Pompey Takeover Saga

[PES]

Putting things really simply. If Pompey fans buy their club out of administration, why didn't Saints fans look to do the same when their club was in administration? Didn't that generous Swiss bloke buy you out of it at the very last minute, coming from nowhere? I'm not supprised that a few thousand of you turn out annually to celebrate him! But for me the big question is why were saints fans prepared to let their debt ridden club die? I cannot fathom it? For all the ill's of football and Pompey is one of the sickest puppies, how could a true fan let it die? It's like family, you cant turn your back on it. Of course I realise clearly Saints fans see things differently, but I don't understand why? I wouldn't want to be in the metaphorical trenches with any gutless types with the prevailing attitude to your own displayed on here.

 

Swansea is 20% fans owned and are a fantastic admirable club, Exeter are fan owned and I admire them greatly. Pompey are in administration, on life support. The fans will not pull the plug on their club. Hopefully we can emulate a few of the clubs who are still left to be admired. You lot got into debt, did nothing about out and but for the inexplicable grace of a poorly man who wanted a last minute play thing, would not even be here.

 

Pompey fans are looking to pay off debts with OUR OWN MONEY, WHO paid off your debts after your mad scramble spending money you didnt have to get back into the Premiership at the first time of asking? ANY of you lot? ........Didn't think so, so stop taking the moral highground by proxy, Marcus Liebherr has my respect, Saints fans who stood around pathetically watching their club die with their hands in their pockets sure dont. "This is why the country goes to war out of Portsmouth", as our late, great manager Bally once said.

[Tokyo-Saint]

It's just PR Jamie, he's a Saints fan.

 

I have met him, it was a long time ago, maybe 2001, he told me he was a saints fan but rangers were his 2nd team. We took the **** for a bit as I like Celtic but then talked about saints. If he says he is not a saints fan now, he is lying.

 

Wade Elliot is also a saints fan, went to school with him and used to go to the dell with him. Both similar ages, both from Eastleigh, both saints fans.

[a1ex2001]

This raises the question of whether Birch would be allowing such signings, even for a month , if he were really about to liquidate.

 

Your crediting hims with a sense of propriety which he has already demonstrated he lacks in abundance, somehting happens to people when they get involved in that club!

[suewhistle]

I'm really proud of the fans efforts to save Portsmouth. If we can pull it off (and I say 'we' loosely as apart from chucking in 1k, I have done very little) it will be amazing.

 

Congratulations on putting your money where you mouth is. I was going to comment at more length but everything has already been pointed out. It's the nature of the efforts, not their existance, that we've been commenting on here. If you can't pull it off - and that includes failure within the Pompey biennial administration cycle - will there be any impetus for an "AFC" approach.

 

If it were me I wouldn't want my 1k paying off past debts - many of dubious provenance; I'd want it as an investment in the future. At the moment it's just throwing good money after bad, or in gambling terms, chasing your losses.

[alpine_saint]

"This is why the country goes to war out of Portsmouth", as our late, great manager Bally once said.

 

 

During the Falklands all the soldiers that did the fighting left from Southampton.

 

Your boys just sat on their ships waiting for the Exocets.

[Dellman]

No move for fans to buy Saints was made because we were told that Pinnacle led by MLT was a serious buyer, who was going to try and oppose Tiss? In fact it turned out he was taken for a mug but another was waiting ...we were a good investment, can't say the same about poor Pompey

[Depressed of Shirley]

Putting things really simply. If Pompey fans buy their club out of administration, why didn't Saints fans look to do the same when their club was in administration? Didn't that generous Swiss bloke buy you out of it at the very last minute, coming from nowhere? I'm not supprised that a few thousand of you turn out annually to celebrate him! But for me the big question is why were saints fans prepared to let their debt ridden club die? I cannot fathom it? For all the ill's of football and Pompey is one of the sickest puppies, how could a true fan let it die? It's like family, you cant turn your back on it. Of course I realise clearly Saints fans see things differently, but I don't understand why? I wouldn't want to be in the metaphorical trenches with any gutless types with the prevailing attitude to your own displayed on here.

 

Brilliant PES, apart from one small detail. As soon as we went into admin, there were a large number, 30+ interested parties. Of those there were three that wanted to go the whole way and buy the club. These three, including markus, and the mad bloke who lived with his mum in Harrow had put together full proposals before any fans had a chance to buy the club. This was because we had some infrastructure that was worth something.

