Pompey Takeover Saga

[Ken Tone]

Correct, but there seems to be a discrepancy around when one season ends and another one starts. There is evidently an FL rule that states a season ends at the final whistle of the final match, ( end of April / beginning of May ), yet the new season doesn't seem to start until July 1st, ( as evidenced in the Stockport case ). I assume this gap between dates defines the 'close season'. It seems that as the Pompey case is a special circumstance, the FL are creating a new interpretation of how to enforce their rules, and the reality is that Portsmouth cannot exit this season in admin, rather than not entering the next.

 

the FL are creating a new interpretation of how to enforce their rules, and the reality is that Portsmouth cannot exit this season in admin, rather than not entering the next.

 

 

Indeed. That is why the end of season date is 'interesting'. Whilst Whitey Grandad is quite corect about the FL rules simply saying they cannot start a second season in admin, the press a few weeks back quoted the FL as having told PFC that they must come out of admin by the end of this season.

 

This apparently fine semantic point could make quite a big difference.

[hypochondriac]

the FL are creating a new interpretation of how to enforce their rules, and the reality is that Portsmouth cannot exit this season in admin, rather than not entering the next.

 

 

Indeed. That is why the end of season date is 'interesting'. Whilst Whitey Grandad is quite corect about the FL rules simply saying they cannot start a second season in admin, the press a few weeks back quoted the FL as having told PFC that they must come out of admin by the end of this season.

 

This apparently fine semantic point could make quite a big difference.

 

I'm pretty sure in a statement they mentioned can't still be in administration in June.

[sidthesquid]

the FL are creating a new interpretation of how to enforce their rules, and the reality is that Portsmouth cannot exit this season in admin, rather than not entering the next.

 

 

Indeed. That is why the end of season date is 'interesting'. Whilst Whitey Grandad is quite corect about the FL rules simply saying they cannot start a second season in admin, the press a few weeks back quoted the FL as having told PFC that they must come out of admin by the end of this season.

 

This apparently fine semantic point could make quite a big difference.

 

I certainly does when they can't even begin the processs till after a court case on 10th April. Trying to get anything involving lawyers to move at the required pace will be a huge achievement in itself, never mind appeals and all the rest.

[Weston Super Saint]

I certainly does when they can't even begin the processs till after a court case on 10th April. Trying to get anything involving lawyers to move at the required pace will be a huge achievement in itself, never mind appeals and all the rest.

 

You seem to be forgetting the Trust's catchphrase "the bid is fully funded and READY TO GO".

 

I therefore assume that by the 12th of April the trust will own the club as all the rubber stamping will have been concluded.

 

There is nothing else that can possibly hold them up after the court case is flung out of court and the big rusty key to nottarf is handed over.

[70's Mike]

You seem to be forgetting the Trust's catchphrase "the bid is fully funded and READY TO GO".

 

I therefore assume that by the 12th of April the trust will own the club as all the rubber stamping will have been concluded.

 

There is nothing else that can possibly hold them up after the court case is flung out of court and the big rusty key to nottarf is handed over.

 

and the real fun will start. wonder how many local skate businesses will give them credit

[The9]

IMHO, the FL will apply it even if they are doomed to Relegation, and that will mean they would start with NO deduction in Div 2

 

No punishment at all for the Football Leagues precious Portsmouth FC

 

To be fair, you have just chosen to completely ignore all of the logical reasons that "no punishment for Portsmouth" can't happen in order to pursue some totally imaginary agenda, but if that's what you want to believe...

[Chez]

You seem to be forgetting the Trust's catchphrase "the bid is fully funded and READY TO GO".

 

I therefore assume that by the 12th of April the trust will own the club as all the rubber stamping will have been concluded.

 

There is nothing else that can possibly hold them up after the court case is flung out of court and the big rusty key to nottarf is handed over.

 

They did announce some sort of contracts exchanged, so if the price is right I actually can't see any reason why they won't come on down. And good for them.

