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Can someone educate Radio Solent about the points penalty, still saying it discretionary and for being in admin, when its for not paying CVA1 and can only be applied when they come out of admin and close the door on CVA1.

 

Think it was Blackmore getting the hump when AFCB fans were moaning about their points deductions , how can a responsible sports journalist be so far a drift of the truth FFS

 

If they get -10 then they have a club and the property developers their land!

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Can someone educate Radio Solent about the points penalty, still saying it discretionary and for being in admin, when its for not paying CVA1 and can only be applied when they come out of admin and close the door on CVA1.

 

Think it was Blackmore getting the hump when AFCB fans were moaning about their points deductions , how can a responsible sports journalist be so far a drift of the truth FFS

 

If they get -10 then they have a club and the property developers their land!

 

Most journos have failed to grasp the mere basics of the Pompey takeover saga down the years so expecting them to understand something as complex and mind blowing as what the latest (pending) -10 is for is somewhat futile I'm afraid.

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Maybe they should have turned to Guy and the kids a little sooner:

 

http://stats.football365.co.uk/dom/ENG/D2/oform.html

 

Mind you, Connolly seems to be making all the difference. Cracking player he is, when fit :)

 

I have to say fair play to Guy. He has made Pompey a competitive team without the help of Michael Appleton's requirement for cash to pay players. It makes Trevor Birch look very silly and one wonders what the CVA victims think about that.

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I have to say fair play to Guy. He has made Pompey a competitive team without the help of Michael Appleton's requirement for cash to pay players. It makes Trevor Birch look very silly and one wonders what the CVA victims think about that.

 

One would suggest that it is the addition of Agent Connolly that has made the real difference and one wonders how much they are paying him??

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They've played 42, so 4 games left. They have 38 points, so can get a maximum of 50 if they win the remaining four games.

 

Minus 10 points would give them 40 points, with Oldham - currently 5th from bottom and safe - currently on 41 points.

 

Whichever way you look at it, they'll be in league 2 next season, the only question is will they start on 0 or -10 :D

 

Are you absolutely sure that if they got enough points to be "safe", that the FL will apply the -10 THIS season, ie, to relegate them ??

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Are you absolutely sure that if they got enough points to be "safe", that the FL will apply the -10 THIS season, ie, to relegate them ??

 

If the football league deadline for them coming out of administration is the final whistle at their last game of the season then, yes, it will be applied this season...

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Are you absolutely sure that if they got enough points to be "safe", that the FL will apply the -10 THIS season, ie, to relegate them ??

Let me have a go Trousers.

 

The Football League issued the following statement on 7th February:

 

This means that in the event that the PST bid does not succeed and Portsmouth do not exit administration before the end of the current playing season, the club will lose its membership of The Football League.

 

So the answer to SR's question is no, the FL will not necessarily apply the -10 this season to relegate them if by some chance they do otherwise avoid the drop without. There are some options:

 

1. If they fail to exit administration before the final whistle blows in their last game of the season, they will be non-league next season

 

2. If they do manage to exit administration before the end of the current playing season, and somehow manage to accumulate enough points to avoid the drop, then 10 points will be deducted and they will (by mathematical certainty) be in League 2 next season with a clean slate

 

3. If they do manage to exit administration before the end of the current playing season, and fail to accumulate enough points to avoid the drop, then they will be in League 2 next season, and may either start with a clean slate or with -10 points, at the discretion of the FL board.

 

So to summarise, they will definitely not be in League 1 next season under any circumstances, but it's still not clear where they will be.

 

 

Go get some popcorn and pull up a chair and join us.

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Let me have a go Trousers.

 

The Football League issued the following statement on 7th February:

 

 

 

So the answer to SR's question is no, the FL will not necessarily apply the -10 this season to relegate them if by some chance they do otherwise avoid the drop without. There are some options:

 

1. If they fail to exit administration before the final whistle blows in their last game of the season, they will be non-league next season

 

2. If they do manage to exit administration before the end of the current playing season, and somehow manage to accumulate enough points to avoid the drop, then 10 points will be deducted and they will (by mathematical certainty) be in League 2 next season with a clean slate

 

3. If they do manage to exit administration before the end of the current playing season, and fail to accumulate enough points to avoid the drop, then they will be in League 2 next season, and may either start with a clean slate or with -10 points, at the discretion of the FL board.

 

So to summarise, they will definitely not be in League 1 next season under any circumstances, but it's still not clear where they will be.

