hutch Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 I believe, in spinglish, a "significant seven figure sum" is somewhere between £1,000,000 and £1,999,999 £2,000,000 and above is defined as "several million pounds". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 I do find it odd that the statement from Gordon Taylor that the main reason players have not agreed compromise agreements is because chainrai vetoing what is a quite sensible option of having any money in the agreements guaranteed against the parachute payments has not been more widely reported. There are lots of articles about "Look how self centred they are not leaving" without any consideration to the fact that the sticking point in them leaving is not actually the players themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 I believe, in spinglish, a "significant seven figure sum" is somewhere between £1,000,000 and £1,999,999 £2,000,000 and above is defined as "several million pounds". Or possibly 7 pounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvaughanwilliams Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 There are lots of articles about "Look how self centred they are not leaving" without any consideration to the fact that the sticking point in them leaving is not actually the players themselves. Like this one? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/portsmouth/9427664/Portsmouth-defender-Tal-Ben-Haim-instructs-agent-to-stay-away-from-severance-talks.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 (edited) I do find it odd that the statement from Gordon Taylor that the main reason players have not agreed compromise agreements is because chainrai vetoing what is a quite sensible option of having any money in the agreements guaranteed against the parachute payments has not been more widely reported. There are lots of articles about "Look how self centred they are not leaving" without any consideration to the fact that the sticking point in them leaving is not actually the players themselves. Indeed. Journos don't seem interested in the Gordon Taylor statement. He's quite clearly said that compromise needs to happen on all sides, yet the media home in on the players as they know their punters will lap this up more than they will having a pop at potential future owners. It doesn't help that Gordon Taylor comes across as a wet blanket when interviewed. You'd have thought the highest paid union leader position in the country would attract someone with a bit more gumption. Does Bob Crow fancy a change of scenery? Edited 26 July, 2012 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 Like this one? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/portsmouth/9427664/Portsmouth-defender-Tal-Ben-Haim-instructs-agent-to-stay-away-from-severance-talks.html Headline bit of that article: [h=1]Portsmouth defender Tal Ben Haim instructs agent to stay away from severance talks[/h][h=2]Tal Ben Haim has instructed his agent, Pini Zahavi, to stay away from his severance negotiations with Portsmouth, which threaten to bring about the first liquidation of a Football League club for 20 years.[/h] in the actual article: “I don’t know anything about it,” he told Telegraph Sport. “I am not dealing with what’s happening at Portsmouth, he’s dealing with it himself. So the headline gives the impression that TBH has ordered his agent not to deal with pompey where as the body just says the player is dealing with it himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 Like this one? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/portsmouth/9427664/Portsmouth-defender-Tal-Ben-Haim-instructs-agent-to-stay-away-from-severance-talks.html Someone somewhere must know someone who knows a decent journalist? One that can ask Chainrai: "What do you intend doing with the remaining parachute payments if you gain control of the club? You know, the payments the players would be entitled to if they stayed on after you takeover? And why aren't you prepared to compromise on your stance, like you're asking the players to do, in order to help save the club?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 Headline bit of that article: in the actual article: So the headline gives the impression that TBH has ordered his agent not to deal with pompey where as the body just says the player is dealing with it himself. QED..."it's all the players' fault". The spin is working I tell ye. Good Lord, I'm turning into OldNick! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 Hmm AA is in Chanrai's pocket and is advising TBH to hold firm Chanrai then escapes blame free and I'm sure there will be no untoward monetary transactions in the background Everyone is a winner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 This is my 2,000 post on this thread. I was intending to make it pithy summary of all that has happened so far. but then I though B*gg*r that! anyway someone with a username eerily the same as mine has posted this on the telegraph thread Why is it that articles like this one fail to report the comments made by Gordon Taylor of the PFA? He has stated that the players were willing to make agreements, with payments in the future and that the premier league had agreed to guarantee them with a portion of pompeys remaining parachute payments but that that plan was vetoed by Chainrai. Maybe journalists should pay more interest in that side of the equation rather than joining in the intimidation of the players? Whilst I am here... Is the statement that the players get nothing on liquidation actually true or just something that gets repeated enough times that it becomes accepted wisdom? It is true they will get nothing from the liquidation of the club but the premier league have already (see above) shown a willingness to divert parachute payments to football creditors. Has any journalist actually tried quizzing the premier league to ask what would happen to the outstanding parachute payments if pompey were liquidated including whether any of that money would go to the football creditors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 Didn't know Chainrai had vetoed that. Thanks pedg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 This is my 2,000 post on this thread. I was intending to make it pithy summary of all that has happened so far. but then I though B*gg*r that! anyway someone with a username eerily the same as mine has posted this on the telegraph thread Top riposte that man! That should be cut and pasted to the comments section of every article that skirts over this seemingly unpalatable side of the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 Seems as though Birch has become a bit of a Pompey fan, surely his job isn't to worry about how long it will take Newco Pompey to get back in the football league. "You cannot have those conversations until it actually happens," said Birch. "Nobody knows what league we'll start back in. It took Aldershot 17 years to restore their league status." http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18979636 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 Didn't know Chainrai had vetoed that. Thanks pedg. Gordon Taylor made a point of highlighting this fact in this interview here: http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/sports-breakfast/120724/taylor-carroll-modric-and-portsmouths-fight-survival-177226. The first 1 min 15 seconds covers it. (He didn't refer to Chainrai by name, but he said "The potential new owner doesn't want that to happen". As Pedg says, the media have seemingly decided not to explore this line of enquiry.