EastleighSoulBoy Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 Oh,and that is not the only one........ http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Portsmouth-linked-with-returning-midfielder-Newcastle-bad-boy-and-former-Arsenal-striker-as-transfer-embargo-is-lifted-article301323.html Any of them cup tied? Barton, the epitome of all things Pompey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 Oh,and that is not the only one........ http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Portsmouth-linked-with-returning-midfielder-Newcastle-bad-boy-and-former-Arsenal-striker-as-transfer-embargo-is-lifted-article301323.html Any of them cup tied? They'll now be linked with pretty much any possible loanee or free transfer, so I wouldn't read too much into that. The bad news is that they'll almost certainly get O'Hara back. Plus they'll have some others in mind, though whether they get them or not is a different matter. The better news is that they'll even more certainly lose some of their better players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 So it was TDD that said 'Kiss me Hardy' :shock: The DD said it with a lisp and sounded like Kishe me....Hardy replied The DD what do you take me for....:smt054 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 So it was TDD that said 'Kiss me Hardy' :shock: Who can say what these talc boys get up to when they are 600 fathoms down in Das Boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 Sign up to flickr. It's a banned web site unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Keith Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 statement from the premier league In a statement the Premier League said: "The board has taken this action as Portsmouth FC has no outstanding debts to football clubs as of this date." i.e. we know they still owe shedloads, but they have agreed instalments whilst holding creditors over a barrel with the threat of admin, and haven't defaulted on these yet, but they undoubtedly will do when they next become due, and then they will be fooked again, and we are just covering our arses for now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 It's a banned web site unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 statement from the premier league In a statement the Premier League said: "The board has taken this action as Portsmouth FC has no outstanding debts to football clubs as of this date." i.e. we know they still owe shedloads, but they have agreed instalments whilst holding creditors over a barrel with the threat of admin, and haven't defaulted on these yet, but they undoubtedly will do when they next become due, and then they will be fooked again, and we are just covering our arses for now Kin-ell St K Is that word for word? Might not be a lie but Bit Strong INIT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 those are the flags I mentioned that spell "discover"... cool as fuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Keith Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 (edited) Kin-ell St K Is that word for word? Might not be a lie but Bit Strong INIT! note the quotation marks. they did teach that in portsmouth schools years ago;) Edited 26 January, 2010 by Saint Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 The DD said it with a lisp and sounded like Kishe me....Hardy replied The DD what do you take me for....:smt054 im more of a Cuthbert Collingwood man...well I spent most of my shore time in collingwood.. and a dabble in chicksands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 those are the flags I mentioned that spell "discover"... cool as fuk bloody hell, i never realised that until you mentioned it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 bloody hell, i never realised that until you mentioned it! did you know that the flags painted on the bridge at southampton central say (or used to) "welcome to southampton" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 im more of a Cuthbert Collingwood man...well I spent most of my shore time in collingwood.. and a dabble in chicksands Sparky or greeny..can't remember or was it leccy...Anyway What did Nelson mean.....goodbye in French...Those canons must have done your ears...mutton and jeff.. Clubswinger at Gosport Sultan in 70/71...next to Posting/drafting and when they came through for sport in hangar..I used to look after the scribes who then got me a married accompanied to Rooke Gibraltar base PTI...Two Gib FA Cup final winners medals 71/72.....As you know like winning IOW cup final.. I digress..What were we talking about....COYRs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 This picture is worthy of a caption competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 This picture is worthy of a caption competition. The Dell Days poke it up much harder:rolleyes:...the balls will never react....Yes Sir Mr Storrie. :tfrag: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadeem Hardison Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 This picture is worthy of a caption competition. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 Rumour alert.....Jack Wilshere(sp) from Arsenal is going to be loaned to them. Wouldn't surprise me if Arsenal will also pay his wages. Arsenal are set to lose the 6 points they got against them (and +6 g.d.) if the skates are wound up, so Wenger and Arsenal will probably do everything they can to keep the skates alive until the end of the season. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 Wouldn't surprise me if Arsenal will also pay his wages. Arsenal are set to lose the 6 points they got against them (and +6 g.d.) if the skates are wound up, so Wenger and Arsenal will probably do everything they can to keep the skates alive until the end of the season. :cool: Arsenal won't lose 6 points if Pompey go bust... