saint1977 Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 So here's a question... We know about Saints' own rise up the leagues in years gone by, and the likes of Watford and Wimbledon did it quite impressively too... but what's the quickest a team has been relegated down the leagues? Not expelled or kicked out, but actually passed through the divisions the other way? Irrespective of points deductions, I can't think of any other team who would've gone from Div 1 to Div 4 so quickly, if it does indeed happen to the bestest. Anyone? As other posters have said, Northampton, Swansea and Wolves went down the divisions rapidly. Two others I can think of that descended into the basement at a huge rate of knots are Bristol City late 70s/early 80s (including a caretaker stint by Roy Hodgson) and Sheffield United during the early 1980s from their Tony Currie heyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 A plea from the club was sent to Pompey fans via email from their manager, which started with: "Everyone knows that Pompey fans are the loudest and most loyal fans in the world" I love their delusion, it's hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 A plea from the club was sent to Pompey fans via email from their manager, which started with: "Everyone knows that Pompey fans are the loudest and most loyal fans in the world" I love their delusion, it's hilarious.they are until they have to pay up.....that could be the fans and the club of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Has TCWTB sold off his mums bookshop and become a HNWCWTB then? On the subject of TCWTB - I foresee a serious problem with the Supporter's Trust bid for ownership. Could any organisation, by any definition, pass him and his like as a 'Fit and Proper Person'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 10.30am on Thursday in Court 17, Mr Justice Sales is sitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 10.30am on Thursday in Court 17, Mr Justice Sales is sitting. Well, at least he has a level of familiarity in dealing with taxpayer's money... http://www.standard.co.uk/news/treasury-qc-gets-3m-in-fees--and-we-foot-the-bill-6746388.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 (edited) http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/court-lists/list-cause-rolls Before MR JUSTICE SALES Thursday, 13 December 2012 At half past 10 GENERAL LIST 1403/2012 In the matter of Portsmouth Football Club (2010) Ltd Between Birch & ors v Portpin Ltd What does the "& ors" bit mean? edit: just checked....simply means "others"... Edited 12 December, 2012 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/court-lists/list-cause-rolls What does the "& ors" bit mean? "and others" - he is an administrator but he is not the only administrator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 10.30am on Thursday in Court 17, Mr Justice Sales is sitting. Just spoken with a silk who I know. He says Sales has a "top drawer mind"... So no getting away with it on spurious stuff I'd hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/court-lists/list-cause-rolls What does the "& ors" bit mean? edit: just checked....simply means "others"... Sadly the correct answer was a great disappointment to Avram Grunt, who has decided not to attend now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Just spoken with a silk who I know. He says Sales has a "top drawer mind"... So no getting away with it on spurious stuff I'd hope. I'm wondering if the fact that he held the position of 'First Treasury Council' in the 1990s means we can deduce he might have little sympathy with an organisation that has diddled HMRC out of c.£50m across two administrations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 I'm wondering if the fact that he held the position of 'First Treasury Council' in the 1990s means we can deduce he might have little sympathy with an organisation that has diddled HMRC out of c.£50m across two administrations? The problem there is which side does he take, considering Portpin did the biggest diddling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 The problem there is which side does he take, considering Portpin did the biggest diddling... Takes neither side liquidates em then keeps all the money in court fees (the Treasury) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 The problem there is which side does he take, considering Portpin did the biggest diddling... Fair point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 The problem there is which side does he take, considering Portpin did the biggest diddling... Oi don't be slating Chanrai on this thread you ****. The bloke is a living legend and beyond reproach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 OK, Hatch, Clapham Saint, Torres, Gemmell, Trousers, Joe K, and Steve G, are we all still up for meeting at the George pub on the Strand at say 12.45 ish on Friday lunchtime?? I should be there. I have a couple of deadline which could get in the way but hopefully they won't be a problem. (wow some of us have melted away quicker than Pompey fans asked to make good on their pledges...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 I note that some of you will be in the George on the Strand on Friday ! I am ending a pubcrawl of the City about 15.30 in that area, will you still be there then ? Warning in advance - I may be a bit p!ssed but I'm always well behaved (just tend to slur a bit!