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Oh, and as for Donny, this is what most of them think about the phew:

 

http://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=232686.0

 

There is only two users that have a bad word to say about the pompey fans. Among the others comments are "best fans in championship".

 

Just show me one, just one, from anyone not connected with your club , a posting on a message board, a mad rambling of an old woman, anyone, just one person saying that you are the best fans in the league/england/world.

 

Go on just one.

 

Then when you have found one, see if you can find another. See if you can find ten. I bet you cant. We can - easily. And loads more.

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There is only two users that have a bad word to say about the pompey fans. Among the others comments are "best fans in championship".

 

Just show me one, just one, from anyone not connected with your club , a posting on a message board, a mad rambling of an old woman, anyone, just one person saying that you are the best fans in the league/england/world.

 

Go on just one.

 

Then when you have found one, see if you can find another. See if you can find ten. I bet you cant. We can - easily. And loads more.

you should see what Cov fans think of you.....not a good read

28 arrests after smashing up local pubs

 

 

yeah, great fans you are

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Thedelldays

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oh, and pompeyinreading...

 

we don't have to prove anything...we have far more fans than you and that is a fact...

we don't have to prove anything to you..

it is YOU for year keep going on and on about being the "best fans in the world™"

 

so what if a few of you dress up as smurfs and dance about a bit...we have the same wig wearing idiots at our club...

its nothing new....nothing special

 

its easy to patronise when a club is down...we had it loads when we were hit with -10 in league 1...so many commentators humouring us saying we are a prem club stuck in league 1 etc etc etc

 

sadly, means f-all really

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Frank's cousin

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There is only two users that have a bad word to say about the pompey fans. Among the others comments are "best fans in championship".

 

Just show me one, just one, from anyone not connected with your club , a posting on a message board, a mad rambling of an old woman, anyone, just one person saying that you are the best fans in the league/england/world.

 

Go on just one.

 

Then when you have found one, see if you can find another. See if you can find ten. I bet you cant. We can - easily. And loads more.

 

Ha ha... we DONT claim to be the 'best fans in the world' - like 99.9% of clubs we have the same mixture, noise makers , wierd and various levels of dedication to travel - its far bigger than yours, but when does size matter - its your constant assertion that you are taht is so ridiculous based on absolutely no evidence that is so laughable - yet when presented with equally dubious anecdotal eveidence that you are not, its suddenly not sufficient?

 

Where are the 220,000 you claimed now? or more like where are the 5000 that failed to fill yor ground at most home games this season - sure we dont fill ours anly average 25k this year, but we aint claiming to be the best - surely the best would not have desserted the pompey ship just because of few bad results and dodgy owners?

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There is only two users that have a bad word to say about the pompey fans. Among the others comments are "best fans in championship".

 

Just show me one, just one, from anyone not connected with your club , a posting on a message board, a mad rambling of an old woman, anyone, just one person saying that you are the best fans in the league/england/world.

 

Go on just one.

 

Then when you have found one, see if you can find another. See if you can find ten. I bet you cant. We can - easily. And loads more.

 

Sadly for you it is uninformed people from oputside who see plucky little Pompey fans being brave in adversity, and the British inclination to back the underdog. What you don't get is they are patronising you, going 'Ahh bless' at the toothless Portsea granny boasting that she is up for a lap-dance. I'd cringe if we were getting those comments.

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been out all day and come home to the worrying bombshell headline that Ben Haim is off. :scared:

 

Having seen the detail, thankfully he isn't going anywhere until he's paid up, but it had me worried for a mo! - nice bit of News spin, no facts, just standard agent talk, looking to engineer a move from a sunk ship.

 

I like the idea that some of the few think the oldCo debt can be dumped while the Golden Share can be carried forward, even though the two are stapled together in the same sealed envelope.

A bit like the purchase of the cup and the folk involved - airbrush the child-maimer, the building debts, and the greedy players from 2008, but continue to claim the dodgy cup win from the era. :?

