Kingsland Red Posted 15 April, 2012 Share Posted 15 April, 2012 Getting married on 2nd June - ladies and gentlemen, please be upstanding for the Football League Why would anyone marry the Football League ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambert1979 Posted 15 April, 2012 Share Posted 15 April, 2012 I was thinking more of the toast - appropriately! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 15 April, 2012 Share Posted 15 April, 2012 (edited) their denial is such that they will still insist that they can stay up after today... Don't look behind you,,,,,,Fat Sam's on your tail Edited 15 April, 2012 by mack rill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 15 April, 2012 Share Posted 15 April, 2012 their denial is such that they will still insist that they can stay up after today... Don't look behind you,,,,,,Fat Sam's on your tail If we look behind us we'll see 22 teams, yourselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 15 April, 2012 Share Posted 15 April, 2012 But the fallback postion is the paly offs which 99% of fans would have taken pre season Pompeys default position, if they do avoid relegation, is actually another default and possible liquidation No comparison really!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 18 Posted 15 April, 2012 Share Posted 15 April, 2012 If we look behind us we'll see 22 teams, yourselves? Good put down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 15 April, 2012 Share Posted 15 April, 2012 hey Mack me old mucker - I'd rather look over my shoulder and see Fat Sam loitering in the shadows than see Chanrai dressed in a hood, holding a sickle, and firing up a bulldozer... We'll be alright, don't you worry about us, we'll either feck it up, or we'll go up. Either way the sun will come up again tomorrow and we'll live to fight another day having enjoyed the best two seasons in living memory....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 15 April, 2012 Share Posted 15 April, 2012 hey Mack me old mucker - I'd rather look over my shoulder and see Fat Sam loitering in the shadows than see Chanrai dressed in a hood, holding a sickle, and firing up a bulldozer... We'll be alright, don't you worry about us, we'll either feck it up, or we'll go up. Either way the sun will come up again tomorrow and we'll live to fight another day having enjoyed the best two seasons in living memory....... meanwhile down the road.... NEW EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES WE are looking for bright, self motivated and willing to learn individuals who would like to develop a career in retail management. At TESCO, the UK's largest grocery retailer we value our employees - you will be offered a competitive salary, company pension and opportunities for self and career development. If you would like to know more about carreer opportunities at our new Fratton SuperStore, please contact Mrs C. Hinery, Human Resources, Tesco (Fratton)..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 15 April, 2012 Share Posted 15 April, 2012 if we look behind us we'll see 22 teams, yourselves? zing!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draino76 Posted 15 April, 2012 Share Posted 15 April, 2012 Cool. The last few posts have cheered mre up somewhat..... Reading this thread is always like smoking a cigar, drinking your first drink after a hard days graft, removing ill fitting shoes or having a shuffle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockportsaint Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 First penalty and sending off decisions were truly awful. Temporary and unjust reprieve for the DSBs. Also the Kitson "goal" would have been better suited being score by Michael Jordan - it wasn't even a subtle handball - Kitson barged their keeper and then flicked his hand above his own head to knock the ball in from about 3 feet. There was also a blatant foul on a Donny player in the build-up to the fourth goal (the winner, without which they'd be a point to Brizzle from relegation). Even Steve Claridge called the referee's decisions into question on the FLS last night - said you could take issue with every Pompey goal. Does make you wonder whether TB found a brown envelope down the sofa in the boardroom and passed it to yesterday's ref - allegedly of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockportsaint Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Cool. The last few posts have cheered mre up somewhat..... Reading this thread is always like smoking a cigar, drinking your first drink after a hard days graft, removing ill fitting shoes or having a shuffle. Is "having a shuffle" a new slang for what I think it is? Knocking one out, clearing the custard, choke the chicken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 In a way Bristol City needing to get something from West Ham is a good thing, perhaps the Skates have helped us here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 I'm not one for conspiracy theories so I'll just assume that the ref had the worst game in his career. But with the swings and roundabouts lottery of refs and linesmen, pompey can never complain about a decision EVER again in their history. In any of their remaining three games. So Baker Tilley have surfaced - Mr Carton-Kelly told creditors in the letter: ‘My investigations into the affairs of the company, prior to the original administration in February 2010, are still on-going, which may result in actions being taken against various parties, which if successful may result in funds available for creditors.’ 1. That's a long investigation.... 2. There should be action taken. 3. There will be no more money. 4. Sounds like financial irregularities to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevvy Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/562233545?-11209 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holepuncture Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/562233545?