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 Arsenal won't lose 6 points if Pompey go bust... They will if all of Pompey's results are expunged from the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin Strain Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 I don't doubt he may be interested, but if he is I would say it will be after the administration plug has been pulled. Having said that, if I was a P*mpey fan I would do everything in my power to stop yet another dodgy foreign crook taking over my club. But even then it's still going to cost in the region of £30m + as that's the sort of money that the assets would raise. Additionally, Gaydamak would be holding the land to ransom so he couldn't develop a ground on the existing site. Maybe he'd be better stumping up enough cash up front (depending on whether the actual debt is closer to £60m than £85m) Having said all of that, it still makes no financial sense to buy Pompey whichever way you look at it. The problem is the number of creditors. I assume if a club goes into admin that the stadium, as the security of a loan, immediately goes to Chainrai. Any buyer would have to negotiate with him for the release of that, and then for the land around it separately with Gaydamak. It's a complete minefield, and time is short. For that reason, why would he buy Pompey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin Strain Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 Wrong, it's why the Transfer embargo has been lifted. They can only get Loan deals or free transfers - The Premier league are obviosuly still not happy with their money situation so have put on this 'condition' if you like. So, they're looking for clubs who can are willing to give them players on free transfers (and those players will obviously need to be prepared to sign for them), and they can loan one more player (assuming O'Hara comes back) - they're only one short of their quota. In short, this is moving the deck chairs around on the titanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 Spot all the empty seats for their crucial 6 pointer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 A question on loan players. Does the club who owns the player still pay the player and recharge the club the player is lent to or does the player get paid by the club he gets lent to? I'd would have guessed the former option as the player is still registered to the first club. If so any player getting lent to Pompey won't care about the financial situation as they are guarenteed their money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 A question on loan players. Does the club who owns the player still pay the player and recharge the club the player is lent to or does the player get paid by the club he gets lent to? I'd would have guessed the former option as the player is still registered to the first club. If so any player getting lent to Pompey won't care about the financial situation as they are guarenteed their money. Yep, the player will still be the employee of the loaning club so will get paid by them. Pompey's problem isn't an issue in terms of loanee's wages but is not great for any player of the calibre to demand a decent loan fee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 Yep, the player will still be the employee of the loaning club so will get paid by them. Pompey's problem isn't an issue in terms of loanee's wages but is not great for any player of the calibre to demand a decent loan fee! Must admit that I hadn't considered the fact that they may not be able to get any loan signings where a fee is due!! Just listening to the radio about Crystal Palace, saying that by going into administration today to avoid their winding up order they now have a year of administration to sort out their financial woes. I would imagine that Pompey will do something similar and go into admin at the last moment to avoid being wound up. It seems they will be with us for a while yet, unless the administrator decides they are a lost cause anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 Must admit that I hadn't considered the fact that they may not be able to get any loan signings where a fee is due!! Just listening to the radio about Crystal Palace, saying that by going into administration today to avoid their winding up order they now have a year of administration to sort out their financial woes. I would imagine that Pompey will do something similar and go into admin at the last moment to avoid being wound up. It seems they will be with us for a while yet, unless the administrator decides they are a lost cause anyway. Yep. Pompey won't put themselves into admin though (they would have to apply to the court and I can't see them bothering); if anyone does it will be a secured creditor who stands to lose a lot if they're wound-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 They might need to factor in a a minus 7 million of the kaboul asking price...... that could be a very expensive own goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 (edited) ... Edited 26 January, 2010 by benjii Wrong thread, believe it or not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 Yep. Pompey won't put themselves into admin though (they would have to apply to the court and I can't see them bothering); if anyone does it will be a secured creditor who stands to lose a lot if they're wound-up. Good point, I'd forgotten they couldn't put themselves into admin. Can't see any secured creditors doing it, that would delay the Tesco build on the lad that they're secured on. So that leaves Sol Campbell to put the knife in.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 Absolute disgrace... and I am not saying that because it is P*mpey. How can any football club be allowed to buy players when they can't even afford to pay their staff, let alone creditors. I suppose the one good thing is that no football club in their right mind is going to sell a player to them for anything other than cash up front or a loan. The Premier League have f*cked this one up completely. If they don't pay the players and staff on time again on Friday, yet manage to rustle up some transfer fees then The FA and UEFA/FIFA need to have a long hard look at what the PL are up to. Spot on!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 did you know that the flags painted on the bridge at southampton central say (or used to) "welcome to southampton" Never knew that either. In fact, I didn't know that the flags symbolised letters. :-o I thought they meant something but for whatever reason, like many things I never researched it! Pretty awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 Spot all the empty seats for their crucial 6 pointer Attendance 18,300 including 2,300 away fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 Watching it now on Football First,all those empty seats are an embarrassment. One of the most important games of their season so far and they can't even sell out? Best fans in the world my arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tac-tics Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 "I can't see no fishes over the other side, ah well Dad, you'll have to do" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 PFC123, it's going to be funny as feck if you don't get 20k+ for this six pointer. No-one outside of the SO postcode gives a damn about attendances. You only try to make a big thing about it because that's all you can shout about. No-one else cares........