goneawol Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Pompey in trouble Portsmouth’s battle this summer to avoid liquidation will draw fresh attention to the scandalous transfer that highlights the serial mismanagement of the troubled club. Pompey were already on their knees financially when it was somehow agreed by then chief executive Peter Storrie, on transfer deadline day at the end of August 2009, to pay Israel defender Tal Ben Haim a basic £8m over four years plus image rights. Ben Haim, whose agent is Pini Zahavi, has turned down an offer of £350,000 to leave the stricken Fratton Park club with a League One season remaining on his ludicrous deal. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2152412/Avram-Grant-join-England-squad-Auschwitz--Charles-Sale.html#ixzz1wQyAo4P3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 and let's not forget that any unsustainable signing they made wasn't an unfortunate misjudgement, these signings were completed to beat off competition from other clubs. They outbid rivals to prevent them from getting players. They paid over the top to gain a sporting advantage. Signings like Ben Haim were not unfortunate errors, there was a deliberate policy to gain an advantage in an underhand way, a form of cheating that could have been put down as a mistake, until it was repeated. And that's why they deserve punishment not sympathy. Poor plucky pompey with their greedy players is actually greedy underhand pompey trying to get Bristol City or Millwall relegated instead by giving contracts they could never pay. Any fan who cheered Norris, Kitson, Lawrence or Varney and didn't question the funding has to take it on the chin. The carcass wasn't savaged by the nasty league or the world recession, it was self-harming all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 @pn_neil_allen: Appleton has solution to #Pompey goalkeeping conundrum. http://t.co/wC3729i0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Interesting to read a few of the posts this morning and there seems to be a tilt that many now are coming to terms that Pompey have indeed got away with it. The FL/FA and authorities seem to be all in the old boys club and just say to Pompey 'never mind old chap, you are a bit of a scallywag but carry on' How about a poll, Have/will Pompey got away with it It's not just the League though, all the other clubs have a big say in what will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Interesting to read a few of the posts this morning and there seems to be a tilt that many now are coming to terms that Pompey have indeed got away with it. The FL/FA and authorities seem to be all in the old boys club and just say to Pompey 'never mind old chap, you are a bit of a scallywag but carry on' How about a poll, Have/will Pompey got away with it So far it's been a thoroughly enjoyable tale with them tumbling into League One. If an additional penalty is not forthcoming with the failure of CVA1 then I agree, they haven't been punished enough, but we are not there yet and the FL may surprise us. At least the condition of the financies and infrastructure at club makes it highly unlikely promotion is on the cards soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 pompey in transfer policy U-turn shock!...how about this bombshell from financial guru Appy... You have to be realistic, we have a budget which I am sticking to. Finally, after years of painstaking investigation through the debris of two administrations, someone has spotted where it all went wrong. Appy and his shrewd team of scientists from the University of Insolvency have discovered that pompey....spent more than they earned... This startling confession should be enough to satisfy the league that the leopard has changed it's spots and that all fixtures can be completed - the future looks rosy. No, not the manky jetsetting tax-avoiding mongrel that sh!t on the beach. You don't know what the "budget" is yet. He said that he had to be realistic in sticking to the budget. He didn't say that the budget itself was realistic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 It's not just the League though, all the other clubs have a big say in what will happen. Really ?? How ?? They have all been very quiet so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 @pn_neil_allen: Appleton has solution to #Pompey goalkeeping conundrum. http://t.co/wC3729i0 The answer soon will be - move the jumpers slightly closer together and claim everything was 'over the bar' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Really ?? How ?? They have all been very quiet so far It's an AGM. The Board will be lined up along the top table, and the CEO's or Administrators of the 72 clubs will be the "shareholders" voting on each resolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durleyfos Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 If Tal Ben Haim is still at P*mpey at the start of next season, may I suggest that we sponsor him for being a Saints legend. Would love to see it in the matchday programme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 It's an AGM. The Board will be lined up along the top table, and the CEO's or Administrators of the 72 clubs will be the "shareholders" voting on each resolution. Fair enough, but they didn't do a lot when Pompeys debt was circa £140 Million, and it was clearly obvious even to Ken Dodds Accountant that they were trading INSOLVENT .......... so what makes you think that they will act when the debt is only a paltry £50 Million (circa) Don't forget, Portsmouth has a long Naval history. When the UK had a Navy, Pompey's Naval base was always filled with discharged semen. Someone at the FA/FL is still trying to keep them Top of the Pile Doesn't always work though. The Romans ruled most of the known world 2000 years ago. Now WE go to their villas for holidays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Fair enough, but they didn't do a lot when Pompeys debt was circa £140 Million, and it was clearly obvious even to Ken Dodds Accountant that they were trading INSOLVENT .......... so what makes you think that they will act when the debt is only a paltry £50 Million (circa) Don't forget, Portsmouth has a long Naval history. When the UK had a Navy, Pompey's Naval base was always filled with discharged semen. Someone at the FA/FL is still trying to keep them Top of the Pile Doesn't always work though. The Romans ruled most of the known world 2000 years ago. Now WE go to their villas for holidays The clubs in League 1 (and 2) operate on totally different budgets to the Premier League and even the Championship so I would expect there to be some very strong 'reminders' to the Football League Board about having an unfair advantage, level playing field, integrity