-11209 Family firm Jumping Jacks is owed £696 for equipment it provided for a fun day at Fratton Park in October. Owner Clarie Davies said it ‘leaves a bad taste in the mouth’ Such a classy outfit, gushing with integrity... family club of the year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Originally Posted by News Family firm Jumping Jacks is owed £696 for equipment it provided for a fun day at Fratton Park in October. Owner Clarie Davies said it ‘leaves a bad taste in the mouth’ Such a classy outfit, gushing with integrity... family club of the year! I would love to see Neil Allen defend that, especially after his nasty attack on Sibley after the FL awards dinner who RIGHTLY questioned that award. Not only did they rip off the local businesses again, not only did they make low paid inhabitants of Portsmouth unemployed whilst spending fortunes on salaries. They EVEN conned the FL by arranging Family Events AND NOT PAYING FOR THEM. (Oh and where is the troll these days - you know, the one with the assertion that everything was fine, they wouldn't do it all again, The Head of Integrity was in charge....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dingbattigger Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Whilst I feel very sorry for those small/family businesses that have been screwed over by them there is a tiny bit of me thinking "what did you expect with their track record?" How any journo can defend them is beyond my understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Whilst I feel very sorry for those small/family businesses that have been screwed over by them there is a tiny bit of me thinking "what did you expect with their track record?" How any journo can defend them is beyond my understanding. Yes. You do wonder why any business or organisation ever allowed them credit after last time (or the time before , or the time before that, or .....) 'Cash in advance or nothing doing' will surely be the message for the future IF they survive. For example why are St John's Ambulance still attending games given they are owed c£50k? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockportsaint Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 full "highlights" of their Donny game up now: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17643457 Foul for the first penalty was outside the area, and there was another defender covering, so yellow card and freekick, rather than red and penalty. Second pen was for handball - whacked into the defender from about 2 yards away, hardly intentional. 3rd goal now actually looks like a slam-dunk by Kitson, plus the barge on the Donny keeper a moment earlier should have meant Kitson got a yellow, or possibly 2, one for each offence. In which case he wouldn't have been on the pitch to help with the 4th goal. 4th is probably a foul by Kitson in the build-up to Futacs' shot. That ref probably needs to avoid South Yorkshire for a couple of years. Still, as was pointed out elsewhere, the fact that Pompey can still catch Brizzle means Brizzle have incentive to beat Wham. If this had been a Donny win, then Pompey would be down and Brizzle would only have Coventry to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/562233545?-11209 Non-payment of the Poppy Appeal money? How low can they sink? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_saint Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Any players left for tomorrow? BBC SolentSport : Tal Ben Haim and Benjani both still out, Kelvin Etuhu a doubt after a family bereavement #pompey BBC SolentSport : Joel Ward and Jason Pearce both picked up knocks against Doncaster, didn't train today and are doubts for tomorrow against Palace #pompey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holepuncture Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 full "highlights" of their Donny game up now: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17643457 Foul for the first penalty was outside the area, and there was another defender covering, so yellow card and freekick, rather than red and penalty. Second pen was for handball - whacked into the defender from about 2 yards away, hardly intentional. 3rd goal now actually looks like a slam-dunk by Kitson, plus the barge on the Donny keeper a moment earlier should have meant Kitson got a yellow, or possibly 2, one for each offence. In which case he wouldn't have been on the pitch to help with the 4th goal. 4th is probably a foul by Kitson in the build-up to Futacs' shot. That ref probably needs to avoid South Yorkshire for a couple of years. Still, as was pointed out elsewhere, the fact that Pompey can still catch Brizzle means Brizzle have incentive to beat Wham. If this had been a Donny win, then Pompey would be down and Brizzle would only have Coventry to worry about. Dont worry, he is more than welcome in the peoples republic of portsea... Kitson believes the ref was spot on with his decisions: http://www.chichester.co.uk/sport/football/pompey-latest/kitson-reckons-under-fire-ref-got-decisions-spot-on-1-3738278 The cheating knows no bounds... Bent refs aside, we have a new cheesy campaign to sit back and watch fail dismally... Weve had fortress fratton, weve had pack the park and now weve got .... back the buyout They still have no idea how much they need, what the money will actually buy, how long it will last or how much they need... PMSL... reading the deluded article it suggests if they cant raise enough to buy the club or if 'ballbag Chainrai' outbids them, they will give all the cash to Gadymack for his carpark... PMSL (Still no solution whatsoever to the £14m of football creditors/legally binding playing contracts to be paid next year) http://www.portsmouth.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=279596 Never knew Chainrai has shareholdings and links with a Russian bank which is a competitor of Latvia Krabankjas... owned by our favourite gangster and banker, Mr Antonov! http://www.rietumu.com/press?OpenDocument&nid=914EDCCB6EE45E5AC22576EA0044EBB8&sub= http://www.rietumu.lv/ Whatever all these Russian, middle eastern and Asian mobsters have been up to all these years... the end game (as predicted here) must be approaching soon. What a rollercoaster ride it has been! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 I'll miss this thread when they finally die off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/562233545?-11209 63 woodstock Monday, April 16, 2012 at 02:49 PM It seems that the High Court Judge working on the Football Creditors Rule will be giving his judgement "before the end of the season." I was surprised to see that some of the creditors on the list were as a result of the Fans Day in October (see Jumping Jack), an event organised by the Portsmouth Supporters Trust. Pehaps we need some clarification? The wannabe owners showing they have what it takes, I see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Just had an e-mail the headline A week of laughs at Jongleurs Portsmouth. You dont need jongleurs for that!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 63 woodstock Monday, April 16, 2012 at 02:49 PM It seems that the High Court Judge working on the Football Creditors Rule will be giving his judgement "before the end of the season." I was surprised to see that some of the creditors on the list were as a result of the Fans Day in October (see Jumping Jack), an event organised by the Portsmouth Supporters Trust. Pehaps we need some clarification? The wannabe owners showing they have what it takes, I see! FFS ! is being a cheating,thieving lowlife part of the schooling down there or just breed into them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Does anyone know if/where I can get a full list of the creditors that were never paid? Got a score to settle with a skate about the charities etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Does anyone know if/where I can get a full list of the creditors that were never paid? Got a score to settle with a skate about the charities etc. Yeah in the last 5 - 10 pages on here PKF report Click link opens PDF file Save then print - one HELL of a lot of pages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wibble Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Does anyone know if/where I can get a full list of the creditors that were never paid? Got a score to settle with a skate about the charities etc. Don't know how well these will show up but click the thumbnails and then you should be able to click again to zoom in, gave up when it got to employees as there were so many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Just had a week away and come back to find the PKF report. Couple of things: - The list of creditors shows OldCo (Baker Tilley) at 16.5m - HMRC are then separately listed at 9.9m (PAYE & NI) and 500k (VAT) ... so this can't be the OldCo debt as that's covered by the 16.5m ... ? - But the text part of the document (and the balance sheet) shows 1.5m (PAYE & NI) and 735k (VAT) Also, is there any irrefutable proof yet that the 16.5m isn't going to end up back at the original c. 80m? Given that the CVA was agreed by the OldCo creditors to be 20%, then it doesn't simply stay at 20% if the CVA is not honoured. I.e. the contract has been broken by OldCo, so the creditors should not have to honour their part either. So on that basis, OldCo (care of Baker Tilley) arguably owes £80m again. The question is therefore what are the terms agreed between OldCo (Baker Tilley) and NewCo (now in administration). The answer is not at all clear ... do BT get lumbered with the whole lot? Surely not. The key trick that AA pulled was the liquidation and transfer of assets... and it looks like a clever move right now, but if it was done with the intention of avoiding the CVA payments, then that might come back to bite them... I have every expectation this will only get settled in a courtroom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 lol at the Idiots that have managed to get a whole £1m 'pledged'. Just another 85% to go to buy a company making a £10m+ losses pe year. BBC Late Kick Off fawning over the bestest's efforts. All those mad enough to pledge towards this venture would have done so in the past two weeks, they are deluded beyond belief if they think they can get the rest. Personally I hope they do, the continued losses and infighting will keep this comedy going until their next administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Is it just me or has the rumafia website been shut down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 16 April, 2012 Share Posted 16 April, 2012 Pompey fancy themselves as charitable souls. Jason Prior, who plays for AFC Wimbledon, suffered a nasty double leg break playing against Crawley at the weekend. He's a Portsmouth native (oh dear) and is recuperating at home. Portsmouth have offered to take care of him, rather than him travel to and from Kingston upon-Thames every day for treatment. AFC Wimbledon have taken them up on the offer and he's being cared for by the Portsmouth medical team. As a native of Kingston upon-Thames and someone who keeps up with AFC Wimbledon but a Saints fan, I'm not sure how to feel. I suppose I can take the line of 'how the **** can they afford it?'