to ask why the players who put in such a tremendous display to beat one of the teams in the play-offs, haven't put a a similar effort all season.

 

Perhaps they feel it was their chance to put themselves in the shop window as most of them won't be there next season.

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Yes a little dissappointing that they don't get the -10 next season but FFS they're in Div 4 next season and and will be the best part of 80-odd places below us next season. They'll be providing plenty of laughs yet to come. If they weren't such a bunch of ****wits they'd have come out of admin mid-season and would have been hit when it seemed like it matters. Nutjobs would've been more satisfied but the ultimate result - relegation - would be the same.

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They couldn't afford to pay the first debts in full so they had a CVA.

Instead of paying this reduced amount they bought a sporting advantage, got to another cup final, and tried to climb the league.

That didn't go well.

 

Once again they pleaded poverty but found money to go on holiday and to outbid bigger teams for players, lying to everyone about the costs.

Now we are supposed to believe they are too poor to pay off debts again, but they've found enough to buy a football ground...

£135M stolen - no punishment. :o

 

Is this the fans' fault?

Not if they exposed the blatant criminality or complained, but they didn't.

Pudding basin-haircut boy just stood around cheering on the plucky blue army and in doing so stuck two fingers up to creditors.

That's why the few cannot claim innocence in the crimes of their one day old football club, nor the crimes of the two year old one that went before.

 

Call it financial doping, call it cheating.

Just because your woeful managers and suicidal recruitment policy got you relegated, doesn't mean the attempted cheating wasn't morally and ethically criminal.

 

And you just know they will now go on a summer spending spree and bend the FL over again - it's guaranteed!

F#ck the wages cap, they have ignored every previous rule, what will change?

 

Mr Integrity Lampitt was allowed to bypass the previous restrictions, they ignored the embargo, they even produced false accounts to the high court, and they sent players out on loan to trigger loopholes on squad numbers - so why should they worry about a wagecap that is difficult to police?

Their new wagebill might meet the wording of the rules, but their image rights deals will be off the scale.

 

By bottling this penalty the league has given them licence to pikey pikey do what they likey.

And they will.

 

 

As for Connolly, he saves them from complete humiliation over the last three months, yet they can't even give him the Player of the Season award, no doubt cos he's a facking scummah.

 

And they can say it however many times they want and the News can report it everyday, but they are clearly not a fan-owned club.

Unless of course the figures IF released show that Robinson isn't part of the new ownership consortium.

 

But will we ever see those details that were promised ten days ago?

Not all of them.

 

Just a small club, only one day old, with no history - because that was left behind with the £135M debt.

As we keep telling them, you can't just keep the bits you like.

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I think it's time to start on the book now FF, hopefully after a last word from you?

 

Any volunteers to start the "PDT's Struggle to Survive" thread? Should be good for another three years or so.

 

From Europe to Obscurity.

 

The Skate demise chronicles.

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nal, and tried to climb the league.

That didn't go well.

 

Once again they pleaded poverty but found money to go on holiday and to outbid bigger teams for players, lying to everyone about the costs.

Now we are supposed to believe they are too poor to pay off debts again, but they've found enough to buy a football ground...

£135M stolen - no punishment. :ooy[/i] just stood around cheering on the plucky blue army and in doing so stuck two fingers up to creditors.

That's why the few cannot claim innocence in the crimes of their one day old football club, nor the crimes of the two year old one that went before.

 

Call it financial doping, call it cheating.

Just because your woeful managers and suicidal recruitment policy got you relegated, doesn't mean the attempted cheating wasn't morally and ethically criminal.

 

And you just know they will now go on a summer spending spree and bend the FL over again - it's guaranteed!

F#ck the wages cap, they have ignored every previous rule, what will change?

 

Mr Integrity Lampitt was allowed to bypass the previous restrictions, they ignored the embargo, they even produced false accounts to the high court, and they sent players out on loan to trigger loopholes on squad numbers - so why should they worry about a wagecap that is difficult to police?

Their new wagebill might meet the wording of the rules, but their image rights deals will be off the scale.

 

By bottling this penalty the league has given them licence to pikey pikey do what they likey.

And they will.

 

 

As for Connolly, he saves them from complete humiliation over the last three months, yet they can't even give him the Player of the Season award, no doubt cos he's a facking scummah.

 

And they can say it however many times they want and the News can report it everyday, but they are clearly not a fan-owned club.

Unless of course the figures IF released show that Robinson isn't part of the new ownership consortium.