 

 

Go get some popcorn and pull up a chair and join us.

surely the wording if the PST does not suceed.... leaves it all open.
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surely the wording if the PST does not suceed.... leaves it all open.

I don't think so, not if you read the whole statement. In context, they were saying that PST is the only bid capable of consideration in the timescale.

 

Other conspiratorial interpretations, such as they do exit admin but PST don't take them over, or that they do not exit admin but the PST bid does take them over, don't fit with the intent of the whole statement.

 

I'm not suggesting that the FL are right, just quoting what they have said on the record.

 

FWIW I think the FL will consider other buyers if the PST fail in Court. I don't think they will have a choice. But I think they will stick to their principle that if it isn't done and dusted before the end of the current playing season then they will kick them out of the league. I think Orville's bid could meet that deadline, provided he is "approved" the day they lose in Court. If the PST want to spend a couple of weeks hunting round for another Skate-supporting property developer to add to their kitty then they're dead.

 

I don't think any of that changes my earlier answer about where they will play next year. It won't be in League 1, whoever ends up owning them.

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"@premierleague: Congratualtions to @officialpompey for being named Kickz Club of the Year at the #KickzAwards!"

 

Wonder if southsea common will be full of the faithful to welcome the Kickz Club of the Year award home?

Kickz is an inclusion project that aims to create safer and stronger communities in targeted areas of high youth crime and anti-social behaviour identified by the Police.

 

:lol:

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Kickz began as a pilot project in London between the Premier League and the Metropolitan Police in 2006, with the aim of using football to bring communities together and engage with young people.

 

Portsmouth

 

The club have been involved in the Kickz scheme since 2007 and the project has been highlighted by Hampshire Police as part of their crime control strategy for the town. 2012 has been a successful year both on and off the pitch as the youngsters have excelled in a variety of activities.

 

Together with Southampton and Brighton Kickz programmes, Portsmouth hosted an under-14 six-a-side Fair Play Tournament to build stronger relationships between the clubs. The event included tennis taster sessions for the people taking part. There was also an under-18s match at Southampton Kickz with the players attending an alcohol awareness workshop as part of the event while there was a tournament for men aged 15-19 that involved local police and fire and rescue staff.

 

The project offers the chance to earn a host of qualifications such as first aid, boxing and tennis while 14 regular participants took part in the National Citizen Service programme and 29 young people attended a Network Rail course to highlight the dangers of the railways.

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It would seem someone is masquerading as Kanu on Twitter saying that he has written off the money he was owed...

 

@pn_neil_allen: Looks like @N****woK1976 is a fake account according to journos @oluwashina and @ToyinIbitoye. Guess those #Pompey claims can be ignored.

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Gemmel

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In pure footballing terms, they will serve as both judge and jury.

A line-up of eight men convening to rule where Pompey will be playing football the following season – and at what points cost.

All eyes will be on the High Court hearing between PKF and Portpin to set the valuation of Fratton Park on April 10 or 11.

If the figure is satisfactory to the Portsmouth Supporters’ Trust, the club can come out of administration with new owners at the helm.

Then it will be down to the Football League board, headed by chairman Greg Clarke, to pass their own judgement.

At the top of the Pompey agenda will be granting membership, that so-called ‘golden share’ which will permit the Blues to remain in League football.

If the club are out of administration, that represents a formality. League chiefs satisfied with the Trust and its business plan.

What isn’t so straightforward is the issue of a points deduction – a threat which has lay on record since July 12, 2012.

Way back then it was anticipated to be enforced during the 2012-13 campaign – yet nobody expected the Blues to still be in administration now.

The fear is this could be carried over until next season, particularly if Pompey have already been relegated.

The decision will rest entirely with the Football League board – and after that April court hearing.

The League have refused to comment when that will be, although usually a scheduled meeting is held once a month.

Hopefully it will be long before the Football League AGM on June 6.

Those men with the power consist of Clarke, six club directors and independent non-executive director Richard Bowker.

The League’s executive will deliver their recommendations – then it is down to the octet to determine when the points deduction will be issued.

Bowker is a transport business specialist who made the shortlist to become the Football Association boss in 2005.

The six club directors are divisional representatives elected by member clubs, with three from the Championship, two from League One and one from League Two.

They include Jeff Mostyn, an ex-Bournemouth chairman and current vice chairman of Pompey’s south coast rivals. A well-respected figure in the game, he was last year elected to the FA Council as a representative of the Football League.

