Crab Lungs Posted 17 June, 2012 Share Posted 17 June, 2012 Phew....welcome back sir....we all thought you'd been nobbled :-) Hello again! I'm nobble-free, thankfully. I will do that timeline... I will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvaughanwilliams Posted 17 June, 2012 Share Posted 17 June, 2012 I guess the key word there - tiny little word!! - is PAY. That is the exact opposite of what the skates are trying to do. They want the players to leave without being paid in order to save the club. It's not the player's fault that the idiots running the club signed them up to stupid contracts. As far as they are concerned, they have a contract. Why shouldn't they be paid for the contract! My understanding is that the current offer is that the unwanted players get paid a proportion of their outstanding contractual dues over 5 years or more. Probably starting on the 5th of Never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 17 June, 2012 Share Posted 17 June, 2012 My understanding is that the current offer is that the unwanted players get paid a proportion of their outstanding contractual dues over 5 years or more. Probably starting on the 5th of Never. They would be bloody daft to do any deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 17 June, 2012 Share Posted 17 June, 2012 They would be bloody daft to do any deal. The creditors in CVA1 did a deal.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 17 June, 2012 Share Posted 17 June, 2012 The creditors in CVA1 did a deal.... Not yet they didn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 17 June, 2012 Share Posted 17 June, 2012 OK so it has taken me all day to get back up to speed thanks to my hols. Sue who the hell is that old tart on Italy's Euro 2102 show? I must say the ONLY thing I am shocked at so far is the complete lack of any mention of PCFC in relation to the corrupt sale of tickets for the Olympics. Surely we can't be seeing the FIRST signs of a lack ability to get involved in EVERY dodgy deal on the planet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 great prize the man is becoming a saints legend' date=' doing more damage to the skates than any other player[/quote'] He is indeed! Cheats FC have provided us nutjobs with quite a few legends, and laughs, over the last few years. The Ice Cream Doctor, Al Mirage, The Storrie Teller, The Undertaker Prossie lover, Chinny, Comical Andy, Child maimer Jr., The Clot, Voldermort, the old dear on the scooter, The JoCa, Roman and Vlad, ... the list goes on. But I have a soft spot in my heart for TBH. I'd gladly buy him a pint or three, even though he could afford to buy a few million himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 Has 'Arry bought them yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 When do the League 1 fixtures come out? Think the few will become fewer once the real glamour ties are announced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 Not yet they didn't I meant they agreed to it! Big mistake... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 Pompey home to .... AFC Bournemouth .... Almost poetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 I like their run of Scnthorpe, Yeovil, MK Dons, Crewe, Shrewsbury, Stevenage - the mouth-watering fixtures just keep on coming - and that's if they make it that far. Those season tickets will be leaping off the shelves, Liam Lawrence will struggle to cope with demand. Coventry's name stands out, they must be looking round and thinking, how the feck did we end up here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckasaurus Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 Yeovil away was a cracking day out. Sunshine,pleasant fans,beer,90 min winner and a top curry house. God bless chicken tikka mossala Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingbattigger Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 Tony Husband on Twitter saying Russian investment back in Fratton Park? What have I missed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holepuncture Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 HMRC criticised over football insolvencies HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) was criticised by a leading figure in the insolvency industry for not getting involved in football insolvencies earlier. Lee Manning a partner at Deloitte and the current president of R3 claimed if HMRC got involved when it first saw PAYE problems there’d be more left for other creditors. During the same panel Trevor Birch of PKF, the administrator of Portsmouth Football Club, admitted one player alone at the club was earning more than the average entire wage bill for a league one side. http://www.insolvencynews.com/article/14099/corporate/hmrc-criticised-over-football-insolvencies- . God Bless theres only one Peter Storrie, and God Bless Tal Ben Haim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 I bet they'll sell out v Bournemouth and whip the media into a frenzy about their incredible support (probably live on TV), despite the turmoil of the previous few months. It'll be half empty v Oldham the follwoing week, but nobody will notice that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 @TonyHusbandBBC: #pompey #afcb Russian investment back at Fratton Park, Cherries at Portsmouth on opening day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevvy Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/582416578?-11209 Some want all their money, others willing to help. i will believe that when i see it, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/582416578?