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dvaughanwilliams

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This is Pompey we're talking about, what do you think the likelihood of that is?

 

Still, a 36 year old who has been a bit part player for League 2 and Conference teams for the last 3 or 4 seasons isn't exactly going to turn them into world beaters.

 

I do understand the lack of justice in allowing him to play, though.

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So, their 22 person squad - without triallists - and with the U-18s (who have their own fixtures) is going to be something like

 

Eastwood, Da Costa;

 

Magri, Grant, Butler, Warren, Medway, Whatmough, Triggs;

 

Colson, Wallace, Maloney, Awford, Branford, Kim, Close, Hartson;

 

Higgins, D.Thompson, Tarbuck, Horsburgh, Field.

 

Whoooooooooo the fuuuuuuucking hell are yooooooooooooouuuu...?

 

And Ashley Westwood, player-coach, non-Portsmouth player, presumably on a non-contract playing basis. It appears they might be able to "sign" non-contract players somehow, which is just a tad dubious as signing anyone under embargo just isn't allowed.

 

I would lol heartily if they got fined / points deducted for fielding an ineligible player/players. :)

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Mr Allen getting rattled again I see...

 

Neil Allen ‏@pn_neil_allen First-team coach Ashley Westwood set to feature for #Pompey tomorrow. Him, Eastwood and nine 17/18 year olds expected line-up at Plymouth.

Adam Jordan ‏@AdamJordan23 @pn_neil_allen joke club as stated before!!

 

Neil Allen ‏@pn_neil_allen

@AdamJordan23 A 'joke club' who you continue to follow and comment on. Oh and have won a trophy more recently than Arsenal.

 

Neil Allen ‏@pn_neil_allen

@AdamJordan23 Yep that day winning at Wembley, Sol Campbell hoisting the cup aloft. Do you still remember days like that? Probably forgotten

 

Jonny Barrett ‏@BarrettJonny

@AdamJordan23 @pn_neil_allen Just checking is it Arsenal or #Pompey who have won a major trophy more recently?

 

Daz ‏@DazChop

@AdamJordan23 @pn_neil_allen you should keep count of these trolls Neil.

 

Neil Allen ‏@pn_neil_allen

@DazChop @AdamJordan23 This guy's okay, he's helping me reminisce over winning trophies. Well it's actually a little one-sided

 

:facepalm:

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dvaughanwilliams

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And Ashley Westwood, player-coach, non-Portsmouth player, presumably on a non-contract playing basis. It appears they might be able to "sign" non-contract players somehow, which is just a tad dubious as signing anyone under embargo just isn't allowed.

 

I would lol heartily if they got fined / points deducted for fielding an ineligible player/players. :)

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We’re also talking to the Football League to see if there’s any additional support that they can give us until the ownership situation is resolved.
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Matthew Le God

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It is one rule for 71 clubs in the Football League, another rule for Pompey. For example AFC Bournemouth when under a transfer embargo weren't allowed by the Football League to sign Steve Lovell when he offered to play for free. Why should Portsmouth be treated differently to other clubs in the same situation?

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You have to admire PFC for their cunning and their balls to try anything to bypass, exploit loopholes in and sidstep the rules and regulations being imposed on them.

 

Think that'll be yet another email to the FL and most likely yet antother standard response me thinks!

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Tamesaint

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Me too. Every time I read it I get more depressed.

 

I'm about to reach my 1000th visit and I'm positively suicidal.

 

Depressed?? I think this is all highly amusing. Let them have a slow lingering death so that this thread can continue. Watching their team of triallists and no hopers struggle this season will provide us with many laughs.

 

Suicidal? The biggest danger to life comes from someone dying from laughter.

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SaintRichmond

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It is one rule for 71 clubs in the Football League, another rule for Pompey. For example AFC Bournemouth when under a transfer embargo weren't allowed by the Football League to sign Steve Lovell when he offered to play for free. Why should Portsmouth be treated differently to other clubs in the same situation?

 

As I said in an earlier post

 

IMHO, I think the Football League are just as "corrupt to the core"

 

I can't understand why all the Clubs that have been "victims" of the FL's meted out Punishments for far far less misdemeaners have not been banging on the FL's door ??? Strange

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SaintRichmond

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You have to admire PFC for their cunning and their balls to try anything to bypass, exploit loopholes in and sidstep the rules and regulations being imposed on them.

 

Think that'll be yet another email to the FL and most likely yet antother standard response me thinks!

 

The next move will be them being allowed to sign players "to allow us to be competitive in Div 1 " whilst STILL in Administration.

 

NB:- Other Clubs, please don't try this. This is only for Portsmouth, Champions of the Dr Morreau Island League

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Torres

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Does anyone know if Birch sells the club to the PST if Chinny decides to pull out, if he has a legal responsibility to make sure the Trust can keep the club going for a minimum amount of time, i.e 1 season?

 

Nope. Once a sale is complete, he's done and dusted.

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Waterside.saint

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Not really, but he should at least have time for a bit of a holiday and some R and R before they need an Administrator again.

