Pompey Takeover Saga

[dubai_phil]

Tthis post should end any of the arguments.... they're fooked, let them p!ss and moan if they like... just sit back and watch the car crash.

 

 

OK some figures.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jan/03/portsmouth-debts-transfer-embargo

 

They owe 10 million quid to other English Clubs

They owe Lens how much?

 

Remember if they enter Admin, in order to regain their "playing licence/golden share" etc, then Football Debts MUST be met in full.

 

Next is the HMRC, now we estimate they owe about 1.8mil a month, but they were in arrears to what 4 or 5 mil?

 

As of today they owe their staff around 1.5mil in salaries that need a loan to be paid

 

IF they go into admin, then ALL of those bills have to met by whoever buys the club. Yet the club will have NO stadium, NO training ground. So what ASSETS exactly is a magical investor BUYING?

 

In admin, the club will never recover the 9 point deduction to stay in the PL, so there is only the parachute payments - oh wait, those have been promised to someone else.

 

They owe 15 mil to this mysterious Hong Kong based busienssman secured against 7mil of tv revenue from Sky. You can bet your mortgage that somebody will have signed a contract that commmits the TV, transfer OR Parachute money to pay some of these bills - How ELSE could they have borrowed teh cash to pay the last few months.

 

They owe Gayadmark 26.8mil

 

But here you go Mr big money man - we got 11,000 at say 25 quid each on Saturday which is about 275,000 quid, oh yeah I know that 45% goes to Coventry & 10% to the FA but it's OK it's all in cash mate.

 

So the massive support of the fans on Saturday gave them an income of 110k. Wow, maybe paid two players wages for that....

 

There is no Sky money left for them. Unless the owners start shooting each other, there is really nothing left in the club at all. The ONLY people left in that game are the ones with the best lawyers and the toughest bonds/guarantees etc.

 

Debts like that - you can bet the 18mil is at about 20% interest....

 

And yet the fans comments = we don't understand, we didn't see it coming....

[NickG]

another small club dies.

 

Its no different than if Eastleigh starting trying to survive in premiership - fine if someone is going to pay the way but once the donations stop their level of support just can't hack it

[66East]

If they go into admin, won't they get a further points penalty because they have been in admin before? Or is that just wishful thinking on my part

[rallyboy]

Does anyone know when the tickets for the world cup final in the harbourside stadium at Portsmouth actually go on sale?

If they play their champions league ties in it before that I wouldn't mind seeing one of them as well, though presumably with only 70,000 available there won't be many for the casual fan.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

lol

 

Lawrie Mac

Shilton

Keegan (current Euro footballer of the year)

Mills

Channon

Matt Le tiss

Shearer

Walcott

Osgood

Alan Ball

Mark Wright

Jimmy Case

 

 

27 years in top flight - a whole generation

 

bigger crowds

 

v

your Arry

 

Alan Biley.

..

 

..err struggling now

 

oh yea won a few things before any of us were born - around the time Huddersfield were winning league - are they a big side as well?

 

:D:D:D

 

You forgot Vince Hilaire

[Thedelldays]

I remember when a skate fan was trying to tell me krancjar was a better player for them than MLT was for us..

 

these people seriously believe this...lol

 

have they ever really had a superstar in their prime..?

[niceandfriendly]

have they ever really had a superstar in their prime..?

 

Paul Merson?

Steve Stone?

[OldNick]

Paul Merson?

Steve Stone?

Noel Blake

[mcjwills]

 

have they ever really had a superstar in their prime..?

 

Paul Merson?

Steve Stone?

 

Noel Blake

 

Steve Clarriage

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Noel Blake

 

Paul Walsh?

[aintforever]

Jon Gittens?

[Thedelldays]

scott hiley..?

[sidthesquid]

To quote Farmery : "The key problem is that there is a complete lack of transparency about the ownership position at the club. The 90% owner is a British Virgin Islands-registered company [Falcondrone]. Establishing who are the shareholders and directors of this company has proved virtually impossible."