 

 

 

On a technical point, I presume that CVA1 hasn't REALLY failed as long as CVA1 creditors AND CVA2 creditors agree to new terms this summer.

If CVA1 creditors don't vote yes to a further brutal raping, then the club is exiting admin without a CVA.

Looks like they have just delayed the failure, consolidating all their points penalties into one easy package.

 

 

Talking of dodgy CVA1, where is the king of close-to-the-wind financially-based comedy AA?

He is always good value for entertainment, and he's the only administrator who signs more autographs than Ben Haim. :lol:

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Player released on a free transfer.

 

Wages must be paid up to end of contract period or player does not have to take a free transfer if he is under contract

 

New salary to be agreed with new club

 

Signing on fee in lieu of a percentage from a transfer fee percentage would have to be agreed

 

Someone wants to take TBH he will have to have his contract paid up - that would mean pcfc (yeah right as if) or the buyer = 2mil = 2mil cost to the buying club as in WHO THE FECK ELSE IS GOING TO PAY IT?

 

He just has to sit there and pick up his cash until there is none left, then he is in the same position.

 

Ergo someone doesn't give him the same or better deal, he will stay

 

No. I did not use the phrase 'free transfer' From the original post:

 

Where do you get a price tag of £2m? He will sign for another club as a free agent once his contract is cancelled. Believe me, we'll be well happy to see him go on a free....

 

If his contract is cancelled by mutual consent, rather than the player being given a free transfer, the player walks away with nothing. The player then becomes a free agent. The key phrase is 'mutual consent' i.e. he agrees to go. To be fair, he might agree to go if he's paid a percentange of the outstanding amount on his contract, sometimes described as a 'loyalty bonus', but usually a player leaving by 'mutual consent' is walking away with nothing...

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you should see what Cov fans think of you.....not a good read

28 arrests after smashing up local pubs

 

 

yeah, great fans you are

 

Indeed, just like the derby game at SMS where FOUR of yours were arrested to ONE of ours.

 

4-1.

 

Again.

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I see the blue few are now excited over Norris and Ward pledging to the trust. That's 3 players so far from, their plucky squad. Wow!

 

Of course, it takes Norris ... oooh, errrm, maybe as much as 45 mins, even if you include nights in the calculation, to 'earn' £100, so he really is making a big sacrifice isn't he?

 

And they even seem pleased that he wants to stay at the club next season. On £15k a week! Of course he is keen to stay. No one else will pay him that much. That's why he signed for them in the first place. They just don't understand do they? The average L1 player is on £2k or £3k a week.

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Meanwhile the Trust is apparently encouraging people to borrow £900, paying back over £1100 after interest, so they can make the £1000. Have they no shame? http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/loan-share-scheme-will-help-pompey-fans-find-cash-1-3765844

 

Surely it would be simpler for every Pompey fan to hold back paying £1,000 income tax to HMRC and divert the cash to the Trust fund?

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I like the idea that some of the few think the oldCo debt can be dumped while the Golden Share can be carried forward, even though the two are stapled together in the same sealed envelope.

 

A bit like the purchase of the cup and the folk involved - airbrush the child-maimer, the building debts, and the greedy players from 2008, but continue to claim the dodgy cup win from the era. :?

 

Ah....yes....the Pompey cake that you can have AND eat....all at the same time....

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Saint_John

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BUT

 

And here is the big BUT.

 

The ONLY reason Newco got the Golden Share was BECAUSE Newco made a commitment to honour that old CVA. Now for sure under Admin regs that is not the case, but you can be damned sure that there was a letter somewhere from the FL when they granted the Golden Share back again.

 

Is this the statement from the Football League you mean ?

http://www.football-league.co.uk/championship/news/20101024/pompey-exit-administration_2293322_2193579

The Board of Directors of The Football League has agreed to transfer Portsmouth Football Club's share in The Football League to PFC Realisations Limited, a new company under the control of Balram Chainrai .......