-11209 Some want all their money, others willing to help. i will believe that when i see it, Varney: "We know if the club get liquidated we lose everything we’re owed." Via Pompey, yes, but, again, are people purposely avoiding the fact that the FL and/or the PFA compensate the players? Or do they? (yes, I know this is the same question I posed last last week but I'm none the wiser as to whether the players are covered by the FL and / or PFA if Pompey are liquidated....anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 The striker insisted he has taken a significant cut in wages to help save the Blues from liquidation. No he hasn't, no one has taken a wages cut. They have deferred some, with the football creditor gold-backed assurance of full payment - and then had another deferral forced upon them, which has really ******ed them off by the sound of it. This 2nd deferral must be gobbling up PPs even quicker - and it explains how Birch is still trading, he isn't paying the staff much. I can't see things will improve when they all return. They can then sit around together and discuss how they have all been mistreated. And when Varney says he's hasn't had any contact from the club re an agreement, that makes Birch look like he's misleading people. He says he's negotiating hard with players, they say they've had a nice quiet holiday and not heard a thing... Just another little step towards dodging that Crawley Town fixture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 Hmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 Hmm. Is it wrong that I really laughed at that post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 Birsh is moving up the "hero's" ladder. Trying to convince the few he is doing everything he can to reduce costs and wages, but not actually contacting the players. Straight out of "How to run a football club" by Peter Storrie. Take a bow Mr Birch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 Is it wrong that I really laughed at that post? Hope not, otherwise I'm damned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 I know it's not strictly accurate as if they're liquidated there won't be any chance of them fulfilling their fixtures in League One (and they're not so integral to the balance of the entire nation's football that they could be parachuted back in like Rangers), but can we start referring to them as "Club 24" please ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 I know it's not strictly accurate as if they're liquidated there won't be any chance of them fulfilling their fixtures in League One (and they're not so integral to the balance of the entire nation's football that they could be parachuted back in like Rangers), but can we start referring to them as "Club 24" please ? Club 24, I like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony13579 Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 Twitter is suggesting you can get 20:1 on pompey being religated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckasaurus Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 If the players were to receive nothing in liquidation then by now quite a few would have moved. The fact they haven't speaks volumes me thinks.Club 24 are in deep doo doo. God bless that little pink bit,you know the one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/582416578?-11209 Some want all their money, others willing to help. i will believe that when i see it, Varney comments: ‘Trevor knows the lads won’t be leaving unless they are paid what they are owed. ‘It’s not money going forward. ‘When you leave a club you ask for a bit of the money from the future that is on your contract. ‘But this is money from the past, so the lads are going to want that before they leave. ‘I’ve not heard from anyone from Portsmouth. ‘And I’m sure there is a lot of work to be done before anyone leaves the club. Lovely jubbly. Total impasse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holepuncture Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 Twitter is suggesting you can get 20:1 on pompey being religated... If you can find a decent bookie offering that please send me a link, 20/1 would be a decent shout for appletons men to relegate... do you get your money back if they liquidate? I would like to invest my (now withdrawn) pompey trust pledge monies on a skate humiliation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertySFC Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 Maybe one of the players can take this new role - 50k per year Portsmouth Football Club are looking to appoint an experienced Commercial Manager to be responsible for the strategic direction and development of the commercial side of the business. The successful candidate will be expected to deliver commercially robust deals. Professional Competencies/Qualifications - You will need to be an experienced Commercial Manager with a proven track record of creating, selling and activating long-term commercial contracts and relationships across a diverse portfolio of international businesses - Excellent negotiation and influencing skills, able to engage with the commercial market place - Sound judgment, with a proven track record of making the right decisions in light of competing pressures within tight timescales and with constrained resources - To be able to lead by example, to be an experienced manager of staff and a team player - To have evidence of achievement through working in partnerships - To have inspiring interpersonal skills and effectiveness - To have proven creativity and be able to generate ideas - Committed to achieving results and to have a commercial focus - To have very high integrity - To be an excellent communicator both written and verbal - Be able to challenge thinking and ideas within the business environment - To have previous experience in a C&B and sport environment If you would like a copy of the full job description please email heathercracknell@pompeyfc.co.uk If you wish to apply for this position please submit your CV and covering letter to vacancies@pompeyfc.co.uk The closing date for all applications is Wednesday, June 20 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 Portsmouth Football Club are looking to appoint an experienced Commercial Manager. - Sound judgment, with a proven track record of making the right decisions Anybody with sound judgement and a track record of making the right decsions wont be going anywhere near that job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cryoman1965 Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 Yeovil away was a cracking day out. Sunshine,pleasant fans,beer,90 min winner and a top curry house. God bless chicken tikka mossala you forgot the bus ride and cheesy peas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony13579 Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 If you can find a decent bookie offering that please send me a link, 20/1 would be a decent shout for appletons men to relegate... do you get your money back if they liquidate? I would like to invest my (now withdrawn) pompey trust pledge monies on a skate humiliation! I cant access gambling sites from here, I believe you do get a refund on not finishing