holepuncture Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 The latest attempt to pack the park.... http://www.pompeytrust.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=378%3Aqpay4apalq-ticket-scheme-launched&catid=34%3Ademo-category Davie Kitson, Liam 'the butt' Lawerence, Tal Ben Haim, 'King' Kanu, Mokoena etc must be laughing so hard right now they must be up to their necks in urine through so much PTSL Seeing as TCWTB hasnt bought a ticket for over a decade how about he payzzz for a pal? How about instead of buying people tickets, why not a whip around to pay the childrens charities? Pompeys 12th man has some very sweeet ideas, it really does. But if they think raising £600 to buy a random block of blue seats will solve their problems they are deluded... Tal Be Haim requires £5000+ each and every single day for the next couple of years... sorry to have to point it out to you 'tards but £600 of packing the park aint gonna cut it! With extravagant PR exercises on a scale such as this, it makes you wonder how a supporter buy-out could ever fail... no wonder Ms Money Penny was gushing in praise for her constituent skates to buy the crumbling liability off chinny how does that song go again..? Chin chin-eny, Chin chin-eny, Chin Chin chainroo we love those loan sharks, like Hong-Kongs Baloo Chin chin-eny, Chin chin-eny, Chin Chin chainroo 24% interest, Pay-4-Pal Hahroo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckasaurus Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 all p****y are f*****g w*****s pack the park my arse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Davie Kitson, Liam 'the butt' Lawerence, Tal Ben Haim, 'King' Kanu, Mokoena etc must be laughing so hard right now they must be up to their necks in urine through so much PTSL Seeing as TCWTB hasnt bought a ticket for over a decade how about he payzzz for a pal?How about instead of buying people tickets, why not a whip around to pay the childrens charities? Pompeys 12th man has some very sweeet ideas, it really does. But if they think raising £600 to buy a random block of blue seats will solve their problems they are deluded... Tal Be Haim requires £5000+ each and every single day for the next couple of years... sorry to have to point it out to you 'tards but £600 of packing the park aint gonna cut it! With extravagant PR exercises on a scale such as this, it makes you wonder how a supporter buy-out could ever fail... no wonder Ms Money Penny was gushing in praise for her constituent skates to buy the crumbling liability off chinny how does that song go again..? Chin chin-eny, Chin chin-eny, Chin Chin chainroo we love those loan sharks, like Hong-Kongs Baloo Chin chin-eny, Chin chin-eny, Chin Chin chainroo 24% interest, Pay-4-Pal Hahroo! Er - I have a theory..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 a little present for all those pompey fans who still think a fan's buyout is realistic. . There you go, it's a little dot. You can use it to abruptly end sentences like, that's the last we'll see of Chanrai. Or, those extra 3,000 people will really make a difference. And just like the 30 year old Paulsgrove woman with extended family, this is called grammar. This little dot can be utilised throughout grammar - but it's urgent use in this case is as a decimal point. When you look at those debts and think , 'we only need to raise a few quid between us' - well, that's the time to get your decimal point and put it in the correct place. It'll be scary, but time well spent. Because you'll then realise that a few fans chipping in to save the club would be like trying to drain the Solent using a leaky thimble. On a very rainy day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danish Saint Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Just wondering..... How many ST holders does Pompey have? Those numbers and that money has to be deducted from every calculations. So they are even more f*ck*d than before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 a little present for all those pompey fans who still think a fan's buyout is realistic. . There you go, it's a little dot. You can use it to abruptly end sentences like, that's the last we'll see of Chanrai. Or, those extra 3,000 people will really make a difference. And just like the 30 year old Paulsgrove woman with extended family, this is called grammar. This little dot can be utilised throughout grammar - but it's urgent use in this case is as a decimal point. When you look at those debts and think , 'we only need to raise a few quid between us' - well, that's the time to get your decimal point and put it in the correct place. It'll be scary, but time well spent. Because you'll then realise that a few fans chipping in to save the club would be like trying to drain the Solent using a leaky thimble. On a very rainy day. One day, they might get the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Good article worth a read over on the UI site...Pompey myths debunked No.2 http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/fb_news.php?storyid=16169&title=great_pompey_myths_debunked._no_2_pompey_are_the_club_with_all_the_history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterside.saint Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 a little present