 

To enable us to come out of admin without a CVA, we needed to do a deal with those we owed money to. This was a number a bit smaller than the 75 pages of creditors you shafted, and did not include HMRC or other football clubs. However, it did mean Barclays and Aviva. From very early on, the administrator made it clear that the club would be taken over, and as a result the fans did not need to devise a plan to start again in the Wessex League.

 

In the end, we probably did come close to going out of business, but this was down to the poor judgement of the administrator, rather than the fact that noone wanted ther club. He chose an undefunded Walter Mitty as preferred bidder, as opposed to a Swiss based Billionaire.

 

If for a minute we had thought that the club would not be bought, we would have tried to raise the cash. In fact the fund raising had bearly started when Liebherr took over.

 

We were lucky to attract who we did, but we did attract buyers because we were not the financial basket case you lot were and are.

 

Best of luck with your failing bid, giving all the money to Chinny to rent back the dump is going to hurt a lot.

[alpine_saint]

No move for fans to buy Saints was made because we were told that Pinnacle led by MLT was a serious buyer, who was going to try and oppose Tiss? In fact it turned out he was taken for a mug but another was waiting ...we were a good investment, can't say the same about poor Pompey

 

Yep, big catchment area, great youth set-up, great stadium. Pity the radio station and the catering the envy of the Premiership was already gone, but WTF we were still a good investment.

[alpine_saint]

Brilliant PES, apart from one small detail. As soon as we went into admin, there were a large number, 30+ interested parties. Of those there were three that wanted to go the whole way and buy the club. These three, including markus, and the mad bloke who lived with his mum in Harrow had put together full proposals before any fans had a chance to buy the club. This was because we had some infrastructure that was worth something.

 

To enable us to come out of admin without a CVA, we needed to do a deal with those we owed money to. This was a number a bit smaller than the 75 pages of creditors you shafted, and did not include HMRC or other football clubs. However, it did mean Barclays and Aviva. From very early on, the administrator made it clear that the club would be taken over, and as a result the fans did not need to devise a plan to start again in the Wessex League.

 

In the end, we probably did come close to going out of business, but this was down to the poor judgement of the administrator, rather than the fact that noone wanted ther club. He chose an undefunded Walter Mitty as preferred bidder, as opposed to a Swiss based Billionaire.

 

If for a minute we had thought that the club would not be bought, we would have tried to raise the cash. In fact the fund raising had bearly started when Liebherr took over.

 

We were lucky to attract who we did, but we did attract buyers because we were not the financial basket case you lot were and are.

 

Best of luck with your failing bid, giving all the money to Chinny to rent back the dump is going to hurt a lot.

 

Superb.

[trousers]

Putting things really simply. If Pompey fans buy their club out of administration, why didn't Saints fans look to do the same when their club was in administration? Didn't that generous Swiss bloke buy you out of it at the very last minute, coming from nowhere? I'm not supprised that a few thousand of you turn out annually to celebrate him! But for me the big question is why were saints fans prepared to let their debt ridden club die? I cannot fathom it? For all the ill's of football and Pompey is one of the sickest puppies, how could a true fan let it die? It's like family, you cant turn your back on it. Of course I realise clearly Saints fans see things differently, but I don't understand why? I wouldn't want to be in the metaphorical trenches with any gutless types with the prevailing attitude to your own displayed on here.

 

Swansea is 20% fans owned and are a fantastic admirable club, Exeter are fan owned and I admire them greatly. Pompey are in administration, on life support. The fans will not pull the plug on their club. Hopefully we can emulate a few of the clubs who are still left to be admired. You lot got into debt, did nothing about out and but for the inexplicable grace of a poorly man who wanted a last minute play thing, would not even be here.

 

Pompey fans are looking to pay off debts with OUR OWN MONEY, WHO paid off your debts after your mad scramble spending money you didnt have to get back into the Premiership at the first time of asking? ANY of you lot? ........Didn't think so, so stop taking the moral highground by proxy, Marcus Liebherr has my respect, Saints fans who stood around pathetically watching their club die with their hands in their pockets sure dont. "This is why the country goes to war out of Portsmouth", as our late, great manager Bally once said.

 

[suewhistle]

That's another thing we have to counter constantly: the idea that two different things called "administration" were anything like the same beyond the name. My (and others') notional thousand pounds would have actually made a difference, Aviva were prepared to take a small hit on the mortgage (they'd already made on the deal) and there was considerable asset backing. How many times to we have to point out these differences?

