Pompey Takeover Saga

[Minsk]

So effectively what your saying is we cheated and won the FA cup, you cheated to gain a cometitive advantage to get back to the Prem and ****ed it up. Fair enough, we successfully cheated whereas you **** out, its still trying to gain a competitive advantage. Thank god for bored swiss billionaire eh? Look the whole thing is sick as ****. We may be the worst example of what is wrong, but were gone now, yesterday news. U asked yesterday how much Ramirez was being paid, inc. Bonuses etc. No one answered. Doesnt anyone know? I think its pretty massive? Is this why NC borrowed from a BVI loan shark? Who was it and at what rate of interest? Its big ****ing money isn't it. Sodoes anyone know whats going on behind the scenes at SFC and isn't anyone concerned? Having been proper butt ****ed, i'd want all the details!

 

As previously stated and ignored by you, as you no doubt understand this where you very much cheated:

 

I know you are only trolling/fishing, but I'll bite:

 

I will be worried when on sub 20 000 crowds we don't pay tax and rip off charities in order to facilitate our signing:

 

Hart (read James)

Terry (read Campbell)

Baines (read Johnson)

Defoe (read Defoe)

Etc, etc, etc.

We did not cheat as we continued to pay tax, charities, local businesses, etc.

 

Now, if you really want to keep making yourself look as stupid as Corp (quite some achievement) go start a new thread on this topic and stop trying to detract from us laughing at your feeble excuse of a football club.

 

Thanks.

[Torres]

Mr Disgusted on POL is defo one of us. Surprised Frattoniser hasn't sniffed him out.

 

He definitely is not

[Torres]

Bet appleton doesnt drop howard though. Him and williamson and to a lesser extent harley have been utter gash this season

 

Who would have thought that Jon Harley, most recently seen failing win a contract with A-League club Melbourne Victory before being loaned from Notts County to Rotherham, would be gash?

[hutch]

What they did is start the summer with Portpin telling Birch his business plan would likely include a budget at £4K per player per week. Appleton then went off to source a squad of players at that wage level, and took many of them on pre-season. Days before the start of the season, Portpin dropped a bombshell that they would only be able to subsidise a £1.5K per player per week allowance. Appleton then squinnied in the papers about how unfair it was, and how he now needed to go and find a whole new squad of players within that new budget.

I don't think that's true, although 'Appy would like you to believe that it is.

 

I don't think I've seen any evidence of Portpin giving either Birch or 'Appy a player wage budget at the start of the summer. At that time 'Appy was whingeing to anybody who would listen (Hi Neil) that nobody from Portpin would answer his calls or talk to him about his player budget for the coming season. So he made one up, based on items in the news about Birch's "target" to reduce the unsustainable wage bill, which was at that time around £12m a year. All Portpin said at the time was that after they took over the club "would live within it's means".

 

If 'Appy had enough fingers, he could have worked out for himself that the "means" of a L1 club is an annual turnover of around £5m, so a TOTAL wage bill, @ 65%, of less than £3.5m. Taking off some to pay the new executives and management, backroom staff, matchday staff, non-first team squad players, etc, leaves less than £2.5m for the first team squad wages.

 

At the time Chinny chipped in with his £1.5m budget comment, I saw that as a warning to Birch that every £££ he gave away in a compromise settlement was coming off next years squad budget.

[The Kraken]

A lot of it is summarised in this BBC article:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19244057

 

Now, perhaps you're right that Appleton set himself a budget, but I somehow doubt it. Any figure would certainly have been in collusion with Birch, and most likely also with an estimated player budget from Portpin at the start of the summer, as they were the only definite bidder at the start of summer.

 

At the time of the announcement of the £1.5M budget from Portpin, pretty much all player deferrals had been agreed. Perhaps that was Portpin's reaction to the deferral agreements, but it can't have been a warning as, like I say, the agreements had already been made.

[Ken Tone]

Perhaps it was simply the old chestnut of Appy assuming his budget was after tax and others assuming (reasonably enough ) that it was to include tax? Now that Portsmouth are actually paying tax ( I presume?!) this difference does actually matter, unlike before.