for all those pompey fans who still think a fan's buyout is realistic. . There you go, it's a little dot. You can use it to abruptly end sentences like, that's the last we'll see of Chanrai. Or, those extra 3,000 people will really make a difference. And just like the 30 year old Paulsgrove woman with extended family, this is called grammar. This little dot can be utilised throughout grammar - but it's urgent use in this case is as a decimal point. When you look at those debts and think , 'we only need to raise a few quid between us' - well, that's the time to get your decimal point and put it in the correct place. It'll be scary, but time well spent. Because you'll then realise that a few fans chipping in to save the club would be like trying to drain the Solent using a leaky thimble. On a very rainy day. Classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Red Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Good article worth a read over on the UI site...Pompey myths debunked No.2 http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/fb_news.php?storyid=16169&title=great_pompey_myths_debunked._no_2_pompey_are_the_club_with_all_the_history That was a good read. Some things don't change then. Trying to buy success beyond their means right from the beginning. They have achieved far more than us in two ways though. More administrations and points deductions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vince Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 SSN have a special feature called "The Taxmans war on football" at 7:30 tonight - I doubt whether they will discuss the blue few much though, they seem to focus on Rangers (aka the blue many, perhaps!) on this subject much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 A very good read docker-p. Can we debunk their next myth now..."the Joiners never happened". T@ssers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 They will get through all this one way or another. I am already annoyed in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Just wondering..... How many ST holders does Pompey have? Those numbers and that money has to be deducted from every calculations. So they are even more f*ck*d than before Because STs were purchased through Zebra finance, the company drip feed that money to the club through the season. Not sure if it's at every home game but it's certainly not up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 @pn_neil_allen: Superb idea from @pompeytrust and @Pompeys12thMan to launch Pay4aPal to buy #Pompey tickets for other fans. http://t.co/TT35ZXe3 "Any monies left over will carry over to the next Home game. So, for example, if £600 is raised this week we will aim to buy at least 30 tickets for Saturday’s game" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 @pn_neil_allen: Superb idea from @pompeytrust and @Pompeys12thMan to launch Pay4aPal to buy #Pompey tickets for other fans. http://t.co/TT35ZXe3 "Any monies left over will carry over to the next Home game. So, for example, if £600 is raised this week we will aim to buy at least 30 tickets for Saturday’s game" It's just embarrassing to be paid to go to a match...and still not fill the ground! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 It's just embarrassing to be paid to go to a match...and still not fill the ground! the strange thing is probably less than a thousand extra packed the park, 17000 less 3000 Leeds=14000 skates about 1000 more than normal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 (edited) Just got home and found the tv on ssn. There is a 'special report' coming up at 7.30 featuring the tax issues surrounding rangers and skates. 'One Peter Storrie' is in the studio! Haha Doubt there will be anything new on there but just in case anybody is interested EDIT: Vince beat me to it Edited 27 February, 2012 by COMEONYOUREDS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Gabriel's Halo Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Because you'll then realise that a few fans chipping in to save the club would be like trying to drain the Solent using a leaky thimble. On a very rainy day. Are you Jeremy Clarkson by any chance ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eling-saint Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Live is too short to search the thread so apologies if already reported but they know think the euro lottery is the saviour! From POL There are rumours circulating that the latest winner of the £45m Euro lottery winner lives in Pompey, to be more accurate the rumour is the ticket was brought from One stop in Copnor Road next door to Copnor School. If this is the case then we may have just found the £500,000 needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Live is too short to search the thread so apologies if already reported but they know think the euro lottery is the saviour! From POL There are rumours circulating that the latest winner of the £45m Euro lottery winner lives in Pompey, to be more accurate the rumour is the ticket was brought from One stop in Copnor Road next door to Copnor School. If this is the case then we may have just found the £500,000 needed. Lol, it's Nottingham!!! Give some to