 

Isn't that what the Fit & Proper Person Test is meant to be about?

[NickG]

Paul Merson?

Steve Stone?

 

Stone was over 30 when he joined them and only played 73 times for them. This was 7 years after he played for England.

 

Merson was about 35, played 45 times - 5 years after he played for England.

[70's Mike]

Stone was over 30 when he joined them and only played 73 times for them. This was 7 years after he played for England.

 

Merson was about 35, played 45 times - 5 years after he played for England.

 

Sherringham must have been 40

[rpb]

To quote Farmery : "The key problem is that there is a complete lack of transparency about the ownership position at the club. The 90% owner is a British Virgin Islands-registered company [Falcondrone]. Establishing who are the shareholders and directors of this company has proved virtually impossible."

 

Isn't that what the Fit & Proper Person Test is meant to be about?

 

You would have thought so - I suspect that they just checked on police records though.

[niceandfriendly]

Stone was over 30 when he joined them and only played 73 times for them. This was 7 years after he played for England.

 

Merson was about 35, played 45 times - 5 years after he played for England.

 

Legends though. Equally as important as Keegan and Channon for us IMO.

Edited 3 January, 2010 by niceandfriendly

[Spudders]

You would have thought so - I suspect that they just checked on police records though.

 

So long as the checks in place ensure no-one gets near the club (either directly or indirectly) with any kind of history of fraudulent activity, that's the most important thing for a club in pompey’s current financial situation..............................oh hang on.

[St Marco]

This was an interesting piece on sunday supplement from the guy at the mail

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,15121_5825617,00.html

 

Interesting views. Especially about the fact Storrie said that they will be getting a short term loan to pay the wages in the next few day's. If they are needing loans each month just to pay the wages then they are fooked.

[Colinjb]

This was an interesting piece on sunday supplement from the guy at the mail

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,15121_5825617,00.html

 

Interesting views. Especially about the fact Storrie said that they will be getting a short term loan to pay the wages in the next few day's. If they are needing loans each month just to pay the wages then they are fooked.

 

That's what they have been doing for the last few months!

[NickG]

Legends though. Equally as important as Keegan and Channon for us IMO.

 

hardly - we signed KK when he was the best player in Europe -they signed those pre-retirement!

[St Chalet]

hardly - we signed KK when he was the best player in Europe -they signed those pre-retirement!

 

I think he was being sarcastic / ironic.

[View From The Top]

That's what they have been doing for the last few months!

 

This is the crux of it.

 

When you borrow just to cover the everyday bills you are screwed.

[Yeovil Saint]

Legends though. Equally as important as Keegan and Channon for us IMO.

You might have a point with Keegan, as good as he was he was only with us for two seasons, though it's worth pointing out that when we signed Keegan he was reigning European Footballer of the Year - are Pompey going to sign Messi for next season?

 

But Channon, was way more identified with Saints than Merson or Stone will ever be with Pompey. He spent the vast majority of his career with us, won 45 of his 46 England caps while a Saint.

 

I feel that players can only really be classed as one team's legend, Keegan belongs to Liverpool as a player, Newcastle as a manager, Merson's Arsenal and Stone Forest.

 

EDIT, sorry missed the sarcasm, sorry.

Edited 3 January, 2010 by Yeovil Saint

[Al de Man]

The key to that cup win was beating Man Yoo at old Trafford

 

Meh. You make it sound like that's difficult.

[Saint in Paradise]

Meh. You make it sound like that's difficult.

 

 

Well a Leaque One team did it on Sunday so perhaps it's not that difficult after all ? :D:D

[Colinjb]

Well a Leaque One team did it on Sunday so perhaps it's not that difficult after all ? :D:D

 

And Iain Dowie's Coventry did the same a year or so ago in the League Cup. They are showing a remarkable tendancy of not bothering with the dross at Old Trafford in the cups.

[Nellie]

Ok, ask anyone actually IN football which is the bigger club? Ask anyone, Journalists, players, managers. Ask people who merely watch the game, neutral fans- ask them the same question. You won't like the replies........