 

Remember, the habit in football is to quote their obscenely high salaries as weekly take-home wages. So at the normal rate of tax if the club hasn't found ways of paying via an off-shore dog, a wage of 'only' £5,000 is actually a salary before tax etc of around £500,000 a year.

 

If the Sun quote from yestrerday was correct and McLeod is on £4000 a week, he would be on the equivalent of an annual salary of c£400,000 a year -- not bad for a journeyman, lower division striker, whose very dodgy past and criminal record would probably have ruined his career in most other fields of work.

[hutch]

A lot of it is summarised in this BBC article:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19244057

 

Now, perhaps you're right that Appleton set himself a budget, but I somehow doubt it. Any figure would certainly have been in collusion with Birch, and most likely also with an estimated player budget from Portpin at the start of the summer, as they were the only definite bidder at the start of summer.

 

At the time of the announcement of the £1.5M budget from Portpin, pretty much all player deferrals had been agreed. Perhaps that was Portpin's reaction to the deferral agreements, but it can't have been a warning as, like I say, the agreements had already been made.

Trying not to get into semantics, because a lot is speculation, but the important point I was trying to make, without criticising anybody else's interpretation of the available reliable information, was that the story that Chainrai gave 'Appy a budget of £4m a year, and then suddenly without warning, cut it to £1.5m, is complete bullsheet made up by 'Appy.

[Saint Lindford]

More 'free tickets, this time it is hidden as being part of the £30,000 the Phew won by promoting an Energy company.

 

http://www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/LatestNews/latest-news/Free-Tickets-For-Schools-3765.aspx

 

So given their last home crowd drew a massive 10,000 the gate on Saturday should be up over 13,000.

[dubai_phil]

He definitely is not

 

 

I see what you did there

 

[The Kraken]

Trying not to get into semantics, because a lot is speculation, but the important point I was trying to make, without criticising anybody else's interpretation of the available reliable information, was that the story that Chainrai gave 'Appy a budget of £4m a year, and then suddenly without warning, cut it to £1.5m, is complete bullsheet made up by 'Appy.

 

Oh don't get me wrong, I don't trust a word that comes out of Appleton's mouth. I think he's almost unique in being a combination of an abject liar while also at the same time being completely ignorant of the full facts surrounding "his" club. A feature highlighted by his ridiculous previous statement of "our wage budget is definitely one of the bottom 2 or 3 in the division"!It clearly isn't Appy, and that myth has been completely put to bed by the various players and managers that commented on how absurd a suggestion that was.

 

You're right that it is semantics, but the version I choose to go with (as you say its mostly speculation but, bloody hell, that's what this thread is for!!) is that at the start of summer Portpin had informal chats with Birch and in principle went along with Birch's suggestion of an average wage figure of around £4K per player per week. This was in keeping with the wages that Birch was paying out to the high earners at that time; the likes of Ben Haim, Kitson etc etc were being paid £5K per week with the rest going into their big old deferral pot. Birch and Appy then went out and highlighted the players, and just before the start of the season Chainrai submitted his bid confirming a wage level of only £1.5K per week. At whch point Appy spat his dummy out, yet Birch still went ahead and signed the players.

 

That may be how it happened, it may not. In any case, however it happened one thing is surely true: neither Portpin's bid nor the PST's bid were originally set up to accommodate wages of the kind that are reputedly being paid right now. Birch has taken a very short term view IMO and recruited the players on higher wages than the club can afford in the longer term, knowing that they the players are on month to month contracts and by the time the takeover goes through, he will be out of the door and it'll be someone else's problem to sort out their own budget and play within the FL's sanctions. He of course can get away with that now as the parachute payments are subsidising the operating budget (well, up until the player deferral payments are due of course) and the FL sanctions and reviews don't come in until the club exits administration.

[Gemmel]

Well according to the few... The FL meeting is tomorrow and pompey is on the agenda.

 

Will they stop Chanrai or will it be the green light for Big Daddy to ride back into town.... Should be an intresting day, although I fear for frattonisers health and message board..... Not sure I will enough self control to stop myself posting on it.