Clotterill, please... https://www.national-lottery.co.uk/player/p/goodcausesandwinners/winnersgallery.ftl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysstuff Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Lol, it's Nottingham!!! Give some to Clotterill, please... https://www.national-lottery.co.uk/player/p/goodcausesandwinners/winnersgallery.ftl No, there was another fourty odd million winner this Friday, wish to remain anonymous though. Obviously disn't that lot down the road to get their habds on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 They will get through all this one way or another. I am already annoyed in advance. Dude, life is too short to get annoyed in advance. Savour the moment live the laughs. There is ALWAYS an upside. IF they survive then this thread will still be here to give you a at least once a week, as their new owners buy up most of the Havant& Waterlooville and Totton squads for their fight to survive in L1 on a budget of 600 quid a game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 No, there was another fourty odd million winner this Friday, wish to remain anonymous though. Obviously disn't that lot down the road to get their habds on it. Don't worry it was me. I wish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Live is too short to search the thread so apologies if already reported but they know think the euro lottery is the saviour! From POL There are rumours circulating that the latest winner of the £45m Euro lottery winner lives in Pompey, to be more accurate the rumour is the ticket was brought from One stop in Copnor Road next door to Copnor School. If this is the case then we may have just found the £500,000 needed. [insert image of six fingered hand clutching straws] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckasaurus Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 sky sports suck p****y c**ks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Live is too short to search the thread so apologies if already reported but they know think the euro lottery is the saviour! From POL There are rumours circulating that the latest winner of the £45m Euro lottery winner lives in Pompey, to be more accurate the rumour is the ticket was brought from One stop in Copnor Road next door to Copnor School. If this is the case then we may have just found the £500,000 needed.[/] Bah. You can't even buy an FA cup for £45m these days. They should ask for more. Just out of interest, is that £45m tax-free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Live is too short to search the thread so apologies if already reported but they know think the euro lottery is the saviour! From POL There are rumours circulating that the latest winner of the £45m Euro lottery winner lives in Pompey, to be more accurate the rumour is the ticket was brought from One stop in Copnor Road next door to Copnor School. If this is the case then we may have just found the £500,000 needed.[/] Bah. You can't even buy an FA cup for £45m these days. They should ask for more. Just out of interest, is that £45m tax-free? It is. All gambling is tax free these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 It is. All gambling is tax free these days. Honest m'lud, we thought if we spent everything on a quality over quantity gamble on getting back to the Prem it would be tax-free..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvaughanwilliams Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 So the fiver off managed to attract around an extra 3000 bums on seats. At £20 eac (the reduced ticket price) this makes £60k. However, as they have to offer those who had already bought their tickets £5 off of another this could cost them 11500x5 = £57500. So a profit of £2.5k Still, in their position I guess every little helps (and only another £15.5k to find in order to get their OS working again!) Not quite right. Season ticket holders wouldn't benefit from the offer so the cost would be less than £57,500. If they have 8,000 season ticket holders, then the amount to be deducted would be 3,500 x £5 = £17,500. Making a profit of £42,500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Not quite right. Season ticket holders wouldn't benefit from the offer so the cost would be less than £57,500. If they have 8,000 season ticket holders, then the amount to be deducted would be 3,500 x £5 = £17,500. Making a profit of £42,500. So that's TBH's wages sorted, just a small matter of all the other running expenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Just got home and found the tv on ssn. There is a 'special report' coming up at 7.30 featuring the tax issues surrounding rangers and skates. 'One Peter Storrie' is in the studio! Haha Doubt there will be anything new on there but just in case anybody is interested EDIT: Vince beat me to it Probably one of the most tepid pieces of reporting ever - but at the end of the day, I never expected anthing other than that. Football is indeed very, very corrupt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 I wonder if Paypal Inc might take legal action for passing off, just what they need right now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 As it's all gone very quiet regarding the £17m that they wanted to get off the books as "iffy" and no sounding off about getting parachute payments advanced. That, to me at least, is the most interesting thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Lindford Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Good article worth a read over on the UI site...Pompey myths debunked No.2 http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/fb_news.php?storyid=16169&title=great_pompey_myths_debunked._no_2_pompey_are_the_club_with_all_the_history They seemed to like it....!!! http://www.thepompeychimes.