[dubai_phil]

Chinny will run home with his tail between his legs and millions lost IF he loses the Court case and won't appeal at all, no sireee.

 

The PDT will run the club in the name of the fans.

 

The Property Developers have the clubs best interests at heart.

 

I will have a 4 some with Katie Price, Megan Fox & Lucy Pinder on my Stag Weekend and Hello Magazine will pay me $1,000,000 for my story and pictures of the event.

 

Tbh I think I have more chance of the last one happening than any of the others

[Chez]

Indeed. [/i][/b][/u]That is why the end of season date is 'interesting'.

surely one season ends the day before the other starts? Some day in June isn't it?

[Chez]

Chinny will run home with his tail between his legs and millions lost IF he loses the Court case and won't appeal at all, no sireee.

 

will he have any right to appeal? How long before an appeal could be heard?

[Jonnyboy]

Wonder if Harris and Co will start sniffing around Coventry now?

 

Would be funny if they bought them and they went on to be a big success.

[badgerx16]

surely one season ends the day before the other starts? Some day in June isn't it?

 

That would be too obvious....

 

Correct, but there seems to be a discrepancy around when one season ends and another one starts. There is evidently an FL rule that states a season ends at the final whistle of the final match, ( end of April / beginning of May ), yet the new season doesn't seem to start until July 1st, ( as evidenced in the Stockport case ). I assume this gap between dates defines the 'close season'. It seems that as the Pompey case is a special circumstance, the FL are creating a new interpretation of how to enforce their rules, and the reality is that Portsmouth cannot exit this season in admin, rather than not entering the next.

[hutch]

Has this thread picked up a dose of Swedish Dave?

[SaintRichmond]

To be fair, you have just chosen to completely ignore all of the logical reasons that "no punishment for Portsmouth" can't happen in order to pursue some totally imaginary agenda, but if that's what you want to believe...

 

The imaginary agenda you refer to is simply that I genuinely believe that when push comes to shove, the Football League will continue to bend over backwards to help their precious PFC

 

wish I could run a business that runs up over £150 MILLION of debt, have it virtually wiped off, and STILL be allowed to trade

[rallyboy]

Paul Hardyman explains how their 'academy', once declared in a portsmyth, as the envy of all other clubs, is in limbo at the mo.

But we cannot make decisions until we get a budget from any new owners.

 

 

The Trust is the sole preferred bidder, they have exclusivity to complete, they have full and realistic income projections, and they are fully funded.

I can't see how anything could possibly go wrong.

 

So why can't they give the academy their budget for next season?

The court case shouldn't change anything, that is merely a nailed-on rubber-stamping exercise, and the bid is fully-funded.

 

So why the delay in giving internal departments their budgets?

Perhaps they are reluctant to offer contracts that they can't afford to pay?

 

Yes, that'll be it - pompey are traditionally cautious when it comes to investment, especially on wages.

[Whitey Grandad]

surely one season ends the day before the other starts? Some day in June isn't it?

Whichever, the Football League will want assurances that any team entering the competition for next season will be able to complete their fixtures.

[hutch]

Whichever, the Football League will want assurances that any team entering the competition for next season will be able to complete their fixtures.

I think it's more a case of wanting to let every club know what league they will be playing in next season at the start of the close season rather than halfway through it.

[holepuncture]

Paul Hardyman explains how their 'academy', once declared in a portsmyth, as the envy of all other clubs, is in limbo at the mo.

But we cannot make decisions until we get a budget from any new owners.

 

 

The Trust is the sole preferred bidder, they have exclusivity to complete, they have full and realistic income projections, and they are fully funded.

I can't see how anything could possibly go wrong.

 

So why can't they give the academy their budget for next season?

The court case shouldn't change anything, that is merely a nailed-on rubber-stamping exercise, and the bid is fully-funded.

 

So why the delay in giving internal departments their budgets?

Perhaps they are reluctant to offer contracts that they can't afford to pay?

