Pompey Takeover Saga

[Glasgow_Saint]

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/birch-fears-pompey-points-deduction-1-3988134

 

What's that I hear? Is it the sound of the penny dropping?

 

Have'nt they been punished enough for god's sake!?

[saintjay77]

The voice of reason (occasionally)

12:04 PM on 26/06/2012

So depressing. I've got my season ticket renewed but what will I be watching and more to the point, I'm beginning to ask myself why? When you see clubs like ours who have invested and developed like Norwich or our friends up the road, it makes you sick to the stomach. This has been ongoing since the late 1950's and it's finally caught up with us. I foresee us now trapped in the lower reaches of the league forever with the ever constant fight against the loss of league status hanging over us.

 

 

Says it all about their fans, I'd say!

 

Think he is comparing them to teams who have invested, as in they have not invested but other have and now look at the difference. Makes a good point really.

[Gingeletiss]

Think he is comparing them to teams who have invested, as in they have not invested but other have and now look at the difference. Makes a good point really.

 

Not the way I'm reading it....sorry!

[alehouseboys]

 

To be fair, 'Miss portsea island' is a clear winner

but this one would sum up the Saga quite well...

 

 

Tho' if it truly needed to represent the "world's greatest"

then the statue would have to be T(legendary)CWTB.

Unfortunately one already exists

 

[SaintRichmond]

Have'nt they been punished enough for god's sake!?

 

 

NO

 

They havn't been punished at all yet

 

( I guess youu conveniently forget the circa £140 Million + £40 Million they have racked up, and apparently wiped it out over avery flawed system )

[Big Bad Bob]

The voice of reason (occasionally)

12:04 PM on 26/06/2012

So depressing. I've got my season ticket renewed but what will I be watching and more to the point, I'm beginning to ask myself why? When you see clubs like ours, ones who have invested and developed like Norwich or our friends up the road (us, Southampton FC ) , it makes you sick to the stomach. This has been ongoing since the late 1950's and it's finally caught up with us. I foresee us now trapped in the lower reaches of the league forever with the ever constant fight against the loss of league status hanging over us.

 

 

Says it all about their fans, I'd say!

 

Think he is comparing them to teams who have invested, as in they have not invested but other have and now look at the difference. Makes a good point really.

 

Not the way I'm reading it....sorry!

 

I've corrected it to better reflect what he meant, I think.

[trousers]

Not the way I'm reading it....sorry!

 

I'm with saintjay.....I think the "clubs like ours" is referring to the size of the club (i.e. 'medium' sized, never really won much) rather than comparing the levels of investment. Needs a comma after 'ours' I think

 

:-)

[Quickfire Double]

Have'nt they been punished enough for god's sake!?

 

Is that UKBA Taskforce one of ours on a wind-up? If not, he needs to shown promptly the error of his ways!

[Wes Tender]

The voice of reason (occasionally)

12:04 PM on 26/06/2012

So depressing. I've got my season ticket renewed but what will I be watching and more to the point, I'm beginning to ask myself why? When you see clubs like ours who have invested and developed like Norwich or our friends up the road, it makes you sick to the stomach. This has been ongoing since the late 1950's and it's finally caught up with us. I foresee us now trapped in the lower reaches of the league forever with the ever constant fight against the loss of league status hanging over us.

 

Says it all about their fans, I'd say!

 

This is one of the more intelligent Skates, who accepts that lack of investment in their infrastructure, with the money ploughed instead into players they couldn't afford as an alternative strategy, is the cause of their current parlous situation.

 

On the other hand, there are still Skates posting in response to that News article who plainly don't get it:-

 

:Harry Stotle

 

12:48 PM on 26/06/2012

 

One question: What is the point? I mean what would the FL prove and help happen by dishing out another points deduction.

 

: blue bob

 

12:47 PM on 26/06/2012

 

I wouldn't be prepared to argue about it, but I'm sure that Mr Birch has said in the not too distant past, that there would not be a further points deduction, in any case surely it would be unjust to punish the club twice for the same offence.