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 (edited) Is it just me or has the rumafia website been shut down? I was looking at it Monday, Steve, particularly the Antonov assasination attempt and those allegedly responsible. Today? "This Account Has Been Suspended" Edited 17 April, 2012 by Guided Missile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Of course, I did keep the text of the Antonov story before the account was suspended: German Gorbuntsov, a former influential banker, addressed the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation with a written admission of guilt. He claims having participated in contracting the murder attempt on Aleksandr Antonov, Convers Group co-owner and the father of recently arrested in London Vladimir Antonov, co-owner of Saab car manufacturer and of Portsmouth English football club. Aleksandr Antonov As a result of the 2009 shooting attack by killers, Antonov Sr. became handicap. Gorbuntsov claims to have played a minor role in the attack, referring to a banker Petr Chuvilin and to Sergey Mendeleyev, Investbank and STB bank co-owner and Spartak hockey club board chairman, as the main contractors. The Investigative Committee is officially checking the information stated by Gorbuntsov in his written admission of guilt. However, everything in this story has long been clear to the police. Contractors would have long been arrested but for one fact. Allegedly, a major role in the murder attempt was played by Chechnya Republic President Ramzan Kadyrov’s “right hand”, Adam Delimkhanov. Here is Rumafia version of the mentioned crime, now investigated by security services of the Russian Federation. All those whose names were mentioned in connection to the murder attempt have long been involved in shady activities of Russian banks, taking part in money laundering and transactions of large sums of money. Among active members of the Antonovs’ shady team there were Viktor Yampolsky and Sergey Mendeleyev. Yampolsky was a business partner in their banking activities and Mendeleyev was a top-manager. Chuvilin and Gorbuntsov’s banking team had friendly relations with the Antonovs. The two clans sold banks to each other, shared money laundering schemes, etc. One of the deals between the two clans was the Antonovs selling Stolichny Torgovy Bank (STB) to Chuvilin and Gorbuntsov. The atmosphere during singing the agreement was friendly. Moreover, Sergey Mendeleyev, appointed by the Antonovs, retained his top executive position in the bank. Evgeny Dvorskin Chuvilin, Gorbuntsov and their partner Evgeny Dvorskin, a shady finance expert, for over a year used STB for various illegal transactions until they faced a major problem. At some point of time Andrei Krapivin, an advisor on banking to Russian Railroads president Vladimir Yakunin, deposited 660 million dollars on the account of the railroad state monopoly in the bank. High interest rates added annually to the sum the bank owed the railroad company finally reaching $1 billion. In 2008 Krapivin suddenly refused to prolong term of the deposit and demanded that the bank paid out the money. By that time all those involved in shady activities had long used the sum on Russian Railroads account for their needs. Chuvilin, Gorbuntsov, and Evgeny Dvorskin decided to use their government, FSB and Central Bank connections to solve the issue. Yakunin in his turn addressed directly the Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. As a result, all the people related to STB activities, including Mendeleyev, had to undertake reimbursing the billion dollars owed to the railroad company. Furthermore, the Antonovs were also to contribute and to pay out $100 million they had used while owning the bank to acquire foreign assets including SAAB car manufacturer. Aleksandr and Viktor Antonov refused to pay, so did Yampolsky. They cited two reasons for the refusal. The first one was that Chuvilin and Gorbuntsov knew about the Russian Railroads deposit when buying STB, so nobody tricked them. The second reason was that it had been a year since the agreement was signed and during that year the buyers used the bank as they pleased, putting claims forward only now. A major conflict burst out and Chuvilin decided to resort to big wheels. Adam Delimkhanov At that point of time he was working on promoting ZATO-bank, in which head of the Chechen Republic Ramzan Kadyrov was to become a shadow co-owner. The financial institution was established with the help of the funds taken from the STB account of Russian Railroads and budgetary funds to which Kadyrov referred to as "money sent to the republic by Allah". Chuvilin was even appointed an advisor to the head of the republic. He complained about the Antonovs directly to Kadyrov, pointing out that their reluctance to participate in paying out the missing money could harm ZATO-bank as well. Kadyrov instructed his Moscow “right hand”, State Duma deputy Adam Delimkhanov, to sort out the issue. Chuvilin invited the Antonovs to meet with him on 28 January 2009 in Zolotoy restaurant on Kutuzovsky Prospekt. He came there with Adam Delimkhanov. The MP threatened the Antonovs saying that a criminal case would be instituted against them in Chechnya and that they would be arrested and taken to a prison in Chechnya, a republic that could be called autonomous de-facto. At the end of their conversation Delimkhanov said the following: "You will not only pay out the $100 million, but you will give us everything you own and that still will not be enough". Aleksandr and Viktor Antonov reported the threat by the Chechen deputy and Chuvilin to the head of FSB and to the Prosecutor General. Delimkhanov found out about that immediately. The Antonovs believe that at that time State Duma deputy Delimkhanov had several teams of killers in Moscow who were organizing assassination of the Yamadaev brothers. One of the teams was headed by Gilani Shepiev, former mayor of Grozny nicknamed Bastion. As a result he was entrusted to begin organizing the assassination of Aleksandr Antonov. The contractors assumed that after the death of the father, Viktor would become more willing to pay out the demanded $100 million. Petr Chuvilin In early 2009, however, a conflict arose between Delimkhanov and Shepiev, who suddenly required doubling his pay for shooting Antonov. As a result, the murder was contacted to a more easy to deal with group of Chechen residents including Elim-Pashi Khatsuev, Aslambek Dadaev, and Timur Isaev, who in September 2008 successfully performed a contact to murder Duma ex-deputy Ruslan Yamadaev. Shepiev became an unwanted person to be eliminated. Delimkhanov’s men convinced a gunman on Bastion’s team, Khalid Molochaev, to do that, and at night on 5 February 2009 in Moscow Molochaev shot his boss Shepiev. On 11 March 2009 a killer in a vehicle opened fire at Aleksandr Antonov on Raspletin Street. Both the Convers Bank board of trustees chairman