 

Yes, that'll be it - pompey are traditionally cautious when it comes to investment, especially on wages.

 

Calm down dear...

 

the answer is straightforward and codified in the robust & fully funded business plan (although not published), there is no budget for the academy, the whole farce is to be funded entirely by sponsors and local business... in exactly they same way so many of the first class academies have been operating for years...

 

SHALALA

[Marsdinho]

Can one of the nutjobs on here do me a favour and sum up in a few sentences what has been going on down in Pompey. I've been in a world of my own these last couple of weeks and have not kept up with developments.

 

Cheers

[fanimal]

Not a great deal Marsdeninho - Coventry now deducted 10 points, seems unfair when compared to the Skates!!

[SaintRichmond]

Not a great deal Marsdeninho - Coventry now deducted 10 points, seems unfair when compared to the Skates!![/QUOTE]

 

I could not agree more ............ so, exactly what is the difference that the FL have NOT already deucted the Cheats 10 points ??

[hypochondriac]

Not a great deal Marsdeninho - Coventry now deducted 10 points, seems unfair when compared to the Skates!![/QUOTE]

 

I could not agree more ............ so, exactly what is the difference that the FL have NOT already deucted the Cheats 10 points ??

 

It's not unfair at all. The skates have not come out of admin yet so could technically still pay their old cva in full if they wanted to.

[Gingeletiss]

Not a great deal Marsdeninho - Coventry now deducted 10 points, seems unfair when compared to the Skates!![/QUOTE]

 

I could not agree more ............ so, exactly what is the difference that the FL have NOT already deucted the Cheats 10 points ??

 

If you can't answer your own question, then you have not been paying attention in class, maybe a week of homework will help you get the required grades!!

[Waterside.saint]

 

It's not unfair at all. The skates have not come out of admin yet so could technically still pay their old cva in full if they wanted to.

 

[rallyboy]

so have pompey been punished twice for the same offence?

Doesn't seem very fair.

Maybe they will get those points back and stay up - and football will be the winner.

And what's admin again?

[JackFrost]

The imaginary agenda you refer to is simply that I genuinely believe that when push comes to shove, the Football League will continue to bend over backwards to help their precious PFC

 

wish I could run a business that runs up over £150 MILLION of debt, have it virtually wiped off, and STILL be allowed to trade

 

But they didn't rack up that debt whilst playing in the FL.

 

They racked that up in the PL and got a 9 point deduction, were then relegated and then racked up even more debt in the FL. Hence why they got another points deduction from the FL in February 2012, who have since reiterated they will get another one when they come out of admin.

 

They've been treated no more leniently than any other club apart from the FL's peculiar stance on having a lesser punishment for agreeing to a CVA and not honouring it, than not agreeing to a CVA in the first place, which could have applied to any club.

 

Like The9 says, your agenda is totally imaginary.

[trousers]

@SiCamHd: King Edwards school fees to rise by nearly £1000/year to cover loss from Pompeys withdrawal from the training ground #pfc #portsmouthfc

[Lazlo78]

@SiCamHd: King Edwards school fees to rise by nearly £1000/year to cover loss from Pompeys withdrawal from the training ground #pfc #portsmouthfc

 

What loss? They probably never paid for the training ground...

[Pugwash]

@SiCamHd: King Edwards school fees to rise by nearly £1000/year to cover loss from Pompeys non-payment of rent for the training ground #pfc #portsmouthfc

 

Corrected for you...

[Waterside.saint]

@SiCamHd: King Edwards school fees to rise by nearly £1000/year to cover loss from Pompeys withdrawal from the training ground #pfc #portsmouthfc

 

What loss? They probably never paid for the training ground...

 

Corrected for you...

 

I'm astonished that King Edwards school let their Pompey Dream die, that must have been a real dilemma, 'Hmmm, we can either allow ourselves to be shafted for ever & a day by the bestest or raise the fees, what to do, what to do?'