 

This is obviously the moronic tendency, who think that the only punishment that they should have for the third administration in a decade is only the mandatory points deduction for entering administration. A bit like the judiciary giving a repeat offender the same sentence for each offence, with no additional punishment for doing it again and again and not learning anything from it. These idiots think that the last small points penalty is sufficient punishment and that any additional deductions would not be justified by them failing yet to pay one penny to the unsecured creditors of CVA1, downgrading that CVA award to 2p in the £ instead of the originally agreed 20p in the £, not to mention the millions of debt that have been written off that they owed to the taxman.

 

The imbeciles moan that it isn't so much punishing the club, as punishing them, the bestest fans, who are blameless. Well, they should have bleated a few years back about the dodgey owners and the lack of investment in a new stadium and training facilities instead of gloating to us about the FA Cup and Premiership league success that was bought with money they didn't have. They blame the FL about their fit and proper persons rules, yet all I recall at the time was them crowing about how they were owned by rich Arabs or Russian oligarchs, putting them into the same bracket as clubs like Chelski or Citeh.

 

I think that a little more pressure needs to be put on the FL to ensure that they definitely do get considerable extra penalties, or better still, their golden share is withdrawn. Otherwise, we will have to put up with OldNick telling us that they have got away with it again. Of course they haven't, as it remains to be seen whether they can even make it to the first match of the new season, let alone making it to the end of the season.

[Wes Tender]

Think he is comparing them to teams who have invested, as in they have not invested but other have and now look at the difference. Makes a good point really.

 

That's certainly how I read it too.

[saintjay77]

Not the way I'm reading it....sorry!

 

I read it the same as you the first time to be honest. But the Dell was an old school ground so there is some comparrison there, same with norwich. We have invested in infrastructure and youth and as such landed on our feet. they spunked everything on players and plaudits and the bubble has burst. I think he is being more down about the situation rather than bigging themselves up to being in the same league as us and norwich.

 

Those extra fingers should of been able to explain it a little better i guess?

[krissyboy31]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/18554519

 

In other semi-related news.....Bradford Bulls have just gone into administration with "only 10 days to save the club from liquidation"....only 10 days between administration and liquidation....? Blimey.....Carlsberg don't do swift administrations but if they did....

 

And in terms of RL Bradford are a massive club. Their monthly wage bill is £300k.

[Chez]

Birch changes his tune....anyone got his quote from a few weeks ago where he was saying that he had reassurances from the FL that a points penalty was out of the question (or words to that effect)....?

‘Trevor has been in constant contact with the Football League and letting them know what is likely to happen at the club. He knows there will not be any further points deduction for Pompey, so that’s some good news.’

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/pompey-to-avoid-points-deduction-by-football-league-1-3892697

 

becomes

‘It is not set in stone there will now not be a points deduction...it is at the Football League’s discretion...there is no guarantee.

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/birch-fears-pompey-points-deduction-1-3988134

[Matthew Le God]

Pompey sign three new professionals - (promoted from the youth team which is what they should be doing)

 

http://www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/LatestNews/news/Isle-of-Wight-Trio-Sign-Deals-3494.aspx

 

However...!

 

Andy Awford says... "We’re not giving these lads first team football"

 

Why not? They are 18 years old, why can't they play League One football in the Pompey first team when the club is currently in admin and has huge debts?

 

Oh yeah, it is because of things like wanting to do this whilst in admin...

 

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/appleton-wants-football-league-talks-over-recruitment-power-1-3977721

[pedg]

‘Trevor has been in constant contact with the Football League and letting them know what is likely to happen at the club. He knows there will not be any further points deduction for Pompey, so that’s some good news.’

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/pompey-to-avoid-points-deduction-by-football-league-1-3892697

 

becomes

‘It is not set in stone there will now not be a points deduction...it is at the Football League’s discretion...there is no guarantee.