[The Kraken]

More 'free tickets, this time it is hidden as being part of the £30,000 the Phew won by promoting an Energy company.

 

http://www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/LatestNews/latest-news/Free-Tickets-For-Schools-3765.aspx

 

So given their last home crowd drew a massive 10,000 the gate on Saturday should be up over 13,000.

 

Not really, no; the tickets are being spread out over 15 games.

[dubai_phil]

http://www.credittoday.co.uk/events/view/7/insolvency-today-annual-conference

 

Don't expect any big advances today, everyone assosciated with pcfc will be off at their big annual beanfest in London.

 

Awards dinner tonight as well.

 

No doubt Tricky will be up for a "best wheeze to keep milking a cash cow" award

 

Will Comical Andy win for his part in bringing the evil CSI to justice?

 

Watch this space for more exciting updatezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[trousers]

Well according to the few... The FL meeting is tomorrow and pompey is on the agenda.

 

I assume the agenda item goes something like "Let's talk about Pompey for 5 minutes and defer any decision making until the next meeting in 6 weeks time"

[rallyboy]

Kraken is right.

Appless has made it quite clear by his incorrect statements over the last few months that he has little understanding of budgets, nor the rules regarding administration.

From the press conferences that he holds in some sort of bail hostel, he clearly doesn't understand what the pending points penalty is for, nor does he realise that any wages budget already has £2M a year spent on his heroic players of the past.

 

£9M+ to pay off a plucky team that got you relegated = bargain.

 

His area of expertise is obviously in the transfer market, not forgetting his tactical skills, and his ability to motivate overpaid journeymen players for cup games.

 

 

Threatening the football authorities about mistreatment and dragging out the ridiculous level-playing field intergrity of the league card just makes him look like an uninformed poor manager, that a poor club cannot afford to sack.

 

He started there as a coach who sounded honest, but his recent claims about low wages and no costs to the club make him look like he fits perfectly with their business model of the last decade.

I can't see any new owner retaining him so there is no point in discussing long term finance with him.

 

 

 

 

I too heard that Trev has been sidelined a little, thankfully his company will continue to drain the corpse.

 

Wonder what the figures look like for last night?

 

£55K-£60K income?

Police bill was running at 10%

Stewarding, electricity, emergency plumbing callout - even without the lowest paid squad in the division claiming their squirrel allowance, I don't see much profit in that one, not enough to pay the administrators' winebill this evening.

 

Luckily the local businesses will have pocketed their £13M.

[Gemmel]

I assume the agenda item goes something like "Let's talk about Pompey for 5 minutes and defer any decision making until the next meeting in 6 weeks time"

 

I don't think so (Could well be wrong) Everyday is another 9k to Birch - He might quite like that, but Chinny and the PST won't. They have submitted their preference, Porppin have met with the FL, I think it will be a case of "No fook off" or welcome back.

 

We might not get to hear the result, but I think there will be some movement

[dubai_phil]

The PST Poet Laureate

I too heard that Trev has been sidelined a little, thankfully his company will continue to drain the corpse.

 

If only their was an IP Industry Conference on where all the players in that business gather and swap stories...

 

And if only the PST had an IP specialist source who could be attending

 

Where is Clapham these days? Still under the Heathrow Flight path?

[The Kraken]

Despite criticism of him in the immediate aftermath of last night's capitulation to the mighty Wycombe, it seems as if the Pompey "faithful" have regained their inertia and are deludedly back behind their man.

 

Appleton is 3rd favourite at 13/2 for the Bolton job according to SSN

 

Lets face it, he is going to be in the (bookies) running for all managerial vacancies currently.

 

Although, what's this........ah, no, that was but a lone voice in the dark:

 

he can go.

 

Not sure why he would be - in a footballing sense he hasn't achieved anything yet. Of course he's a great bloke who has stuck with us but is he a great coach?

 

I would drive him up there, but fear his constant whinging would bore me to death.

[Frank's cousin]

Despite criticism of him in the immediate aftermath of last night's capitulation to the mighty Wycombe, it seems as if the Pompey "faithful" have regained their inertia and are deludedly back behind their man.