[Joesaint]

I'm astonished that King Edwards school let their Pompey Dream die, that must have been a real dilemma, 'Hmmm, we can either allow ourselves to be shafted for ever & a day by the bestest or raise the fees, what to do, what to do?'

 

King Edwards school is considered a charity, I though funds were rased to pay them back, shame on them.

[vindaloo73]

Somehow I think this guy and the cheating Cvunts would be perfect together.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2300644/Former-Dundee-FC-director-Giovanni-Di-Stefano-jailed-14-years-fraud.html

[Crab Lungs]

Call me Mr Boring, but I decided to take a look at how we rated against the bestest fans in the whole wide world TM in the eyes of opposition supporters... ladies and gents, these are impartial views from visiting fans over the past 2-3 years. No undercover scummahs - this should once again, prove yet another PortsMYTH to be false.

 

Enjoy;

 

On St Mary's and the faaaaaaaaaaaaaackin' scummah support

 

Went to St Mary’s for the first time on August 7th and can’t say much wrong. Ground is of Premiership standard and food and drink service is of top quality. The two sets of fans are very close together which gives a great atmosphere to the ground, and view of play can’t be faulted, stewards seem to only intervene when necersarry and home fans seem friendly and relaxed outside the ground. Only bad point is getting into the ground by coach is very slow and top and start with alot of traffic lights. Overall a well worthwhile trip !

 

Not an enjoyable day out whatsoever. I found the home fans very intimidating standin right next to us in the northam end. We were constantly barraged by with missiles which the police failed to deal with and the Southampton fans in the Northam end prvovided an extremely loud and intimidating atmosphere. Outside the ground we were confronted by home fans and my friend took a punch to the face. I would advise club colours are kept covered.

 

Comments from a Skate;

 

I have to give my honest views, so here goes.

 

I decided to take the coach having my 7 year old in attendace with me. Wise choice. After arriving in the car park we were greeted by about 200 friendly welcoming home fans!!!!!!!!! They were so hospitable that they showered us with coins which was gladly collected by my son. The chap next to me was not so lucky as he had blood coming from his eye.

The policing and stewarding outside was awful being this was a game with potential trouble written all over it. This was an FA Cup game.

 

Once inside I was impressed with the facilities albeit some idiot set light to one of the toilet cubicles. Inside the ground looked like the usual 1990s plastic lego built stadia with nothing unique about it.

The view was excellent and the stewarding and policing was first class. I was sat next to the netting next to the home fans. We were bombarded throughout with coins, bottles of coke and fireworks.

Yes it was intimidating, but the atmosphere was electrifying, deafning and back tingling. Southmpton really got behind their team and should have won the game.

 

Getting away took about half an hour because about 500 fans clashed outside and a garage was wrecked.

When the coach was finally allowed to leave the car park, the scene reminded me of Beirut. Smashed up cars,, windows smashed.

 

The journey out of the city was easy with the locals giving us the usual CHEERIO signs. Would I go again? Wouldn’t miss it for the world.

 

Can’t comment on pubs because away fans were banned from all and it was a midday kick off. A friend took the train and described the walk to the ground as “running the gauntlet”.

 

Brilliant day out.

 

Only been to St Marys once at the begining of last season. Used to love The Dell so was interested to see if St Marys could live up to it.

We stayed in The Jurys Inn which is on the edge of the city centre and not too far from the ground. We were advised not to drink in The King Alfred or Chapel arms before the game so went to a Wetherspoons called The Giddy Bridge. Thats about a 15 minute walk to the ground and had plenty of home and away fans. As always, the Saints fans are a good bunch. Got chatting to them about various aspects of our respective clubs and were advised where to go in the evening for a night out.

Into the ground itself. From the outside looks nice and modern but could do with a clean. Inside there is a large concourse area where you can buy alcohol and a range of hot and cold food. Inside the ‘bowl’ it looks very similar to grounds like Leicester and Derby. Theres not a bad seat in the house and the stewards seem friendly.