.....will help the club live within its means going forward, as well as meeting the commitments made to the creditors of Portsmouth Football Club in accordance with the agreed CVA.

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Wes Tender

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There is only two users that have a bad word to say about the pompey fans. Among the others comments are "best fans in championship".

 

Just show me one, just one, from anyone not connected with your club , a posting on a message board, a mad rambling of an old woman, anyone, just one person saying that you are the best fans in the league/england/world.

 

Go on just one.

 

Then when you have found one, see if you can find another. See if you can find ten. I bet you cant. We can - easily. And loads more.

 

I seem to recall numerous compliments going our way after our Cardiff FA Cup Final when many said that we were the best fans that they had seen there. Many similar comments after the JP Trophy final too. Mind you, that might have been the best behaved fans, something that your load of uncouth oafs might struggle to be labelled as, even if you are capable of the loudest grunts.

 

But we're really not interested in a p*ssing contest along those lines and we are quite comfortable in the knowledge that our fan base is considerably larger than yours. Even when we were in the third division recently, we often had larger attendances than you when you were in the Premiership. That is loyal support and I'm quite convinced that a few years in wilderness will erode your hardcore support to half its current level, which is really quite shocking in itself, bearing in mind the parlous state of your finances (as usual) and the desperate need for revenue.

 

Why, I even thought that I had read somewhere recently that you had booed one of your players.

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No. I did not use the phrase 'free transfer' From the original post:

 

 

 

If his contract is cancelled by mutual consent, rather than the player being given a free transfer, the player walks away with nothing. The player then becomes a free agent. The key phrase is 'mutual consent' i.e. he agrees to go. To be fair, he might agree to go if he's paid a percentange of the outstanding amount on his contract, sometimes described as a 'loyalty bonus', but usually a player leaving by 'mutual consent' is walking away with nothing...

 

You've just stated as fact that he walks with nothing if his contract is cancelled 'by mutual consent', and then immediately go on to say that he might get a percentage of the amount outstanding on his contract.

 

The bottom line is that if the player agrees to go by mutual consent, free transfer or any other way you want to cut it, it will be on the terms on the player, not the club.

 

If the player isn't happy to leave, he'll sit tight and there's nothing the club can do about it.

 

He has you by the balls.

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I have great envies reading bout all the patronising pat on heads the pompey fans enjoy after a defeat. Sweet consolation that would be!

 

How can we get this for ourselves? Don't worries Bearsy has 5-step plan!

 

1. Intimidating Stadium

Demolish St. Mary's and build smaller, crappier stadium with no corporate stuff, no mod cons like toilets and no space between touchline and crowd. We could bring back supertight nets like at the Dell that would be sweet!

 

2. No daytrippers

We need to be the sort of club which don't attract casual fans. Sh!t stadium will help here. Sh!t team would help too. Also if we could have bad rep as club in decline that should put off a few.

 

3. No middle classes

We need to eliminate the middle classes from the stadium. Bit of a prob cos of our catchment area - how about free tickets for unemployeds and discounts for those living in council houses? Also non-working toilets might help keep out civilised people.

 

4. Little brother / short man syndrome

We need a bigger, classier local rival that we can be all bitter about. Open to suggestions how to get this tho.

 

5. Less likeable players.

We don't seem to have enough out and out cu nts in the first team at the mo. We're a little too nice. I'm thinking Jamie O'Hara would be perfect! We could also pay him stupid wages and this will help with insolvency events and introduce a nice End of Days feel to out noisemakings!

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Frank's cousin

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Indeed, just like the derby game at SMS where FOUR of yours were arrested to ONE of ours.

 

4-1.

 

Again.

