Pompey Takeover Saga

[Dark Munster]

'Arry back at Bournemouth according to twitter

Phew, that's a relief. There was a nasty rumour going around that Saggy was being lined up to replace Nige. But now that he's at his spiritual home, his legendary loyalty means that there's no chance he'll dump them to come and relegate us a second time.

 

Oh.

[Dark Munster]

It is unreasonable because we believe it's our club, spiritually for want of a far better word, if not actually. I know most fans don't want a Phoenix club, we want the shysters who have used our club to their own ends gone. You seem to suggest we should run away? By backing the PST we believe we can take back what is ours and drive these crooks out, we don't have a super rich benefactor waiting in the wings and even if we did, most wouldn't want it.

 

Everyone I speak to is dead set on making it so the club actually belongs to us. We dont want to be at the whim of some foreign corporate types who make decisions like Changing the clubs historic colours and mistreating your own club legends. I mean don't you think NC is taking the p*ss? Who gave him the right to f*ck with your soul/history/culture??? If we have the opportunity to take control of our club so egotistical *****s like NC can't run roughshod over what the fans want, would you not take control? Would you not do exactly the same thing in the same situation? I guess not.

 

But we will buy our club and it will be ours not just in name, but actual ownership. So when I say MY club, unlike you, it will be actually true and not just an expression. Now that's really something to look forward too!

You're right, P.O.S. It is absolutely shocking that we're playing in red this season, with only tiny white stipes. And as for his hand bags with Matty, well that is unforgivable. He truly makes the child maimer, Mad Milan, the ice cream doctor, Al Mirage, the Russian Laurel and Hardy, and Chinny look like choir boys.

 

Sod off Nicola, and take your billions with you.

Edited 8 September, 2012 by Dark Munster

[alehouseboys]

We dont want to be at the whim of some foreign corporate types who make decisions like Changing the clubs historic colours

 

You need to brush up on your history son...the reason you no longer play in 'salmon' pink shirts and that you're no longer known as 'The Shrimps' (it was all so appropriate wasn't it) was because some shyster changed your historic colours and traditional nickname. True story.

[trousers]

It is unreasonable because we believe it's our club, spiritually for want of a far better word, if not actually. I know most fans don't want a Phoenix club, we want the shysters who have used our club to their own ends gone. You seem to suggest we should run away? By backing the PST we believe we can take back what is ours and drive these crooks out, we don't have a super rich benefactor waiting in the wings and even if we did, most wouldn't want it.

 

Everyone I speak to is dead set on making it so the club actually belongs to us. We dont want to be at the whim of some foreign corporate types who make decisions like Changing the clubs historic colours and mistreating your own club legends. I mean don't you think NC is taking the p*ss? Who gave him the right to f*ck with your soul/history/culture??? If we have the opportunity to take control of our club so egotistical *****s like NC can't run roughshod over what the fans want, would you not take control? Would you not do exactly the same thing in the same situation? I guess not.

 

But we will buy our club and it will be ours not just in name, but actual ownership. So when I say MY club, unlike you, it will be actually true and not just an expression. Now that's really something to look forward too!

 

[suewhistle]

What the analyses here have been pointing out is how far you are from ever achieving that, and some other weary Nutjob posters can have the job of again giving you chapter and verse.

 

Still waiting for a few more of you to turn up - Rallyboy et al? Seems you lot post more during the working day! Still, a pleasure yet to come, reading all your demolitions...

[Wes Tender]

It is unreasonable because we believe it's our club, spiritually for want of a far better word, if not actually. I know most fans don't want a Phoenix club, we want the shysters who have used our club to their own ends gone. You seem to suggest we should run away? By backing the PST we believe we can take back what is ours and drive these crooks out, we don't have a super rich benefactor waiting in the wings and even if we did, most wouldn't want it.

 

Everyone I speak to is dead set on making it so the club actually belongs to us. We dont want to be at the whim of some foreign corporate types who make decisions like Changing the clubs historic colours and mistreating your own club legends. I mean don't you think NC is taking the p*ss? Who gave him the right to f*ck with your soul/history/culture??? If we have the opportunity to take control of our club so egotistical *****s like NC can't run roughshod over what the fans want, would you not take control? Would you not do exactly the same thing in the same situation? I guess not.

 

But we will buy our club and it will be ours not just in name, but actual ownership. So when I say MY club, unlike you, it will be actually true and not just an expression. Now that's really something to look forward too!

Well, comfort yourselves with the belief that spiritually it is your club, even when it was owned by the gun-runner's son, the broke sheik, the fake sheik, the Hong Kong loan shark, the Russian Mafia and then again the Hong Kong loan shark. You must have been so angry when they began ruining the club that you own spiritually. But you lot never expressed that anger in public, especially when it seemed apparent that the broke sheik, the fake sheik, the Russian Mafia, were stinking rich. You obviously allowed these feelings of resentment to fester just under the surface. Even with the second coming of the Hong Kong loan shark, you don't have the principles or the gumption to make a unified stand and mass boycott matches as the nuclear weapon to bring about his departure.

 

You'd rather soldier on with the club in its present parlous position, having to pay through the nose to satisfy the loan shark, instead of starting off with a totally clean sheet at the lowest level. And why is that? Could it be that by starting again, the history of the old club would be expunged? The only way that the club will belong to you, is if you start from liquidation of the old club. As it is, you will struggle to shake off Chainrai for years and even if you cobble together a takeover by the Trust in tandem with this property developer, you will be beholden to him and the high net worth individuals, who will expect a strong say in the running of the club.