We were sat right next to the home fans in the Northam, and they know how to make noise. It seems the whole stadium gets behind the team even when they were losing. Made for a cracking atmosphere.

No trouble after the game and fans mixed well.

In the evening we went into town. We were advised to go to Bedfords Place where there were more bars than you had time to go in. Seemed nice and relaxed and made for a good trip. Will be back again if we ever get the chance.

 

Been to St Marys 3 times.

I can recommend the P&R TO the ground works very well & its handy for the Tescos.

Vocal fans once inside the stadium & a noisy, hostile atmosphere between the two sets of fans.

Fair prices for pie & a pint and you have the opportunity to place a bet in the away end.

 

In interest of fairness, here's a (non too credible) account from a Villa fan;

 

I got stabbed in the ground after a saints fan flew over the netting and we lost 4v1 and with my wound the stewards man handled me and escorted me out walking me across the front of their northam stand (kop) where I suffers a lot of abuse walking across in front of the fans they hurled objects at me! The Southampton general was nice though an over villa fans say the only trouble was in the ground when ever a goal was scored due to poor stewards!

 

On Fratton Park and the bestest in the world TM

 

we went to the good capanion pub abou 1000 yards from ground and it was great atmoshere and very safe for away fans before and after the game. Food was good and the real ale.

Land lord and land lady made us feel really welcome and was a relaxed feeling.

The ground itself is poor in facilities I have to say, the support from Portsmouth was poor, and was dated.

 

Overall fairly good experience but I’d agree that the ‘famous’ pompey atmosphere was sadly lacking!. West Ham fans sang our hearts out the whole game, created a great atmsophere but the Pompey lot seemed defleated and were quiet all game except the odd PUP.

 

I went to fratton park last season with the bluebirds, have to say it beats all these new plastic grounds, cant beat the old school fratton ground, good atmosphere inside the ground, both teams getting behind their clubs. The food available is very basic in the ground, your usual pies.burgers, hot dogs. I would recommened a steak and kidney pie, very tasty!

Outside the ground unfortunately was a little less of a great experience, there were numerous reports throughout the afternoon about innocent bluebird fans getting attacked by portsmouth fans, so my advise would be to cover up colours if your club falls under a more high profile game.

 

Here's one of the best ones ....

 

Been to Fratton Park a few times over the years. I like old school grounds as much as the next person, but this place is a tip.

The toilet facilities are next to non exsistant so people were just releaving themselves against walls and in bottles. No point trying to get refreshments as they wont sell you beer and anything they do have is sold out before half time anyway.

There seems to be some sort of reputation that their fans produce an amazing atmosphere. I have to say, I wasn’t impressed. They dont seem to get behind the team that much, and when they do its either half hearted ‘play up pompy’ or songs without words. Not to mention the constant ringing of that bell and random beating of a drum.

I have to say, the recent addition of a roof is a major step forward for the away end.

Outside the football I’ve stayed in the city centre to make a weekend of it. There doesn’t seem to be too much going on around there in terms of nightlife, and it does seem very on edge that it will kick off at any moment. On my most recent visit we decided to stay in Southampton and go out there for the weekend. Much more pleasant experience with a lot more to offer.

 

Overall, I’ve seen better grounds since we’ve been in league 2.

 

and in the interest of fairness, a positive experience;

 

Went to Fratton Park for a friendly this summer.went down by train 5 min walk to the ground from the station.Inside the ground,well what can i say nice ground a bit oldschool but the facilities are s**t,one little food counter between 3000 fans doesnt work toilets are alright if you get there early like any ground really.the atmosphere is good they have drums,bells and trumpets going throughout the whole game just no singing.the chelsea fans where singing through the whole game and there was only one or two play up pomeys and thats it.all in all a good away day.

 

Well, kind of... anyway, I digress...;

 

I loved my trip to Fratton Park – it’s what I would call a “proper football stadium”, with individual stands and real character. With 3,000 of us packed into the away end, we were able to create a cracking atmosphere that sadly wasn’t matched by the home faithful – I’d come expecting a legendary home support, and was a little surprised they didn’t get behind their team more.