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/birch-fears-pompey-points-deduction-1-3988134

 

will probably become

 

"I have always been aware that a large points penalty was almost certain"

[EastleighSoulBoy]

................... These idiots think that the last small points penalty is sufficient punishment and that any additional deductions would not be justified by them failing yet to pay one penny to the unsecured creditors of CVA1, downgrading that CVA award to 2p in the £ instead of the originally agreed 20p in the £, not to mention the millions of debt that have been written off that they owed to the taxman.

 

but it's not 2p in the pound (2%) of the whole debt, it's 2p in the pound of 20p (20%) in the pound.

 

Thus at CVA1 £1,000 became £200.

 

Now that £200 becomes £4 = 0.4% of the original £1000.

 

So they have blown away 99.6% of their debt!

 

DFCSBs

[buctootim]

[Joey-deacons-left-nut]

‘Trevor has been in constant contact with the Football League and letting them know what is likely to happen at the club. He knows there will not be any further points deduction for Pompey, so that’s some good news.’

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/pompey-to-avoid-points-deduction-by-football-league-1-3892697

 

becomes

‘It is not set in stone there will now not be a points deduction...it is at the Football League’s discretion...there is no guarantee.

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/birch-fears-pompey-points-deduction-1-3988134

 

I think you're doing a disservice here...

 

THe Football League have bneen asked direct questions and only answered those questions.

 

They were asked, "Would there be a points deduction for exiting admin with a cva"

 

to which they replied "no, you will not recieve a points deduction for exiting administration with a CVA, as per our rules"

 

Several people on here emailed them asking about the failed cva.

 

the FA replied back with it could not comment on the situation at present.

 

The existing CVA is not currently classed as "failed". That happens when either a date is reached or an event forces it to be classed as failed. As soon as the new CVA is signed that existing CVA will move into the failed state.

[Waterside.saint]

Have'nt they been punished enough for god's sake!?

 

No.

[Truckasaurus]

Ok everybody

 

"calm your beans" what football player coming to the end of his career is going to swap £15,000 for say £5,000 ?

 

They will get their money 100% of it.

 

Chinny will pull out,the trust thingy is as dead as speckled jim. Everything rests with the players and when their careers are over what are they to do,they cannot all be footie pundits(thats reserved for good footballers) so they need to grab what they can now.

 

Ergo.........Liquidation

 

God bless bovine TB

[pedg]

Ok everybody

 

"calm your beans" what football player coming to the end of his career is going to swap £15,000 for say £5,000 ?

 

They will get their money 100% of it.

 

Chinny will pull out,the trust thingy is as dead as speckled jim. Everything rests with the players and when their careers are over what are they to do,they cannot all be footie pundits(thats reserved for good footballers) so they need to grab what they can now.

 

Ergo.........Liquidation

 

God bless bovine TB

 

It all comes down to what happens with the players contracts on liquidation. Is it:

 

A) They have to join all the other creditors who will get nothing or next to nothing from liquidation. They become free agents and must find new clubs to pay them.

 

or:

 

B) The league and/or the PFA pay them the remainder due on their contracts.

 

If A they would be better settling before liquidation if B they are best of waiting for the pop. Don't think we are still completely clear which it is, but the fact no one has settled implies possibly B.

[Frank's cousin]

...getting to the point where I no longer care what happens to that stinking cesspit created by what was shat out of the the infected, wart encrusted anuses of of the 'bestest' fans... with the Footbal league snuggling up so close to the maggot infested ring, any disease they pick up alomng the way will be fully justified...

 

But hey I'm not bitter;)

[fromdayone]

I think you're doing a disservice here...

 

THe Football League have bneen asked direct questions and only answered those questions.

 

They were asked, "Would there be a points deduction for exiting admin with a cva"

 

to which they replied "no, you will not recieve a points deduction for exiting administration with a CVA, as per our rules"

 

Several people on here emailed them asking about the failed cva.

 

the FA replied back with it could not comment on the situation at present.

