trousers Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 @TonyHusbandBBC: Still feel he has to proceed. RT @NabilHassan79: #Pompey Trevor Birch admits Balu Chainrai "reeling" from penalties: http://t.co/KMf0QFN0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Can't someone over in the UK apply to get that Neil Allen sectioned under some mental health act? Lets face it there is plenty of evidence to suggest he is not well. if we were going to get Allen sectioned surely we would have to do the same for the rest of them on Portsea Island ? be better to just turn the whole place into an Asylum. lets face it pretty much qualifies already ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 @TonyHusbandBBC: Still feel he has to proceed. RT @NabilHassan79: #Pompey Trevor Birch admits Balu Chainrai "reeling" from penalties: http://t.co/KMf0QFN0 Hmmm .... Hart had that problem a few weeks back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintalan Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Searching for TB today on Audioboo (which I didn't find) I came across this 2 year old poem which really is worth a listen today...WTFILN bbcradiosolent #pompey fan Foxy with a great #facup poem outside #wembley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 It seems that the Football League have kept their powder dry, watched the situation unfold and then given Brian Mahwhinney a call to find out how it should really be done. All I can say is, wow. The Football League has not only hit them for the current situation – they have covered their next sneaky moves as well. I genuinely cannot see a way out for the Skates now other than liquidation or the Football League backing up the truck. For those feeling sorry for them, don’t. They are like an alcoholic that was given a new liver and kept on drinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Reality only appears to sink in a certain distance. Those accepting they have to start again from scratch still think they will be playing at fratton park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Birch sounded close to tears in that Solent interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Harry Redknapp set to lose £4m on Portsmouth land deal http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/harry-redknapp-set-to-lose-4m-on-portsmouth-land-deal-1-4053312 Rate: muz 10:58 AM on 13/07/2012 he should never have listened to Rosie, what do dogs know about property investment ? Rate: spencerc 11:00 AM on 13/07/2012 Thats what you call Karma!!! He probably earnt £4m in bonuses, bungs and commision from players sales!!!! hahahahaha Rate: North Fareham Blue 12:04 PM on 13/07/2012 Not often you get a story that will make both Pompey and the Scummers happy. Poor old Judas. Rate: Paul P 12:09 PM on 13/07/2012 £4 million roughly converts to 1.3 brown envelopes. (allegedly!) Rate: Harry Stotle 10:43 AM on 13/07/2012 Blimey Harry's having one rubbish summer! Rate: KT285714 12:11 PM on 13/07/2012 I wonder how much Rosie lost? Still some humour on Portsea!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Redknapp I think ownes a row of property on southsea waterfront. One of the buildings was te legendary nightclub called joannas. Still a building site I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Redknapp I think ownes a row of property on southsea waterfront. One of the buildings was te legendary nightclub called joannas. Still a building site I think Yep, was derelict but then got burned down in a "mysterious" fire last summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 They're an odd bunch on POL aren't they? Since they went into admin, they've been asking for the FL to impose some 'proper' rules and sanctions to ensure they can't be raped again, especially by Chinny. Now that the league has done just that, they're up in arms complaining that the bestest fans in the whole world are the only ones being punished. Fickle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrek Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Fickle? Nah, stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carljack Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Birch sounded close to tears in that Solent interview. So was I but they were tears of laughter! WTFILN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Nah, stupid. Not all. I've seen a number of reactions over there that welcome the FL's decision, not least because it will unhinge BC - cutting his secured debt down to a size that makes his investment seem hardly worthwhile any more, and reinforcing the need to pay football creditors in precisely the way he said meant he wouldn't continue with the bid. I also get the impression that the numbers are growing who think it'll be best all round to liquidate and start all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterside.saint Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 COYFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 If Chanrai even hints he might not follow through surely Birchs partners will make him shoot the kitten just to limit their losses? This could end very quickly. What a fantastic birthday present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 COYFL Come on you ****ing Legends?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterside.saint Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 (edited) Not all. I've seen a number of reactions over there that welcome the FL's decision, not least because it will unhinge BC - cutting his secured debt down to a size that makes his investment seem hardly worthwhile any more, and reinforcing the need to pay football creditors in precisely the way he said meant he wouldn't continue with the bid. I also get the impression that the numbers are growing who think it'll be best all round to liquidate and start all over again. Another Chinny facepalm moment. In fact he must now be seriously wondering what he has to do in order to escape without leaving his reputation as a businessman in tatters Edited 13 July, 2012 by Waterside.saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterside.saint Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Come on you ****ing Legends?? Come On You Football League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Birch sounded close to tears in that Solent interview. Have you got a link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonswan Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Does anyone recall the statutory points penalty for failing to exit administration with a CVA? If the answer is "more than -10 points" then they have got off lightly... http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/145759-bates-fumes-as-leeds-lose-15-point-appeal Leeds were deducted 15 points for failing to exit administration via a Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA). So -10 does seem lenient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 If Chanrai even hints he might not follow through surely Birchs partners will make him shoot the kitten just to limit their losses? This could end very quickly. What a fantastic birthday present. You have forgotten the trust and their high net worth individuals or, to give them their full titles, new director, new manager, new striker, new midfielder and new goalie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Thats the spirit Ohio shows you are a true (blue) scummer, cos if the old boot was on the other foot Just over three years ago the boot WAS on the other foot. Then, one day, we were saved by Liebherr, and the thread currently known as Pompey Takeover Saga was started... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 COYFL Come on you ****ing Legends?? Clothes Off You Fit Lesbians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterside.saint Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Clothes Off You Fit Lesbians. :adore: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Go on Because it`s And then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysstuff Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Rangers demoted to Div 3. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Rangers demoted to Div 3. Interesting. Even more power to the English Football League's elbow (by association) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysstuff Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Even more power to the English Football League's elbow (by association) Unless anone can see an alternative league that may be one team short soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Rangers demoted to Div 3. Interesting. . . .subject to the SFA not overruling it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_in_munich Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 http://newsthump.com/2012/07/13/portsmouth-to-start-next-seasons-league-one-campaign-in-league-two/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holepuncture Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Rangers demoted to Div 3. Interesting. Hopefully this will inspire the Football League and their new found strength. pompey currently have these conditions IF they can start the season, IF... Nutjobs, all your hard work is beggining to pay off - a big pat on the back to you all. Im absolutely delighted with the recent developments, I question whether ive slipped into a beautiful dream. Ive been saying this for a long, long time now... never has it sounded so sweet... MONEYFIELDS! God Bless Nutjobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 I'm getting sick and tired of this fan victimisation mantra. To say that penalising the club is just punishing the fans is like saying that executing a king is merely punishing the monarchists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Just watched the Birch interview on Sky; I'm getting a bit fed up with him saying that they have a CVA....of which they clearly do not. :s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Redknapp I think ownes a row of property on southsea waterfront. One of the buildings was te legendary nightclub called joannas. Still a building site I think I think he also still owns the penthouse suite in Gunwarf quay. Not short of a bob or two is are arry. The land on Southsea seafront has been cleared after the fire - the council forced the owners to do it. I notice the Spinnaker Tower developers are buying it, wonder if they'll include a working lift in their plans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 http://newsthump.com/2012/07/13/portsmouth-to-start-next-seasons-league-one-campaign-in-league-two/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Ah newsthump .. always worth a look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 And alternative pre-Ramadan answer to Phil's: 1) Very slim 2) Yes 3) None. At the moment it's clear they are NOT in League 1 next season. Given the detail & thought that went into today's announcement, the FL have a contingency plan, and the alternative ”club24” know who they are. ”and for those watching in black and white, the blue is the one behind the 15 reds” I'm pretty sure there won't be a "Club 24", the timescales (and the fact the fixtures are already out) means the FL will have 23 teams in L1 if the Skates are liquidated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 (edited) http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/145759-bates-fumes-as-leeds-lose-15-point-appeal So -10 does seem lenient. The statutory penalty is -10 (EDIT : make that -15 as stated, looked it up). Leeds got nailed for trying to get around the deduction altogether by going into admin when they were already relegated to take the points hit when it didn't matter, before they brought in the deadline for applying it in the following season. Ken Bates' Leeds shenanigans were actually responsible for a lot of the existing rules. Bournemouth and Luton got additional penalties for multiple admins in a short timescale and irregular payments (which is another one the Skates might yet have to consider). Edited 13 July, 2012 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 The statutory penalty is -10. Leeds got nailed for trying to get around the deduction altogether by going into admin when they were already relegated to take the points hit when it didn't matter, before they brought in the deadline for applying it in the following season. Ken Bates' Leeds shenanigans were actually responsible for a lot of the existing rules. Bournemouth and Luton got additional penalties for multiple admins in a short timescale and irregular payments (which is another one the Skates might yet have to consider). The exit without a CVA was the vehicle used to punish Leeds -15. Boscombe got -15 for that and an extra 2 for multiple admins. It makes the Skates punishment seem very very lenient, for what is basically the same offense. It seems that having a CVA, but not paying it gets you a 5 point deduction over not having one, and past admins are not taken into account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey_saint Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 The exit without a CVA was the vehicle used to punish Leeds -15. Boscombe got -15 for that and an extra 2 for multiple admins. It makes the Skates punishment seem