 

But will we ever see those details that were promised ten days ago?

Not all of them.

 

Just a small club, only one day old, with no history - because that was left behind with the £135M debt.

As we keep telling them, you can't just keep the bits you like.[/quote

 

funny as **** mush, this thread used to be about reasonable discussion now its a sad inditement to you when you should be celebrating your excellent season in the premier league. This is the last post I'll make on this site but some of us did complain and question the spending. You cannot tarnish us all with that brush I'm afraid. And on the question of us being so happy about relegation, lets face it if chinny or his stooge harris had got in, it would of been another lingering death. Will it go the same way with the trust, who knows but at least its in our own hands to fook up.

 

Thanks and goodnight

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:x

 

This old bastard must be spinning in his grave.

 

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And you just know they will now go on a summer spending spree and bend the FL over again - it's guaranteed!

F#ck the wages cap, they have ignored every previous rule, what will change?

 

Mr Integrity Lampitt was allowed to bypass the previous restrictions, they ignored the embargo, they even produced false accounts to the high court, and they sent players out on loan to trigger loopholes on squad numbers - so why should they worry about a wagecap that is difficult to police?

Their new wagebill might meet the wording of the rules, but their image rights deals will be off the scale.

 

By bottling this penalty the league has given them licence to pikey pikey do what they likey.

And they will.

I can see it now ... they'll include the remaining parachute payments as "turnover" (even though it's earmarked for previous players and Chinny). Promotion or bust spending spree number 20, here we come.

 

However I do think that maybe it is now time to close the thread as they are out of admin and have been taken over. Maybe re-open it when things start to go tits up which they will.

To paraphrase Mark Twain, reports of the death of this thread have been greatly exaggerated. If we had closed the PTS down every time Cheats FC had come out of administration, or had been takeover again, we'd be opening and closing it more often than Avram's flies at Fufu's massage parlour.

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What we all should remember outside this forum and all the skates web-shiites no-one gives a toss about pompey. No matter how much they try to big themselves up no-one cares. I live in Central London and with all the various London club supporters, if on the odd occasion I mention skates, they just laugh. To them skates are a lower division side that resided for a while in the prem'.

 

So now the pikey's might start to show their heads again after being too cowardly to do so over the past few months, esp' corp ho, mackill and PFC23. Remember they are 4th division in status, position, footballers and facilities.

 

 

Sorry, but you are wrong

 

The FL think the World of them

 

That's why they have been allowed to Cheat their way through ove £150MILLIONS in debt, qwed to many of the "little man" who do not have the financial clout to fight back, yet have only received a "token" - 10 points, which has no impact whatsoever, from the so called Football Authorities

 

Thet have (yet again) got away with Financial Murder, and all those Fawning A'holes at the FL should hang their heads in shame

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If Pompeys current regime are responsible for everything that has gone on in previohs regimes despite having no part in it then everyone that lives in Southampton will be arrested for murder today because this happened yesterday

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-22231438

 

 

Luckily, going by the crap in this thread, you all seem to have a massive legal knowledge and will be able to defend yourselves easily

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This is Jeff Stelling's take on Hartlepool (his club) being relegated from league 1 to league 2. The same 'applies' to Pompey.

 

I do think Rangers should thank their lucky stars that the dice are loaded between the Premier League and the Championship in such a way that the teams that go down can have a great chance of coming straight back up.

 

I say that because the further down the leagues you go, the dice are loaded against that happening. It applies to any club but just indulge me for a moment and look at Hartlepool as a classic case in point!

 

For most of the season we've struggled to balance the amount that we are allowed to spend on players' wages and transfer fees as a viable percentage of our turnover - an amount we can't exceed.

 

When you drop down a division, as we're about to do from League One to League Two, the percentage of your turnover that you are allowed to spend on players decreases so clubs that are relegated have to reduce their wage bill immediately - and are not even on a level playing field with the sides in the division that they are going down into.

 

The long and the short of it is that Hartlepool will have to reduce player wages by a certain percentage before we're allowed to start signing players again.

 

The players that we most want to hang on to are the ones we are most likely to lose because their hand is being forced by the Financial Fair Play at that level, which means that they have to sell their few prized assets.

 

http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,25212,12088_8649057,00.html

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And you just know they will now go on a summer spending spree and bend the FL over again - it's guaranteed!

F#ck the wages cap, they have ignored every previous rule, what will change?

 

A word of warning for everyone regarding the wage cap and 55% turnover rule.