 

The existing CVA is not currently classed as "failed". That happens when either a date is reached or an event forces it to be classed as failed. As soon as the new CVA is signed that existing CVA will move into the failed state.

 

I think the FL have stated that there will be no points deduction "if they start the season still in administration" as per their rules. This quote has been widely accepted and diluted by the skate PR dept and subsequent dinlos that follow the team as "there will be no further points deductions this season"!! -something completely different.

[trousers]

@pn_neil_allen: Haven't we met before? The #Pompey CVA reunion everyone has become fed up of. http://t.co/wBa3YdnN

[hypochondriac]

The Pompey manager is well aware he has eight new first-year professionals this season to bolster numbers if required.

However, many will essentially be part of the newly-reformed development squad.

 

WTF??? THEY ARE DOING IT AGAIN! They have learnt absolutely nothing from last time. Why the feck are they not playing their youth players and continuing not to count them as part of their matchday squad? How can they afford to be so selective yet again?

[trousers]

@pn_neil_allen: Haven't we met before? The #Pompey CVA reunion everyone has become fed up of. http://t.co/wBa3YdnN

 

As somebody joked; ‘These reunions are getting ridiculous. See you in two year’s time, though’.

 

Gallows humour from the weary creditors but this will no doubt turn out to be true!

Edited 26 June, 2012 by trousers

[Dark Munster]

It makes you wonder why Pompey have been allowed to carry on for so long

 

Two words. Parachute payments.

 

Once the last of these are in Chinny's hands, the walking dead, cheating, cesspit of a club will finally die. In the meanwhile, the phew will continue to suffer.

 

Quite sad, really.

 

Once again I have to agree with Old Nick. I was hoping they would die before me but

that hope has now passed, they will live for ever now.

 

Cheer up, Old and New Nicks, see above.

 

As satisfying as 50 point penalty would be, it would like fining a Texas murderer a few hundred thousand dollars, while he's waiting on death row.

[Gemmel]

Oh dear oh dear.

 

So the penny has dropped (With more than a hint from Birch) that penalties may be on the way.

 

I do hope MLG tweeted Neil Allen with the appropriate page from here.........

[suewhistle]

As satisfying as 50 point penalty would be, it would like fining a Texas murderer a few hundred thousand dollars, while he's waiting on death row.

 

Rallyboy is tutoring you: admit it!:-)

[saint si]

Well, we've ditched Rangers in order to maintain the integrity of the Memorial Cup.

 

So come on FL, where's your spine?

[dubai_phil]

 

 

As satisfying as 50 point penalty would be, it would like fining a Texas murderer a few hundred thousand dollars, while he's waiting on death row.

 

Are we talking about the cheats now or Turkish's infraction points today?

[dubai_phil]

Well, we've ditched Rangers in order to maintain the integrity of the Memorial Cup.

 

So come on FL, where's your spine?

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2823701,00.html

 

Anderlecht it is then.

 

Ah the memories

[Saint J 77]

Oh dear oh dear.

 

So the penny has dropped (With more than a hint from Birch) that penalties may be on the way.

 

I do hope MLG tweeted Neil Allen with the appropriate page from here.........

 

I think the only real fair penalty would be the following. Stripping them of the 2008 FA cup, then kicking them out the league and not allowing them to return to league football for the next 20 years. As thats never going to happen just kicking them out the league will do for now

[trousers]

@solentsport: #pompey's clash with Crawley has been moved back a day to Sunday 9th September for TV, it will be a 3:30 kick-off

[niceandfriendly]

@solentsport: #pompey's clash with Crawley has been moved back a day to Sunday 9th September for TV, it will be a 3:30 kick-off

The BIG one.

[trousers]

The BIG one.

 

It did raise a smile on several levels when I saw that tweet this morning :-)

[St Chalet]

Good to see the Rangers players exercising their rights to terminate contracts, maybe the penny will drop down the road that not ONE of the highly paid superstars on their books can afford to walk away, secure a signing on bonus and be better off.The Skates paid stupid money to attract these players from the Premiership FFS, they were not going to Portsmouth for the culture. So like or lump it they are as attached to them as Graham Rix on a schoolgirl.