 

Birch as administrator has to decide who buys the club, in the best interests of the creditors, if indeed he decides that it is not better to liquidate it. Although it is a loopy suggestion, what would your position be if the likes of Markus Liebherr came in and took you over, paying off all your debts? Of course, I don't really need to ask, do I? You and all of the other Skate fans, the Ho, etc, would all be crowing about it insufferably. How quickly it would be that thoughts of the club being owned by the fans disappeared? So please don't come this attitude that if the opportunity came along for us to take over our club, we'd jump at it. We're quite happy to continue as we are, thank you, happy that we don't have financial worries, that our owners are ambitious for us and going about things the right way, building up our infrastructure, improving our academy and training facilities. So they change the shirt to commemorate our 125 years anniversary; lets take control of the club to prevent it happening again!

 

You really are naive if you don't accept that the only tangible way that the fans will own your club will be via liquidation and a rebirth starting from the bottom rung of the ladder. The path that you're on at the moment is going to lead to liquidation anyway eventually. So if your lot had the intelligence, they'd realise that and make the start now, using the money pledged by the fans as the down payment.

 

Most of us would respect your club a lot more if they started again from scratch. The current entity, the one that cheated charities, local businessmen and the tax man has no redeeming features and invites scorn and loathing. It would be a kindness to put it out of its misery and start again with a clean sheet and the kind wishes of all of the football community (including us) for its success.

[OldNick]

There's just something I'm not sure of regarding Mack; is he really not that great when it comes to the grammatical aspects, or is he instead playing a blinder with a superb parody of a typical skate? As you say, he does get it, he understands the big picture and although he gets some stick from us, he takes it in good spirit and makes light of it. His sense of humour leads me to believe that he could indeed be playing to the gallery with a stereotypical parody of your average Skate fan, in which case I take my hat off to him. We have gone on their forums and pretended to be like that ourselves, so why shouldn't he do it on here as a way of gaining acceptance by us?

 

The end result though, is that you can feel sympathy for the likes of Mack for the downturn in his club's fortunes, but not for those Skates who somehow think that what we went through is somehow the same as what has brought them low.

Wes you are kidding aren't you???? Mack is well aware of what he is doing and part of his great sense of humour, he is the Skate on here I'd be very sad to see leave here.

[Thedelldays]

Mack the illiterate fuk-tard cracks me up

[OldNick]

It is unreasonable because we believe it's our club, spiritually for want of a far better word, if not actually. I know most fans don't want a Phoenix club, we want the shysters who have used our club to their own ends gone.

Funny how it is only now you want that. i can'trecall under MM and all that followed any noise until the bill was to be paid. MM started it all and got out before the s### hit the fans (nice pun) The countless times you got on your knees and licked the cracks of the ar### of Russians , Arabs and any one else who kept you at the top table is laughable. only when they started to dump on you did you ever start to question.

Yes it is a rotting carcass, and if you were offered a phoenix club in the PL or Championship without FP or the old club you would grab it in a heartbeat. The only reason you hang on with fingernails torn and bleeding is to keep a league placing, you don't want the fight to climb the leagues as you know full well there are not enough of you to go the full distance.

I always will remember how you came on here telling us your mate Lynham was the real deal and was going to save us, and i suspect you knew he wasnt but wanted us to go into the depths. What goes around comes around and it would be Karma IMO

Edited 8 September, 2012 by OldNick

[benjii]

It is unreasonable because we believe it's our club, spiritually for want of a far better word, if not actually. I know most fans don't want a Phoenix club, we want the shysters who have used our club to their own ends gone. You seem to suggest we should run away? By backing the PST we believe we can take back what is ours and drive these crooks out, we don't have a super rich benefactor waiting in the wings and even if we did, most wouldn't want it.

 

Everyone I speak to is dead set on making it so the club actually belongs to us. We dont want to be at the whim of some foreign corporate types who make decisions like Changing the clubs historic colours and mistreating your own club legends. I mean don't you think NC is taking the p*ss? Who gave him the right to f*ck with your soul/history/culture??? If we have the opportunity to take control of our club so egotistical *****s like NC can't run roughshod over what the fans want, would you not take control? Would you not do exactly the same thing in the same situation? I guess not.

 

But we will buy our club and it will be ours not just in name, but actual ownership. So when I say MY club, unlike you, it will be actually true and not just an expression. Now that's really something to look forward too!

 

This is all very nice but the corollary is that Pompey will be a small time lower-league entity scraping by as best it can (which is, unsurprisingly, a position commensurate with several decades of its history, it's current infrastructure and it's fan base).

 

For the umpteenth time, if you achieve that (and you won't), most SFC fans would have some respect for your efforts. But if you do achieve it (and you won't) that's not what your attitude will be is it? Were you to show a bit of humility and grace you would be lauded. But you won't. You will bang on about how massive the whole thing is, how you are a sleeping giant, how you are the best team on the south coast and how people are somehow supposed to be jealous of some monochrome era titles won in very unusual circumstances. Your romantic pursuit will regress rather quickly to the ugly, shambolic, desperate, self-obsessed, grasping mess it has always been.

 

So, good luck. You will need it. Along with a collective personality transplant.

[View From The Top]

So the skates are now saying that they wouldn't be co.ck-a-hoop if they were bought by a philanthropic billionaire?

 

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Wes Tender]

Wes you are kidding aren't you???? Mack is well aware of what he is doing and part of his great sense of humour, he is the Skate on here I'd be very sad to see leave here.

 

Nick, my post was in response to the one by Rallyboy:-

 

that's why Mack gets no respect for his grammar but plenty for his spirit - he can see the big picture, he understands - he just can't express it very well.

 

I enquired as to whether the grammar wasn't deliberately a satirical parody of the average thick skate and my suspicions have been confirmed. I didn't recall him from on the previous incarnation of this forum.