the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 Maybe one of the players can take this new role - 50k per year Portsmouth Football Club are looking to appoint an experienced Commercial Manager to be responsible for the strategic direction and development of the commercial side of the business. The successful candidate will be expected to deliver commercially robust deals. Professional Competencies/Qualifications - You will need to be an experienced Commercial Manager with a proven track record of creating, selling and activating long-term commercial contracts and relationships across a diverse portfolio of international businesses - Excellent negotiation and influencing skills, able to engage with the commercial market place - Sound judgment, with a proven track record of making the right decisions in light of competing pressures within tight timescales and with constrained resources - To be able to lead by example, to be an experienced manager of staff and a team player - To have evidence of achievement through working in partnerships - To have inspiring interpersonal skills and effectiveness - To have proven creativity and be able to generate ideas - Committed to achieving results and to have a commercial focus - To have very high integrity - To be an excellent communicator both written and verbal - Be able to challenge thinking and ideas within the business environment - To have previous experience in a C&B and sport environment If you would like a copy of the full job description please email heathercracknell@pompeyfc.co.uk If you wish to apply for this position please submit your CV and covering letter to vacancies@pompeyfc.co.uk The closing date for all applications is Wednesday, June 20 2012 Why would they need that then ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edprice1984 Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 Maybe one of the players can take this new role - 50k per year Portsmouth Football Club are looking to appoint an experienced Commercial Manager to be responsible for the strategic direction and development of the commercial side of the business. The successful candidate will be expected to deliver commercially robust deals. Professional Competencies/Qualifications - You will need to be an experienced Commercial Manager with a proven track record of creating, selling and activating long-term commercial contracts and relationships across a diverse portfolio of international businesses - Excellent negotiation and influencing skills, able to engage with the commercial market place - Sound judgment, with a proven track record of making the right decisions in light of competing pressures within tight timescales and with constrained resources - To be able to lead by example, to be an experienced manager of staff and a team player - To have evidence of achievement through working in partnerships - To have inspiring interpersonal skills and effectiveness - To have proven creativity and be able to generate ideas - Committed to achieving results and to have a commercial focus - To have very high integrity - To be an excellent communicator both written and verbal - Be able to challenge thinking and ideas within the business environment - To have previous experience in a C&B and sport environment If you would like a copy of the full job description please email heathercracknell@pompeyfc.co.uk If you wish to apply for this position please submit your CV and covering letter to vacancies@pompeyfc.co.uk The closing date for all applications is Wednesday, June 20 2012 Constrained Resources! I almost ruined my work keyboard, coffee now trickling down the back of the desk!! ROFL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 Varney comments: ‘Trevor knows the lads won’t be leaving unless they are paid what they are owed. ‘It’s not money going forward. ‘When you leave a club you ask for a bit of the money from the future that is on your contract. ‘But this is money from the past, so the lads are going to want that before they leave. ‘I’ve not heard from anyone from Portsmouth. ‘And I’m sure there is a lot of work to be done before anyone leaves the club. Lovely jubbly. Total impasse. In other words (if I understand it correctly) he is saying that no player wants to move until they are fully paid their deferred wages - minimum. And that's without any (like, presumably, TBH and Kanu) who will also want their future (contractual) wages paid up before they leave as well. I guess it is the deferred wages that Birch keeps talking about in terms of 'compromise, to be paid a fraction of over the next 5 years or so'? And there was me thinking he was going on about the remainder of their contract. From this, I suspect Chinny doesn't even want to use some of the remaining pp's to pay money the deferred player's wages. He just wants it all for himself!! And a second wage deferral forced upon them? When did this happen? I know there was a rumour of wages not being paid, but I don't remember seeing anything in the media about non-payment or an increased deferral. I either missed it or they kept it VERY quiet. And, as it appears it was FORCED upon the players I guess this would a transfer embargo? I am sure they will get around it with the minimum 20 squad players (as well as no 'keeper) blag they used last year; but one would hope that if they do survive and are allowed to sign any other players the FL will insist that they can only sign those out of contract and have to put them on very low wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 Maybe one of the players can take this new role - 50k per year Portsmouth Football Club are looking to appoint an experienced Commercial Manager to be responsible for the strategic direction and development of the commercial side of the business. The successful candidate will be expected to deliver commercially robust deals. Professional Competencies/Qualifications - To have very high integrity - If you would like a copy of the full job description please email heathercracknell@pompeyfc.co.uk If you wish to apply for this position please submit your CV and covering letter to vacancies@pompeyfc.co.uk The closing date for all applications is Wednesday, June 20 2012 Why should high integrity be a prerequisite for an applicant when it is not a quality to be found in any of the club's past several owners? Why, it was a quality even lacking in their former chief executive, former Head of Integrity at the FA, Lampitt. Perhaps