Bit of a moot point really, as in a short while you won't be around to compare with.

[Whitey Grandad]

It all depends on what is meant by 'bigger club'. Capacity of stadium? Average crowd size? Turnover? .... debt?

[hypochondriac]

Ok, ask anyone actually IN football which is the bigger club? Ask anyone, Journalists, players, managers. Ask people who merely watch the game, neutral fans- ask them the same question. You won't like the replies........

 

Rubbish.

[Thedelldays]

Ok, ask anyone actually IN football which is the bigger club? Ask anyone, Journalists, players, managers. Ask people who merely watch the game, neutral fans- ask them the same question. You won't like the replies........

if pompey are so much bigger than saints

 

it should npt be a problem to be bought out by someone serious the moment the club is available

 

after all..little old saints got itself a billionaire owner whilst in div 3..

 

big old pompey should have no issue...right..?

Edited 3 January, 2010 by Thedelldays

[the colonel]

Ok, ask anyone actually IN football which is the bigger club? Ask anyone, Journalists, players, managers. Ask people who merely watch the game, neutral fans- ask them the same question. You won't like the replies........

 

I think you'll find that if you speak to anyone in football or journos (my other half is a journo with a national so I get to meet a few) they think both Saints and skates are a couple nothing clubs with their own petty squabbles and at the moment skates are boxing well above their weight and Saints are well below. Equating to neither being a large club or a small club. To sum it up those in the industry probably think both clubs should be around the top of the championship, as they will never offer anything more than outsiders chance if/when in the top league.

 

But having said that Saints have constantly been referred to as one of the big boys of Div 1 I can't say I ever remember skates being referred to as the same when the roles were reversed.

 

All this rubbish about yours is bigger than mine is just banter and most fans on both sides, with any common sense, know that there isn't much difference between the two clubs.

[benjii]

Ok, ask anyone actually IN football which is the bigger club? Ask anyone, Journalists, players, managers. Ask people who merely watch the game, neutral fans- ask them the same question. You won't like the replies........

 

[JackFrost]

Yet another loan to pay the player's wages. The only this can get better is if Carol Vorderman knocks on the boardroom door and recommends someone to help them out

[Smirking_Saint]

Ok, ask anyone actually IN football which is the bigger club? Ask anyone, Journalists, players, managers. Ask people who merely watch the game, neutral fans- ask them the same question. You won't like the replies........

 

You will currently perhaps get the upper hand due to your 'ahem' premier league status (for a few more months anyways), so a lot of neutrals will automatically pipe for you.

 

That being said, you have a smaller fan base, stadium, infrastructure. Less top flight years overall then us.

 

I would definately not say that you are the bigger club, by any stretch of the imagination, christ, you havn't even got any real, big lagit legends.

 

Bigger ?? Boll*cks, you bought the FA cup and now you are rightfully paying the price.

[angelman]

if pompey are so much bigger than saints

 

it should npt be a problem to be bought out by someone serious the moment the club is available

 

after all..little old saints got itself a billionaire owner whilst in div 3..

 

big old pompey should have no issue...right..?

 

 

 

Hang on a mo. I thought Pompey's current owner is a billionaire just like the owner before that (who still has 10% of the company). So while we only have the one, they seem to have had 2 billionaires this season already. Just waiting for a 3rd to come along.

[PES]

I think you'll find that if you speak to anyone in football or journos (my other half is a journo with a national so I get to meet a few) they think both Saints and skates are a couple nothing clubs with their own petty squabbles and at the moment skates are boxing well above their weight and Saints are well below. Equating to neither being a large club or a small club. To sum it up those in the industry probably think both clubs should be around the top of the championship, as they will never offer anything more than outsiders chance if/when in the top league.

 

But having said that Saints have constantly been referred to as one of the big boys of Div 1 I can't say I ever remember skates being referred to as the same when the roles were reversed.

 

All this rubbish about yours is bigger than mine is just banter and most fans on both sides, with any common sense, know that there isn't much difference between the two clubs.