 

They must be running out of Administrators with football experience :D I can imagine the conversation next time:

AA: your turn Birchy, I've done my stint

TB: F&*&^% no, can't you find someone else

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Torres

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Not really, but he should at least have time for a bit of a holiday and some R and R before they need an Administrator again.

 

Won't be Birchy though, it'll be the next guy off the Administrator rank that the council have built on Frogmore Rd.

 

In fact, should PST take over we could start we sweepstake on who the next IP firm will be called in.

 

http://www.accountancyage.com/static/top50-this-year

 

I'm going to pick MHA MacIntyre Hudson.

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Doesn't Westwood have a full-time contract with them for coaching? How can he play for them on a non contract basis when he is contracted to them full time already? Anyone know the small print of the rules? If it says "The player cannot have a contract with the club" then surely they can't play him unless it explicitly states that that refers only to being a player and not any other role which, I would have thought, was unlikely.

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Where's he giving his "press conference" from? He looks like he's in his Gran's living room...

 

And in relation to the new keeper

 

"‘I think he can play on Saturday and it’s a contract that can be ripped up at any time. I think it’s for a month."

 

...so he appears to have had no involvement in the deal at all... he really is a collosus.

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Torres

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Ironically, from the freeze frame at the beginning it looks like it's going to be an

advert.

 

"I unexpectedly lost over half my player budget and had deffered wage payments coming out of my ears. I didn't know what I was going to do until I spoke to Ocean Finance..."

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Anyone know the small print of the rules?

 

Not had an in-depth read (as yet), but these seem to be pertinent points.

 

41.1 A Registered Player is one who has signed an appropriate registration form or forms and/or contract (such signature to be witnessed by a second person) and whose registration has been approved by The League. No Player may play in any competition organised by The League unless and until his registration has been so approved. Notwithstanding the foregoing, only those Academy Players over the age of 15 years on 1st September in any given Season may play football for a Club's first team in that Season, and then may only do so with the written permission of his school's head teacher and the approval of the Executive. It shall be the responsibility of all Clubs playing in any competition organised by The League to ensure that all Players are so registered. Failure to do so constitutes misconduct. An additional copy of the appropriate registration papers shall at the same time as a copy is despatched to The League be despatched to The Football Association.

 

43.1 The following types of registration are permitted by The League:

 

Full Contract Regulation 60

Non-Contract Regulations 56 and 57

Multiple Monthly Regulation 59

Standard Loan Regulation 53.1

Emergency Loan Regulation 53.3

Youth Loan Regulation 53.3

Emergency Loan of Goalkeeper Regulation 54

Academies Regulation 58

Scholarship Scheme Regulation 58

 

56.1 The registration of a Non-Contract Player will be valid only for the Season in which the registration form is signed.

 

56.2 A Club may only register a Non-Contract Player (subject to the provisions of Regulation 41.5) during a Closed Period if he is an Unemployed Player.

 

So, if Westwood (TCWoutAB) signed as either a contract or non-contract player (I suspect the former), then the question to be asked of the FL is whether such a signing is permitted by a member club when a transfer embargo is in place. And yes, the question has been asked, but I am not expecting Andy to respond with anything other than the usual fob off.

 

FL rules section on players - http://tinyurl.com/9esrwrx

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Not had an in-depth read (as yet), but these seem to be pertinent points.

 

So, if Westwood (TCWoutAB) signed as either a contract or non-contract player (I suspect the former), then the question to be asked of the FL is whether such a signing is permitted by a member club when a transfer embargo is in place. And yes, the question has been asked, but I am not expecting Andy to respond with anything other than the usual fob off.

 

FL rules section on players - http://tinyurl.com/9esrwrx

 

Surely the 56.2 rule:

 

'56.2 A Club may only register a Non-Contract Player (subject to the provisions of Regulation 41.5) during a Closed Period if he is an Unemployed Player.'

means he can't be registered as a non-contract player as he is not an unemployed player he is an employed coach and as you say surely the embargo means he can't sign a playing contract?

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Does 'Appy know something we don't?

 

‘It’s not a risk to sign him because it can be ripped up. If the club went out of business after the game, the contract would be ripped up.’

I'm sure you'll be surprised to find out that no, he doesn't. As usual he's talking out of his a*se. Firstly, as a No-Contract payer, there's nothing to rip up, and secondly the player registration can only be terminated by mutual consent of both Parties.

 

Oh, and it's not a month, registration is for the whole season (unless mutual termination is agreed).

 

It does beg the question of Westwood's eligibility. We only have 'Appy's word on that, and poor old 'Appy's not good with facts, is he?

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Meanwhile.....in the land of clutching at straws headlines....

 

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/pompey-won-t-face-further-league-points-loss-1-4158662

Pompey won’t face further league points loss

 

By Rory McKeown

Published on Tuesday 14 August 2012 07:54

 

POMPEY will not have a further points penalty imposed by the Football League if the club starts the new season in administration.

The Blues are due to kick off their League One campaign against Bournemouth on Saturday with the club’s ownership still up in the air.

 

Football regulations state there is no points penalty for clubs starting a new season in administration.