 

 

Even when we regularly wasted you several years ago, I never realy bought into 'bragging rights' based on a one off derby, but especially when there were 50 league places between us and about a squillion pounds in wages - the fact that we held our own in that cup game against your over paid mercenaries you forget to mention - but anyway, bragging rights tend to come with league position and , ...oh i dont know, size of club, quality of infrastructure etc - you know the things on which a club can build and look forward to a decent future rather than 90 minutes in a local derby where anything can happen - as we saw a few weeks ago, couple of decent strikes against the run of play and you base your entire footballing satisfaction on a couple of draws.. whilst the 'temple' crumbles - I suspect there are far more folk in portsmouth looking forward to the clubs demise and the eventual closure and sell off of the ground... all the pikeys standing ready with their vans to pickup the scrap from the roof, although I suspect they would struggle to find a buyer for the fat filled pipes.

 

The only reason why there are some naive souls within football that are indded offering some sympathy is that they are simply not in poscession of all the facts, most fans outside Southampton believe you paid of your debts from the last administration... so you get the patronizing sympathy simply because of ignorance of the real state of affairs.

 

If those at Coventry and Doncaster and others who have spent the last few season struggling financially and played the kids despite what it meant for league position + the other fans of all clubs knew how you continued to screw the system, the tax man the local business and charities, ..... and did it again whilst others did the decent thing, I suspect most would soon change their tune.... I have never diespised any club or its fans - I do however despise what your club has done, and the fans that are so deluded that they still defend it.... its really rather simple

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Frank's cousin

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I have great envies reading bout all the patronising pat on heads the pompey fans enjoy after a defeat. Sweet consolation that would be!

 

How can we get this for ourselves? Don't worries Bearsy has 5-step plan!

 

1. Intimidating Stadium

Demolish St. Mary's and build smaller, crappier stadium with no corporate stuff, no mod cons like toilets and no space between touchline and crowd. We could bring back supertight nets like at the Dell that would be sweet!

 

2. No daytrippers

We need to be the sort of club which don't attract casual fans. Sh!t stadium will help here. Sh!t team would help too. Also if we could have bad rep as club in decline that should put off a few.

 

3. No middle classes

We need to eliminate the middle classes from the stadium. Bit of a prob cos of our catchment area - how about free tickets for unemployeds and discounts for those living in council houses? Also non-working toilets might help keep out civilised people.

 

4. Little brother / short man syndrome

We need a bigger, classier local rival that we can be all bitter about. Open to suggestions how to get this tho.

 

5. Less likeable players.

We don't seem to have enough out and out cu nts in the first team at the mo. We're a little too nice. I'm thinking Jamie O'Hara would be perfect! We could also pay him stupid wages and this will help with insolvency events and introduce a nice End of Days feel to out noisemakings!

 

I feel the need to report you as I have now spilled my chilled middle class glass of sauvignon blanc over my work laptop - and have pulled a muscle between two ribs.

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So then: "More 'lies' about Pompey's support. This time from Derby and Doncaster. Funny how these 'lies' just keep coming don't they?" is met with the response: "Enjoy Yeovil you cu nt."

 

Well ok, call me Mr Picky, but that response doesn't seem to tie in terribly well with the idea that: 'To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction'.

 

Still, it's a start. Now, especially for 'view from the top', here's a few tips: next time you feel the need to respond to a post on here, try to think of something that adds to the debate, and if you need to make a counterpoint, try to formulate your argument into a series of words (it's called a sentence) that really describe your point well!

 

Then, if you really, really can't resist, simply add "you cu nt" at the end. Unfortunately, you'll lose a fair amount of impact with that last bit, but keep plugging away, you'll get the hang of it in no time at all! ;)

 

Whichever way I wrap it up, with prose and syntax, the basic truth remains, I think you're a cu nt and I hope your club dies.

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Well, for a start what about the charming reception our buses got on their way out of your place after the derby game? The '80 year old toothless granny spitting vile abuse' and the dog walker 'sliding to a halt (in one his own dogs turds by the sound of it :lol:) to stick two fingers up a the passing Pompey fans'? Not very Mensa is it? You're just as bad as us.