[Kingsland Codger]

Putting things really simply. If Pompey fans buy their club out of administration, why didn't Saints fans look to do the same when their club was in administration? Didn't that generous Swiss bloke buy you out of it at the very last minute, coming from nowhere? I'm not supprised that a few thousand of you turn out annually to celebrate him! But for me the big question is why were saints fans prepared to let their debt ridden club die? I cannot fathom it? For all the ill's of football and Pompey is one of the sickest puppies, how could a true fan let it die? It's like family, you cant turn your back on it. Of course I realise clearly Saints fans see things differently, but I don't understand why? I wouldn't want to be in the metaphorical trenches with any gutless types with the prevailing attitude to your own displayed on here.

 

Brilliant PES, apart from one small detail. As soon as we went into admin, there were a large number, 30+ interested parties. Of those there were three that wanted to go the whole way and buy the club. These three, including markus, and the mad bloke who lived with his mum in Harrow had put together full proposals before any fans had a chance to buy the club. This was because we had some infrastructure that was worth something.

 

To enable us to come out of admin without a CVA, we needed to do a deal with those we owed money to. This was a number a bit smaller than the 75 pages of creditors you shafted, and did not include HMRC or other football clubs. However, it did mean Barclays and Aviva. From very early on, the administrator made it clear that the club would be taken over, and as a result the fans did not need to devise a plan to start again in the Wessex League.

 

In the end, we probably did come close to going out of business, but this was down to the poor judgement of the administrator, rather than the fact that noone wanted ther club. He chose an undefunded Walter Mitty as preferred bidder, as opposed to a Swiss based Billionaire.

 

If for a minute we had thought that the club would not be bought, we would have tried to raise the cash. In fact the fund raising had bearly started when Liebherr took over.

 

We were lucky to attract who we did, but we did attract buyers because we were not the financial basket case you lot were and are.

 

Best of luck with your failing bid, giving all the money to Chinny to rent back the dump is going to hurt a lot.

 

Don't you just love the sound of a sweetly struck six being hit high-and-handsome straight back over the bowler's head and way beyond the pavilion.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

PES - if it wasn't for the Parachute payments the Pompey life support machine would have been switched off months and months ago and the trust would never have had time to think about a plan let alone put together a bid. Pompey have been extremely lucky to be in the first wave of relegated clubs getting the improved 4-year parachute payments. If your collapse had come a year or two earlier you'd currently be following AFC Pompey in non-league.

[derry]

Putting things really simply. If Pompey fans buy their club out of administration, why didn't Saints fans look to do the same when their club was in administration? Didn't that generous Swiss bloke buy you out of it at the very last minute, coming from nowhere? I'm not supprised that a few thousand of you turn out annually to celebrate him! But for me the big question is why were saints fans prepared to let their debt ridden club die? I cannot fathom it? For all the ill's of football and Pompey is one of the sickest puppies, how could a true fan let it die? It's like family, you cant turn your back on it. Of course I realise clearly Saints fans see things differently, but I don't understand why? I wouldn't want to be in the metaphorical trenches with any gutless types with the prevailing attitude to your own displayed on here.

 

Swansea is 20% fans owned and are a fantastic admirable club, Exeter are fan owned and I admire them greatly. Pompey are in administration, on life support. The fans will not pull the plug on their club. Hopefully we can emulate a few of the clubs who are still left to be admired. You lot got into debt, did nothing about out and but for the inexplicable grace of a poorly man who wanted a last minute play thing, would not even be here.

 

Pompey fans are looking to pay off debts with OUR OWN MONEY, WHO paid off your debts after your mad scramble spending money you didnt have to get back into the Premiership at the first time of asking? ANY of you lot? ........Didn't think so, so stop taking the moral highground by proxy, Marcus Liebherr has my respect, Saints fans who stood around pathetically watching their club die with their hands in their pockets sure dont. "This is why the country goes to war out of Portsmouth", as our late, great manager Bally once said.

 

The SOS group received over £1m in pledges but was always a back up. However despite the blue chip Liebherr bid, for some reason despite using borrowed deposit money the Pinnacle bid was given preferred status. A lot of time was lost but SFC continued to trade out of administration with contributions from Leon Crouch, then by selling players. Thankfully in the end the Pinnacle bid collapsed, immediately Markus Liebherr and Nicola Cortese stepped in and bought the club. The SOS group had met with club directors, politicians and councillors who had indicated the possibility and short time scale needed for the City Council to buy St Mary's. The Pinnacle bid used up so much time that it is unlikely that a rescue could have been completed. Owning Staplewood, the 41 acre Jackson's Farm at Hedge End, a stadium that Aviva had placed a £7m asking price on with about £2m other debts and a solvent football club was an attractive proposition.