of the competition, all that sort of thing. The point is that the Footbal League operates on behalf of its members, it is not an independent body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 The clubs in League 1 (and 2) operate on totally different budgets to the Premier League and even the Championship so I would expect there to be some very strong 'reminders' to the Football League Board about having an unfair advantage, level playing field, integrity of the competition, all that sort of thing. The point is that the Footbal League operates on behalf of its members, it is not an independent body. OK, thanks for that. It's a pity the likes of Luton and Darlington cannot "remind" the FL what they did to them Bournemouth can though In Pompeys case it certainly time for a great many chickens to come home to roost It is wrong for a poor Businessman to go to the wall for being owed a few thousand pounds by the Skates, when the so called Skate "Business" is allowed to rack up (1st time) circa £140 Million, and (2nd time) circa £50 Million AND STILL BE ALLOWED TO TRADE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Pompey's Naval base was always filled with discharged semen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Is "Denmeadblue" on the News forum one of us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Is "Denmeadblue" on the News forum one of us? No, he's just very sensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 OK, thanks for that. It's a pity the likes of Luton and Darlington cannot "remind" the FL what they did to them Bournemouth can though In Pompeys case it certainly time for a great many chickens to come home to roost It is wrong for a poor Businessman to go to the wall for being owed a few thousand pounds by the Skates, when the so called Skate "Business" is allowed to rack up (1st time) circa £140 Million, and (2nd time) circa £50 Million AND STILL BE ALLOWED TO TRADE My pleasure. I have a competitor who has wound up his company at leat twice owing hundreds of thousands and he is still trading in the same business, offering 5-year warranties that are worth nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 @solentsport: Pompey is hard to sell - Appleton: Portsmouth manager Michael Appleton admits the continuing uncertainty over th... http://t.co/zlYRRTpp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Trousers - pompey is hard to give away for free with a 14 million cash incentive on top :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Sick of it now. Points deduction might be irrelevant, their future is fcked regardless, but as keeps getting pointed out, it's the principle of it, not to mention a deterrent to other clubs. How the hell can you not punish a club for paying nothing towards a CVA then agreeing a far better deal for themselves, having extended debt even further? There are 2 outcomes for the FL to consider. 1) PFC are fcked, but the FL doesn't act and other clubs realise they can get away with the same 2) PFC are fcked, but the FL does act and this sort of cheating begins to get stamped out the game 3) PFC are fcked, but the FL doesn't act against them as their get out clause is their rules dont cover it... they then change their rules and close the loop hole to prevent this - as nearly always happens .... the pompey donkey has long since run to the hills before the FL even realised the stable door was left ajar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 @pn_neil_allen: Appleton has solution to #Pompey goalkeeping conundrum. http://t.co/wC3729i0 I'll play! Okay, I may be the wrong side of 40 now, I'm only 5'8" and I'm not actually any good... but it's better than nothing. And picking me would be the honourable thing, too - because if the Football League don't hit them with a big points penalty, then putting me in goal instead will have about the same effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 The L1 salary rule will be the killer for them. There is no way that L1 clubs will allow them to have an unfair advantage and for the 1st time, it's the clubs with the power over pompey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 https://twitter.com/lewisstockford/status/208161537175715840 Players not paid again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 https://twitter.com/lewisstockford/status/208161537175715840 Players not paid again It says something that we would all be more surprised if they had been paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooh it's a corner Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 I feel sorry for the lesser paid footballers. Like the rest of us, not having any money go into the bank at the end of the month is cause for pain when money comes out at the start of the following month. That said, it is a free market and they are entitled to go and work somewhere else. Perhaps the wages are a bit less, but at least you get paid on time. Pretty bad timing I would suggest for the imminent FL AGM. Shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 I see the new, improved, 'News' comments section has crashed again. Must be fat in the internet cables. And just in time to stop anyone linking to the players not paid again tweet....what a coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickn Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Well didn't TB say the money would run out at the end of May? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 https://twitter.com/lewisstockford/status/208161537175715840 Players not paid again Do the Football League know about this? Do any journalists around the country know about this? Do any of the other 23 clubs in League One know about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 https://twitter.com/lewisstockford/status/208161537175715840 Players not paid again Hang on, surely this is the administrator's responsibility/liability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Neil Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Wrong file sent to the bank again oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Players not being paid is the responsibility of PKF. The Skates must be burning a big hole in their pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Dave Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Pompey in not making payments non-shocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Players not being paid is the responsibility of PKF. The Skates must be burning a big hole in their pockets. P'raps the administrators have cashflow / solvency problems. Pompey tends to do that to people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 This is big news surely (though am wary of extrapolating from a single twitter comment). If, with the protection that admin gives, they still cannot pay their running costs as they fall due, then there is no clearer indication that they are insolvent. They are now racking up more debt - which is what admin is specifically designed to prevent - and therefore every day that passes makes the creditors' position worse. Liquidate the DFCSBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 (edited) Not paying the players wages...means one of three things is about to happen. 