 

 

 

 

Although, what's this........ah, no, that was but a lone voice in the dark:

 

POL skate 5 shows promise

[trousers]

Tacit confirmation (as if any was needed) from the News that Pompey are fielding a player that (on paper) is too good for League One...

 

"Buzsaky confessed he’s still a way from full fitness and needs time to get to the level needed where he can wreak havoc."

 

http://m.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/buzsaky-that-s-not-good-enough-1-4350022

[Gemmel]

just makes him look like an uninformed poor manager, that a poor club cannot afford to sack.

 

Don't be so hasty Rallyboy - I am sure he will be prepared to put a call into himself and explain the situation and agree a compromise. Afterall everyone at the club has to wake up and realise it will be better to get something, rather than nothing at all.................isn't that right appy?

[hutch]

I heard their gate income has taken a big drop as fans have realised that if they just turn up at the player's entrance on matchday with a kit bag over their shoulder, and utter the secret password "I've just been signed on for this month, mate", they can get in for free.

[hutch]

Tacit confirmation (as if any was needed) from the News that Pompey are fielding a player that (on paper) is too good for League One...

 

"Buzsaky confessed he’s still a way from full fitness and needs time to get to the level needed where he can wreak havoc."

 

http://m.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/buzsaky-that-s-not-good-enough-1-4350022

 

He's really gonna take the league by storm:

 

We made some big errors and, in any level of football, if you do too many errors they will score against you.

 

I wasn’t too disappointed, though, because I wasn’t expecting much more from myself, to be fair.

[tony13579]

POL skate 5 shows promise

I think that might have been one of us???

[ALWAYS_SFC]

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/appy-frustrated-by-early-warning-signs-1-4350024

 

‘The atmosphere was a little bit funny as well.

 

What does he mean?

 

A bad atmosphere in fortress fratton the home of the bestest fans the world has ever seen ....surely not

[Ohio Saint]

"Joel Grant netted after just 13 seconds, while Dean Morgan made it 20 on nine minutes."

 

20!!?? Bloody hell! They really are shyte!!

[trousers]

Revealed - The inside story of the 'Ali Al Faraj' regime - Part 2

 

http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/portsmouth/fb_news.php?storyid=18360

 

Footnote and a statement by Portpin

 

The stories I have published over the last two days are the full, inside story of the Ali Al Faraj/Falcondrone/Portpin bid for Pompey, and of their ownership of Pompey. Whilst many of the central issues and allegations have been reported before, this is the first time the full story has been told.

 

I have been researching this for three years, and my articles are the results of interviews with multiple sources both inside and outside the UK. I have numerous eye witness

accounts of life inside the Falcondrone/Portpin regime – and these accounts come from senior people who want the full story to come out.

 

Portpin’s retained PR company has been given ample opportunity to comment on the central allegations, and on the two articles in their entirety. They have also seen more than 100 questions which I believe Portpin need to answer.

 

Now, more than a week since the first questions were put to them, they have decided to comment on their ‘no comments’ after all. On Tuesday Portpin's PR company said: “Our decision not to comment on Mr Hall’s blogs to date should in no way be taken as an acknowledgement of these unfounded, unsubstantiated and defamatory allegations."

 

The opportunity for Portpin to answer the questions and publicly respond to the allegations I have outlined remains there. I will publish any answers to the questions or any further statement they wish to make in full. If what I am saying is not true, this matter can be resolved very quickly and easily with a full and frank explanation of how all my sources and eye witnesses are clearly mistaken.

 

I am happy to repeat the central allegation. That a group of Arkadi Gaydamak's creditors - Balram Chainrai, Levi Kushnir, Yoram Yossifoff, Ron Mana and came to Portsmouth Football Club intending to undertake short-term asset stripping as a form of debt recovery. They brought their debt-collector, the convicted forger Daniel Azougy, with them.

 

They found a Saudi Arabian hermit, Ali Al Faraj, to front the bid to hide their own presence. He was never seen or heard in Portsmouth, and hasn’t been seen or heard of since. Instead, a convicted fraudster and forger was running the finances of the club alongside their own solicitor who had overall control.