[dubai_phil]

Good to see the Rangers players exercising their rights to terminate contracts, maybe the penny will drop down the road that not ONE of the highly paid superstars on their books can afford to walk away, secure a signing on bonus and be better off.The Skates paid stupid money to attract these players from the Premiership FFS, they were not going to Portsmouth for the culture. So like or lump it they are as attached to them as Graham Rix on a schoolgirl.

 

But, thanks to the UK's blame culture we'll still see plenty of

 

"It's not our fault, we didn't sign them, it was the previous owner/manager" type quotes in the coming weeks

 

Thought the legal statement from the Rangers' players lawyers put it very well and should be cut and pasted into a comments section in the snooze

 

http://www.sportinglife.com/football...rangers-exodus

 

 

Rangers quartet join Rangers exodus

 

Last Updated: June 26 2012, 21:33 BST

Allan McGregor, Steven Davis, Kyle Lafferty and Jamie Ness have joined the Ibrox exodus after declining to transfer their contracts to Charles Green's newco Rangers.

Sky Bet

The law firm's statement added: "The union's lawyers are already instructed in this matter for Rhys McCabe and Sone Aluko.

 

"Bridge Litigation UK has confirmed that letters of objection have been sent to the club along with requests to the SFA to release the players' registrations.

 

"Bridge Litigation UK have shared with the players the contents of legal guidance issued by the SFA last week on the issue of TUPE and player registration and which they state supports their legal view that an objection under TUPE amounts to a lawful termination of contract giving the club no entitlement to a claim for compensation."

 

Ms Gribbon added: "This has been an extremely difficult period for all the players and in the end their decisions were influenced largely by footballing considerations.

 

"SPL football appears highly unlikely and even First Division football cannot be guaranteed in light of comments made today by two First Division clubs.

 

"The players' commitment and loyalty to oldco Rangers cannot be questioned; they voluntarily took significant wage cuts in a genuine act of solidarity which ensured that none of the playing squad or club staff would lose their jobs.

 

"But for their contribution, it's likely that the club would not have survived until the end of the season.

 

"As professional footballers, the players' careers are relatively short lived and they are entitled to exercise basic employment rights the law affords to all employees in this country under the TUPE Regulations.

 

"I now expect the SFA and FIFA to interpret their rules and regulations in accordance with the TUPE legislation so that the players' registrations can be released without delay."

 

Can be turned around to relate to those demanding the players walk away from their contracts

[Sevvy]

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/584152919?-11209

 

So Birch couldnt make him go at Chelsea so what hope has he got with the Pompey players

[trousers]

Good to see the Rangers players exercising their rights to terminate contracts, maybe the penny will drop down the road that not ONE of the highly paid superstars on their books can afford to walk away, secure a signing on bonus and be better off.

 

Absolutely. The haste of the Rangers players to jump ship compared to the reluctance of the 'oh so loyal in January' Pompey players is the biggest 'nutshell' moment for me thus far.

[trousers]

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/584152919?-11209

 

So Birch couldnt make him go at Chelsea so what hope has he got with the Pompey players

 

Ha ha....nice of the Portsmouth News to remind the Pompey players and their agents of the Winstone Bogarde case in such a timely fashion.

 

An impartial observer might conclude that The News have an agenda to undermine Birch's efforts to avoid liquidation....

[Alien]

He added: ‘We all would like to think they would act honourably.

 

LMFAO

[Truckasaurus]

Some questions for ya Trev:-

 

Since you have been in charge of club 24 have you shown more of an interest in caravans ?

 

Have you missed any dentist appointments recently ?

 

Do you long to own a transit van (with a towbar) ?

 

Have you wondered how much lead is on the roof at krappy not arf ?

 

Have you thought to yourself " i only really need to bath occasionaly" ?