 

 

 

What 'myth'? It's not us heaping praise on ourselves, it's almost everyone else who comments upon us! You just hate it don't you? Go on, admit it!

 

 

 

It was possible because someone was funding it. A bit like yourselves, yes? How's your balance sheet lately, hmmm? Lets look at the last seven years shall we? -3.6m, -2.8m, -2.7m, -4.7m, -9.3m, -7.8m, -11.5m.

 

Oh, and 93% of wages to turnover. IF you go up, that ratio isn't going to come down is it?

 

 

 

We're not all that naive you know. We used to regularly say that we should enjoy the good times while we could in case the money ran out or the owners got bored and pulled the plug. That's why I've always given you lot the backhanded compliment that you gambled money you couldn't afford (if you went down) on SMS, we gambled money we couldn't afford (if Gaydamak ever pulled the plug) on players. At least you got a new ground out of it.

 

I'll accept that we crashed and burned more spectacularly than you did, mainly due to a Premiership turnover being about five times that of Championship club, and more of the little people are still out of pocket which is a disgrace, but the principles causes of our problems are the same.

 

Cue yet more tired lines such as: 'thick skate does not get it', 'you couldn't make it up', 'anyone written to the FL about this', 'toast', 'comedy gold', etc etc etc....

 

Oh shut up you boring retarded skate cu nt.

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Indeed, just like the derby game at SMS where FOUR of yours were arrested to ONE of ours.

 

4-1.

 

Again.

 

 

Pikey123

 

How about this for a FACT that you cannot dispute:

 

pompey league 1 V SAINTS minimum 1 league above you.....now that is the only fact that matters.

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YEP

 

CVA can be taken out the equation if it disappears FL gave the Golden Share back based on newco commitment to pay it

 

What's to stop the Football League "doing a Pompey" and discarding what they said they would do before and coming up with a new arrangement, just for an easy life?

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Dont thinnk Appy will mind being a gay icon - its the slightly camp army in the background that are 'backing him up' that add to the effect

 

You've also got to love how Appleton is being hero worshipped. For what, exactly? It just demonstrates how stupid and particularly how fickle they are. Michael Appleton is not a hero. He's a glorified coach who wanted to make a name for himself, so he took a job where he was promised money to spend and fed tales of great potential and amazing fans. He couldn't give a toss that it's Portsmouth - if it had been Wycombe he'd have probably taken the chance up. Sorry, but maybe its just this part of Hampshire that knows what true heroes are made of.

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You've also got to love how Appleton is being hero worshipped. For what, exactly? It just demonstrates how stupid and particularly how fickle they are. Michael Appleton is not a hero. He's a glorified coach who wanted to make a name for himself, so he took a job where he was promised money to spend and fed tales of great potential and amazing fans. He couldn't give a toss that it's Portsmouth - if it had been Wycombe he'd have probably taken the chance up. Sorry, but maybe its just this part of Hampshire that knows what true heroes are made of.

 

True, I think the term commonly used in the media during such times is perhaps ' he was ill advised' to take on the job. He is obviously not ready, I dont think he stood a cats in hell's chance of getting the overpaid mercenaries to play for him or the club - when they could be bothered they still had enough quality they could not afford to beat the drop depsite the -10, but they just could not be arsed, depsite receiving hero status for staying (to safeguard their ridiculous contracts).

 

I am glad they would have just about survived without the -10, as its the only way it became a punishment, and despite what tehy are crying about, so far its been bloody lenient. I think many of their fans have still not recognised that even if sold for 5 mi, at that level, they have not chance of getting a CVA agreed - and so exiting woithout one + second admin in 2 years is going to see more points deductions for next season - a welcome to L1 surprise awaits them.