 

In the event the approx £14m to buy the assets and pay off all the debts of SLH was a good deal. The football club avoided going into administration and so continued to trade and paid it's debts. Any guesses what it is worth now? This year the total outlay together with the further investment by Markus Liebherr amounting to £33m was converted into equity making the club debt free.

[trousers]

PES - if it wasn't for the Parachute payments the Pompey life support machine would have been switched off months and months ago and the trust would never have had time to think about a plan let alone put together a bid. Pompey have been extremely lucky to be in the first wave of relegated clubs getting the improved 4-year parachute payments. If your collapse had come a year or two earlier you'd currently be following AFC Pompey in non-league.

 

Not forgetting they've had two administrations in two years which has given them plenty of practice.

[badgerx16]

 

During the Falklands all the soldiers that did the fighting left from Southampton.

 

 

It goes all the way back to Henry V setting out for the french campaign that finished at Agincourt.

[Wes Tender]

Putting things really simply. If Pompey fans buy their club out of administration, why didn't Saints fans look to do the same when their club was in administration?

 

Putting the reply really simply, (so that you will be able to understand it) there was debate about fans forming a trust to buy the club if the worst came to the worst. But whilst we were in administration, there was activity mooted by various interested parties to buy us. We had Walter Mitty characters, as have you, but then again, we had hints of serious buyers being interested, unlike you. Strange as it might seem to you, we were a very good business proposition with our stadium, academy, training ground, Jackson's Farm etc. Unfortunately your club isn't. Do you see the difference?

 

Didn't that generous Swiss bloke buy you out of it at the very last minute, coming from nowhere? I'm not supprised that a few thousand of you turn out annually to celebrate him! But for me the big question is why were saints fans prepared to let their debt ridden club die? I cannot fathom it? For all the ill's of football and Pompey is one of the sickest puppies, how could a true fan let it die? It's like family, you cant turn your back on it. Of course I realise clearly Saints fans see things differently, but I don't understand why? I wouldn't want to be in the metaphorical trenches with any gutless types with the prevailing attitude to your own displayed on here.

Yes, ML seemed to come out the blue, 11th hour. But he had made enquiries earlier and his takeover had been delayed by Fry wasting time on the Pinnacle bid. But most of us were still confident that had not ML taken us over, somebody else would have stepped in. I repeat; we were a saleable commodity. You lot aren't, you're a basket case, where the only alternatives are a Hong Kong loan shark, or the Keystone Cop outfit that is your Trust - or maybe the Trust in conjunction with property developers, a peculiar variation of the species apparently, one only interested in what is good for the club, rather than what they can get out of it.

 

As for your absurd little rant about us being prepared to watch our club die, we dropped down to the third division and still maintained strong attendances. Personally, I would have still attended and supported the club had we been liquidated and started at the very foot of the pyramid. So don't try and paint us as gutless fair weather supporters.

 

Swansea is 20% fans owned and are a fantastic admirable club, Exeter are fan owned and I admire them greatly. Pompey are in administration, on life support. The fans will not pull the plug on their club. Hopefully we can emulate a few of the clubs who are still left to be admired. You lot got into debt, did nothing about out and but for the inexplicable grace of a poorly man who wanted a last minute play thing, would not even be here.

 

Perhaps Swansea and Exeter fans are willing to club together to run part or all of their clubs because they can see that their money invested in their clubs is well spent and achieves the ends they want. To that end, they have had a far better take-up than you Skates have managed. And I thought that you lot had the best fans in the land. Or could it be that your take-up of donations towards saving your club is lessened because some of the more intelligent Skates (an oxymoron, I know) realise that they might as well just chuck their money straight down the drain, that it would only be delaying the inevitable for a few more months anyway?

 

And were you aware that ML had health issues that meant that he only had a year or two to live? You are obviously better informed than me. I had no idea, until seeing pictures of him some time after his takeover where he appeared to look a bit jaundiced.

 

Pompey fans are looking to pay off debts with OUR OWN MONEY, WHO paid off your debts after your mad scramble spending money you didnt have to get back into the Premiership at the first time of asking? ANY of you lot? ........Didn't think so, so stop taking the moral highground by proxy, Marcus Liebherr has my respect, Saints fans who stood around pathetically watching their club die with their hands in their pockets sure dont. "This is why the country goes to war out of Portsmouth", as our late, great manager Bally once said.

 

It really is delicious, the irony of you preaching about the moral high ground at us. I don't recall us owing a penny to local charities, the tax man, or local businesses.