and his bodyguard Aleksandr Komarov were wounded, but both lived. Later investigators found out that it was Timur Isaev who was shooting and Aslanbek Dadaev who was driving the car. Immediately after the murder attempt the Antonovs left Moscow and settled in London. Aleksandr Antonov, who had five wounds, became handicap. All those connected to STB who remained in Russia constantly argued with each other. Chuvilin and Mendeleyev found common grounds with Krapivin and all together forced Gorbuntsov to pay out the missing billion dollars. Andrey Krapivin, advisor to Russian Railroads head, sent a friend of his, Boris Usherovich, to STB where Usherovich took the post of deputy chairman of the board of trustees. While working at the bank, he used to speak about his criminal connections. About kingpin Miksim Kurochkin nicknamed Maks Besheny ("besheny" is Russian for "crazy"), who in 2007 was shot by a sniper when Besheny was convoyed out of a court in Kiev. One day Usherovich invited for a conversation Larisa Gorbuntsova, the wife of German Gorbuntsov who preferred to register most of his assets as those belonging to his wife. The following events were in keeping with the best traditions of the 1990s. In the office apart from Usherovich there were four tough-looking men whom he introduced as members of Solntsevskaya gang. STB deputy board of trustees chairman made it clear that the folder on his desk contained documents transferring all of the couple’s assets into the ownership of other people and that Larisa must sign them. To be more convincing the gang men showed that they had guns. After that Usherovich told Larisa what future her family would have if she refused. According to the claim the couple filed to law enforcement agencies, STB deputy board of trustees chairman promised that Larisa would be kidnapped from the very office, that the Gorbuntsovs' son would be put behind bars over a framed-up case, and their house in Gorki-1 would be burned down next night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 and.... Sergey Mendeleyev As a result, Larisa signed all the documents and a few days later her husband also signed similar paperwork in similar circumstances. In their claim filed to law enforcers, the Gorbuntsovs say that they were thus deprived of a sports centre Dvorets Sporta Sokolniki CJSC, Industrial Financial Group STB CJSC, two land plots in Odintsovsky district, 100 thousand sq. metres of sales premises, shares in six banks and six factories. Total financial damage to the Gorbuntsovs was estimated at one billion dollars, a relevant sum for the whole STB story. The spouses filed the claim when they were already abroad, having hastily fled from Russia. However, Russian law enforcement officials dismissed the claim and did not initiate any criminal proceedings. In early 2012 German Gorbuntsov decided to make a bold move. His lawyer handed Gorbuntsov’s written admission of guilt to the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation. In this paper the banker tells about his participation in the organization a murder attempt on Aleksandr Antonov, and asks for state protection since he is apprehensive for his life. According to Gorbuntsov, he was only a witness during a conversation when the murder attempt was discussed, and Chuvilin and Mendeleyev were those who contracted the crime. It is noteworthy that Mendeleyev has recently been considered to be in friendly relations with the Antonovs and still keeps on good terms with them. According to Gorbuntsov, after eliminating Antonov Sr., Chuvilin and Mendeleyev not only would have forced his son to pay out the $100 million, but were also going to lay hands on the banks owned by the Antonovs, especially Investbank. Gorbuntsov did not disclose any facts concerning the role Delimkhanov played in the murder attempt so as to let the investigators get a green light to start an investigation. He only mentions him in a neutral context pointing that Delimkhanov was a mediator in the negotiations with the Antonovs. Not a single word point to his possible involvement in the murder attempt. In fact, Russian security forces knew who contracted the murder attempt and other details before the information was provided by Gorbuntsov. However, their version has it that Gorbuntsov and Chuvilin were the main contractors. Nevertheless, there is nothing they can do because of the involvement of Delimkhanov backed by Chechnya president Kadyrov, who enjoys full support of Vladimir Putin. German Gorbuntsov It is possible that having received Gorbuntsov’s written admission of guilt the Investigative Committee will try to put behind bars those who contracted the crime and leave Delimkhanov out of the investigation. According to the information collected by Rumafia, in early 2012 Investigative Committee chairman Aleksandr Bastrykin requested his subordinates to prepare a secret file concerning the case because President Dmitry Medvedev had asked him to make a report on it. Bastrykin and Medvedev had a meeting on 26 January. There is no information whether they discussed the delicate task the investigation poses. As for the two men Gorbuntsov pointed to as the murder contractors, Chuvilin had long been dismissed as advisor to Ramzan Kadyrov and is hiding somewhere abroad. It is unlikely that he would return to Russia. Sergey Mendeleyev had been summoned for questioning by the Investigative Committee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Don't suppose you kept the one about Reading's new not-in-any-way-identical-to-Gaydamak owner, did you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Don't suppose you kept the one about Reading's new not-in-any-way-identical-to-Gaydamak owner, did you? I did, actually: Boris Zingarevich Deputy Director General of Ilim Group He has been waging commercial wars for years Surname: Zingarevich Name: Boris Fathername: Gennadievich Position: Deputy Director General of Ilim Group Biography: Date of Birth: 08 July 1959. Place of Birth: Sebezh (Pskov region). 