 

Whether we like it or not the circa TEN MILLION POUNDS of parachute payments WILL count towards their 'turnover', no matter how many times these PPs have been allocated to pay of debts, the money has to come in to the club first before it goes out, so it WILL be classed as income / turnover. Add £10m in to the equation and they can actually have a VERY healthy budget for League 2!

 

Whether or not they can afford that budget is irrelevant! We all know they can't, but we also all know it won't stop them!

 

My guess is this :

The spending spree will start in the summer - they might even pay back the council loan with some of the PPs - but the rest they will spunk on new player contracts. They'll follow the same pattern and will sign overpaid journeymen who will cost a fortune. On paper they will look like a team good enough to rip up League 2, just like they did this season, but they will still have clueless Guy in charge, so will go on another loosing streak - playoffs at best.

How will this be funded, why the PPs of course! Yep, the money 'earmarked' to pay the players they couldn't afford five years ago, will go on the wages of the players they can't afford next season. Give an alcoholic a bottle of meths and he'll down it. Give Pompey some money and they'll spunk it. It's as regular as the sun coming up in the morning!

Once again, they will be 'all in' on their gamble to rise up the leagues. Sadly, they won't have considered the season after. It's one thing to get back into League 1, but the revenue once they get there will be pathetic. They'll have blown all the PPs on next season, won't have paid back the football creditors, will be in League 1 with next to no income where they will have to fall in line financially with all the other teams.

They will be back in administration again by the 2014/2015 season, only this time the debts will be football creditors from four/five years ago! If there are any local businesses on the list this time around, then those business owners should be taken to a field and shot rather than having their debt considered.

 

The one thing about Pompey is their predictability ;)

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A word of warning for everyone regarding the wage cap and 55% turnover rule.

 

Whether we like it or not the circa TEN MILLION POUNDS of parachute payments WILL count towards their 'turnover', no matter how many times these PPs have been allocated to pay of debts, the money has to come in to the club first before it goes out, so it WILL be classed as income / turnover. Add £10m in to the equation and they can actually have a VERY healthy budget for League 2!

 

Whether or not they can afford that budget is irrelevant! We all know they can't, but we also all know it won't stop them!

 

My guess is this :

The spending spree will start in the summer - they might even pay back the council loan with some of the PPs - but the rest they will spunk on new player contracts. They'll follow the same pattern and will sign overpaid journeymen who will cost a fortune. On paper they will look like a team good enough to rip up League 2, just like they did this season, but they will still have clueless Guy in charge, so will go on another loosing streak - playoffs at best.

How will this be funded, why the PPs of course! Yep, the money 'earmarked' to pay the players they couldn't afford five years ago, will go on the wages of the players they can't afford next season. Give an alcoholic a bottle of meths and he'll down it. Give Pompey some money and they'll spunk it. It's as regular as the sun coming up in the morning!

Once again, they will be 'all in' on their gamble to rise up the leagues. Sadly, they won't have considered the season after. It's one thing to get back into League 1, but the revenue once they get there will be pathetic. They'll have blown all the PPs on next season, won't have paid back the football creditors, will be in League 1 with next to no income where they will have to fall in line financially with all the other teams.

They will be back in administration again by the 2014/2015 season, only this time the debts will be football creditors from four/five years ago! If there are any local businesses on the list this time around, then those business owners should be taken to a field and shot rather than having their debt considered.

 

The one thing about Pompey is their predictability ;)

 

The big problem will be when the parachute payment has run out the season after next they will have to cut thier wages to 60% of turnover and if they have included parachute payments to get out of league 2 they will have to slash thier budget in league 1 by 50% of what is league 2.

This is when the administator or league will come down on them like a ton of bricks.

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The big problem will be when the parachute payment has run out the season after next they will have to cut thier wages to 60% of turnover and if they have included parachute payments to get out of league 2 they will have to slash thier budget in league 1 by 50% of what is league 2.

This is when the administator or league will come down on them like a ton of bricks.

 

Or, some shyster takes them over for a pittance and the whole merry go round starts again !

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Ah, so that was 249,997 people celebrating and flicking the Vs on Southsea Common, while Mero, Hall and LuvIn booed and demanded answers.

Yeah that'll be it.

 

Pity to lose Mero, when he was off the glue he was always half a step back from the insanity of Ho, I do hope that LuvIn is going to be as deluded as the Toyman, initial reports look promising - that's if it isn't the Toyman himself.