Then there is Crystal Palace chief executive Phil Alexander, a former player with Norwich who later turned to American Football, representing the London Monarchs.

Tony Kleanthous is the Barnet chief and the youngest chairman to enter the League when he bought the club in 1994.

John Nixon is Carlisle’s managing director and former managing director of Pirelli Tyres.

Keith Lamb is a former Middlesbrough chief executive who stepped down from the role in 2011 but has remained in the position of non-executive director to Steve Gibson.

Finally, Shaun Harvey is the long-serving chief executive of Leeds and a former managing director of Bradford City.

Not forgetting Clarke, of course, chairman of the Football League since March 2010 and a Leicester City season-ticket holder.

As ever, the Pompey situation is groundbreaking, with no definitive legislation to consult.

According to rule 12.3.3 of the Football League handbook, should a club be ‘subject to or suffers an Insolvency Event, or the Board impose a deduction’ before 5pm on the fourth Thursday in March it will come off that season.

That would be March 28 – missing that would signal a points deduction the following year.

However, that ‘insolvency event’ applies to entering administration and the League have confirmed to The News that does not apply here.

Pompey’s punishment actually centres on an unsatisfactory CVA first time around.

Therefore, it is entirely at the board’s discretion over the application of that points deduction.

They are also under pressure to serve the 71 other Football League clubs, of which few have any sympathy for Pompey and their continued plight.

There is little goodwill among their rivals and punishment is demanded.

Whether the Blues being deducted points, having already been relegated, qualifies as being disciplined is debatable.

Certainly many would disagree and demand them carried over into what is appearing to be League Two football next year.

Of course, that Football League board meeting may instead centre on throwing Pompey out.

That hinges on whether the club have come out of administration before the season’s end, an ambiguous date the League will not clarify at present.

It’s a scenario the Blue Square Bet Conference have already looked at and I understand they would willingly take on Pompey.

Before then games in the High Court must be played out in a hearing scheduled for two days.

In addition, the judge will be able to take the weekend to come to his conclusion.

The ‘longstop’ date of April 19 is set in stone and the case must be decided by then.

Should there be a dispute over the judgment, it is down to the judge during his delivery of the verdict to stress whether an appeal can be made.

Regardless of the outcome, the Football League will be next in line to dictate Pompey’s future.

And it will be in the hands of those eight men on one board.

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If the figure is satisfactory to the Portsmouth Supporters’ Trust, the club can come out of administration with new owners at the helm.

 

Err, doesn't it have to be satisfactory to Portpin as well?

 

Gawd, I need to do some revision on this thread...

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No it doesn't. "If the figure is satisfactory to the Portsmouth Supporters’ Trust" is a euphemism for "if they can afford it."

 

What are the odds on another emergency meeting of the Portsmouth City Council the following week?

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Not strictly football but how much did they say Portsmouth FC brings into the local economy each year? £200m?

Game of Thrones: Fourth series will be filmed in NI

 

"The success of Game of Thrones shows our commitment to leave no stone unturned when seeking to secure such international productions. We travelled to Los Angeles to press the case for the Northern Ireland film industry and to encourage HBO to return to film their fourth series.

 

"We have seen the economic impact of an estimated £65m across the three seasons and we want to grow our local film industry to attract more international projects of this scale."

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-22010843

 

Are they saying the bestest bring in more money a year than a massive HBO TV Series filmed over three? :lol:

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Not strictly football but how much did they say Portsmouth FC brings into the local economy each year? £200m?

Game of Thrones: Fourth series will be filmed in NI

 

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-22010843

 

Are they saying the bestest bring in more money a year than a massive HBO TV Series filmed over three? :lol:

have you noticed that the UK economy has been in recession for the last 3 years? all coincides with Pompey not having the money put into the economy lol
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http://frattonfaithfulblog.wordpress.com/2013/04/03/exclusive-ricardo-rocha-interview/

 

Rocha: Pompey is a community inside a club, is like a religion!! The fans are amazing when we play home and away, you always know they will always be there giving their support, travelling everywhere just to see their club playing. They don´t ask for wins, for points or a lot of goals, they ask for commitment, they ask for the players to give everything for the club and for the shirt they are wearing.

When I first arrived to the club I was so unlucky to get 2 red cards in 3 games and I thought, the fans won´t like me and the time I´ll spend here will be difficult but it was the opposite. All the support I got from everyone after that difficult period was everything to me and I just did my best to show that appreciation in the pitch.