 

I suspect that they may as DP says find the FL 'ignore' the unpaid old CVA as it stands and not dock points for that as their rules dont allow for it (it being unprecedented and all), and its easier for them, but they can not ignore an exit from admin without a CVA in place - thats a min of -10 or even -17 etc..... thats assuming chinney keeps em going as I can see anyone else on the horizon...

 

Did they not understand the concept of 'Icarus'?

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What's to stop the Football League "doing a Pompey" and discarding what they said they would do before and coming up with a new arrangement, just for an easy life?

 

I very much doubt that doing so would give them an easy life; quite the reverse. Other clubs would have something to say about it, for starters.

 

Either way, I think it's pretty much irrelevant anyhow; all this theorising rests on the assumption that Pompey will find a buyer in the first place. As things stand, the trust has nowhere near the amount required, and clearly won't get near it either; there is no other serious candidate to buy the club; and Chainrai is unlikely to come to the rescue as he won't get more out than he'll have to put in. I posted this same thing yesterday morning; when I looked on here again in the evening, there was a link posted in which Birch said pretty much exactly the same thing.

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What's to stop the Football League "doing a Pompey" and discarding what they said they would do before and coming up with a new arrangement, just for an easy life?

 

Their members.

 

Oh and like they did a pompey to Luton et al.

 

Anyway they won't have to as we all know.

 

TBH contract will be terminated by mutual consent for nothing - PMSL

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So the trust are still around a million, about where they were 3-4 weeks ago. Is that Susan Boyle I can hear clearing her throat?

 

Technically the trust is still around £100,000, some or all of which could be withdrawn at any moment, and with no guarantee on the remaining 900,000 being provided if asked for.

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by the end of the week a fund supporting a marathon runner that nobody knew will exceed the pompey Trust's warchest.

 

And no one will go into debt to give, no one will be worried about losing an investment, they will just have been moved by her story and her efforts to help others.

 

To support something financially you need an emotional attachment - so the sad fact is that not enough people care about pompey.

 

Football results - Irony and Karma League Division 3,

pompey 0, Charity 5.

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by the end of the week a fund supporting a marathon runner that nobody knew will exceed the pompey Trust's warchest.

 

And no one will go into debt to give, no one will be worried about losing an investment, they will just have been moved by her story and her efforts to help others.

 

To support something financially you need an emotional attachment - so the sad fact is that not enough people care about pompey.

 

Football results - Irony and Karma League Division 3,

pompey 0, Charity 5.

 

What they need is a famous fan to sacrifice himself for the survival of the club--step forward TCWTB.

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True, I think the term commonly used in the media during such times is perhaps ' he was ill advised' to take on the job. He is obviously not ready, I dont think he stood a cats in hell's chance of getting the overpaid mercenaries to play for him or the club - when they could be bothered they still had enough quality they could not afford to beat the drop depsite the -10, but they just could not be arsed, depsite receiving hero status for staying (to safeguard their ridiculous contracts).

 

I am glad they would have just about survived without the -10, as its the only way it became a punishment, and despite what tehy are crying about, so far its been bloody lenient. I think many of their fans have still not recognised that even if sold for 5 mi, at that level, they have not chance of getting a CVA agreed - and so exiting woithout one + second admin in 2 years is going to see more points deductions for next season - a welcome to L1 surprise awaits them.

 

I suspect that they may as DP says find the FL 'ignore' the unpaid old CVA as it stands and not dock points for that as their rules dont allow for it (it being unprecedented and all), and its easier for them, but they can not ignore an exit from admin without a CVA in place - thats a min of -10 or even -17 etc..... thats assuming chinney keeps em going as I can see anyone else on the horizon...