1981: Graduated from the Leningrad Technological Institute of Pulp and Paper Industry (specialty: machines and apparatus of PPI) 1991-1992: "Tekhnoferm”, the CEO 1985-1991: Leningrad carton factory, Master of cardboard shop, Production Manager 1981-1985: Kondopozhsky PPM, mechanic Since 1992 - Deputy Director General of Ilim Source: www.forbesrussia.ru Dossier: Until the early 90's Boris Zingarevich, along with his brother Michael worked as a mechanic at the Leningrad cardboard factory. In 1992 they created "Ilim Pulp" - a company for export of paper products. Then they got reassigned to the woods production, and over the years have bought about 30 logging companies - then timber industry enterprises were sold at very low prices. Easy money in the timber industry caused competition that turned into criminal fights. Most of them appeared to be in Arkhangelsk region, where the main enterprise of the holding - Kotlas PPM was. In the region, the company has developed a bad reputation to the extent that one day in January 2002, half the guests did not appear on the anniversary of the governor Anatoly Efremov, having learnt that Zingarevich brothers and their partner Zakhar Smushkin were going to be there. In spring 1999 the house of the head of the Arkhangelsk PPC Vladimir Krupchak was bombed. In the summer of 1999 the head of OAO “Solombalskiy LDK" Evgeny Drachev and his driver were kidnapped by unknown. A few months later director general of forestry complex the department of the regional administration, Alexander Bulatov was beaten. It’s difficult to say whether those events were connected to the activities of Ilim Pulp. However, its top managers- Smushkin and the Zingareviches could have argued with those people, because the struggle for supremacy in the timber industry was very tough, and Arkhangelsk region was considered a "fiefdom" of Ilim Pulp in the field. The regional law enforcement agencies had a huge dirt on the heads of the holding, but for some reason the case went "down on the brakes" every time. For example, the same story happened with the murder of Dmitry Varvarin, Director General of ZAP "Concern" Orimi”, the main competitor of Ilim Pulp. He was shot in St. Petersburg in March of 2000. The heads of Ilim Pulp, including Boris Zingarevich had sufficient motives for the killing, including the competition and the fact that Varvarin supported the campaign of Yuri Boldyrev for the post of mayor of St. Petersburg, which was obviously to fail. In addition, Varvarin owned shares of Ilim Pulp, so he begged Smushkin and Zingarevichey as his partners to allocate money for it. A few days after the murder of Varvarin, unknown people killed another founder of "Orimi”, Sergey Krizhan together with his family. Law enforcement agencies considered the version according to which the two murders were connected with the management of Ilim Pulp, as the most probable, but somehow forgot about it; the team of investigators was excluded from the investigation. Source: Kompromat.ru from 31.07.2002 The involvement of the heads of "Ilim Pulp" in the second killing has not been confirmed, as in 2005, Andrey Yurevich - the son of commercial director of “Plastpolymer", Victor Yurevich, and two accomplices - Alexander Ulyanov and Vyacheslav Shinkarev were sentenced for that murder. Krizhan was chairman of the board of directors of the company and clashed with Viktor Yurevich. The newspaper "Kommersant-Petersburg" № 216 (3300) on 17.11.2005 In spring and autumn of 2000, a new wave of crime passed. In March, the director of Agency Company, lumber exporter - Vladimir Malkov was attacked. And in October, the hotel "Polina", owned by Krupchak was set on fire. As leader of the Arkhangelsk Pulp and Paper Mill, he was a major player in timber market and he could have possibly conflicted to the Zingarevicheses and Smushkin quite often. In 2001 Dmitry Belyaev, External Manager of LDK-4 was attacked. Again, the connection with the management of Ilim Pulp was not confirmed, but it was on the cards, as Ilim Pulp had been seeking for the rule in the forest sector, and Belyaev could have threatened the interests of their company by his business, or could have simply competed with its leaders. Boris Zingarevich together with the companions did the business of "Ilim Pulp" not very successful, at least for their enterprises. The main one was the debts of Kotlas pulp and paper mill in Arkhangelsk region, Bratsk Timber Complex in the Irkutsk region, as well as others, they had ruthlessly cut down the forest, accidents happened frequently, the equipment was worn out or even broken. At the same salaries were miserable. Until 2000, the shareholders of Ilim Pulp had not received dividends. Ostensibly, they were invested in production development, but in reality everything was falling apart. The problem was that all the investments in production then were exempt from taxation. Once the tax credit was abolished, dividends went. In addition, it became clear that Kotlas Pulp came under the control of Ilim Pulp illegally: during the investment competition the money, which the company pledged to invest in a company, were transferred to its account for one day and then were sent back to the accounts of Smushkin and the Zingarevicheses. But formally everything looked legitimate. They purchased equipment for the companies in an interesting way: at very high prices, while in fact only half of it was brought. The money also flowed to foreign accounts of the firms affiliated with Ilim Pulp. Other financial frauds by the Zingarevicheses and Smushkin were turned in the Bratsk Timber Industry Complex (BTIC). First they formed huge debts for electricity for the budget of Bratsk and many others. And in 1998 the company established a subsidiary company OAO "Pulp and Cardboard Plant (PCP) and began to place there their liquid assets. Thus, BTIC eventually had unprofitable production and debts. The state had a stake in BTIC and did not impede the withdrawal of assets. Only Dmitry Medvedev, the current president objected that, then in 1993 he was Director of