 

But like you, I love the way he comes across and his wicked self-deprecating sense of humour.

 

We are very tolerant of the Skates on here, unlike how they treat us. But it is the likes of Mack and Merro who deserve sympathy for the plight of their club.

 

Fantasists and those who deny culpability for the way that their club has acted like Ho and PES get no sympathy and no respect from me.

[aintforever]

It is unreasonable because we believe it's our club, spiritually for want of a far better word, if not actually. I know most fans don't want a Phoenix club, we want the shysters who have used our club to their own ends gone. You seem to suggest we should run away? By backing the PST we believe we can take back what is ours and drive these crooks out, we don't have a super rich benefactor waiting in the wings and even if we did, most wouldn't want it.

 

Everyone I speak to is dead set on making it so the club actually belongs to us. We dont want to be at the whim of some foreign corporate types who make decisions like Changing the clubs historic colours and mistreating your own club legends. I mean don't you think NC is taking the p*ss? Who gave him the right to f*ck with your soul/history/culture??? If we have the opportunity to take control of our club so egotistical *****s like NC can't run roughshod over what the fans want, would you not take control? Would you not do exactly the same thing in the same situation? I guess not.

 

But we will buy our club and it will be ours not just in name, but actual ownership. So when I say MY club, unlike you, it will be actually true and not just an expression. Now that's really something to look forward too!

 

A few seasons in League 2 flirting with a 3rd/4th admin and you will soon change your tune.

 

Getting fans groups involved in running the club will just end up in disaster IMO. You will become the footballing equivalent of the Ted Bates Hobbit statue.

[dronskisaint]

It is unreasonable because we believe it's our club, spiritually for want of a far better word, if not actually. I know most fans don't want a Phoenix club, we want the shysters who have used our club to their own ends gone. You seem to suggest we should run away? By backing the PST we believe we can take back what is ours and drive these crooks out, we don't have a super rich benefactor waiting in the wings and even if we did, most wouldn't want it.

 

Everyone I speak to is dead set on making it so the club actually belongs to us. *We dont want to be at the whim of some foreign corporate types who make decisions like Changing the clubs historic colours and mistreating your own club legends. I mean don't you think NC is taking the p*ss? Who gave him the right to f*ck with your soul/history/culture??? If we have the opportunity to take control of our club so egotistical *****s like NC can't run roughshod over what the fans want, would you not take control?* Would you not do exactly the same thing in the same situation? I guess not.

 

But we will buy our club and it will be ours not just in name, but actual ownership. So when I say MY club, unlike you, it will be actually true and not just an expression. Now that's really something to look forward too!

 

*I'm just recalling the disgrace of Linvoy's testimonial, the oldest skate player's family who wanted to hold his wake at Fatpipe Park, the charities that have not received monies promised, the genuine workers who did work on the 'club' (NB - I personally don't feel that this description should apply to an organisation with associations to the types you have been sleeping with...the gun runner 'club', the pension robber 'club'...I think not!) who went out of business or encountered severe hardship through not being paid - and you, in your delusion, have the temerity to compare all that (so many more examples too) with a spat with our legend and a small change of colour distribution on our home kit??!!!

 

And you purport to wonder why you get annihilated when you post on here!

Edited 8 September, 2012 by dronskisaint
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[LGTL]

I find it truly hilarious that those stupid cun*s would rather merely exist in the duldrums of League 2, aslong as they owned the club and could show everyone how amazing their fans are (their following this season making that statement even more ridiculous). I know they're all thick, but they need to wake up, I don't think lover boy Henry will care for them much when they're at Hereford away needing to win on the final day...

[Winchester Red]

The thing is that they all want a fans owned club, whilst still insisting on the need to be competitive and for them that means challenging at the top (many L1 and L2 teams aren't competitive, but they are still subsidised by wealthy owners - eg, Orient. Hearn spends £800k a year getting them to break even and they don't have a vast player budget and own their own ground - they also aren't particularly successful!).

 

If they become fans owned they will either be getting 12,000 and challenging at the top of L1 and then the Champ but be sinking into the mire financially or they will live within their means (no, really) and they'll hop between L1 and L2 (and that's being optimistic) and attendances will fall to 5,000 in the bad seasons and maybe hit 10,000 in the good

 

Everyone knows what will actually happen is that BC will buy the club, wait until all the parachute money is in, take everything he can get, put it back into admin and then the fans will get it. After a year it will be back in admin again (the debt will have got smaller and smaller, in line with the resources of the current ownership), and then be bought out by a local business type figure and continue in L1 or L2. It'll be a return to the Gregory type era.

 

I don't see long term fan ownership as an option because none there seem to understand what the League standing of a team with a 5000 to 10000 fan base is with no subsidising. They want a fans club and the extra money that external ownership brings. Ironically even their current model which is woefully underfunded relies on several 'high net worth' individuals putting more money in - aka having wealthy owners (with a greater say), albeit on a micro scale. Pretending you have more fans than you do (because we got £20k in the prem and there were 250k on southsea common mate) isn't the answer, they're fooling themselves and the brighter ones should know better.

 

It's weird that they expect a better outcome than Exeter when the situation will be almost identical (ground ownership outstanding - Exeter could be in a better position really)

Edited 8 September, 2012 by Winchester Red

[TopGun]

Apparently Appy reckons Pompey are due to give another team a "spanking" at any time!

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19454700

 

More realistically, the Crawley manager points out that four years ago, Crawley and Pompey were four divisions apart. He also states that with the game being live on TV there may be some Pompey players trying to put themselves in the shop window in an attempt to get a more stable contract elsewhere.