 

Superb post. For the record id say Saints 27 years in the top flight whilst Pompey languished in the lower leagues cemented a larger fanbase for Saints, I'd say probably 30% more fans likely to attend over a given period of time. I know many of my fellow Pomey on here would not agree, but I really could not care less, it's all just willy waving and which club has the higher % of 'occassionals' Is really of no concern to me and has no bearing on my enjoyment of the game or our rivalry.

Based on fanbase and infrastructure, Pompey are a Mid-Championship side at best and Saints 'Rightful' place (If there is such a thing) is probably bouncing around between the Premier League and the Championship along with, Sheffield Weds, Blackburn and Wolves.

Now if we're going to base it on TROPHIES, Pompey are a Premier Team and Saints are hanging on by the skin of their teeth in the Championship and not fit to mix it with any of the teams i've just mentioned. I guess it all depends on what criteria advantages our respective teams, It explains why Attendance/Infrastructure arguements are always dragged up on here by the Saints majority and trophies and actually winning things are very seldom talked about on here (Except by me and the the other Pompey fans)!

[Smirking_Saint]

I think you'll find that if you speak to anyone in football or journos (my other half is a journo with a national so I get to meet a few) they think both Saints and skates are a couple nothing clubs with their own petty squabbles and at the moment skates are boxing well above their weight and Saints are well below. Equating to neither being a large club or a small club. To sum it up those in the industry probably think both clubs should be around the top of the championship, as they will never offer anything more than outsiders chance if/when in the top league.

 

But having said that Saints have constantly been referred to as one of the big boys of Div 1 I can't say I ever remember skates being referred to as the same when the roles were reversed.

 

All this rubbish about yours is bigger than mine is just banter and most fans on both sides, with any common sense, know that there isn't much difference between the two clubs.

 

Spot on tbh.

[PES]

Hang on a mo. I thought Pompey's current owner is a billionaire just like the owner before that (who still has 10% of the company). So while we only have the one, they seem to have had 2 billionaires this season already. Just waiting for a 3rd to come along.

 

Yeah, like buses.

[Saint_clark]

I saw a bloke with a Pompey hat on a bus today. The bus pulled away before he sat down properly and he ended up sliding along the floor.

Oh, how I did laugh...

[Saintandy666]

I don't think pompey have the fanbase of southampton, we have the potential to be a lot bigger than them, not that we are necessarily at the moment or recently etc... Southampton is generally the team that people in Hampshire support, whereas Portsmouth is more just a Portsmouth thing(probably because of the 27 year top flight status).

 

Looking back to school and now at college, there were obviously a lot of big four supporters, but besides that the other big supported club is Saints, not pompey... never pompey.

[NickG]

Superb post. For the record id say Saints 27 years in the top flight whilst Pompey languished in the lower leagues cemented a larger fanbase for Saints, I'd say probably 30% more fans likely to attend over a given period of time. I know many of my fellow Pomey on here would not agree, but I really could not care less, it's all just willy waving and which club has the higher % of 'occassionals' Is really of no concern to me and has no bearing on my enjoyment of the game or our rivalry.

Based on fanbase and infrastructure, Pompey are a Mid-Championship side at best and Saints 'Rightful' place (If there is such a thing) is probably bouncing around between the Premier League and the Championship along with, Sheffield Weds, Blackburn and Wolves.

Now if we're going to base it on TROPHIES, Pompey are a Premier Team and Saints are hanging on by the skin of their teeth in the Championship and not fit to mix it with any of the teams i've just mentioned. I guess it all depends on what criteria advantages our respective teams, It explains why Attendance/Infrastructure arguements are always dragged up on here by the Saints majority and trophies and actually winning things are very seldom talked about on here (Except by me and the the other Pompey fans)!

 

the argument I dragged up was a footballers one - its not even close!

[View From The Top]

If a Huddersfield fan said to me they were the bigger club becuse they won the league in the days of black and white I'd laugh. The same applies to the skates.

 

Next season, if the exist, we'll see how passoniate their support is in the CCC.