 

Neither Falcondrone or Portpin had any experience of running a football club, and, once the Premier League got wise to their game and effectively stopped it by diverting payments coming in to Pompey, the game was up.

Portpin - after a long period of silence - now claim that these allegations are defamatory. I am sure I am not alone when I say I look forward to seeing Ali Al Faraj in the witness box.

Micah Hall

 

 

"I have been researching this for three years"

 

We know how you feel....

Edited 10 October, 2012 by trousers

[Gemmel]

I am happy to repeat the central allegation. That a group of Arkadi Gaydamak's creditors - Balram Chainrai, Levi Kushnir, Yoram Yossifoff, Ron Mana and came to Portsmouth Football Club intending to undertake short-term asset stripping as a form of debt recovery. They brought their debt-collector, the convicted forger Daniel Azougy, with them.

 

They found a Saudi Arabian hermit, Ali Al Faraj, to front the bid to hide their own presence. He was never seen or heard in Portsmouth, and hasn’t been seen or heard of since. Instead, a convicted fraudster and forger was running the finances of the club alongside their own solicitor who had overall control.

 

And I think this is the main issue. It (Both parts) is an incredibly well researched and dcoumented account of his interpritation of what has happened and he is probably right on somethings, but his central allegation, seems to be that portpin bought the club to asset strip as some form of debt recovery. Which unless I have missed something, isn't illegal - Granted you wouldn't want owners like that at any club, but I am missing how that would utimately cause any issues with the FAPPT. Where it does have teeth, is the inclusion of Azougy, but the club have already been addressed for that and he was subsequently kicked out of a meeting and furthermore, the article seems to be saying Azougy was part of falcondrone, not Portpin, with the two companies ultimately falling out. If Chanrai could explain away the initial coming together, then it leaves Falcondrone with the dirty hands and not Portpin (We don't necessarily have to believe that, it is whether there is a credible explanation from Chanrai, that the FL can live with). The same applys for Al Mirage.

 

But this guy is obviously on the case and the ball, so perhaps I have misread or misunderstood, his main gripes, but regardless, few could argue, that if you were trying to save your football club, you would want this guy on your side...... If he is successful, I just hope the trust live upto his expectations, because it still looks to me that they havent got a pot to **** in and very few of them understand what a pompey, living within their means, not owning a ground or training facility and having to service a CVA and players compromise agreements, actually looks like.

[bridge too far]

"Joel Grant netted after just 13 seconds, while Dean Morgan made it 20 on nine minutes."

 

20!!?? Bloody hell! They really are shyte!!

 

And it was an accident anyway

 

http://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/wffc/9976398._I_slipped_on_the_kick_and_shanked_the_ball_/

[KMondo]

Aside from the rapacious asset-stripping, the issue seems to be whether Chainrai was effectively a director during both recent administrations. According to Hall's article the answer is 'yes', which would indeed cause issues with the FAPPT.

[RonManager]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12691/8154514/Portsmouth-defender-Gabor-Gyepes-wants-a-long-term-stay-at-Fratton-Park

 

He told origo.hu: "Players get monthly contracts which are then renewed for another month.

"There are teams in League One where the players earn less but we have many players who have already played in higher leagues in better circumstances.

[Gemmel]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12691/8154514/Portsmouth-defender-Gabor-Gyepes-wants-a-long-term-stay-at-Fratton-Park

 

He told origo.hu: "Players get monthly contracts which are then renewed for another month.

"There are teams in League One where the players earn less but we have many players who have already played in higher leagues in better circumstances.

 

 

Oh dear Gabor - That's doesn't appear to be in keeping with your managers take on things - Probably best to keep schtumm in future.

[trousers]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12691/8154514/Portsmouth-defender-Gabor-Gyepes-wants-a-long-term-stay-at-Fratton-Park

 

He told origo.hu: "Players get monthly contracts which are then renewed for another month.

"There are teams in League One where the players earn less but we have many players who have already played in higher leagues in better circumstances.

 

I've re-worded his statement slightly..