 

As for standing around with our hands in our pockets, we had bucket collections, organised marches in protest against Lowe and Wilde and also some with the highest principles boycotted the club until they were gone. So don't talk to us about morality. Many of us realised that ultimately a boycott would force the club over the brink and that although administration was a gamble, the likelihood would be that somebody else would take us over and rid us of Lowe, Wilde, Askham, Richards, and all the other dross attached to us. I suspect that there is an element of your fan base that is currently boycotting you until the likes of Chainrai is gone. That might account for your falling attendances, but I don't see you or anybody else mentioning it as an effective weapon to bring about change, a reason to claim that you lot have principles. And although you wring your hands and cry crocodile tears about the succession of crooks who owned you, I don't recall any protests against them. So who's gutless? But then, if you had principles, you lot would not have countenanced charities being defrauded and you would have deemed it a priority to make that right.

 

And Ball, who was also a player for us and a good manager here too, got it a bit wrong. The majority of soldiers who left to fight in the Second World War, went out from Southampton.

[Doctoroncall]

Putting things really simply.

 

Administration isn't a simple matter, this may be why we joke about the Trust bid, even if it is well intended.

 

If Pompey fans buy their club out of administration, why didn't Saints fans look to do the same when their club was in administration?

 

The club was not in administration, it was only the parent company hence the administrator beating his chest on the legal injustice failing to recognise a members club could impose sanctions as the see fit.

 

Didn't that generous Swiss bloke buy you out of it at the very last minute, coming from nowhere?

 

Incorrect, he was in the race but the administrator was taken in by the MLT fronted consortium.

 

I'm not supprised that a few thousand of you turn out annually to celebrate him! But for me the big question is why were saints fans prepared to let their debt ridden club die? I cannot fathom it? For all the ill's of football and Pompey is one of the sickest puppies, how could a true fan let it die? It's like family, you cant turn your back on it. Of course I realise clearly Saints fans see things differently, but I don't understand why?

 

From the time the parent company were known to be in trouble, only a few months passed to when administration finally arrived, and when it did the administrator acknowledged 30+ interested parties. Not quite the scenario were a fans bid would be successful.

 

I wouldn't want to be in the metaphorical trenches with any gutless types with the prevailing attitude to your own displayed on here.

 

 

Swansea is 20% fans owned and are a fantastic admirable club, Exeter are fan owned and I admire them greatly. Pompey are in administration, on life support. The fans will not pull the plug on their club. Hopefully we can emulate a few of the clubs who are still left to be admired.

 

Well if you want to be admired, start from scratch, build a decent club from the bottom, the way AFC Wimbledon and FCUM have rather than trying to cling on to something that gives you a head start to try and make it easier. Where is this fighting in the trench attitude suddenly disappeared to?

 

You lot got into debt, did nothing about out.

 

The debt was being paid back, Barclays cut the overdraft, Lowe was performing his financial obligations until that point. The way he didn't wasn't nice but at least the effort was there with selling the high earners, loaning those players unable to sell and a high proportion of the youth team became the first team. When it went t!ts up there were further player sales in the summer, fan funding and High Net Individuals also contributed to keeping SFC going.

 

but for the inexplicable grace of a poorly man who wanted a last minute play thing, would not even be here.

 

As said before it wasn't last minute and he saw some value in SFC which has been realised, as he has turned his loan to equity and the value of the club exceeds what he has invested.

 

 

Pompey fans are looking to pay off debts with OUR OWN MONEY,

 

Which debts; CVA1, football related, CVA2, BC's secured debt, all of it?

 

WHO paid off your debts after your mad scramble spending money you didnt have to get back into the Premiership at the first time of asking? ANY of you lot? ........Didn't think so

 

See above, so don't assume anything, but you yourself admitted to not doing anything bar putting in your pledge to save PFC, so I shouldn't expect much fact finding or analysis here.

 

so stop taking the moral highground by proxy, Marcus Liebherr has my respect, Saints fans who stood around pathetically watching their club die with their hands in their pockets sure dont. "This is why the country goes to war out of Portsmouth", as our late, great manager Bally once said.

 

[lifeintheslowlane]

Why do these deluded people keep coming back, digging a hole for themselves, thanks for filling the hole in lads. I don't think there is anything of PES's arguments left to view, just pat the earth down to make it tidy.

[alpine_saint]

It goes all the way back to Henry V setting out for the french campaign that finished at Agincourt.

 

Yeah, but my comment about the Exocets wasnt called for - sorry to any ex-navy types that knew deceased from Sheffield, Atlantic conveyor or Glamorgan. The skate tw*t just got to me with his hubris.

[View From The Top]

Thick skate in deluded fuc.kwit shocker!