My tears at the final whistle in the FA Cup Final was not just because I lost the opportunity to win another trophy but the opportunity we lost to give the fans something for them to be happy and cheerful for after the relegation and all the problems surrounding the club. I believe this club will rise again, I want and wish that this club within a few years will be back where they belong, the Premier League!

 

I haven't used one of these for a while... :facepalm:

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Given its the 4th today, when will we know if the Court Hearing is the 10th or 11th? seems strange no firm date has been set; are they waiting for the judge to come back off holiday and his flight is uncertain or something?? My reading is that its a low priority case, expected to be heard swiftly, so its down the pecking order. No real legal precedents, PST beware...

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Given its the 4th today, when will we know if the Court Hearing is the 10th or 11th? seems strange no firm date has been set; are they waiting for the judge to come back off holiday and his flight is uncertain or something?? My reading is that its a low priority case, expected to be heard swiftly, so its down the pecking order. No real legal precedents, PST beware...

 

I'm betting it will be on the 10th. It's the date Oblivion gets released

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1483013/

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Given its the 4th today, when will we know if the Court Hearing is the 10th or 11th? seems strange no firm date has been set; are they waiting for the judge to come back off holiday and his flight is uncertain or something?? My reading is that its a low priority case, expected to be heard swiftly, so its down the pecking order. No real legal precedents, PST beware...

 

I thought it had been set?

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Given its the 4th today, when will we know if the Court Hearing is the 10th or 11th? seems strange no firm date has been set; are they waiting for the judge to come back off holiday and his flight is uncertain or something?? My reading is that its a low priority case, expected to be heard swiftly, so its down the pecking order. No real legal precedents, PST beware...

 

At worst it's a week away now. My guessing is very little news till the middle of nex week, followed by a sh1storm o e way or the other.

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It's toooooooooo quiet. Something's up.

 

Given its the 4th today, when will we know if the Court Hearing is the 10th or 11th? seems strange no firm date has been set...

 

It all points to some behind the scenes deal being struck between the PDT, PKF and Chainrai IMO. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the court case never happens.

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It all points to some behind the scenes deal being struck between the PDT, PKF and Chainrai IMO. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the court case never happens.

 

I'm confused. I thought it has been known for ages when the court case is. Besides portpin have to have the court case since they want to sue pkf. If they do a deal then it will weaken that case.

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I'm confused. I thought it has been known for ages when the court case is. Besides portpin have to have the court case since they want to sue pkf. If they do a deal then it will weaken that case.

 

Just a wild guess from me based on a hunch. Whatever the outcome it should still provide enough entertainment next season.

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Just a wild guess from me based on a hunch. Whatever the outcome it should still provide enough entertainment next season.

Indeed. I'm pretty sure it will go to court though and I'm also pretty sure that the PDT will win. I'm looking forward to the triumphant rhetoric about being a beacon in a dark English footballing world and trailblazing a new path for the world of football to follow. This will most likely result in promotion to league one quite quickly and possibly even promotion to the NPC. It is here that they will be stuck as a yoyo club IMO since they will not be able to compete financially. It is here that the novelty will wear off for many and they will get modest crowds before settling down for a long period in league one. Beautiful :)

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It all points to some behind the scenes deal being struck between the PDT, PKF and Chainrai IMO. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the court case never happens.

 

Whilst I think that pst will now ultimately take control, I don't think Chinny is in the mood for doing a deal - Unless the pst offer an extra 2 million to deal ahead of the court case. I am also sure there is another twist yet to come. What if pkf win the court case and then chinny appeals? What if Chinny sues pkf? As per where I started, the end game is nigh, but this old girl, has a couple more laughs for us yet.

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Whilst I think that pst will now ultimately take control, I don't think Chinny is in the mood for doing a deal - Unless the pst offer an extra 2 million to deal ahead of the court case. I am also sure there is another twist yet to come. What if pkf win the court case and then chinny appeals? What if Chinny sues pkf? As per where I started, the end game is nigh, but this old girl, has a couple more laughs for us yet.

 

Who?

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Whilst I think that pst will now ultimately take control, I don't think Chinny is in the mood for doing a deal - Unless the pst offer an extra 2 million to deal ahead of the court case. I am also sure there is another twist yet to come. What if pkf win the court case and then chinny appeals? What if Chinny sues pkf? As per where I started, the end game is nigh, but this old girl, has a couple more laughs for us yet.

 

 

I doubt Chinny will be allowed to appeal as there has to be grounds to appeal. He probably will sue PKF but it won't affect the PDT.

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