 

Facilities are pretty much non-existent – I left for the toilet at the stroke of the half-time whistle, and returned 10 minutes into the second half after queuing with around 800 people to get into the 3 urinals that just overflowed and ran down the hill!

 

We were staying in Southampton (at the Novotel Southampton), and caught the train into Fratton, which is around a 5 minute walk from the ground. We had a meal at the Good Companion after the game, where we were able to mingle and chat with the home fans quite comfortably, before grabbing a later train back to Southampton, beating the queues.

Edited 29 March, 2013 by Crab Lungs

[Crab Lungs]

Oh, and btw... these findings are completely unbiased and can be viewed, as evidence here;

[Trader]

Swindon 0 - 1 Oldham

 

C'mon Oldham!

 

Lee Barnard!! haha

[pedg]

Swindon 0 - 1 Oldham

 

C'mon Oldham!

 

Scunny leading 2-1 as well.

[Trader]

Swindon equalise.

 

What a b*mmer

[Waterside.saint]

Swindon equalise.

 

What a b*mmer

 

Hopefully Agent Barnard has enough energy left for another goal, right at the end of injury time for best psychological impact

[Waterside.saint]

Hopefully Agent Barnard has enough energy left for another goal, right at the end of injury time for best psychological impact

 

Agent Barnard substituted. B*mmer

[Waterside.saint]

Scunny leading 2-1 as well.

 

S****horpe won which has left the skates needing two more points to beat the drop than they would have before today

result

[Pamplemousse]

Odd that the skates' game at Preston kicks off at 5pm, any confirmation that the game was delayed to allow the hordes of away fans travelling up the M6 to get to Deepdale on time?

[The Kraken]

So Pompey now need to win every one of their last 6 games to have any chance of staying up if the minus ten gets applied this season. Small potatoes, of course. Its minus ten next year that we're all hoping for. They currently are 7 points from the safety point, but they do have a better GD. Oldham are one place above them and still in the relegation zone but are 6 points ahead and have 2 games in hand.

[The9]

Well whatever the reason for the late start, the fookers are 1-0 up already.

[The9]

To be fair, at least Whittingham seems to realise what they need to do : http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21954225 . This was posted a couple of days ago but I haven't seen any discussion about it here. It is of course massively ironic that they're now trumpeting the success of their "academy" when the team is in the bottom 4 of the third tier, and they did everything within their power for years on end to not field these kind of players, who with a bit more experience might have started to turn them around a long time ago.

 

I think if they get through the summer they'll probably bottom out then and start to recover in Div 4 next season - let's face it, if Lee Molyneux is becoming some kind of goalscoring hero for Accrington then it doesn't take much, and they will, finally, actually be a relatively big club at that level even with all the FL restrictions.

 

So let's enjoy this, because once they start getting into positive points figures next season they'll be trying to make their way back - and in 10 years' time they might even make it back to the Championship...

[Kingsland Red]

It would seem we need agent Lee Holmes to strike.

Good to know we have plenty of ex-Saints scattered across the leagues to ambush them, after our huge turn over of players during the "lower league days"

[Saint Lindford]

1-1 Get in come on Preston

[Joe Kirkup]

If it stays like this they are down - no way back

WTFILN

[Matthew Le God]

The sooner it happens, the more likely the -10 will be applied next season.

Edited 29 March, 2013 by Matthew Le God

[Gemmel]

Well I make that relegation now.

 

The sha la la at fratton park was the lowest point of my footballing life. 5 years later, we own the song, the South Coast is Ours and arsehole of hampshire is one step away from non league football.

 

It's a beautiful thing.

[bpsaint]

Following on from a previous post of mine 50 points is on average the number needed for safety, therefore they need to win all 5 of their last 5 games.

 

shalalalalalalala......