[Gingeletiss]

Pompey fans are looking to pay off debts with OUR OWN MONEY, /QUOTE]

 

What a larf, your own money huh! the trust has encouraged most of these poor saps to take out loans, for the magical £1000. So as well as begging the local council for a LOAN , the basis of the pledges to run the trust are ummmm! LOANS. Now don't get me wrong, but isn't this the reason of your demise, borrowing money?

[rallyboy]

is Ho rewriting history again?....and I thought he was outed as a retaliation for his own action...

And PES rewriting history too, bless! - a pattern is emerging.

 

 

I did chuckle at his claim that pompey fans are trying to pay off the debts.

Haven't see that claim anywhere before, I could have sworn that they are trying to write off the majority, pay a pittance and pretend nothing has happened - business as usual in portsmyth - just gloss over the facts.

 

 

 

If my team had suffered a downward swing of 70 league places against our bitter rivals in the time it takes Appy to barbecue 12 squirrels, I'd keep a low profile.

I certainly wouldn't be giving it large with arguments that a slightly backward six-year-old could dismiss.

 

Why will they not accept reality?

It must be that great wartime pompey spirit that saw the Canberra sail past the Round Tower en route to the Falklands.

 

 

 

 

Just admit that it's gone pear-shaped and win back some street cred - that's why Mack gets no respect for his grammar but plenty for his spirit - he can see the big picture, he understands - he just can't express it very well.

 

 

 

 

Bally - great player, unreliable historian.

[Minty]

Depressed of Shirley, Wes Tender, rallyboy... good work chaps.

 

Simple, effective, and no doubt soon to be completely ignored by PES, Ho and co in search of their next 'come back'.

[OldNick]

Depressed of Shirley, Wes Tender, rallyboy... good work chaps.

 

Simple, effective, and no doubt soon to be completely ignored by PES, Ho and co in search of their next 'come back'.

Ho did that whole piece because he knew someone would post it on here and his memory lives on Lol.

Some of what he says is true, we did not like playing 2nd fiddle to them, afterall we had been top dogs for 30 or more years and so it comes hard to see your neighbours doing well especially if you were in turmoil. I myself disliked the way they got to the position on the back of cheating. The FA cup etc can't be taken away but it would balance things if they suffered real football pain.

[Wes Tender]

 

that's why Mack gets no respect for his grammar but plenty for his spirit - he can see the big picture, he understands - he just can't express it very well.

 

There's just something I'm not sure of regarding Mack; is he really not that great when it comes to the grammatical aspects, or is he instead playing a blinder with a superb parody of a typical skate? As you say, he does get it, he understands the big picture and although he gets some stick from us, he takes it in good spirit and makes light of it. His sense of humour leads me to believe that he could indeed be playing to the gallery with a stereotypical parody of your average Skate fan, in which case I take my hat off to him. We have gone on their forums and pretended to be like that ourselves, so why shouldn't he do it on here as a way of gaining acceptance by us?

 

The end result though, is that you can feel sympathy for the likes of Mack for the downturn in his club's fortunes, but not for those Skates who somehow think that what we went through is somehow the same as what has brought them low.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

Ho did that whole piece because he knew someone would post it on here and his memory lives on Lol.

 

This. As I said earlier, Ho chose a self-ban from here after he embarrassed himself time and time again. He's too gutless to come back on here.

 

You are too gutless aren't you Ho?

[70's Mike]

Simple Pledges do not equal Cash in the Bank.

Suggest they keep quite until there is at least £1500000 in the Bank not on the back of an enevlope

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Putting things really simply. If Pompey fans buy their club out of administration, why didn't Saints fans look to do the same when their club was in administration? Didn't that generous Swiss bloke buy you out of it at the very last minute, coming from nowhere? I'm not supprised that a few thousand of you turn out annually to celebrate him! But for me the big question is why were saints fans prepared to let their debt ridden club die? I cannot fathom it? For all the ill's of football and Pompey is one of the sickest puppies, how could a true fan let it die? It's like family, you cant turn your back on it. Of course I realise clearly Saints fans see things differently, but I don't understand why? I wouldn't want to be in the metaphorical trenches with any gutless types with the prevailing attitude to your own displayed on here.

 

Brilliant PES, apart from one small detail. As soon as we went into admin, there were a large number, 30+ interested parties. Of those there were three that wanted to go the whole way and buy the club. These three, including markus, and the mad bloke who lived with his mum in Harrow had put together full proposals before any fans had a chance to buy the club. This was because we had some infrastructure that was worth something.