[Yeovil Saint]

Now if we're going to base it on TROPHIES, Pompey are a Premier Team and Saints are hanging on by the skin of their teeth in the Championship and not fit to mix it with any of the teams i've just mentioned. I guess it all depends on what criteria advantages our respective teams, It explains why Attendance/Infrastructure arguements are always dragged up on here by the Saints majority and trophies and actually winning things are very seldom talked about on here (Except by me and the the other Pompey fans)!

 

Except that Pompey haven't really won that many trophies, if we look at actual things won, then where would Pompey be counted? This list is the total number of titles won (League Championships, FA Cup, League Cup, Champions League, Cup Winners Cup, Fairs/UEFA Cup and Club World Cup.

 

1) Liverpool 40

2) Manchester United 37

3) Arsenal 27

4) Aston Villa 20

5) Tottenham Hotspur 17

6) Everton 15

7) Chelsea 14

Newcastle United 11

9) Blackburn Rovers 10

10) Wolverhampton Wanderers 9

11) Manchester City 9

12) Nottingham Forest 9

13) Sunderland 8

14) Sheffield Wednesday 8

15) Leeds United 7

16) West Bromwich Albion 7

17) Wanderers 5

18) Sheffield United 5

19) West Ham United 5

 

Huddersfield Town 4

Portsmouth 4

Preston North End 4

Burnley 4

Bolton Wanderers 4

 

So, if you actually look at trophies won, Pompey are in a 5 way tie for 20th place. How do you make them Premier? But even your best argument doesn't wash - would Wanderers deserve a place in the Premier League based on 5 FA Cup wins when they haven't existed for over 120 years?

[NickG]

exactly, desperate argument that doesn't even convince themselves.

[NickG]

in league 1, the country's 29th best supported club.

 

in premiership, the country's 32nd best supported club.

 

QED.

 

http://www.mikeavery.co.uk/Attendance%20All%20Teams%20High%20to%20Low.htm

 

I am afraid, and hate to hit a man when he is down, but you are wrong.

 

The Dell had a capacity of about 15,200.

 

When you look at the stats here

 

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/soto.htm

 

remember the variation is due to away supprt as well.

 

You will see that the Dell was nearly always sold out.

 

lol

 

Lawrie Mac

Shilton

Keegan (current Euro footballer of the year)

Mills

Channon

Matt Le tiss

Shearer

Walcott

Osgood

Alan Ball

Mark Wright

Jimmy Case

 

 

27 years in top flight - a whole generation

 

bigger crowds

 

v

your Arry

 

Alan Biley.

..

 

..err struggling now

 

oh yea won a few things before any of us were born - around the time Huddersfield were winning league - are they a big side as well?

 

:D:D:D

 

I will give them the historic trophy one - putting them in the same class as Huddersfield and Preston!

[Sheaf Saint]

I think you'll find that if you speak to anyone in football or journos (my other half is a journo with a national so I get to meet a few) they think both Saints and skates are a couple nothing clubs with their own petty squabbles and at the moment skates are boxing well above their weight and Saints are well below. Equating to neither being a large club or a small club. To sum it up those in the industry probably think both clubs should be around the top of the championship, as they will never offer anything more than outsiders chance if/when in the top league.

 

But having said that Saints have constantly been referred to as one of the big boys of Div 1 I can't say I ever remember skates being referred to as the same when the roles were reversed.

 

All this rubbish about yours is bigger than mine is just banter and most fans on both sides, with any common sense, know that there isn't much difference between the two clubs.

 

Yep, that pretty much sums it up for me as well.

[NickG]

we are certainly not big club - with high level of public interest etc.

 

We are similar to a number of "mid" sized clubs who will get attention when something big happens or have a period of good form - ie prem side.

 

Difference is I think we generally have a realistic view of where we are in the pecking order, and know we are low in league.

 

Skates seem to think they are an established prem giant who most would be surprised to see relegated!

[Weston Saint]

Banks are open :-k

[Colinjb]

Banks are open :-k

 

Indeed, the players should now be paid and all well again in Skateland.