it was a typo and they were looking for somebody with no integrity, so that they would fit right in to the cess pit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 Their club is seriously f*cked, I'd suggest. Players won't leave until they are paid what they are owed. Birch has said they will pay what they owe in staged payments over a number of years. Birch claims some of the players will attract a transfer fee. Birch has also let it be known that the wage defferals mean that players can give 14 days notice and walk away from their contracts if another club comes in for them. So; no immediate rush for players to leave (they're still getting paid plus topping up their defferal pot). Hardly any movement of transfers right now; even if there was, what club with any business sense would add players to their wage bill when pre-season training doesn't start for another few weeks yet? And even then, with players available on a free, who is going to want to get anywhere near Dave Kitson's £19,000 per week (for 4 goals last season)? Or Kanu's thousands per week, for the privilege of not even being able to get through a training session! And we haven't even mentioned Super Tal yet, with his £2M wages for the year still required to be paid. One David Lampitt; there's only one David Lampitt.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 I dont see how their debt, including all wage deferrals isnt now higher than when Birch was appointed and why the administrators wouldnt then be liable for that debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 I dont see how their debt, including all wage deferrals isnt now higher than when Birch was appointed and why the administrators wouldnt then be liable for that debt. Quite. Perhaps the players could look to Birch to reimburse their deferred wages when it all goes tits up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/pompey-s-2012-13-fixtures-south-coast-derby-first-up-1-3962693 "Pompey will start their League One campaign with a mouthwatering south coast derby clash against Bournemouth." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/pompey-s-2012-13-fixtures-south-coast-derby-first-up-1-3962693 "Pompey will start their League One campaign with a mouthwatering south coast derby clash against Bournemouth." I wonder if Bompey are relishing the thought of visiting Notarf Krap as they were SMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holepuncture Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 I wonder if Bompey are relishing the thought of visiting Notarf Krap as they were SMS Im sure they will look forward to it, however they will be dissappointed to discover there will be no beer, no hot water, no tea bags, a brick wall for a toilet, fat in the pipes... and that nasty smell of TCWTB in the air. On a side note of disgust and hilarity, we have witnessed the clubs desire to hire a commercial manager, after screwing hundreds upon hundreds of commercial partners in the region... and now they want a charity manager, after multiple instances of ripping off and stealing from charities even down to childrens cancer charities. http://www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/LatestNews/news/Fundraising-Marketing-and-Events-Coordinator-3478.aspx I like the bit about raising the clubs profile etc... hmm, just one suggestion, stop stealing from charities! Shalala Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essruu Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 http://www.sundayworld.co.za/sport/2012/06/18/mbazo-is-back---aaron-mokoena-is-on-his-way-to-join-wits It looks like Mokoena might be on his way. No mention of any transfer fee, but at least his wages will be gone. One down, ten to go Birchy Boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 http://www.sundayworld.co.za/sport/2012/06/18/mbazo-is-back---aaron-mokoena-is-on-his-way-to-join-wits It looks like Mokoena might be on his way. No mention of any transfer fee, but at least his wages will be gone. One down, ten to go Birchy Boy. shame because he is utter pony. Must have had a huge relegation wage reduction clause in his contract for them afford him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 shame because he is utter pony. Must have had a huge relegation wage reduction clause in his contract for them afford him. He will have accepted the "we'll pay your contract off over 5 years" deal. Still doesn't get them off the hook. He's on the wage bill for the next 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 I'm sure Bompey will enjoy visiting that sh1thole and joining in with a rendition of "if you all hate scammers". Small time clubs, small time mentalities. Maybe they can share bucket rattling duties outside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 Varney comments: ‘Trevor knows the lads won’t be leaving unless they are paid what they are owed. ‘It’s not money going forward. ‘When you leave a club you ask for a bit of the money from the future that is on your contract. ‘But this is money from the past, so the lads are going to want that before they leave. ‘I’ve not heard from anyone from Portsmouth. ‘And I’m sure there is a lot of work to be done before anyone leaves the club. Lovely jubbly. Total impasse. And that's the player who vows "he's doing all he can to keep Pompey breathing". With friends like that, who needs enemies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 18 June, 2012 Share Posted 18 June, 2012 I dont see how their debt, including all wage deferrals isnt now higher than when Birch was appointed and why the administrators wouldnt then be liable for that debt. I reckon (and I may be wrong, as I often am ) that Trevor and the FL had a little "understanding", that the Cheats would not be wound up earlier (avoiding causing a mess for the fixtures), and in return Trevor won't be liable for the wage deferrals. Instead, they will be paid out of the usual FL/PFA sources if (and when) the cesspit of a club finally gets liquidated in the coming hours/days/weeks/years (take your pick). Of course, they may even get lucky, and the legendary highly-paid players, who fought bravely but in vain to escape the drop, will have a change of heart and voluntarily forgo millions of pounds in wages in order to save the club they have fallen in love with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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