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=67514&sid=bc0502aae74dc10139d580ccc043acf2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 Probably one of the most tepid pieces of reporting ever - but at the end of the day, I never expected anthing other than that. Football is indeed very, very corrupt. This I can't believe they gave Story teller & Gold a platform to blame all footballs Ills on HMRC. Its all their fault that football clubs don't pay their tax. That T**t story blaming them for not knowing how football clubs are run. What a parasite that pr*ck is. HMRC must take responsibility. Really was quite nauseating, but nothing to be surprised about there then. Typical Poopey scum not our fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 This I can't believe they gave Story teller & Gold a platform to blame all footballs Ills on HMRC. Its all their fault that football clubs don't pay their tax. That T**t story blaming them for not knowing how football clubs are run. What a parasite that pr*ck is. HMRC must take responsibility. Really was quite nauseating, but nothing to be surprised about there then. Typical Poopey scum not our fault. And typical Sky - not wanting to tarnish the reputation of their cash cow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 So let's see if I've got this right... It was HMRC's fault last time for allowing them to rack up too much debt and not calling it in quickly enough? But the problem this time was that HMRC wanted its money and refused to have a meeting with them about how they could delay payments a bit more? Yep, definitely all HMRC's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Red Posted 27 February, 2012 Share Posted 27 February, 2012 (edited) How can the BBC allow their journo's to be so completely misleading. First of all the cretin that fronts Late Kick Off says how brilliant PFC supporters were, as 17500 turned up. I doubt the 3000 Leeds supporters will appreciate their allegiance being switched to skates for propaganda purposes. Then to cap it off he announces that the players have agreed to defer ALL of their wages until the end of the season. It's only 25% you pr1ck, and in your knowledgable and privileged position you ought to be emphasizing that they're not giving up a thing as they will get it, and also that deferrals have a downside of making the club more expensive for someone attempting to save them, and therefore making it less likely. Rant over Edited 27 February, 2012 by Winchester Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 I had the same thought. Eventually came to the conclusion it was £0.5 million. The administrator surely would not have been so imprecise as to say 1 to 2 million. 'By april' may well be vague though. This could mean that Birch has sorted things to just about get to the end of the season , but then in April, with no more gate receipts coming in, and the players' deferred (not 'cut') wages coming home to roost, they will be scuppered. I reckon TB's cunning plan is to limp on, by a wing, a prayer, and deferred wages, for as long as possible: the closer the Cheats get to the end of the season, the harder it is for the FL to allow them to get liquidated, putting the league table in chaos. It's the old "forward me the parachute payments or I'll shoot the kitten" routine. And it will no doubt work. But it'll be just a stay of execution for the Cheats. Come April 28th, we'll probably be able to start our promotion/liquidation double celebrations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony13579 Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 I love it when it goes quiet..... It means there is a new twist and an iceberg round the corner... PS... where are our pet skates... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 the Sky special report was the weakest insight i think i have seen. A waste of 30 minutes of my life. To blame the revenue for not demanding the money earlier!!!! The clubs just put back paying the taxman and pay people who they need to keep the club running first, then worry about the penalties and interest later if at all. No doubt most football fans will sit back and think 'football is being attacked' Storrie really does have thick skin to go on national tv. I cant recall how much Pompey paid in image rights when they went into admin 2 years ago, i thought it was quite a lot but Storrie said last night he knew little about it as they had only paid a small amout as image rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckasaurus Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 "Next up on sky sports news,we will be interviewing two turkeys who will be telling us why christmas is wrong." "we will be back after the break"............cue dramatic music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 you have to admire