 

Back to La-la Land, that'll be those players that Appy says can't play for another club until January, despite being on one month contracts!

[dubai_phil]

Putting things really simply. If Pompey fans buy their club out of administration, why didn't Saints fans look to do the same when their club was in administration?

They did.

Didn't that generous Swiss bloke buy you out of it at the very last minute, coming from nowhere?

He did not come out of nowhere. His interest was expressed at an early stage. It was the idiot Lie Ham and his make believe bedsit wetter that caused the club to almost die. Two other bidders walked away as a result of Leon Crouch being conned out of 500k secured againts the "fans organised" legends game. One of those bidders now runs a PL club

I'm not supprised that a few thousand of you turn out annually to celebrate him! But for me the big question is why were saints fans prepared to let their debt ridden club die? I cannot fathom it?

They did not, clearly 800 pages of TSW golden threads were ignored in making this statement

For all the ill's of football and Pompey is one of the sickest puppies, how could a true fan let it die? It's like family, you cant turn your back on it. Of course I realise clearly Saints fans see things differently, but I don't understand why? I wouldn't want to be in the metaphorical trenches with any gutless types with the prevailing attitude to your own displayed on here.

 

Swansea is 20% fans owned and are a fantastic admirable club, Exeter are fan owned and I admire them greatly. Pompey are in administration, on life support. The fans will not pull the plug on their club. Hopefully we can emulate a few of the clubs who are still left to be admired. You lot got into debt, did nothing about out and but for the inexplicable grace of a poorly man who wanted a last minute play thing, would not even be here.

We have said we will support the efforts to keep the club going and in fan ownership. Unfortunately until the fans remove a couple of Walter Mitty characters and stop with The Churchillian Speeches you will fail. (We had a year of Churchillian Speeches 9from Leon) as well. They drove us to the brink, as will yours. I'm quite happy to DHL a jar of Nescafe back to any address in skatesmuff with a before 9am delivery so you can smell it when you wake up

Pompey fans are looking to pay off debts with OUR OWN MONEY, WHO paid off your debts after your mad scramble spending money you didnt have to get back into the Premiership at the first time of asking? ANY of you lot? ........

The ONLY money we did not have was 4,000 POUNDS. The MORTGAGE was a business CONTRACT where the MONEY to pay the MORTGAGE was deducted from Season Ticket revenue.

The fact that two AMATEURS (anyone notice a possible link here) went on a LOOK AT ME AND HOW CLEVER I AM spree to prove the size of their Penis's

Under UK Law for the sake of 4,000 POUNDS, the club was Insolvent and so the Officers of the club did what was required by Law. Now, what did the officers of another club do when they were clearly Insolvent?

 

Didn't think so, so stop taking the moral highground by proxy, Marcus Liebherr has my respect, Saints fans who stood around pathetically watching their club die with their hands in their pockets sure dont. "This is why the country goes to war out of Portsmouth", as our late, great manager Bally once said.

 

Just imagine, all those months of pain ago if the dreamers down at Skatesmuff had said - yes you are right, we are insolvent and had gone into protective administration at the time of that court case. Two whole seasons for the fans to have got their act together - wasted.

 

And can anyone remind us of how CSI did not need a budget because they were rich men and would put in as much money as they needed to?

[dubai_phil]

It is unreasonable because we believe it's our club, spiritually for want of a far better word, if not actually. I know most fans don't want a Phoenix club, we want the shysters who have used our club to their own ends gone. You seem to suggest we should run away? By backing the PST we believe we can take back what is ours and drive these crooks out, we don't have a super rich benefactor waiting in the wings and even if we did, most wouldn't want it.

 

Everyone I speak to is dead set on making it so the club actually belongs to us. We dont want to be at the whim of some foreign corporate types who make decisions like Changing the clubs historic colours and mistreating your own club legends. I mean don't you think NC is taking the p*ss? Who gave him the right to f*ck with your soul/history/culture??? If we have the opportunity to take control of our club so egotistical *****s like NC can't run roughshod over what the fans want, would you not take control? Would you not do exactly the same thing in the same situation? I guess not.

 

But we will buy our club and it will be ours not just in name, but actual ownership. So when I say MY club, unlike you, it will be actually true and not just an expression. Now that's really something to look forward too!

 

BUT YOU CAN DO THAT.

 

Start from REALITY.

 

PST Statement - This club is screwed. It has been screwed, it cheated and iied. Now we need to SURVIVE.

 

That one word - The MOST important issue for "Your Club" right now is to SURVIVE. FFS tell your Churchills with small penis problems to STOP talking about being competitive. The entire mind set is still WRONG. The rallying cry should not be Competitive it should be about bringing your kids to build a long term future buy our shirts with pride to SAVE the club.

 

Who gives a crap if you get relegated this season - you have an excuse -10. What you need is TIME to regroup, TIME to build something from scratch from the left over bones of the rotting carcass. PLAY THE BLOODY KIDS - you will need them NEXT season and they will have experience, but instead you keep wasting cash that you need for your future on journeymen for 30 days. THAT IS WHAT IS STILL WRONG

 

JUST STOP with pretenting to be "A BIG CLUB" you are on your knees, the fans can save it, but you still don't understand SURVIVE first.

 

To Survive you HAVE to repent - you HAVE to understand that you are in a different ball game.

 

But you won't so we'll just keep enjoying Comedy Night

[Minsk]

Yeah, but my comment about the Exocets wasnt called for - sorry to any ex-navy types that knew deceased from Sheffield, Atlantic conveyor or Glamorgan. The skate tw*t just got to me with his hubris.

 

Thank you for coming out with this apology, being one of a few on here who participated in the Falklands and lost friends there, it is duly accepted.