 

Did they not understand the concept of 'Icarus'?[/QUOTE]

 

 

They think it is from a nursery rhyme

 

" Icarus, Dicarus, Dockus "

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True' date=' I think the term commonly used in the media during such times is perhaps ' he was ill advised' to take on the job. He is obviously not ready, I dont think he stood a cats in hell's chance of getting the overpaid mercenaries to play for him or the club - when they could be bothered they still had enough quality they could not afford to beat the drop depsite the -10, but they just could not be arsed, depsite receiving hero status for staying (to safeguard their ridiculous contracts).[/quote']

 

Was he ill-advised to take the job, or clever?

 

Look at where he was then and where he is now. Then he was a total unknown in English football, a decent second in command, respected by those at West Brom, but nowhere else. Yes, he could perhaps have gone to some small lower league club and steadily gained a reputation for himself by gaining promotion for them.

 

But via this route, he has taken over a club which has a much higher profile, what with their recent sojourn in the Premiership and their success in the FA Cup (although both of course undeserved, as they were bought with money they didn't have. So he has raised his profile considerably, yet nobody realistically expected him to produce miracles. Had he done so and kept them up, regardless of the -10 points, then that would have increased his profile immeasurably, but even as it is, everybody knows him and most would say that he had made a decent fist of it under very difficult circumstances. Additionally, he comes across as a decent man, dignified and measured, (belying his uncouth yob appearance :p)

 

And he is doing the right thing making noises of rebuilding the club from the ground up, with promising youngsters, showing qualities of loyalty and willingness to fight for what is a pretty well lost cause.

 

But I suspect that the plan really, is that now having raised his profile in quite a short time, he will be on the radar of other clubs looking for a decent young manager and that he will jump ship as soon as the first decent offer comes along. In any event, that offer will in all probability be from a bigger club than would have come in for him had he gone via the other route of small club manager.

 

Perhaps I'm crediting him with a lot more intelligence than he possesses, but viewed in this light, it is a clever way to fast track his career, with his reputation enhanced, with little risk that he would be blamed if it all went pear shaped for the Skates, which it has.

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Was he ill-advised to take the job, or clever?

 

Look at where he was then and where he is now. Then he was a total unknown in English football, a decent second in command, respected by those at West Brom, but nowhere else. Yes, he could perhaps have gone to some small lower league club and steadily gained a reputation for himself by gaining promotion for them.

 

But via this route, he has taken over a club which has a much higher profile, what with their recent sojourn in the Premiership and their success in the FA Cup (although both of course undeserved, as they were bought with money they didn't have. So he has raised his profile considerably, yet nobody realistically expected him to produce miracles. Had he done so and kept them up, regardless of the -10 points, then that would have increased his profile immeasurably, but even as it is, everybody knows him and most would say that he had made a decent fist of it under very difficult circumstances. Additionally, he comes across as a decent man, dignified and measured, (belying his uncouth yob appearance :p)

 

And he is doing the right thing making noises of rebuilding the club from the ground up, with promising youngsters, showing qualities of loyalty and willingness to fight for what is a pretty well lost cause.

 

But I suspect that the plan really, is that now having raised his profile in quite a short time, he will be on the radar of other clubs looking for a decent young manager and that he will jump ship as soon as the first decent offer comes along. In any event, that offer will in all probability be from a bigger club than would have come in for him had he gone via the other route of small club manager.

 

Perhaps I'm crediting him with a lot more intelligence than he possesses, but viewed in this light, it is a clever way to fast track his career, with his reputation enhanced, with little risk that he would be blamed if it all went pear shaped for the Skates, which it has.

 

 

Good points

 

And then add in the fact that he is on a "paltry" and no doubt "deferred" wage of just about nothing. They'll be lucky to keep him longer than when the transfer window opens

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Good points

 

And then add in the fact that he is on a "paltry" and no doubt "deferred" wage of just about nothing. They'll be lucky to keep him longer than when the transfer window opens

 

But even then, surely more than he would have been on as number two at West Brom? Win, win for him, eh? And only a year out of his life, whereas via the other route it might have taken several years to achieve the recognition he has now.

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