 

To enable us to come out of admin without a CVA, we needed to do a deal with those we owed money to. This was a number a bit smaller than the 75 pages of creditors you shafted, and did not include HMRC or other football clubs. However, it did mean Barclays and Aviva. From very early on, the administrator made it clear that the club would be taken over, and as a result the fans did not need to devise a plan to start again in the Wessex League.

 

In the end, we probably did come close to going out of business, but this was down to the poor judgement of the administrator, rather than the fact that noone wanted ther club. He chose an undefunded Walter Mitty as preferred bidder, as opposed to a Swiss based Billionaire.

 

If for a minute we had thought that the club would not be bought, we would have tried to raise the cash. In fact the fund raising had bearly started when Liebherr took over.

 

We were lucky to attract who we did, but we did attract buyers because we were not the financial basket case you lot were and are.

 

Best of luck with your failing bid, giving all the money to Chinny to rent back the dump is going to hurt a lot.

 

OI!! PES you thick nauseating ****, read this several times till you "get" it....then sod off because you are boring the s h i t e out of everyone with your crap

[Hatch]

'Arry back at Bournemouth according to twitter

[suewhistle]

The end result though, is that you can feel sympathy for the likes of Mack for the downturn in his club's fortunes, but not for those Skates who somehow think that what we went through is somehow the same as what has brought them low.

 

True, and I'm absolutely sure Mack is also having a bit of linguistic fun at our expense too, (speaking as an English as a Foreign Language teacher who has seen enough mangled language!). And who could blame him?

[Spudders]

There's just something I'm not sure of regarding Mack; is he really not that great when it comes to the grammatical aspects, or is he instead playing a blinder with a superb parody of a typical skate?.

 

Mack is indeed just playing the role of thick skate, all this poor grammer is something that's evolved in recent times. Back in the day (i think back in the saints web days) his spelling & wording was fine. As you say, he gets it, that doesn't happen to someone with the brain cells of a wet fish. I wish Mack posted on here more, he's great value, knows his stuff, isn't afraid to show up on here when things are going badly & mostly importantly doesn't take himself too seriously! I've mentioned it in Bearsys thread in site suggestions but I'll say here as well, I'd happily pay the fiver to make Mack a full member.

[Lord Duckhunter]

'Arry back at Bournemouth according to twitter

 

Advisor is the job title, brown envolopes at the ready f'sure.............

[trousers]

@Bizzle_8: @pn_neil_allen Joseph Cala has bought Italian major league side Calcio Lecco 1912 to 'get them to the Champions League' #Pompey #luckyescape

 

Yep...very lucky...you've landed on your feet after dodging Cala....

[Ken Tone]

'Arry back at Bournemouth according to twitter

 

 

Bournemouth have money now of course. Just a coincidence.

 

Personally I'm going to corner the market in brown envelopes before the rush.

[Chez]

Why do these deluded people keep coming back, digging a hole for themselves, thanks for filling the hole in lads. I don't think there is anything of PES's arguments left to view, just pat the earth down to make it tidy.

 

Except for the fact it was not the firsr time of asking it was the third season in the championship that we failed to cut back our cloth.

[PES]

The fact you lot want our 'rotting carcass' of a club to die tells me it's worth fighting for.

[biondani]

The fact you lot want our 'rotting carcass' of a club to die tells me it's worth fighting for.

 

Only want it to go in it's current form. I would quite happily say good luck to a phoenix team that denounced the past sins.

[Doctoroncall]

The fact you lot want our 'rotting carcass' of a club to die tells me it's worth fighting for.

 

Who said anything about want? You mentioned respect earlier. If you want the rotting carcass, you're welcome to it as it'll provide more amusing times for us with it's financial lodestone to who ever takes control.

[View From The Top]

The fact you lot want our 'rotting carcass' of a club to die tells me it's worth fighting for.

 

Yet we would, almost to a man, welcome a fan owned phoenix club as a worthy rival.

 

I'll let your simple mind work on that.

[KK the 2nd]

They've signed a gypsy?

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11674/8060050?

[trousers]

The fact you lot want our 'rotting carcass' of a club to die tells me it's worth fighting for.

 

But we want it to die because we think it'll be good for you in the long run. Carlsberg don't do rocket science, but if they did...

[Crab Lungs]

Another 5k Championship defender.

[Lazlo78]

The fact you lot want our 'rotting carcass' of a club to die tells me it's worth fighting for.

 

It's hardly a surprise that we won't reach consensus on the whole PFC saga. However, I think it's great that you come on here and offer your views as the arguments from various nutjobs are more credible when questioned. It's a shame about the whole POL situation where people can't even talk to each other anymore...