 

Dear taxpayers, charities and local businesses who have lost 98% of c.£150m over the last 3 years,

 

Up yours you mugs!

 

Love Gabor and everyone at Pompey

[rallyboy]

That is a little gem! - pompey player admits that he and his mates are being paid more than players at rival clubs, but tries to justify it.

Contradicting the boss and making him look like a liar won't go down well.

 

 

 

 

Mr Hall seems to be suggesting that pompey's accounts have been riddled with financial irregularities for several years.

If proven, that charge leads them straight to non-league football.

 

And that's their problem.

The Trust want to tell everyone that Chanrai acted illegally when he was in charge of the business - but I bet they won't want the sentence that accompanies that crime.

In much the same way as they distanced themselves from the debt not long ago, they seem to want the club, but not the obligations that accompany it.

 

 

Any power struggle between the Trust and Portpin is likely to shred the club, and they'll be nothing left to fight over.

 

So it's brave of the Trust to highlight the criminality that's been performed at their football club, they know the defence of 'previous owners' holds no sway.

 

If the football club was run illegally, the club is punished - that is clear, there's NO room for complaint.

 

 

 

Though the let-off on the holding company going into admin, and the minimum pending points-penalty since, are clear indications that they have been treated very leniently thus far, so expect no Luton measures for similar offences.

 

Either way the Trust has a problem.

Every attack on a former owner's integrity makes further sanctions against the club more likely.

 

Methinks they are heading up a little cul-de-sac of misery - at a pace that a wheezy undertaker would consider to be annoyingly slow.

[trousers]

@pn_neil_allen: Another stunning piece from @blueballoo2000 now out. Please open your mind and read it. #Pompey http://t.co/eGXkIfbB

 

It's called investigative journalism Mr Allen...

[solentstars]

@pn_neil_allen: Another stunning piece from @blueballoo2000 now out. Please open your mind and read it. #Pompey http://t.co/eGXkIfbB

 

It's called investigative journalism Mr Allen...

agree neil allen is a amateur compared to blueballoo

[PES]

 

Mr Hall seems to be suggesting that pompey's accounts have been riddled with financial irregularities for several years.

If proven, that charge leads them straight to non-league football.

 

And that's their problem.

The Trust want to tell everyone that Chanrai acted illegally when he was in charge of the business - but I bet they won't want the sentence that accompanies that crime.

In much the same way as they distanced themselves from the debt not long ago, they seem to want the club, but not the obligations that accompany it.

 

 

Any power struggle between the Trust and Portpin is likely to shred the club, and they'll be nothing left to fight over.

 

So it's brave of the Trust to highlight the criminality that's been performed at their football club, they know the defence of 'previous owners' holds no sway.

 

If the football club was run illegally, the club is punished - that is clear, there's NO room for complaint.

 

 

 

Though the let-off on the holding company going into admin, and the minimum pending points-penalty since, are clear indications that they have been treated very leniently thus far, so expect no Luton measures for similar offences.

 

Either way the Trust has a problem.

Every attack on a former owner's integrity makes further sanctions against the club more likely.

 

Methinks they are heading up a little cul-de-sac of misery - at a pace that a wheezy undertaker would consider to be annoyingly slow.

 

Yes, I think that's mostly correct, I could not care less if this led to us being booted out the league. It's more than that, it's a battle for our club, if the league deems that the punishments for foreign owners using the club as a vessel to extract money legally and otherwise out the country then fine, should the circumstances prove similar to other clubs thrown out the league (examples?) then sure, do it FL.

 

IF the fans can oust these criminals and win the club back then all the 'good' people who helped build the club over its history's effort will not of been for nothing, Portsmouth we retain it's history (earned and passed down by Jimmy Dickerson, Jack Tinn and all those boys in the old grainy black and white photographs) and people like Mike Hall and the PST and even Durr-brains like me, riding on their coat tails, will be able to proudly say we saw off the criminals, paid off some of the debts (dont forget the fans themselves have already collected thousands to pay back the charity money owed) and took the punishment for THEIR actions, we all know THEY will not be held accountable WHATEVER the final outcome, but if we can save the club from their clutches I can live with that, it would only enhance my enjoyment of being Pompey. But first we have to get the club back and as you can see some people are fighting very, very hard.