1. The club isn't being financed anymore through the Admin process, so needs yet more of Baloo's money to continue until a takeover takes place. 2. The club isn't being financed anymore through the Admin process, so needs to be sold immediately. 3. The club isn't being financed anymore through the Admin process, so needs to be liquidated. Meanwhile... The Pompey Pages @Pompey_Pages The Daily Star are claiming Tal Ben-Haim wants £2m to tear up his contract, which still has a year remaining - the same amount he'll earn! Surprised face. Edited 31 May, 2012 by gaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 I thought the money from selling Ward to palace was going to be enough to pay this months wages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 So two days before they have to convince the league that they can make it through the season financially... the players haven't been paid... Sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 I thought the money from selling Ward to palace was going to be enough to pay this months wages? Yes but only TBH and Lumpitt's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 So two days before they have to convince the league that they can make it through the season financially... the players haven't been paid... Sounds about right. It started today and finishes tomorrow. http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/pompey-administrator-confident-as-football-league-meeting-starts-1-3901641 So they haven't paid the wage bill on the very day they have to convince them they can make it financially! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint J 77 Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Not paying the players wages...means one of three things is about to happen. 1. The club isn't being financed anymore through the Admin process, so needs yet more of Baloo's money to continue until a takeover takes place. 2. The club isn't being financed anymore through the Admin process, so needs to be sold immediately. 3. The club isn't being financed anymore through the Admin process, so needs to be liquidated. Meanwhile... The Pompey Pages @Pompey_Pages The Daily Star are claiming Tal Ben-Haim wants £2m to tear up his contract, which still has a year remaining - the same amount he'll earn! Surprised face. Nice to see he is dedicated to the Pompey cause then! Instead of bleeding blue blood for pompey, he is bleeding them dry! haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 It started today and finishes tomorrow. http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/pompey-administrator-confident-as-football-league-meeting-starts-1-3901641 So they haven't paid the wage bill on the very day they have to convince them they can make it financially! Unfortunately I doubt the people in that meeting who need to know player/or players? Are not getting paid probably will have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 (edited) Whilst at the same time as not paying their players Meanwhile, free agent Kelvin Etuhu has been offered a permanent two-year contract to stay. A new 12-month deal has been tabled to Marko Futacs on reduced terms, too. http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/pompey-boss-calls-for-swift-conclusion-to-ownership-bid-1-3899724 Edited 31 May, 2012 by pedg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essruu Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 @pn_neil_allen: Appleton has solution to #Pompey goalkeeping conundrum. http://t.co/wC3729i0 I was expecting a revolutionary rush- goalie solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudders Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Just means it'll be more bewildering when the league say 'yeah that's cool we're convinced'. Exactly what I was just thinking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 It would be interesting to see how you vote on that one, Nick. Hutch, you'd love to play me at poker,Lol Reading that they might not have paid the wages is an interesting development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 It started today and finishes tomorrow. http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/pompey-administrator-confident-as-football-league-meeting-starts-1-3901641 So they haven't paid the wage bill on the very day they have to convince them they can make it financially! why is the FL meeting in Portugal??? oh the gravy train, not a case of spending that money on grass roots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Surely when administration is used to put a failing company back on track & the administrator is then responsible for loading more debt onto the company. Have we if these rumours are true about players not being payed, has this point not been reached? Time to do your job Birch put a stop to this farce shut the DFSCB's down. It does seem to have some legs here, with the Pravda site's comment pages down. But hey Appy carry on regardless go out look at players, offer deals you can't complete. In fact just carry on cheating as it appears that their is no one who has the balls to stop you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 Pompey Online's reaction... http://www.pompeyonline.com/forums/index.php?threads/lewis-stockford.61017/ "What is sad about it exactly? He will get no sympathy from me." "agreed - isnt he out of contract next month??" "Have I missed something about this lad? He's probably only on a very low wage." Bunch of geniuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 (edited) Pompey Online's reaction... http://www.pompeyonline.com/forums/index.php?threads/lewis-stockford.61017/ "What is sad about it exactly? He will get no sympathy from me." "agreed - isnt he out of contract next month??" "Have I missed something about this lad? He's probably only on a very low wage." Bunch of geniuses. not surprised at those comments. typical of the "f*ck everyone else,i'm ok " attitude shown by the DFCSB's Edited 31 May, 2012 by latter day saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 31 May, 2012 Share Posted 31 May, 2012 The pompey fansonline message board is down (Well up, but you cant post anything) and the news message board is switch off.................... Where's Trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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