the cheek of the bloke. Methinks uncle Peter is trying to rebuild his public image by pretending he didn't do half the stuff he did, and thinks that if he keeps saying stuff it actually becomes a fact. Also, if you keep pointing at HMRC and shouting a bit, people might not notice you trousering win bonuses. No Pete me old mucker, you gave out ridiculous contracts, crazy image rights deals, discussed confidential pompey salaries with the manager of Spurs, welcomed a potless Arab or two with open arms, and you were the main driving force behind the three year train crash that is still hobbling along. But if you want to go on telly and look innocent, well, good luck with that plan. You'll always be a legend in Southampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 according to the Storrie teller HMRC are at fault for being too lenient and according to the right honuorable Miss Piggy MP HMRC are at fault for being too harsh. WTF!!??!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 Another day passes. More muppets emerge from the woodwork. How interesting that Storrie teller emerges from his Hayling Island Bunker now that Lumpitt has gone. poopey don't have a CEO any more and there's the 2nd worst CEO in Footballing History putting himself back in the frame. Have to say, it seemed to take a hell of a long time for that White Witch to finally exorcise the curse that the shirt buried at SMS was supposed to have placed on us, and it seems to have taken a heck of a lot longer for the one we got her to put onto poopey to come to fruition, but you have to say that every day they keep going, more embarrassment gets thrown onto their shameful heads. Love it Tick Tock, every day that the thread slows down means they are a day nearer to the Final Countdown & Reality check. Surely it must be time for "Buyers to emerge"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golactico Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 The silence from Birch ref ‘potentially interested parties’ is deafening. We haven’t even had a suggestion from him that anyone is keen to buy. AA’s default position was always that people were queuing up to buy the club. I guess that Birch has a bit more integrity than to indulge in AA style spin, but it does lead you to the obvious conclusion – no one with any sense or honourable intentions wants to touch them with a barge pole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 The silence from Birch ref ‘potentially interested parties’ is deafening. We haven’t even had a suggestion from him that anyone is keen to buy. AA’s default position was always that people were queuing up to buy the club. I guess that Birch has a bit more integrity than to indulge in AA style spin, but it does lead you to the obvious conclusion – no one with any sense or honourable intentions wants to touch them with a barge pole. If that is the case - how long is it until Birch starts looking at liquidation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 The silence from Birch ref ‘potentially interested parties’ is deafening. We haven’t even had a suggestion from him that anyone is keen to buy. AA’s default position was always that people were queuing up to buy the club. I guess that Birch has a bit more integrity than to indulge in AA style spin, but it does lead you to the obvious conclusion – no one with any sense or honourable intentions wants to touch them with a barge pole. and with all the negative publicity that's gone along with their previous owners, you have to wonder if anyone with any inhonourable intentions will touch them with a brgepole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danish Saint Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 If that is the case - how long is it until Birch starts looking at liquidation? They're bleeding cash every day, even with cutbacks and deferrement of wages. Birch asked for supporters to raise at least £1m. If that doesn't happen, liquidation could start in April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 28 February, 2012 Share Posted 28 February, 2012 good news breaking for the few. Liam Lawrence has said he's not looking to get away on loan... Hooray for the glorious hero, bring on the marching band, fire up the open top bus! In fact he says he is going to hang onto his hefty contract until they prise it from his greedy fingers, draining every last penny that Lampitt agreed to give him. As one of the senior pub thugs in the dressing room I presume he's speaking for all the battling £15K a week plus band when he says that they are all standing together, and looking forward to gathering all that cash. So the brave rallying cry is go pack the park*, because without your money there's a millionaire out there tonight who might not be able to buy shiny tat. With the signing of another player who is known to police, Appy's dressing room is looking more like a remand centre than a place of sporting excellence. They must have been gutted to lose out on Marlon King - he would have been the sex pest gem in their little criminal crown. *if the park is more than half full we'll all pretend that Fortess Fratton was 'packed' - it fits the media agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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