[100%Red&White]

Yes, I think that's mostly correct, I could not care less if this led to us being booted out the league. It's more than that, it's a battle for our club, if the league deems that the punishments for foreign owners using the club as a vessel to extract money legally and otherwise out the country then fine, should the circumstances prove similar to other clubs thrown out the league (examples?) then sure, do it FL.

 

IF the fans can oust these criminals and win the club back then all the 'good' people who helped build the club over its history's effort will not of been for nothing, Portsmouth we retain it's history (earned and passed down by Jimmy Dickerson, Jack Tinn and all those boys in the old grainy black and white photographs) and people like Mike Hall and the PST and even Durr-brains like me, riding on their coat tails, will be able to proudly say we saw off the criminals, paid off some of the debts (dont forget the fans themselves have already collected thousands to pay back the charity money owed) and took the punishment for THEIR actions, we all know THEY will not be held accountable WHATEVER the final outcome, but if we can save the club from their clutches I can live with that, it would only enhance my enjoyment of being Pompey. But first we have to get the club back and as you can see some people are fighting very, very hard.

 

That's beautiful PES, pure passion, just what we'd expect from the island (permission for bottom lip to quiver). At least you've still got a trip to Wembley in the JPT to look forward to.

 

Oh.

[The Kraken]

PES, if you're going to celebrate your past heroes its perhaps best to get their names right.

 

It's Jimmy Dickinson, by the way. Not Dickerson.

 

HTH.

[trousers]

There was a very easy way of getting your club back when these ownership revelations started to surface 3 years ago...start a new club (taking the spiritual part of it with you) in the lower leagues, leaving Chainrai with the empty shell.

 

You could have been knocking back on the door of the football league again within 5 years or so.

 

It's all very noble what the Trust are trying to do, it's just that they're 3 years late.

[dronskisaint]

PES, if you're going to celebrate your past heroes its perhaps best to get their names right.

 

It's Jimmy Dickinson, by the way. Not Dickerson.

 

HTH.

 

Beat me to it!

[FloridaMarlin]

"Originally Posted by PES

Yes, I think that's mostly correct, I could not care less if this led to us being booted out the league. It's more than that, it's a battle for our club, if the league deems that the punishments for foreign owners using the club as a vessel to extract money legally and otherwise out the country then fine, should the circumstances prove similar to other clubs thrown out the league (examples?) then sure, do it FL.

 

IF the fans can oust these criminals and win the club back then all the 'good' people who helped build the club over its history's effort will not of been for nothing, Portsmouth we retain it's history (earned and passed down by Jimmy Dickerson, Jack Tinn and all those boys in the old grainy black and white photographs) and people like Mike Hall and the PST and even Durr-brains like me, riding on their coat tails, will be able to proudly say we saw off the criminals, paid off some of the debts (dont forget the fans themselves have already collected thousands to pay back the charity money owed) and took the punishment for THEIR actions, we all know THEY will not be held accountable WHATEVER the final outcome, but if we can save the club from their clutches I can live with that, it would only enhance my enjoyment of being Pompey. But first we have to get the club back and as you can see some people are fighting very, very hard."

 

Oops! If you're going to cite the club's glorious history at least know how the name of your most famous player is spelled.

 

FYI, it's Dickinson, and it's his image on the seats at the Farton End.

[Jimmy_D]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-19900745

[Jonnyboy]

I'm a big fan of all our legends like Matthew Le Tizer, Rickie Lamburt, and Mick Shannon.

[View From The Top]

Yes, I think that's mostly correct, I could not care less if this led to us being booted out the league. It's more than that, it's a battle for our club, if the league deems that the punishments for foreign owners using the club as a vessel to extract money legally and otherwise out the country then fine, should the circumstances prove similar to other clubs thrown out the league (examples?) then sure, do it FL.