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chopper71 Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 I note that some of you will be in the George on the Strand on Friday ! I am ending a pubcrawl of the City about 15.30 in that area, will you still be there then ? Warning in advance - I may be a bit p!ssed but I'm always well behaved (just tend to slur a bit!). Guys - watch out, remember there will be a 'coach load' of pompey fans up there looking for someone else to blame. I make that you 5 or 6 versus 2 so you should be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Guys - watch out, remember there will be a 'coach load' of pompey fans up there looking for someone else to blame. I make that you 5 or 6 versus 2 so you should be fine. Is that a coachload in English maths or a coachload in Skatish maths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Is that a coachload in English maths or a coachload in Skatish maths? Apply their CVA rule of thumb. Let's be fair and say it's a 52 seat coach. 20% of 52 = 10.4 2& of 10.4 = 0.208 The coach may probably be empty by that reckoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 12 December, 2012 Author Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Apply their CVA rule of thumb. Let's be fair and say it's a 52 seat coach. 20% of 52 = 10.4 2& of 10.4 = 0.208 The coach may probably be empty by that reckoning. don't forget the driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 don't forget the driver Didn't they sell him to Cardiff City? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 AndyMac @beiderbecks Glad for #Bradford being back in FA Cup but can't help but wonder how many points us at #Pompey would have lost for doing same! Erm....excuse me mister....when you lot cheated in the FA Cup you ended up winning the thing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 AndyMac @beiderbecks Glad for #Bradford being back in FA Cup but can't help but wonder how many points us at #Pompey would have lost for doing same! Erm....excuse me mister....when you lot cheated in the FA Cup you ended up winning the thing.... Not to mention that as they are entirely different competitions, there are no FOOTBALL LEAGUE points penalties given for breaking rules about player eligibility in the FA CUP... Persecution complex much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kirkup Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 OK, Hatch, Clapham Saint, Torres, Gemmell, Trousers, Joe K, and Steve G, are we all still up for meeting at the George pub on the Strand at say 12.45 ish on Friday lunchtime?? Yep will be there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 (edited) As I suspected, our esteemed local journalist doesn't even know what time of day it is half the time... @pn_neil_allen: Permission granted to Tweet from the High Court. I'll be there both days giving updates on case progress. Starts 10.30pm tomorrow. #Pompey Last one out turn off the lights Neil... Edited 12 December, 2012 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 (edited) @pn_neil_allen: Confirmed. Tomorrow's court case has been adjourned. Will get more soon. #Pompey Last minute climb down by Chainrai...? Edited 12 December, 2012 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Maybe TB has found someone much better than the PDT or maybe one of the HNW people have pulled out ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Well, the Trust chairman is saying he doesn't know why... @AshBeen23: Court case adjourned, no information as to why yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Chinny must have pulled the plug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey-deacons-left-nut Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Probably something dull like the judge having o do a different case or something.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 @pn_neil_allen: General scratching of heads all round. Adjournment nothing to do with Trust. PKF are proving difficult to get hold of. #Pompey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey-deacons-left-nut Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Uh oh!! Doesn't sound good (for the pdt) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Chinny must have pulled the plug The thing is; he's instructed lawyers and they must have undertaken a significant amount of (paid) research just to get this far. And they have a formal offer from the PDT for £2.75M. Would a valuation from the court change that offer? Don't know, but it seems like Birch is going to court to make Portpin accept the PDT's offer, not a random valuation that the court may choose to pick. Portpin wanted an adjournment (and were previously denied one according to POL) so, while it seems the likeliest cause, I wouldn't be too quick to assume that its a Portpin withdrawal that has caused this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 @pn_neil_allen: General scratching of heads all round. Adjournment nothing to do with Trust. PKF are proving difficult to get hold of. #Pompey Why would it be anything to do with the trust? It's Birch v Chinnery isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Hurrah! The guns have stopped, the battle has been won! The big knobs have got around the table and yanked the big iron out of the fire.... Or perhaps Team Chinster has just eased the handbrake on and is watching the PDT's legal fees creeping up faster than little Avram at a Baywatch convention. If the Football League firing a warning shot at them the other day could be spun as a vote of confidence, then I'm sure this delay is fantastic news. Unless you had booked a Matiz to carry