 

Well, comfort yourselves with the belief that spiritually it is your club, even when it was owned by the gun-runner's son, the broke sheik, the fake sheik, the Hong Kong loan shark, the Russian Mafia and then again the Hong Kong loan shark. You must have been so angry when they began ruining the club that you own spiritually. But you lot never expressed that anger in public, especially when it seemed apparent that the broke sheik, the fake sheik, the Russian Mafia, were stinking rich. You obviously allowed these feelings of resentment to fester just under the surface. Even with the second coming of the Hong Kong loan shark, you don't have the principles or the gumption to make a unified stand and mass boycott matches as the nuclear weapon to bring about his departure.

 

You'd rather soldier on with the club in its present parlous position, having to pay through the nose to satisfy the loan shark, instead of starting off with a totally clean sheet at the lowest level. And why is that? Could it be that by starting again, the history of the old club would be expunged? The only way that the club will belong to you, is if you start from liquidation of the old club. As it is, you will struggle to shake off Chainrai for years and even if you cobble together a takeover by the Trust in tandem with this property developer, you will be beholden to him and the high net worth individuals, who will expect a strong say in the running of the club.

 

Birch as administrator has to decide who buys the club, in the best interests of the creditors, if indeed he decides that it is not better to liquidate it. Although it is a loopy suggestion, what would your position be if the likes of Markus Liebherr came in and took you over, paying off all your debts? Of course, I don't really need to ask, do I? You and all of the other Skate fans, the Ho, etc, would all be crowing about it insufferably. How quickly it would be that thoughts of the club being owned by the fans disappeared? So please don't come this attitude that if the opportunity came along for us to take over our club, we'd jump at it. We're quite happy to continue as we are, thank you, happy that we don't have financial worries, that our owners are ambitious for us and going about things the right way, building up our infrastructure, improving our academy and training facilities. So they change the shirt to commemorate our 125 years anniversary; lets take control of the club to prevent it happening again!

 

You really are naive if you don't accept that the only tangible way that the fans will own your club will be via liquidation and a rebirth starting from the bottom rung of the ladder. The path that you're on at the moment is going to lead to liquidation anyway eventually. So if your lot had the intelligence, they'd realise that and make the start now, using the money pledged by the fans as the down payment.

 

Most of us would respect your club a lot more if they started again from scratch. The current entity, the one that cheated charities, local businessmen and the tax man has no redeeming features and invites scorn and loathing. It would be a kindness to put it out of its misery and start again with a clean sheet and the kind wishes of all of the football community (including us) for its success.

 

Excellent post Wes!!!

[Gorgiesaint]

It is unreasonable because we believe it's our club, spiritually for want of a far better word, if not actually. I know most fans don't want a Phoenix club, we want the shysters who have used our club to their own ends gone. You seem to suggest we should run away? By backing the PST we believe we can take back what is ours and drive these crooks out, we don't have a super rich benefactor waiting in the wings and even if we did, most wouldn't want it.

 

Everyone I speak to is dead set on making it so the club actually belongs to us. We dont want to be at the whim of some foreign corporate types who make decisions like Changing the clubs historic colours and mistreating your own club legends. I mean don't you think NC is taking the p*ss? Who gave him the right to f*ck with your soul/history/culture??? If we have the opportunity to take control of our club so egotistical *****s like NC can't run roughshod over what the fans want, would you not take control? Would you not do exactly the same thing in the same situation? I guess not.

 

But we will buy our club and it will be ours not just in name, but actual ownership. So when I say MY club, unlike you, it will be actually true and not just an expression. Now that's really something to look forward too!

 

So what you're trying to say is that the 250,000 (or however many it was) on Southsea Common that day weren't there to celebrate winning the FA Cup... they were there in protest at the overspending on high wages & transfer fees and calling for fan ownership?

 

Didn't think so.

[Dellman]

Thanks PES but NC is not running rough shod over this fan however much you may wish it---he's delivering exactly the goods, thank you very much

[Kingsland Red]

PES, NC is doing all we could wish for to get the Saints back to sustaining a place in the best league in the world.

Don't worry about us, no problems here old chum !

[sotonswan]

Swansea is 20% fans owned and are a fantastic admirable club, Exeter are fan owned and I admire them greatly.

 

Well as you've mentioned both Swansea and Exeter there, I thought I'd make you aware of this video:-

 

That Final Day, Revisited

(It switches from Dutch to English from about the third minute, so persevere.)

 

Swansea had been under new ownership, including 20% Trust ownership, for a year and had gone from bad to worse on the field while grappling with finances.

 

On 5th May 2003 both Swansea and Exeter were playing to avoid relegation from League 2 to the Vauxhall Conference.

 

At that time it was ALL about survival. If anyone had claimed we'd be in the Premier league in 10 years time they'd be carted off for psychiatric evaluation. That was just not on anybodies radar.

 

I do hope you can get to grips with what supporters trusts are all about - survival. That is all.

 

For the neutral, the above movie is a cracker. Lower league football, jumpers for goalposts . . . . .

 

Trivia

14 mins - Leon Britton in training. He's still with us playing in the PL.

17 mins - Mike 'Fatty' Lewis - who screwed BOTH clubs over and was subsequently sent down for fraud for his time at Exeter

Edited 8 September, 2012 by sotonswan
Making clear it is an English language video

[trousers]

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/politics/council-rules-out-taking-sides-in-pompey-bid-war-1-4240525

 

FANS trying to take over Pompey will probably not receive a loan from the taxpayer, the leader of the council has said.Lib Dem councillor Gerald Vernon-Jackson tried to reassure sceptical members of the public by arguing the money would only be made available if the only alternative for the club was liquidation.