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 If Chainrai has vetoed the PP underwriting the wages, then Gordon Taylor and the PFA is doing a woeful job in protecting it's members from character assassination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 "Thought you'd seen the last of me?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 Hmm AA is in Chanrai's pocket and is advising TBH to hold firm Chanrai then escapes blame free and I'm sure there will be no untoward monetary transactions in the background Of course not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 If Chainrai has vetoed the PP underwriting the wages, then Gordon Taylor and the PFA is doing a woeful job in protecting it's members from character assassination. ^ This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvaughanwilliams Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 The Trust's opinion of the Taylor comments are that they were about the PPs being assigned to players directly with the club continuing and didn't affect the liquidation scenario. I don't think that the situation has been cleared up yet. The players may get paid in liquidation or they may get nothing. The other issue getting very little coverage is Chinny's attitude towards the limit on secured debt or whether he is still interested in a takeover. Also if his debt gets converted to unsecured debt, do they have to re-run the vote? Would his newly unsecured debt get reduced in the CVA or would he change its status after the reduction applied to everyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 @officialpompey: Only two English cities named on the giant globe in #Pompey's Benahavis hotel http://t.co/DRoMtOUB Yeah, and "Portsmouth" has broken in half and is all washed out to sea...how apt... How much longer are they on holiday for FFS? That local businessman must have bloody deep pockets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintalan Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 Sky News just reporting Paul Allen (with yacht) is back in town for the Olympics. It couldn't just be a cover, could it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromdayone Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 This is my 2,000 post on this thread. I was intending to make it pithy summary of all that has happened so far. but then I though B*gg*r that! anyway someone with a username eerily the same as mine has posted this on the telegraph thread Good work, lets hope someone picks up the baton and runs with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red and White Army Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 Of course not.... Well, since Chanrai won't get any PPs in this scenario, what incentive is there for him to pay off TBH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 If Chainrai has vetoed the PP underwriting the wages, then Gordon Taylor and the PFA is doing a woeful job in protecting it's members from character assassination. Alternatively they are working behind the scenes in a professional way to resolve it. The PFA, FA, Prem League and The Football League all need to co-operate and work together if football in the UK is to function - they don't need Pompey like they need each other. The players will be ok. Imagine scenario that Pompey goes pop and the remaining parachute gets distributed to the Prem clubs whilst plucky Ben Haim gets nothing, the authorities won't let it happen as it destroys the sacred Football Creditors bubble they all live in. The link Sevvy posted to the Leeds story where Dominic Matteo says that wages were 'deffered' is the key to this, I think the players will get what they are owed to date, unlikely to see the balance of their contracts in any scenario. This appears to be the sticking point as Taylor is saying Chanrai won't guarentee the players receiving what they are owed to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 The Trust's opinion of the Taylor comments are that they were about the PPs being assigned to players directly with the club continuing and didn't affect the liquidation scenario. I don't think that the situation has been cleared up yet. The players may get paid in liquidation or they may get nothing. Which is of course the correct answer knowing what we know and not the "Why of why are they doing this do they not realise they will get nothing" being peddled by all and sundry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 The other issue getting very little coverage is Chinny's attitude towards the limit on secured debt or whether he is still interested in a takeover. Also if his debt gets converted to unsecured debt, do they have to re-run the vote? Would his newly unsecured debt get reduced in the CVA or would he change its status after the reduction applied to everyone else? That's a very good point. Everyone seems to be assuming that the players wages are the only stumbling block remaining. More twists to come than a reconstituted turkey on a stick me thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 @officialpompey: Only two English cities named on the giant globe in #Pompey's Benahavis hotel http://t.co/DRoMtOUB Yeah, and "Portsmouth" has broken in half and is all washed out to sea...how apt... How much longer are they on holiday for FFS? That local businessman must have bloody deep pockets... Right up there with Yarmouth - congrats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 @officialpompey: Only two English cities named on the giant globe in #Pompey's Benahavis hotel http://t.co/DRoMtOUB Yeah, and "Portsmouth" has broken in half and is all washed out to sea...how apt... How much longer are they on holiday for FFS? That local businessman must have bloody deep pockets... I guess they want to keep the kids and triallists away from TBH and co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 @officialpompey: Only two English cities named on the giant globe in #Pompey's Benahavis hotel http://t.co/DRoMtOUB Yeah, and "Portsmouth" has broken in half and is all washed out to sea...how apt... How much longer are they on holiday for FFS? That local businessman must have bloody deep pockets... Was this map produced when Portsmouth was part of the County of Southampton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 Well, since Chanrai won't get any PPs in this scenario, what incentive is there for him to pay off TBH? Because he'll get the PPs in the other scenario? At the moment, the players are effectively in the position of deciding whether Chainrai gets his hands on the PPs or not. I would say that's a fairly strong negotiating position to be in.