Legal Affairs "Ilim Pulp", and since 1998 -a member of the Board of Directors in BTIC. His relationship with the Zingarevicheses and Smushkin worsened, and in 1999 they were completely stopped - he was distracted by new concerns associated with climbing the career ladder. In October 2001 it became known that Ilim Pulp committed deals for the sale of pulp and paper factory to offshore companies. Then the shareholders of OAO “Irkutskenergo" which was the main creditor of BTIC - appealed to the federal agencies. They failed to find out the truth because of the legal tricks: documents submitted to the commission, were valid, but for the period prior to the fraud. After that the minority shareholders of BTIC went to court, and it ordered to reinstate the dismissed general director BTIC George Trifonov. He restored an order, paid the debts. The Zingarevicheses and Smushkin were defeated. But when in 2002 BTIC came under their control again, they began to restore the old order by dismissing disloyal people and replacing them with loyal ones, uncomprehending in the timber industry. In addition, the holding company began the blockade of the Ust-Ilim Timber Complex (UiLPK) by not sending paid commodity to the company. All forces were driven to expell the head of the trade union, Yuri Savinkov, they wrote denunciations to the prosecutor's office against the former Complex director Andrey Prokopov. The new head of UiLPK Vladimir Batishchev reported that Prokopov took away the production equipment. It was a slander - he just took jeeps belonging to the management company “Continental Invest”. In early February 2002 UILPK was entirely under the control of Ilim Pulp. Source: Kompromat.ru from 13.02.2002 In April 2002, Ilim Pulp lost control over Kotlas and Bratsk pulp and paper mills. There were two lawsuits from shareholders, after which the company’s shares were arrested, and then purchased for the benefit of companies affiliated with the actual new owners - "Basic Element", "Continental management" and "Banking House" Sankt-Petersburg". Oleg Deripaska was behind those machinations, who wanted to get a strategic advantage in the industry. Source: corp-gov.ru from 29.09.2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 and.... The management of "Ilim Pulp" disputed the transaction through numerous courts. There were information wars. The information agencies had the news spread that the Court invalidated the new board of directors elected by shareholders. It was misinformation. To gain access to the documents of Kotlassky PPM they forged execution lists and sent them to the office of registry holders. According to them it was necessary to issue registry documents. They also launched "a fake" that the registry of the Bratsk TIC was lost. In the end, "Ilim Pulp" prevailed in the information and judicial war. Businessmen managed to agree, but the true owner of the enterprises is still unknown. Representatives of “Bazel” argued that the blocking stake in the enterprises was still in the structures of Basel. Smushkin also announced that he possessed more than 90%. As the court ruled, the enterprises passed to Ilim Pulp. Perhaps the company paid Bazel some compensation. In any case, that was a good lesson for the Zingarevicheses and Smushkin and a signal that the empire they built up may well falter without gaining a strong support. Source: Kompromat.ru from 31.07.2002 In 2004, the media reported that Boris Zingarevich intended to acquire a large stake in English football club Everton. Upon the request of Zingarevich, that information was retracted. According to British media, the football club was really interesting to Zingarevich’s son Anton. He himself had no money to buy it, but he practiced abroad as a football manager. There is no information confirming the purchase plans. This episode is insignificant, but given that Boris Zingarevich studiously avoided the media spotlight, it looks interesting. Maybe it was advantageous for someone to put Zingarevich as a reckless spender and a wasteful man. Source: "Kommersant» № 155 (2994) on 24.08.2004 Also in 2004, there were rumors in the media that the company "Ilim Pulp" is going to buy the state Vneshtorgbank, and the then owner of Promstroibank Vladimir Kogan was to be an intermediary in the transaction. The price was to be inflated in more than a billion dollars. Journalists advanced the version of such a bizarre waste of public funds. They supposed, the billion would be withdraw from the State Bank and shared by individuals, including Zingarevich. In their opinion, the deal was scheduled to be held "under the guise of" Finance Minister Alexey Kudrin. However, no further speculation happened a the possible grand scam failed for unknown reasons. Source: Kompromat.ru from 23.09.2004 In 2006 the Zingareviches and Smushkin sold half of the holding to a foreign company International Paper, the world's largest pulp and paper corporation. In the name of the company they found a strong partner and a way to overcome the crisis that had began with the attack by Mr. Deripaska on Kotlas and Bratsk pulp and paper mills. Once they returned the enterprises, Deripaska exchanged his remaining shares to the stake in the Arkhangelsk Pulp and Paper Mill of Vladimir Kogan, and the latter gave them to the shareholders of Ilim Pulp. That is, everything returned to business as usual. However, after such a shake-up the Zingareviches and Smushkin realized they were not omnipotent, and their old methods to maintain the credibility in the timber industry had been no longer working. The holding company needed a powerful protection of the parties and they found such a support in the name of the foreign company. Source: Journal “Secret Firmy» № 48 (183) on 25.12.2006 In spring 2010 the authorities of St. Petersburg passed at once three buildings - the monuments of federal importance for the reconstruction of them as hotels - to the companies close to Zingarevich brothers. OOO “Lotus Oteli” received a historic building of the former barracks of the Life Guards of the Pavlovsky Regiment on the Marsovo Pole, 1. OOO “Orange-Development" acquired the building of the former court stables Office at Konyushennaya Ploshad, 1a. The third building was on Nevsky Prospekt, 7-9A, which is the Central Agency of Aviation and airline ticket place passed to OOO “IFG-Basis-Project”. Experts say that at the auction the buildings could cost a lot of money. However, they gave them under the decision taken at a closed meeting of the government. Thus, not only the interests of the city budget were violated, but of the potential buyers who could acquire the right to use the buildings through a fair competition. Source: "Kommersant" dated 05/21/2010 I feel a "Reading Takeover Saga" thread coming up..