Portsmouth City Council’s leader said now that a competitive bidding process is underway – with the trust taking on Balram Chainrai’s Portpin – the authority could not take sides.

And as revealed in The News the trust is hoping other options, such as help from Upham property developer Stuart Robinson, will make the bridging loan unnecessary.

Both parties have been given until next Friday to complete their bids by PKF partner and administrator Trevor Birch.

Cllr Vernon-Jackson said: ‘There are a whole series of conditions attached to this loan.

‘And one of them is that the council is not going to get involved with something that is competitive.

‘We were a lender of last resort and offered something to stop the football club being liquidated.

‘There is now a competitive bid between two parties and it is not for the council to back one or another. What we wanted to make sure is that liquidation couldn’t happen.’

 

If it transpires that liquidation is the best solution for the creditors (now that there is £3m burning a hole in Trev's pocket this might well be the case) then surely the head of the local council should be backing what is best for the creditors rather than artificially keeping a football club afloat?

 

Aren't councillors supposed to have a moral compass?

[trousers]

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/politics/council-rules-out-taking-sides-in-pompey-bid-war-1-4240525

 

[h=4]The Realist[/h]9:56 PM on 08/09/2012

Apparently the PST are changing their name to PPDAAFST. Portsmouth Property Developers And A Few Supporters Trust.

 

Seriously though, this isn't what the PST was built on. This isn't why people pledged. This is just another consortium of business men clubbing together to buy a club. It will be the same as a Plc whereby the single shareholders don't get a voice and the big pension funds and corporate investors control the decision making.

 

The handful of lads I know who have pledged have all withdrawn their money. This is NOT what they signed up for.

 

Liquidate and start again. Get rid of these leeches once and for all.

[BigShadow]

BUT YOU CAN DO THAT.

 

Start from REALITY.

 

PST Statement - This club is screwed. It has been screwed, it cheated and iied. Now we need to SURVIVE.

 

That one word - The MOST important issue for "Your Club" right now is to SURVIVE. FFS tell your Churchills with small penis problems to STOP talking about being competitive. The entire mind set is still WRONG. The rallying cry should not be Competitive it should be about bringing your kids to build a long term future buy our shirts with pride to SAVE the club.

 

Who gives a crap if you get relegated this season - you have an excuse -10. What you need is TIME to regroup, TIME to build something from scratch from the left over bones of the rotting carcass. PLAY THE BLOODY KIDS - you will need them NEXT season and they will have experience, but instead you keep wasting cash that you need for your future on journeymen for 30 days. THAT IS WHAT IS STILL WRONG

 

JUST STOP with pretenting to be "A BIG CLUB" you are on your knees, the fans can save it, but you still don't understand SURVIVE first.

 

To Survive you HAVE to repent - you HAVE to understand that you are in a different ball game.

 

But you won't so we'll just keep enjoying Comedy Night

 

It all seems so simple when put like that - obvious even. They claim that the primary goal is to save the club, yet as they have done for years, time after time they continue to focus on a competitive team - a gamble on promotion solving their financial problems - whilst they neglect everything else that is wrong with the club and rob it of a future.

[Colinjb]

It all seems so simple when put like that - obvious even. They claim that the primary goal is to save the club, yet as they have done for years, time after time they continue to focus on a competitive team - a gamble on promotion solving their financial problems - whilst they neglect everything else that is wrong with the club and rob it of a future.

 

They are dreamers. Plain and simple. They dream that their club has a right to be competitive when it doesn't have a foundation. They dream that they are a special case who are truly unique and they dream that they can do as they want without reality catching up.

 

Keep dreaming skates..... see where it eventually gets you.

[Crazy Diamond]

I watched a bit of the JPT tie between the blue few and Bompey earlier this week.

 

Simon Thomas, who had the unfortunate job of trying to big up the tie and basically lie to the audience by saying there is an intense rivalry between the two, said something along the lines of "not even the most ardent Southampton fan would wish Portsmouth to go out of business."

 

Not true I'm afraid. How can a club that has continuously flouted the rules and been in administration THREE TIMES be allowed to carry on? I'm afraid it's beyond shambolic. Liquidate them. I have no sympathy at all.

 

Let the people of Portsmouth show what they're REALLY like. According to the blue few themselves, they are a well supported club. Wimbledon were not a club with huge levels of support, but they still rode the crest of a wave made of true football fans that wanted a football club in Wimbledon, and rose from the Combined Counties League to the Football League in ten years. If Portsmouth DO have amazing fans like they say (I like many of you don't see it myself) they'll be able to do it quicker, and they'd do non-league football a huge favour. Clubs in the Combined Counties League were on the verge of going out of business until AFC Wimbledon turned up with their away fans, boosting the coffers and keeping them in business. Imagine if AFC Portsmouth had the fans they say they have and turned up at the likes of Moneyfields etc.

 

Sadly, it's just not seen as an option. They believe they're a special case, and they're just not.

[FloridaMarlin]

One for Dubai Phil to chase.

In Spain for a few days, and last night they showed the Spain v Saudi Arabia game on the box.

The game wasn't up to much but my eye was suddenly taken by the electronic pitchside advertising.

Every 15 minutes or so, up popped adverts for "Suleiman Al Fahim" I couldn't read it as I was in a bar, but it was "Suleiman Al Fahim, your XXXXx partner."

 

Are we talking the same Al Fahim here? What has he popped up doing now?