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 @pn_neil_allen: RT @Alanbileysfeet: @Pompey_Pages You know you're in real trouble when it's reported in the Himalayan Times! http://t.co/t87IewFG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 I believe, in spinglish, a "significant seven figure sum" is somewhere between £1,000,000 and £1,999,999 £2,000,000 and above is defined as "several million pounds". or anything up to £99,999.99 in the skate dialect of spinglish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 How irresponsible of Trousers to post that map. It's obviously from the ongoing and confidential Cala Developments planning application. It clearly shows that he intends to submerge southern England, presumably using a furry but disciplined army of trained beavers to dam key rivers. This will enable him to open not just a flagship Harbourdome Arena development for the World Cup Final, but a whole chain of underwater hotel casino resorts, incorporating deep sea Saab dealerships, Mr Clives, Spearmint Avrams, and marine petting zoos. And no Avram, you don't need to help with the training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 @officialpompey: Only two English cities named on the giant globe in #Pompey's Benahavis hotel http://t.co/DRoMtOUB Yeah, and "Portsmouth" has broken in half and is all washed out to sea...how apt... How much longer are they on holiday for FFS? That local businessman must have bloody deep pockets... Typical pompey counting accuracy. Map shows Port-smouth, London and Yarmouth. Now that's 3 in my books? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 Yarmouth isn't a city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysstuff Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 Typical pompey counting accuracy. Map shows Port-smouth, London and Yarmouth. Now that's 3 in my books? To be fair, I don't think Yarmouth is a city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 All very well and good but he doesn't appear to be aware that the players have already made a massive "gesture" by way of wage deferrals since February. This. The players have been more than reasonable/patient. If they cave in and accept poor compromise agreements, PFC will back shafting another group of helpless employees or suppliers in a years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 Are Pompey still on the look out for a new keeper....? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/18992934 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 This. The players have been more than reasonable/patient. No they haven't....they're nasty-wasty people dontcha know? The nation's media says so ergo it must be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty's Caddy Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 I believe, in spinglish, a "significant seven figure sum" is somewhere between £1,000,000 and £1,999,999 £2,000,000 and above is defined as "several million pounds". I'm sure in that neck of the woods the significant sum could well be £10,000.00 It will be the pledges from the 10 bestest that were called to arms I expect. I'm yet to come across a Pompey fan that doesn't just want to start again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevvy Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/589546637?-11209 AA is back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/589546637?-11209 AA is back He said: ‘I am deeply concerned about the immediate future of the club, but I am convinced that if both parties, the club and the players, can come to the table and stop conducting such personal negotiations through the media, a compromise will be reached. Problem is AA they did reach an agreement but then Chainrai vetoed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/589546637?-11209 AA is back ‘As far as the Ben Haim situation, I understand both sides are within £250,000 of agreeing an amicable solution, so I really cannot believe that a sensible solution cannot be delivered here.' i.e ' Can my player have £250,000 severence ?' 'No' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 Just had an interesting thought ... Let's say Pompey do make compromises with all their players and are brought and then cannot sign enough players in time for the season, what happens then? What's the lowest number of players you can name in a match day squad? How many players can you start on the pitch with?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 Just had an interesting thought ... Let's say Pompey do make compromises with all their players and are brought and then cannot sign enough players in time for the season, what happens then? What's the lowest number of players you can name in a match day squad? How many players can you start on the pitch with?! They already have enough contracted players. They have a youth team and development squad to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 ‘As far as the Ben Haim situation, I understand both sides are within £250,000 of agreeing an amicable solution, so I really cannot believe that a sensible solution cannot be delivered here.' i.e ' Can my player have £250,000 severence ?' 'No' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/589546637?-11209 AA is back And a not too subtle dig at Birch I see. As Harry Hill would say......Fiiiiigggghhhhht.........! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 They already have enough contracted players. They have a youth team and development squad to use. Indeed. Shame they didn't tap into this resource 12 months ago rather than sign up a load of new players they couldn't afford. At least they won't get away with that old trick again...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 I wonder if AA has paid his fine yet....? http://www.accountancyage.com/aa/news/2172613/hacker-youngs-andronikou-severely-reprimanded A £5,000 FINE has been dished out to UHY Hacker Young partner Andrew Andronikou for "manifestly inappropriate" conduct in relation to a client going through personal insolvency proceedings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 26 July, 2012 Share Posted 26 July, 2012 I am convinced that if both parties, the club and the players, can come to the table and stop conducting such personal negotiations through the media, a compromise will be reached said the man pausing to sign an autograph before releasing a press statement and conducting his campaign through the media. Time for a new photo of AA methinks, or a new whispy frontal comb-over. Two gruelling years of not being able to sleep with worry and guilt over the debacle that was CVA1, is starting to show. At least he doesn't look seedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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