 

IF the fans can oust these criminals and win the club back then all the 'good' people who helped build the club over its history's effort will not of been for nothing, Portsmouth we retain it's history (earned and passed down by Jimmy Dickerson, Jack Tinn and all those boys in the old grainy black and white photographs) and people like Mike Hall and the PST and even Durr-brains like me, riding on their coat tails, will be able to proudly say we saw off the criminals, paid off some of the debts (dont forget the fans themselves have already collected thousands to pay back the charity money owed) and took the punishment for THEIR actions, we all know THEY will not be held accountable WHATEVER the final outcome, but if we can save the club from their clutches I can live with that, it would only enhance my enjoyment of being Pompey. But first we have to get the club back and as you can see some people are fighting very, very hard.

 

Too little too late so fu.ck you. I hope your club dies and you cry your eyes out when it happens you inbred skate cu.nt.

[Wes Tender]

From Micah Hall's blog:-

On Tuesday Portpin's PR company said: “Our decision not to comment on Mr Hall’s blogs to date should in no way be taken as an acknowledgement of these unfounded, unsubstantiated and defamatory allegations."

 

It is one thing to call the allegations unfounded or unsubstantiated, but quite another to label them as defamatory. One would expect that if these allegations were in fact defamatory, that Chainrai would be threatening legal action against Hall, but unless Hall has not nentioned it, it appears that for some reason no such threat of legal action will be forthcoming. Chainrai is a very wealthy man and could easily afford the best lawyers to sue Hall for what any serious businessman would consider were very damaging remarks against his personal integrity. Chainrai must know that unless Hall would have offers from wealthy backers to fund his defence of these allegations in a court of law, that he wouldn't be able to afford it.

 

So why isn't Chainrai coming down hard on Hall in order to shut him up, especially as Hall is doing a decent job of sabotaging his bid to be accepted as a fit and proper person to regain control of the club once more?

 

This hot air from Chainrai's PR company is suggestive that there is quite a bit of substance to Hall's allegations.

[Ohio Saint]

Skate baiting aside for a moment, Mica hall is a credit to all supporters. Every club should have at least one of him.

[Winchester Red]

From Micah Hall's blog:-

 

 

It is one thing to call the allegations unfounded or unsubstantiated, but quite another to label them as defamatory. One would expect that if these allegations were in fact defamatory, that Chainrai would be threatening legal action against Hall, but unless Hall has not nentioned it, it appears that for some reason no such threat of legal action will be forthcoming. Chainrai is a very wealthy man and could easily afford the best lawyers to sue Hall for what any serious businessman would consider were very damaging remarks against his personal integrity. Chainrai must know that unless Hall would have offers from wealthy backers to fund his defence of these allegations in a court of law, that he wouldn't be able to afford it.

 

So why isn't Chainrai coming down hard on Hall in order to shut him up, especially as Hall is doing a decent job of sabotaging his bid to be accepted as a fit and proper person to regain control of the club once more?

 

This hot air from Chainrai's PR company is suggestive that there is quite a bit of substance to Hall's allegations.

 

I suspect that any attempts to shut Hall up will not be of the legal variety.

 

He's a nobody on their scale so sending the boys around is a far easier option...

 

(There's no point him going to FP for protection though. Going there doesn't guarantee anyone will be within 20 seats of you! Although it might help to have that much space around you to see the hitman coming)

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Skate baiting aside for a moment, Mica hall is a credit to all supporters. Every club should have at least one of him.

 

I agree - he is earning a modicum of respect back for his club. Fair play

[Weston Super Saint]

Yes, I think that's mostly correct, I could not care less if this led to us being booted out the league. It's more than that, it's a battle for our club, if the league deems that the punishments for foreign owners using the club as a vessel to extract money legally and otherwise out the country then fine, should the circumstances prove similar to other clubs thrown out the league (examples?) then sure, do it FL.

 

I'll ignore you not knowing the name of your most famous player

 

You really are clutching at straws with your 'foreign owners' quote though! I didn't see too much moaning and groaning from the phew when you had foreign owners putting money INTO the club / country!

 

Didn't even see any moaning when Gady was putting in the proceeds from his drug and gun running businesses, that occasionally he even paid taxes on!

 

As a WUM, you are less successful than Eddie the Eagle standing on the top of the ski jump.