[suewhistle]

Well as you've mentioned both Swansea and Exeter there, I thought I'd make you aware of this video:-

 

That Final Day, Revisited

(It switches from Dutch to English from about the third minute, so persevere.)r

 

It's Saturday night, errrrr Sunday morning, and I've just watched the video as I've unwound after a night out. Thanks for posting... I don't think it matters which clubs were involved, but doesn't it just capture our irrrational attachment to our teams?

 

Since that film Swansea are now a prem team and Exeter have played in front of 30k crowds (st Marys, Xmas 2009... I was there..).

 

Joking aside, any footie fan will have empathised with that film and the supporters involved. A salutary lesson for Pompey, if only they could ever learn....

[Weston Super Saint]

Lets not forget, although we only have a 20,000 seater stadium, we sold out, I see scums 1st two home games this season had empty seats in their Ikea Flat pack stadium.

 

This is one of the oddest statements I've ever read on there - and it's populated by quite a few crazy fools!

 

Firstly, when, exactly did they sell out the 20,000 seater stadium[sic]? I can't remember them having done so since at least the prem years....

 

Secondly, how is it funny if our 32,000 seater stadium had a 'few empty seats'? We still sold an awful lot more than their 20,000

 

Finally, it's nice to see that they're keeping such a close eye on us, especially when they all claim they couldn't care less what the 'orrible skummas do as they mean fack all to them!

[dubai_phil]

No idea. I am in Poland, visiting FMDP's Grandmother, WHO lives in a forest and has Big ears. My Saints waterproof jacket has a red Hood. I have other worries today

 

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[The Kraken]

This is one of the oddest statements I've ever read on there - and it's populated by quite a few crazy fools!

 

Firstly, when, exactly did they sell out the 20,000 seater stadium[sic]? I can't remember them having done so since at least the prem years....

 

Secondly, how is it funny if our 32,000 seater stadium had a 'few empty seats'? We still sold an awful lot more than their 20,000

 

Finally, it's nice to see that they're keeping such a close eye on us, especially when they all claim they couldn't care less what the 'orrible skummas do as they mean fack all to them!

So they're resorting to blatant lies now then? I was at the Pompey v Bournemouth game, with a mate who is a scout. It was most definitely not sold out in the home end (as evidenced by a crowd of less than 18,000).

 

Our crowds have been disappointing IMO so far; but for a Pompey fan to use that to try and forge some oneupmanship over us is bizarre in the extreme.

[saint si]

I think they mean they sold out when they were in the prem.

[the colonel]

It is unreasonable because we believe it's our club, spiritually for want of a far better word, if not actually. I know most fans don't want a Phoenix club, we want the shysters who have used our club to their own ends gone. You seem to suggest we should run away? By backing the PST we believe we can take back what is ours and drive these crooks out, we don't have a super rich benefactor waiting in the wings and even if we did, most wouldn't want it.

 

Everyone I speak to is dead set on making it so the club actually belongs to us. We dont want to be at the whim of some foreign corporate types who make decisions like Changing the clubs historic colours and mistreating your own club legends. I mean don't you think NC is taking the p*ss? Who gave him the right to f*ck with your soul/history/culture??? If we have the opportunity to take control of our club so egotistical *****s like NC can't run roughshod over what the fans want, would you not take control? Would you not do exactly the same thing in the same situation? I guess not.

 

But we will buy our club and it will be ours not just in name, but actual ownership. So when I say MY club, unlike you, it will be actually true and not just an expression. Now that's really something to look forward too!

 

 

Do you really believe this drivel? So when (if) you end up owning it who are you going to lie, cheat and steal from in the true traditions of PFC....even you own council are backing down?

[Dellman]

Excuse me...how is 31,600 or whatever it was 'dispponting' for the last match?

[The Kraken]

Excuse me...how is 31,600 or whatever it was 'dispponting' for the last match?

 

Because it was against Manchester United, and there were plenty of empty seats (particularly in the corporate areas). With all the talk of a new, bigger stadium its disappointing in that we can't even sell out the current stadium against probably the biggest draw in English football.

[Baldsaint]

I think they mean they sold out when they were in the prem.

 

Which is a lie, they averaged 18,249 in their relegation season. Now if no away fans turned up for the whole campaign, which I doubt, they couldn't have sold all the home seats all season. I know they couldn't sell out for Chelsea. They averaged over 20,000 only twice in the prem, their first two seasons up there.

 

FWIW we averaged 30,609 in our relegation season, 11th best in the league

[Verbal Kint]

Because it was against Manchester United, and there were plenty of empty seats (particularly in the corporate areas). With all the talk of a new, bigger stadium its disappointing in that we can't even sell out the current stadium against probably the biggest draw in English football.

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/two-games-sell-out-339280.aspx

[The Kraken]

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/two-games-sell-out-339280.aspx

 

Which is why I said "particularly in the corporate areas", which quite obviously were not sold out. There were also undeniably empty seats in non-corporate areas, despite regular seats being apparently sold out a couple of weeks in advance.

[holepuncture]

PFC will never be cleansed until you fans cut away from the rotten egg it is now. The shell on the outside looks plausible but as soon as you cut down into it the smell is unbearable.

I understand the trepidation of not having FP, but after a couple of years you settle in elsewhere and you find that as home. If you really have faith in your cities support and togetherness there is nothing to worry about, but deepdown you know as soon as the club is playing in the conference or lower, the band of merry bellringers (the modern day Morris-dancers) will disappear and follow anther team. It is the league status that holds you together and you will grab hold and even push mothers and children out of the lifeboat to get in.

 

PMSL, what a beautiful piece of poetry.

 

The pompey spin and plucky bravado continues yet not a penny pledged has been layed on the table...

 

as we race through september and the children need new school uniforms, calculators and backpacks I fear brave pledgees priorities may be challenged. The heating will be going back on soon and the christmas adverts cant be far away now.