 

Have you just bought/ stole two lurchers ?

 

Are you finding it more difficult to read and wright ?

 

If the answer to any of these questions is yes then you may have gypo syndrone. You will then be forced out. At the posh end of the M27 we can see the signs and i believe you need help.

 

Liquidate the cheating f***ers quick Trev before it is too late.

 

 

God bless swedish chainsaws:bun:

[Gemmel]

There was a bit in the news yesterday about how Lumpitt had made his claim directly to the PFA. THe PFA have aslo claimed it will cost them 26 million if the club is liquidated, yet birch still insists they will get nothing if the club is liquidated. Am I missing something?

 

In one way it protects the footbal creditors rule, if they pay up, in another it's a green light to liquidate a club and start again, if players have that back drop.

 

I ma guessing that there is a deal to be done, but the players know that PP money is coming and are happy to defer settlement until it arrives.

 

Conversely, Chinny has that (or a portion of it) ringfenced for himself and I'm guessing the trusts whole business model is based on having access to that money.

 

The curveball is whether in liquidation, the PFA can stake a claim on them as well and pay their members from that pot.

[Frank's cousin]

Some questions for ya Trev:-

 

Since you have been in charge of club 24 have you shown more of an interest in caravans ?

 

Have you missed any dentist appointments recently ?

 

Do you long to own a transit van (with a towbar) ?

 

Have you wondered how much lead is on the roof at krappy not arf ?

 

Have you thought to yourself " i only really need to bath occasionaly" ?

 

Have you just bought/ stole two lurchers ?

 

Are you finding it more difficult to read and wright ?

 

If the answer to any of these questions is yes then you may have gypo syndrone. You will then be forced out. At the posh end of the M27 we can see the signs and i believe you need help.

 

Liquidate the cheating f***ers quick Trev before it is too late.

 

 

God bless swedish chainsaws:bun:

 

Perhaps not the best word to get 'wrong' in the context of the post:blush:

[OldNick]

Perhaps not the best word to get 'wrong' in the context of the post:blush:

Frank he put a smiley at the end and so I suspect it was how he wished it to be

[Weston Super Saint]

Absolutely. The haste of the Rangers players to jump ship compared to the reluctance of the 'oh so loyal in January' Pompey players is the biggest 'nutshell' moment for me thus far.

 

It's beautiful isn't it?

 

Especially since Birch has been all over the news a few weeks ago reminding the players that all they need to do is hand in 14 days' notice and they can walk away for free, no strings attached, go find another club and continue their careers - those that still have them

 

Isn't it intriguing that NOT ONE of the loyalest bestest players have agreed to do this

[jjsaint]

I’d love it if we offered TBH a deal (reduced wages of course) on the proviso that he sees out his Pompey contract.

[OldNick]

It's beautiful isn't it?

 

Especially since Birch has been all over the news a few weeks ago reminding the players that all they need to do is hand in 14 days' notice and they can walk away for free, no strings attached, go find another club and continue their careers - those that still have them

 

Isn't it intriguing that NOT ONE of the loyalest bestest players have agreed to do this

those players have had an easy ride so far, wait until the training starts and they have to face the fans one to one. The pressure will be become intense and TB etc know that that pressure will become unbearable as it gets closer to the end. I have no doubt the players will give in as the hate campaign will become pretty fierce. I couldnt say it wouldnt be the same with us. Anyone around in the Branfoot days will know how awful fans can be and that was not about survival

[andysstuff]

those players have had an easy ride so far, wait until the training starts and they have to face the fans one to one. The pressure will be become intense and TB etc know that that pressure will become unbearable as it gets closer to the end. I have no doubt the players will give in as the hate campaign will become pretty fierce. I couldnt say it wouldnt be the same with us. Anyone around in the Branfoot days will know how awful fans can be and that was not about survival

 

We are then in the scenario where the players would quite rightly be putting in a case for constructive dismissal. Whichever way you look at it they, like Chinny, WILL get their money.