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 its normal not to fill a (tiny) ground for relegation 6 pointers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 No-one outside of the SO postcode gives a damn about attendances. You only try to make a big thing about it because that's all you can shout about. No-one else cares........ If you visit truebluearmy you will see that many many skates DO care about attendance. It's clear for all to see that we are the better supported club. Do you really think if the situations were reversed that we would be getting attendances as low as yours? Pathetic support. You should be ashamed and you should care because you should want to do something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 26 January, 2010 Share Posted 26 January, 2010 If you visit truebluearmy you will see that many many skates DO care about attendance. It's clear for all to see that we are the better supported club. Do you really think if the situations were reversed that we would be getting attendances as low as yours? Pathetic support. You should be ashamed and you should care because you should want to do something about it. Zzzzzzzzzzz......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 27 January, 2010 Share Posted 27 January, 2010 They just don't have as big of a supporter base. Simple as that really, no arguments/discussion needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 27 January, 2010 Share Posted 27 January, 2010 No-one outside of the SO postcode gives a damn about attendances. You only try to make a big thing about it because that's all you can shout about. No-one else cares........ Surely though attendances are paramount to you in your current predicament. I would imagine that money raised from your STH is long since gone - therefore your walk up support is the only gate monies coming into the club at the moment. I believe that you need all the funds you can get right now. It is actually more important though, that you show any potential investors that the fans are still behind the club, and that they will support them should they wish to mount a takeover bid. It would be a far better endorsement of your fanbase than having John Westwood dressed in his clown suit on SSN shouting at potential investors to come and save you. I have heard more than one commentator recently make comment on the number of empty seats at FP - therefore as you can see, not only is it important, but others outside of the SO postcode do give a damn - perhaps it is time that your JCL did the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PES Posted 27 January, 2010 Share Posted 27 January, 2010 If you visit truebluearmy you will see that many many skates DO care about attendance. It's clear for all to see that we are the better supported club. Do you really think if the situations were reversed that we would be getting attendances as low as yours? Pathetic support. You should be ashamed and you should care because you should want to do something about it. What should be done about it? What can you do, seriously tell me what an individual, that attends themselves can do to make others shell out £35 for a ticket? It galls me that we could sell 60,000 tickets for Wembley Cup Final, 200,000 people turn out on the common and yet won't go regularly to Fratton park. What do you do? People are fickle, but it's not my place to go into work tomorrow and tell all the super Pompey fans that they're not fans because they don't go. I can only go myself.....Besides you'd not be being truthful if you failed to acknowledge that this malaise is affecting most unsuccessful clubs at the moment. I'll freely admit that Saints do have impressive attendances, but Norwich have impressed me even more, at the end of the day it means nothing to me as a Pompey fan..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PES Posted 27 January, 2010 Share Posted 27 January, 2010 Surely though attendances are paramount to you in your current predicament. I would imagine that money raised from your STH is long since gone - therefore your walk up support is the only gate monies coming into the club at the moment. I believe that you need all the funds you can get right now. It is actually more important though, that you show any potential investors that the fans are still behind the club, and that they will support them should they wish to mount a takeover bid. It would be a far better endorsement of your fanbase than having John Westwood dressed in his clown suit on SSN shouting at potential investors to come and save you. I have heard more than one commentator recently make comment on the number of empty seats at FP - therefore as you can see, not only is it important, but others outside of the SO postcode do give a damn - perhaps it is time that your JCL did the same. Like it or not 'most' fans now are customers. if the product is **** and the feel good factor isn't there many will not go. Put simply that is all it comes down to. I can't stand it and it is at odds with Pompey's 'Super' fans status, but it's just the way it is. Besides, only a fool believes all that superfan crap anyway, Stoke and Burnley are the Superfans now, as West Brom were before Pompey, it's all a load of old cods and I can't believe how many saints fans have got chips on their shoulders over it. :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 27 January, 2010 Share Posted 27 January, 2010 No-one outside of the SO postcode gives a damn about attendances. You only try to make a big thing about it because that's all you can shout about. No-one else cares........ quite right ... that's why none of your 'fans' bother to go to home games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 27 January, 2010 Share Posted 27 January, 2010 Like it or not 'most' fans now are customers. if the product is **** and the feel good factor isn't there many will not go. Put simply that is all it comes down to. I can't stand it and it is at odds with Pompey's 'Super' fans status, but it's just the way it is. Besides, only a fool believes all that superfan crap anyway, Stoke and Burnley are the Superfans now, as West Brom were before Pompey, it's all a load of old cods and I can't believe how many saints fans have got chips on their shoulders over it. :confused: No chips here PES - I would concede that your lot can make a hell of a noise and make FP pretty intimidating. That said, I think to a certain degree the likes of John Westwood do little to actually help the situation. Football has moved on - it is family orientated business - it has a brand. I have never met JW, but personally to me - he portrays an almost thuggish brand - one that we left in the 80's - he does nothing to promote your club. I may have got that wrong - but it is certainly my perception. I understand that fans are fickle - we have debated long and hard here during our own problems as to whether the fans are partially to blame for the downfall of the club. The JCL's stay away, Man U turn up for a cup game and SMS is full to the rafters again - thats fickle for you. It is a difficult situation, but a potential investor will look at the club like a business - how many customers do I have - how much will it generate. At the moment the business is patently not generating enough to run as a going concern, therefore it needs more regular customers. I understand what your saying about the product being crap - but the product will only get better if the income levels increase. If the worst of the worst happens, and you do get wound up and cease to exist (which I really don't think will happen - but a posibility) - how will those stay away fans feel then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 27 January, 2010 Share Posted 27 January, 2010 No-one outside of the SO postcode gives a damn about attendances. You only try to make a big thing about it because that's all you can shout about. No-one else cares........ Chuckle. You really should have been around in the 70s, 80s, 90s mush (that's the trouble with you JCLs) when 5 or 6000 gates weren't unusual at fartton and your lot used to bang on about how you once got 51,000 back in the black and white days (in a 58,000 capacity and thanks to your friends from Southampton (ask yer grandad) and thousands of locally based servicemen who were let in for free) and the "massive" crowds you'd get when you got back to the top-flight. We're now just giving it back to the bitter-blue-few but you don't want to play anymore cos there's no hiding place. How does it go... "**** ground, no fans...**** ground, no fans" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StD Posted 27 January, 2010 Share Posted 27 January, 2010 Yep, the player will still be the employee of the loaning club so will get paid by them. Pompey's problem isn't an issue in terms of loanee's wages but is not great for any player of the calibre to demand a decent loan fee! This is ironic as Storrie was unhappy over Stoke's James offer both in terms of % of wages and loan fee being offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PES Posted 27 January, 2010 Share Posted 27 January, 2010 (edited) Chuckle. You really should have been around in the 70s, 80s, 90s mush (that's the trouble with you JCLs) when 5 or 6000 gates weren't unusual at fartton and your lot used to bang on about how you once got 51,000 back in the black and white days (in a 58,000 capacity and thanks to your friends from Southampton (ask yer grandad) and thousands of locally based servicemen who were let in for free) and the "massive" crowds you'd get when you got back to the top-flight. We're now just giving it back to the bitter-blue-few but you don't want to play anymore cos there's no hiding place. How does it go... "**** ground, no fans...**** ground, no fans" That was nearly a good post Alehouse, relevant points (especially the grandad bit) but slowly faded to childish willy waving. I cant prove it either way, but the 'Free' entry to Sailors thing is not true. yes i'm sure some were let in free (There is not a football club that doesn't, my wifes a Southampton School teacher so don't get me started on the dishing out of free tickets!) but PFC was effectively set up AS a business on the back of the Navy, it would of been fairer if you'd of said Portsmouth has always taken advantage of a 'Captive' audience. Edited 27 January, 2010 by PES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PES Posted 27 January, 2010 Share Posted 27 January, 2010 No chips here PES - I would concede that your lot can make a hell of a noise and make FP pretty intimidating. That said, I think to a certain degree the likes of John Westwood do little to actually help the situation. Football has moved on - it is family orientated business - it has a brand. I have never met JW, but personally to me - he portrays an almost thuggish brand - one that we left in the 80's - he does nothing to promote your club. I may have got that wrong - but it is certainly my perception. I understand that fans are fickle - we have debated long and hard here during our own problems as to whether the fans are partially to blame for the downfall of the club. The JCL's stay away, Man U turn up for a cup game and SMS is full to the rafters again - thats fickle for you. It is a difficult situation, but a potential investor will look at the club like a business - how many customers do I have - how much will it generate. At the moment the business is patently not generating enough to run as a going concern, therefore it needs more regular customers. I understand what your saying about the product being crap - but the product will only get better if the income levels increase. If the worst of the worst happens, and you do get wound up and cease to exist (which I really don't think will happen - but a posibility) - how will those stay away fans feel then? Couldn't argue with much in that Micky. I have met Westwood and in fairness, he's a mixed bag (Personally not my cup of tea). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 27 January, 2010 Share Posted 27 January, 2010 Two points here I think PES. It was a genuine 6 pointer, which you would expect to sell out easily. Skates, before they came up, were always telling us about their fantastic support and how they would pack out a massive new stadium. I know money it tight for an awful lot of people and that there must be some serious disillusionment amongst home fans, but the crowd last night was appalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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