 

Im sure TCWTB would like nothing more, but I doubt little Johnny will appreciate an xmas card from mick williams of the trust thanking him for his pledge, and that he now owns a business card with a reference number on it rather than the iPad he wanted.

 

 

But lets not forget about the real hero here, Balram Chainrai... I tried to re-watch an old "Sky Sports News Special Report" earlier which Bryan Swanson interviews Chinny and the like. IIRC it is the program that quotes SOCA, serious organised crime agency confirming "they can neither confirm nor deny they are investigating PFC"...

 

... recording interupted

 

talk to me chinny boy, why have you had the program pulled?

[SaintBobby]

Because it was against Manchester United, and there were plenty of empty seats (particularly in the corporate areas). With all the talk of a new, bigger stadium its disappointing in that we can't even sell out the current stadium against probably the biggest draw in English football.

 

Seems to me a logistical problem. There were plenty of people outside seeking to buy tickets.

 

I'm sure we could have sold many, many thousands more. But for reasons which partly escape me - there seem to be a few hundred seats that just didn't make it to market.

Edited 9 September, 2012 by SaintBobby

[sidthesquid]

BUT YOU CAN DO THAT.

 

Start from REALITY.

 

PST Statement - This club is screwed. It has been screwed, it cheated and iied. Now we need to SURVIVE.

 

That one word - The MOST important issue for "Your Club" right now is to SURVIVE. FFS tell your Churchills with small penis problems to STOP talking about being competitive. The entire mind set is still WRONG. The rallying cry should not be Competitive it should be about bringing your kids to build a long term future buy our shirts with pride to SAVE the club.

 

Who gives a crap if you get relegated this season - you have an excuse -10. What you need is TIME to regroup, TIME to build something from scratch from the left over bones of the rotting carcass. PLAY THE BLOODY KIDS - you will need them NEXT season and they will have experience, but instead you keep wasting cash that you need for your future on journeymen for 30 days. THAT IS WHAT IS STILL WRONG

 

JUST STOP with pretenting to be "A BIG CLUB" you are on your knees, the fans can save it, but you still don't understand SURVIVE first.

 

To Survive you HAVE to repent - you HAVE to understand that you are in a different ball game.

 

But you won't so we'll just keep enjoying Comedy Night

 

You are absolutely right - it is about survival, nothing more. And their inability to see that as they pursue being 'competitive' is what makes it such good comedy.

Watching their youngsters getting turned over week after week would move from funny to uncomfortable to embarrasing and sad quite quickly.

Watching a bunch of overpaid underperformers doing the same (as we have watched for the last 3 years) is undeniably funny - it's the same sort of cringeworthy delusion of grandeur that is the basis for much British humour - think Fawlty, Hyacynth Bucket, Harold Steptoe, Hancock etc etc.

And until they collectively get the stupidity of outbidding their immediate rivals, even if only for a month at a time, as the club goes down the Swannee around them we will continue to laugh at them.

[dubai_phil]

No idea. I am in Poland, visiting FMDP's Grandmother, WHO lives in a forest and has Big ears. My Saints waterproof jacket has a red Hood. I have other worries today

 

Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

 

Apologies that was for Florida's al Fahim question a page ago. Will look when home nxt week. Update from the forest FMDP's uncle has a daughter. My what Big .... s you have seems to have been as wrong a thing to day ad CSI are the Real deal. Oops

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[chocco boxo]

Crawley v Skates our last match v Man utd says it all.

[PhilippineSaint]

Crawley v Skates our last match v Man utd says it all.

 

Thats their second closest away match so lets see how many of the bestest turn up?

Edited 9 September, 2012 by PhilippineSaint
cant spell

[SaintBobby]

It's been quiet on this thread.

 

So, can I ask a few questions to try and get things going in the run-up to Birch's deadline day?

 

1. The council have effectively withdrawn their £1.45m loan to the trust bid, right?

2. The trust haven't collected in any of their £1K pledges yet - so their bid would still be on a wing and a prayer, with some vague hope of 75-90% collection rate?

3. Portpin will ensure that they can outbid the Trust by £1 or more?

4. Birch will have to liquidate the club on Friday or transfer it to Portpin unless the Trust pull a huge rabbit out of a tiny hat?

[PhilippineSaint]

It's been quiet on this thread.

 

So, can I ask a few questions to try and get things going in the run-up to Birch's deadline day?

 

1. The council have effectively withdrawn their £1.45m loan to the trust bid, right?

2. The trust haven't collected in any of their £1K pledges yet - so their bid would still be on a wing and a prayer, with some vague hope of 75-90% collection rate?

3. Portpin will ensure that they can outbid the Trust by £1 or more?

4. Birch will have to liquidate the club on Friday or transfer it to Portpin unless the Trust pull a huge rabbit out of a tiny hat?

 

1: That is the general consensus of PCC terms and conditions.

2: Somebody did say that they had collected some of the 100 pound pledges and maybe something from the super duper business pledges (not sure about this one though)

3: If Portpin dont outbid by more than the trust bid he should liquidate but at that point the council could step back in and loan the trust the 1.45m loan and they could possibly take charge.

4:Point 3 may be the big white thumper that the trust are looking for?

[hypochondriac]

Hi everyone. Just returned from holiday and what an eventful week! As I understand it, birch could decide to go with the trust if he considers it more likely to get the return of investment but that will definitely be challenged in the court. Unless chinny gets the club it is going to be long and protracted probably till the end of the year and beyond.

 

As for bill, all I can say is you reap what you say. He banned me twice for no reason (though I'm still on there) and threatened to tell everyone my identity despite having the wrong person so he deserves everything he gets.