Go on mush, tell us how the charities weren't really shafted, and that the fans who have chucked £1,000 down a fatty wastepipe haven't been misled.

 

If you could complain about being punished three times for the same offence, moan about the email to referees telling them to give freekicks against pompey, and my favourite - explain to us how Man Utd and pompey's debts are just the same?....

 

Chuck in a couple of myths about a dock strike and the SS tank commander and you will be the entertainment we've been waiting for!

 

 

 

 

Two divisions below Bournemouth?....ouch.

 

And further bad news for the few who were cheering on Harry to relegate us - in the battle at the bottom it looks like their saggy-faced hero has blinked first.

 

The season is shaping up nicely. :)

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Take off 1,836 Sheff Utd fans, and there were only 16,597 Pompey fans at their "new dawn" of fans owning the club yesterday. Can't sell out a 21k stadium!

 

Can't use the "Chainrai excuse" anymore, so what is the new excuse?

 

It wasn't just that the fans trust taking over made it a big game, it was also the last home game of the season. On Saints last home game of the 2009/10 season in League One, they had -10 points and couldn't finish higher than 7th - but had a crowd of 25,289 vs Southend for a meaningless game!

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The big problem will be when the parachute payment has run out the season after next they will have to cut thier wages to 60% of turnover and if they have included parachute payments to get out of league 2 they will have to slash thier budget in league 1 by 50% of what is league 2.

This is when the administator or league will come down on them like a ton of bricks.

 

Or the fans, if they actually do the right thing.

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It does seem ridiculous that they have had their -10 points effectively waived. Is that supposed to set a precedent? "If you're down anyway lads, the FL happen to like you so here you go, wrist slapped. Try again next season with parachutes and an unfair advantage, and if you struggle there we'll see what we can do."

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Good point Wills dude.

Though the old wages will be converted into football debt it would be funny if the league decided to not include the PP as it is already accounted for.

It would seem reasonable to look at their accounts and strike off football debt against PP.

Unlikely, but it would scupper their plans - like they have any!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey Weston, that's a bit harsh on Phil!

 

His last ITK tip was pretty good.

He advised Tiger to go left of the trees on the 14th - before they both headed off to share a VIP hot tub with Girls Aloud, backstage at The Rolling Stones.

 

And he was right.

If you use a 7 iron, you can just clear the bunker.

 

 

So I for one await his bombshell news with the eager anticipation of an aroused pompey manager clutching a wad of season ticket cash in grubby little fingers, being driven towards Horton Heath.

Come on Phil, give it to us...yeah, come on, that's it, yeah...up a bit, yeah, a bit lower...etc

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You can be relied upon to be hilarious time and again.

 

I don't remember saying anything about my thoughts on whether "justice" has been "done".

 

But you compared Pompey to a bombing that has killed a child and haven't yet retracted that sentiment. I have nothing more to add.

you never add anything to the thread anyway. If you read the initial post correctly you would have seen I said it was an extreme example. Justice is justice whatever the situation.
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Why?

 

I can't think of ONE little tidbit that NITK Phil has ever given us that has actually come true. I'm not sure that this will be a bright new dawn for him either.

 

Phil just guessing that something is going to go wrong (given the lack of disclosure on the settlement, it is obvious there is something the PDT are hiding) and he wrote a teaser so he can say he told us so. Pathetic!

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If Pompeys current regime are responsible for everything that has gone on in previohs regimes despite having no part in it then everyone that lives in Southampton will be arrested for murder today because this happened yesterday

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-22231438(quote)

 

luton were taken over but had to take a massive points penalty. They have never recovered from that. You cannot keep running up the debts and then closing down leaving creditors picking up the pieces. This is the fourth time and so the club whoever is running should be penalised. You are fortunate that the FL are now toothless, perhaps when the accountants finally release the forensic report into the clubs past misdemeanours the authorities may well give you a proper punishment

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Further to the 55% of turnover spent on wages including parachute payments, will paying off footballing debts of old wages be included in the 55% allowed to be spent, as technically they are wages.

 

If it were to work that way, they'd have less than 55% of their remaining turnover to work with.

 

That would be too sensible to ever actually happen.

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If Pompeys current regime are responsible for everything that has gone on in previohs regimes despite having no part in it then everyone that lives in Southampton will be arrested for murder today because this happened yesterday

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-22231438

 

 

Luckily, going by the crap in this thread, you all seem to have a massive legal knowledge and will be able to defend yourselves easily

 

Bellend Alert! Bellend Alert.