very very lenient, for what is basically the same offense. It seems that having a CVA, but not paying it gets you a 5 point deduction over not having one, and past admins are not taken into account. Do bare in minde that, whilst yes, -10 points does seem like not much, -15 isn't much more....and as it's been mentioned before, it's all the add-ons they've included that will do the damage, for example, I think Chanrai will now pack his bags and the PST don't have the required funds to fund them, so the -10 is almost irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Do bare in minde that, whilst yes, -10 points does seem like not much, -15 isn't much more....and as it's been mentioned before, it's all the add-ons they've included that will do the damage, for example, I think Chanrai will now pack his bags and the PST don't have the required funds to fund them, so the -10 is almost irrelevant. It's almost like that was added on just in case they squirmed their way out of the other clauses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pele Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 I wonder if Rangers have thought of applying for a place in the English First Division! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Do bare in minde that, whilst yes, -10 points does seem like not much, -15 isn't much more....and as it's been mentioned before, it's all the add-ons they've included that will do the damage, for example, I think Chanrai will now pack his bags and the PST don't have the required funds to fund them, so the -10 is almost irrelevant. Unless a new bidder turns up from somewhere who is prepared to spend about £16m to clear the debts and start afresh... which looks far more attractive than it did two days ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Rangers demoted to Div 3. Interesting. Serious question They were refused entry to Div1, and that Div 3 was the only alternative. WHY was not Div 2 an option ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 I wonder if Rangers have thought of applying for a place in the English First Division! They were supposed to be after Bury ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Unless a new bidder turns up from somewhere who is prepared to spend about £16m to clear the debts and start afresh... Not sensing a mad rush here !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 The thing that makes me LOL the most with the fish fidlers is that they were happy ride the wave of money being spent their so called mega rich owners did not have and buy an FA Cup win. As soon as the con men got found out and it all went tits up they cry not our fault guv why should we the fans get punished, yes you should take some of the blame because you/they were happy to ride the car crash waiting to happen so that you/they could have a day in the sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 The exit without a CVA was the vehicle used to punish Leeds -15. Boscombe got -15 for that and an extra 2 for multiple admins. It makes the Skates punishment seem very very lenient, for what is basically the same offense. It seems that having a CVA, but not paying it gets you a 5 point deduction over not having one, and past admins are not taken into account. Just looked it up, Rotherham got the same -17 at the same time : "Ahead of the 2008–09 season the team [AFCB]'s future in the Football League was put into doubt when the league threatened to block Bournemouth's participation in League Two, due to problems with the team's continuing administration and change in ownership. It ordered both Bournemouth and Rotherham United to demonstrate that they could fulfil all of their fixtures and find a way out of administration,[9] eventually allowing the club to compete but with a 17 point penalty for failing to follow the Football League insolvency rules and the new company would have to pay unsecured creditors the amount offered at the time of the original C.V.A. (around 10 pence in the pound) within 2 years" http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/aug/06/rotherham.bournemouth as well... So, you're right that the default is -15 (see above). But the Skates have a CVA so haven't been punished for not having a CVA, they've been punished for not adhering to the previous CVA. That's not the same as exiting without a CVA so the punishment is different. You could argue it's lenient, but they have not yet had any other possible penalties for anything else which usually come on exiting CVA/getting the golden share. The FL has at no point said "that's all", just "that's it for now". The "past admins" weren't taken into account because they were in the Prem for the 2010 one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 Serious question They were refused entry to Div1, and that Div 3 was the only alternative. WHY was not Div 2 an option ??? Why would it be ? Div 1 would be the highest division they could be placed in with the SPL refusing to admit them and acknowledging the OldCo's previous SPL season, and Div 3 would be treating them like a new club. Div 2 would be arbitrary and make no sense from either position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 13 July, 2012 Share Posted 13 July, 2012 just to address Skate Excuse no.1. The failure of the Fit and Proper Person Test..... It isn't designed to protect clubs from their own stupid decisions, in much the same way as mortgage lenders aren't there to stop you buying an ugly house with no parking. All of them will lend you a % of the money as long as they know that whatever happens they can get their share back - they don't give a sh!t if you choose a house that looks horrible or is in a nasty area, all they want is their money. For the fans and former owners to suggest the F and PPT should prevent them from welcoming lunatics and suspected crooks is ridiculous. It is mainly intended to prevent convicted criminals from taking control. If you were buying a car and the internet suggested the selling party was leaving a trail of unhappy customers, what would you do? Ask some random third party to judge whether it was a good idea, or make a judgement yourself? I chose to do business with the mafia and a loan shark - it didn't end well, it must be someone else's fault. The F and PPT is not a recruitment tool to assist club representatives who have poor judgement, it's a last resort for when their judgement is criminally poor. One day someone down there might just stand up and admit that they got it wrong - but until then, it's everyone else's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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