the blue army up there. Yes that's it, fan power has forced the court to have a rethink, the biggest fan buyout has proved too much for Justice Sales to cope with, we need a more important judge who can cope with the pressure of the best club in the world - the thought of that massive crowd with all of their banners bringing central London to a standstill proved too much. I bet the Met asked for a new date when they heard about the bookshop van full of porn, grass, and a chemical toilet heading their way.... Come on Penny, come on beardie, tell us what you think about this latest success, and how you did your bit to blaze a trail that will lead football into a new age (even those clubs that have done it already).....this rubber-stamping exercise is less hassle than we thought, it'll be a matter of minutes before they get the keys and ride off into the sunset. FANtastic!! yawn. And on a funnier note - anyone else seen the pompey 2012 calendar? - guess who Mr December is?.... Sadly not Ben Haim - but Kanu! He's appeared just before the court case to remind them about his claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 According to POL the lawyers know nothing about it, PKF have announced the adjournment. Despite my previous post, I'm actually starting to think that Chinny has pulled out. If he goes to court and loses he has to pay court costs for the other side; if he pulls out Tricky Trev will just accept the £2.75M offer and take the court costs and his excessive fees from whats left of the (parachute payments) cash in the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 This is terrible news for Trevor '£9k per week' Birch. He will have to soldier on at his pitiful rate. I see the Skates are clinging to straws like Graham Rix clings to a One Direction fan. Face facts chaps, if there is an adjournment and PKF don't tell you why, it's not because you are home and dry. Still, better get converting those pledges chaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 @bobbeech: Pompey - The longest running saga since The Mousetrap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 According to POL the lawyers know nothing about it, PKF have announced the adjournment. Despite my previous post, I'm actually starting to think that Chinny has pulled out. If he goes to court and loses he has to pay court costs for the other side; if he pulls out Tricky Trev will just accept the £2.75M offer and take the court costs and his excessive fees from whats left of the (parachute payments) cash in the bank. Adjourned, not settled. Big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 @pn_neil_allen: Plot thickens. Seems Portpin were tomorrow going to push Brendan Guilfoyle as administrator to sell the club why they funded it! #Pompey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 (edited) Definition of "adjourned" = Break off with the intention of resuming it later. If a settlement had been agreed, it wouldn't be adjourned. Edited 12 December, 2012 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysstuff Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 http://partnership.pagroupplc.com/Partners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 @pn_neil_allen: Plot thickens. Seems Portpin were tomorrow going to push Brendan Guilfoyle as administrator to sell the club why they funded it! #Pompey "I am secured, I will get my money" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Neil Allen@pn_neil_allen: For those asking who Guilfoyle is, ex administrator for Palace, Luton and Plymouth Roughly translated as, "I have just Googled him" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 @pn_neil_allen: Plot thickens. Seems Portpin were tomorrow going to push Brendan Guilfoyle as administrator to sell the club why they funded it! #Pompey Is it just me, or does that not make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Shame... I was looking forward to another court case. It must be literally months since the last one. Could be that chainrai now believes that the longer they are in admin, the less viable the business plan becomes, and his end game now is just to delay until they go pop? Sustaining PKF fees alone is hoovering up the pledges, but with the January transfer window just around the corner and the likelihood of losing players, plus the 1st anniversary of going in to admin arriving shortly after in February (and i believe that is also a statutory deadline of some sort) time is absolutely of the essence for the PDT. Torpedo the PDT's business plan and suddenly it's liquidation time, with no other viable option. He's then in pole position to get the ground... Oh, and it's from any messy planning restrictions due to there being no football club... Or perhaps I've been exposed to too many conspiracy theories today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysstuff Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Is it just me, or does that not make sense? Depends whether DP's insinuation about other bidders was correct or not............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 I presume he means whilst they funded it. So they would continue to fund the club in administration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Reece Posted 12 December, 2012 Share Posted 12 December, 2012 Nabil Hassan @NabilHassan79 Just spoke to Portpin, they say adjournment was administrator PKF's decision. Portpin are ready to proceed with the case. #Pompey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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