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you never add anything to the thread anyway. If you read the initial post correctly you would have seen I said it was an extreme example. Justice is justice whatever the situation.

 

It's not an extreme situation. It has no relationship whatdoever with Pompey. None at all.

 

You comparing the family of that eight year old boy with the St Johns Ambulance being owed a few quid sums your mentalness up perfectly.

 

I see you have yet to retract your callous and sick comparison to the Boston bomb. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

 

PS - Don't mention Justice because you don't want Justice. You just want Pompey to suffer over and over. Which is fine, but please don't build it up as "justice". Don't flatter yourself.

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If Pompeys current regime are responsible for everything that has gone on in previohs regimes despite having no part in it then everyone that lives in Southampton will be arrested for murder today because this happened yesterday

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-22231438

 

 

Luckily, going by the crap in this thread, you all seem to have a massive legal knowledge and will be able to defend yourselves easily

 

:facepalm:

 

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1763 pages of posts about us suggests that you do all care just a little bit too much ;)

 

Us? Care? Care about the tens of millions of pounds of tax evasion? Care about the tens of millions of pounds lost by thousands of businesses? Care about charities being ripped off? Care about a football club cheating their way to cup final appearances and false premier league status by fielding players they couldn't afford?

 

Guilty as charged.... (Maybe you could offer advice on how to avoid our punishment...)

 

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It's not an extreme situation. It has no relationship whatdoever with Pompey. None at all.

 

You comparing the family of that eight year old boy with the St Johns Ambulance being owed a few quid sums your mentalness up perfectly.

 

I see you have yet to retract your callous and sick comparison to the Boston bomb. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

 

PS - Don't mention Justice because you don't want Justice. You just want Pompey to suffer over and over. Which is fine, but please don't build it up as "justice". Don't flatter yourself.

I never mentioned the boy, you brought him into your post. I made it clear that my example was extreme from the start.

You are correct in that I want Pompey to suffer by getting punished,not having penalties that have no meaning at all.

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It's disgraceful that they have got off without punishment again, doesn't surprise me though. Cheating skate ****ers.

 

It's going to be p!ss funny watching this fan ownership turn sour though. There are all celebrating at the moment but the fact is their club is in a complete mess and they have just been taken over by people who don't have a pot to p!ss in. And they are going to have to answer to a bunch of mong fans with unrealistic expectations.

 

They will be in admin again shortly after the last parachute is paid IMO.

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It's disgraceful that they have got off without punishment again, doesn't surprise me though. Cheating skate ****ers.

 

It's going to be p!ss funny watching this fan ownership turn sour though. There are all celebrating at the moment but the fact is their club is in a complete mess and they have just been taken over by people who don't have a pot to p!ss in. And they are going to have to answer to a bunch of mong fans with unrealistic expectations.

 

They will be in admin again shortly after the last parachute is paid IMO.

it seems they have had an unending amount of parachute payments, I thought we only got 2
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it seems they have had an unending amount of parachute payments, I thought we only got 2

Who'd have thought that, as the total value of the Premier League TV contracts increase, so have the subsequent parachute payments.

 

Come on Nick, I'm sure you're not stupid, but you don't half come across as though you have absolutely no common sense or ability to think sensibly. It's not as if the exact structure of the parachute payments Pompey have been entitled to for the last 3 years haven't been regularly posted on here either. £16m per year for two years followed by £8m per year for two years.

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Why?

 

I can't think of ONE little tidbit that NITK Phil has ever given us that has actually come true. I'm not sure that this will be a bright new dawn for him either.

 

I don't know what "sources" he thinks he has or why whether he thinks he's going to "compromise" them by revealing all, but it comes across as a wind up, and there's never anything in it anyway.

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With their budet and the decent youngsters they seemed to have brought through (whoever their youth development officer is fair play to him - is the PST still getting rid of the youthe set up by the way?) I think they will have a good chance of doing somethign next season. However, I've been wrong before. If things don't go well, and the Chairman (and major shareholder??) and CEO aren't to the fans liking, is there a procedure in place to vote them out?

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On one level it looks like they are well set for the future but we just don't know how the dynamic between the various parties is going to play out. It could all go swimmingly but there are almost certainly speed bumps ahead that will test how well the PST, the HNW individuals and the property developer all are at pulling in the same direction.

 

On the subject of the property developer its rumoured that his loan will need to be paid back over the coming few years and I don't think that's covered by the multi-use parachute payments so they will need to definitely have to find the money to pay that.

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