 

I don't wish for PFC to die. Living within your means in L1 or L2 until finances are truly there for a push towards the Championship seems fair. However, when your focus is on the beauty of fan ownership I have no doubts that you would be better off starting anew, using the considerable amounts pledged to the PST to kickstart a new, healthy club with no skeletons in the closet...

[St Chalet]

So to sum up. All these crazy hate filled Scummers would actually wish Pompey well, if they accepted that the current club is tainted by some pretty unsavoury acts and pledged to live within their means going forward.

 

You unreasonable Nutjobs you!

[PES]

So to sum up. All these crazy hate filled Scummers would actually wish Pompey well, if they accepted that the current club is tainted by some pretty unsavoury acts and pledged to live within their means going forward.

 

You unreasonable Nutjobs you!

 

It is unreasonable because we believe it's our club, spiritually for want of a far better word, if not actually. I know most fans don't want a Phoenix club, we want the shysters who have used our club to their own ends gone. You seem to suggest we should run away? By backing the PST we believe we can take back what is ours and drive these crooks out, we don't have a super rich benefactor waiting in the wings and even if we did, most wouldn't want it.

 

Everyone I speak to is dead set on making it so the club actually belongs to us. We dont want to be at the whim of some foreign corporate types who make decisions like Changing the clubs historic colours and mistreating your own club legends. I mean don't you think NC is taking the p*ss? Who gave him the right to f*ck with your soul/history/culture??? If we have the opportunity to take control of our club so egotistical *****s like NC can't run roughshod over what the fans want, would you not take control? Would you not do exactly the same thing in the same situation? I guess not.

 

But we will buy our club and it will be ours not just in name, but actual ownership. So when I say MY club, unlike you, it will be actually true and not just an expression. Now that's really something to look forward too!

[biondani]

And when we say your debts we mean they actually belong to you. The trust would be a good idea if the current debts could be paid. Better to liquidate and start within your means rather than jump from the frying pan right into the fire.

[suewhistle]

, we want the shysters who have used our club to their own ends gone. You seem to suggest we should run away? By backing the PST we believe we can take back what is ours and drive these crooks out,

 

Cazzo, it's like beating your head against a brick wall or, due to the odd mistake putting your head through a stud partition. Of course you want rid of the shysters: who wouldn't. What the analyses here have been pointing out is how far you are from ever achieving that, and some other weary Nutjob posters can have the job of again giving you chapter and verse.

 

You've been at the whim of foreign types for effing years and you've only just waken up to it? I think you'll find that although Saints fans don't like all that NC is doing we have utmost respect for his professionalism. But all that is irrelevant to the deep hole _you're_ in, and I think the general consensus here is that you are just digging yourselves further in. We've had Corp Ho on here time and time again going on about the latest rich benefactor (whose credibility was mostly demolished on here within half an hour ) so I suggest you go and have a chat with him about his misguided past...

[Tamesaint]

I know most fans don't want a Phoenix club, we want the shysters who have used our club to their own ends gone.

 

When I was 5 , I wanted it to be Christmas every day.

 

When I was 20 I wanted a 10 inch p e n i s.

 

When I was30 I wanted every horse that I backed to win.

 

Sometimes you have toaccept that you will not get what you want. The wish that Chanrai will just walk away and you will be left with a buoyant, financially stable club is as unrealistic as my wish that my p e n i s will shrink to 10 inches.

[Hockey_saint]

You see, what I don't understand is that the PST are quibbling about a Million pound a year rent for Krap Nottarf but in the big scheme of things? isn't that quite a low figure? you need a fair bit of dosh to buy players, pay players and that's going to cost them a shedload more than how much Saint Chanrai wants to charge them in rent.

 

Honestly, a blind fool can see that their figures just do not stack up. IF it was a club with very minimal amounts of debt, maybe mediums sized, then yes, a supporters trust buyout may be feasible but debt the scale of Pompey's the facilities they don't have, the JCL fans they don't have? the money they haven't collected yet, the loan which has more strings than a guitar shop? Really, with all this, I mean all this how can they seem so for the idea?

 

It's ludicris, it's insane, they need money to kick off, they need money to carry on running as a football club, they need MORE money to buy players and become, As UnAppy so loves to point out, be competitive....where's it all coming from? loans? MORE debt; are they aware that you need a certain credit level before you are allowed to take out a reasonable loan? or are they going to strap their potless council with more debt which will then be passed on to everyone in the PO district whether they are a pompey fan or not?

 

And the worst thing is, it's like the emporer's new clothes over there, not a single pompey fan that I've spoken to or sen has the cajones to say "none of this works, it's not viable, it cannot and simply will not work".

 

....Still WTFILN eh?