 

Pompey will be deducted 10 points once new owners are in place under the rules of the Football League’s membership offer.

But this means the club will start on a level playing field at the weekend unless the ownership situation is resolved.

 

 

EastMidsBlue

 

9:34 AM on 14/08/2012

Dear Mr at the Football League, I am confused. We have been known to changed our owners on a more regular basis than some people change their underpants, but never have we had a 10 point deduction each time. I believe that we had 3 new owners in one season, so therefore we might owe you a few more points. Alternatively, as you apporoved each of these new owners without even the most basic of checks (ie. that the Fit and Proper Person even existed), you can stick your points deductions up your R's !

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Surely the 56.2 rule:

 

'56.2 A Club may only register a Non-Contract Player (subject to the provisions of Regulation 41.5) during a Closed Period if he is an Unemployed Player.'

means he can't be registered as a non-contract player as he is not an unemployed player he is an employed coach and as you say surely the embargo means he can't sign a playing contract?

 

You forget Appendix P : "None of the preceding Rules and Regulations apply within the PO postcode area".

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@pn_neil_allen: Andersen set to be first casualty of Portpin budget U-turn. http://t.co/McvqxbBL #Pompey

 

Why oh why aren't the local press happy that the budget has been reduced to a more realistic level? U-turn or not, surely they should be applauding such astute fiscal awareness by the prospective new owner rather than pine for overspending again?

 

They moan and groan when the overspending bites them on the arse yet moan and groan some more when the owners actually do something about it.... sigh....

 

In the meantime, he has been left with a £1.5m budget – believed to be among the five lowest in League One.

That figure matches the budget League Two side Northampton Town operated on last year.

Pre-season opposition AFC Wimbledon’s budget is £1m, while Wycombe Wanderers, relegated from League One last term, have a budget of £1.25m.

 

Among the lowest 5 budgets in League One? Good! That's how it should be after years of overspending and cheating your way to "success" FFS.

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Excellent, so now Neil is going to make up a list of names of players certainly, definitely, would have signed for Pompey but for nasty Portpin and their insistence on not injecting vast amounts of cash to allow them to sign players way out of their league.

 

This list will be made up (quite literally) of players who will now sign for Championship clubs and would not look at Pompey for longer than it takes to say "No".

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http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/mp-raises-concern-over-fees-dispute-with-administrator-1-4158666#.UCoVnXsJ3oo.twitter

 

PORTSMOUTH South MP Mike Hancock has raised concerns in the wake of the dispute surrounding fees for Pompey’s administrator.

 

The News revealed yesterday that former owner Balram Chainrai is locked in a row over the bill for the administrators, led by Trevor Birch.

 

Mr Chainrai claims Mr Birch’s firm PKF is reluctant to compromise and warned he could be prepared to walk away from the table.

The outstanding figure is believed to be £1.8m.

 

But Mr Hancock said he raised the question of administrator fees at a meeting between Lib Dem councillors and members of the Pompey Supporters’ Trust last week.

 

He claims Mr Birch told the meeting the amount had already been taken care of.

 

Mr Hancock said: ‘I asked Trevor Birch that in the trust’s business they make no allowance to pay the administrators’ fees.

 

‘When I asked him if it would be paid out of parachute payments, he said it wouldn’t and had been taken care of.

 

‘He told us in front of everyone, including the trust.

 

‘But I was really shocked to read about the situation with Mr Chainrai because I thought it was done and dusted.

 

‘Everyone in the room when Mr Birch answered those questions will have the same opinion as me.’

 

Responding to Mr Hancock’s fears, PKF confirmed the administrators’ fees will be taken out of the club’s current funds before the bank account is handed over to whoever takes over at Fratton Park.

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By the way, is there any evidence that Portpin had "previously agreed" a budget of £4m is that utter bullcrap too?

 

Even if Portpin "agreed" a League One busting budget (before they knew the Football League conditions for taking over ownerhip of the club, don't forget), why on Earth didn't the highly intelligent Appleton or Allen question this at the time?

 

Rather than lap up a statement from someone they know is adept at moving goalposts, why didn't they go back to him and say "£4m? Ha! Yeah right, nice try Mr Chainrai. No way do we want to start splashing out above average wages on players again. Please come back with a more realistic budget"...

 

I don't know what's more laughable....Chainrai for suggesting a £4m budget in the first place or the likes of Allen and Appleton lapping it up without question...

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Mr Hancock said: ‘I asked Trevor Birch that in the trust’s business plan they make no allowance to pay the administrators’ fees.

 

‘When I asked him if it would be paid out of parachute payments, he said it wouldn’t and had been taken care of.

 

‘He told us in front of everyone, including the trust.

 

‘But I was really shocked to read about the situation with Mr Chainrai because I thought it was done and dusted.

 

‘Everyone in the room when Mr Birch answered those questions will have the same opinion as me.’

 

Responding to Mr Hancock’s fears, PKF confirmed the administrators’ fees will be taken out of the club’s current funds before the bank account is handed over to whoever takes over at Fratton Park.

 

Its not coming out of the parachute payments, its coming out of the bank account the payments are paid into?!

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