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Pompey fancy themselves as charitable souls. Jason Prior, who plays for AFC Wimbledon, suffered a nasty double leg break playing against Crawley at the weekend. He's a Portsmouth native (oh dear) and is recuperating at home. Portsmouth have offered to take care of him, rather than him travel to and from Kingston upon-Thames every day for treatment. AFC Wimbledon have taken them up on the offer and he's being cared for by the Portsmouth medical team. As a native of Kingston upon-Thames and someone who keeps up with AFC Wimbledon but a Saints fan, I'm not sure how to feel. I suppose I can take the line of 'how the **** can they afford it?'. What, given the evidence of the preceding 1216 pages, makes you think they have the slightest intention of paying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holepuncture Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Is it just me or has the rumafia website been shut down? They will be coming after SWF and the magnificent PTS contributors next... The Kroll report on Antonov (google kroll antonov) is still out there ready for downloading. It amazes me that the document is supposedly clearing his name, to me is does the absolute opposite. Don't suppose you kept the one about Reading's new not-in-any-way-identical-to-Gaydamak owner, did you? Very dodgy, surprised Madjeski has sold out to him. It will be interesting to see how it pans out for Reading! Nice bit of cringeworthy drivel about the bestest fans in the lands TM ©, praising the 800 few that went up to Donny (dont worry Donny, you will see them next year when the trust has raised £20m for Chinny et al) http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/pompey-fans-hailed-by-donny-chief-1-3739135 Back the Buyout! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vindaloo73 Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Wow 800 of the bestest of the bestest fans in the whole world to Donny. We took 1800 there!!!!!!! ***ts!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 more myths getting written in Portsea pubs. All scummers boo their own players and leave after 70mins, and apparently we all called for Nige to be sacked after they won a glorious point. Methinks they still don't get the difference between booing Nugent and the ref, and booing your own team. I think the Steve call has confused them too, bless. As for Kitson comparing himself to Ronaldo today.....they both get booed, it spurs them on....mmmm. Yes you lanky Wotsit-look-a-like netball player, your being a bit selective about your results - in reality you get booed loads, you lose loads. Other than that, well done for raping the club coffers of £20K a week - and try not to punch the ball into the net tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyInReading Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Wow 800 of the bestest of the bestest fans in the whole world to Donny. We took 1800 there!!!!!!! ***ts!!!!!! Maybe. You were top of the league though so does sort of help. What did the Donny cheif have to say about your support. Can you link me to the article? In fact what has anyone independant, ever had to say about your support? Quality not quantity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 They will be coming after SWF and the magnificent PTS contributors next... The Kroll report on Antonov (google kroll antonov) is still out there ready for downloading. It amazes me that the document is supposedly clearing his name, to me is does the absolute opposite. Very dodgy, surprised Madjeski has sold out to him. It will be interesting to see how it pans out for Reading! Nice bit of cringeworthy drivel about the bestest fans in the lands TM ©, praising the 800 few that went up to Donny (dont worry Donny, you will see them next year when the trust has raised £20m for Chinny et al) http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/pompey-fans-hailed-by-donny-chief-1-3739135 Back the Buyout! Or this one, perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Maybe. You were top of the league though so does sort of help. What did the Donny cheif have to say about your support. Can you link me to the article? In fact what has anyone independant, ever had to say about your support? Quality not quantity. lol if you had a bit more quantity then perhaps you wouldn't be on the verge of liquidation. Managed to "pack the park" lately? Pompey fans are like an especially dim-witted dog enjoying a pat on the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Maybe. You were top of the league though so does sort of help. What did the Donny cheif have to say about your support. Can you link me to the article? In fact what has anyone independant, ever had to say about your support? Quality not quantity. 'Your grounds too big for you!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Quality not quantity. That was what Steve Cotterill and David Lampitt said. How did that work out for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 17 April, 2012 Share Posted 17 April, 2012 Maybe. You were top of the league though so does sort of help. We took more than that to Carlisle, when we were bottom of League One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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