positivepete Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 The owners and Directors test, formerly the Fit and Proper Persons Test is a double edged sword for the FA. The deluded phew seem to think that it is a test of financial capacity to pay debt, when in fact it is the equivalent of a CRB check. It is to make sure that the directors haven't been banned for a previous insolvency event and to make sure that they don't have criminal records. It isn't a test to see how good you are at running a business sustainably, or how much money you have. The FA can't risk turning potential owners away because of hearsay or rumours because they'd get sued for defamation. They can't turn someone away because they don't have deep pockets because the business plan might be to run a club sustainably and only within its means, even if that means the club is not particularly competitive. It needs to be dropped, or at least be explained properly that it is just a formality that means very little. Ignoring the fact that as a limited company it is the club directors responsibility to carry out due diligence on new owners; as someone pointed out on here a few hundred pages ago the FPPT clearly works very well, PFC got new owners who were fit and proper for PFC, and who maintained the fine traditions of running the club in the manner of their predecessors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvaughanwilliams Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/appy_i_want_to_hear_from_football_league_1_3518067?commentssort=1&commentspage=0 The comments really do crack me up on this story. We have to have a squad of 20, it's mandatory (even if the club can't afford it). It's all the FA's fault for letting the owners take over. I think that they should take on more players, just to really prove to the judges on Friday and Monday that they're trading while in solvent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey-deacons-left-nut Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 Pack the park has worked then... 14,330 souls currently sat at notarf.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 Pack the park has worked then... 14,330 souls currently sat at notarf.... Great fans my arse. All this ''amazing fans'' **** needs to stop. It really does. Where does it come from? they're one of the worst supported teams in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 Pack the park has worked then... 14,330 souls currently sat at notarf.... Their club genuinely, truly needs them. That is the best they can do? Utterly pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedg Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 Pack the park has worked then... 14,330 souls currently sat at notarf.... 4000 less than saw them play west ham and about 30 less than their match before that against watford on a Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvaughanwilliams Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 Pack the park has worked then... 14,330 souls currently sat at notarf.... That seems to be their typical gate for a league game. But, imagine how poor the attendance would have been without pack the park.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzie Saints Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 That seems to be their typical gate for a league game. But, imagine how poor the attendance would have been without pack the park.... And wasnt it 4 tickets for 44 pounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 lol - the snooze saying the fans have turned out in force! Only about 6,000 empty seats. And the c**ks had the nerve to have a go at Saints for 'only' getting 24,000 the other day. Big club, best supporters, blah, blah, blah my arse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 Pack the park has worked then... 14,330 souls currently sat at notarf.... Least they reached their break-even figure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysstuff Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 Least they reached their break-even figure! May be a little late to make any difference!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 And wasnt it 4 tickets for 44 pounds I thought it was 44 tickets for 4 pounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 6370 empty seats at **** park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 So with the minimum -10 they are now out of the relegation zone on goal difference only? We need Forest, Donny or Cov to go on a run so we can relegate the skates at SMS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Neil Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 Few samples of protest posters people were urged to print out and take to pack the park, note the adult and child friendly version. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/526/chainraiposter.jpg/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 And wasnt it 4 tickets for 44 poundsHull game was last of their 4 for £44 offers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 So with the minimum -10 they are now out of the relegation zone on goal difference only? We need Forest, Donny or Cov to go on a run so we can relegate the skates at SMS.Cov won tonight so go level with the skates. Forest need to sack the clot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvaughanwilliams Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 Previously thought if they con everyone and get away with just a 10 point deduction they'd stay up. After tonight, not so sure! Still blatant cheating to be competing with players they can't afford, but they could struggle. Depends if Forest get a proper manager in really. Depends if the administrator arranges for some of their players loans to other clubs. If their squad gets even smaller to save on the wages, then they're in massive trouble. Also that thug Etuhu is on a month-by-month approval from the FA, so he'll be gone as soon as the month is up. They'll end up with the kit man's son on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterside.saint Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 Few samples of protest posters people were urged to print out and take to pack the park, note the adult and child friendly version. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/526/chainraiposter.jpg/ Hmmm. If I was Chanrai, and I saw that, it would *so* motivate me to keep my itchy trigger finger away from the nuclear button Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 200-300 fans stayed behind to protest. Hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterside.saint Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 200-300 fans stayed behind to protest. Hilarious Tell me again what they have to protest about, and exactly how they've been treated unfairly? On Boot Foot Other* *re-arrange to make a well-known proverb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 They'll end up with the kit man's son on the bench.and that is exactly what should happen if a club goes into admin. They should have to deploy other members of staff to play before they can employ any new players. No new members of staff should be allowed in any capacity ensuring `players' don't sneak in through the back door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 200-300 fans stayed behind to protest. Hilarious 2 players limped off as well...Lawrence & Halford... *cue violins* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 several thousand skates still in the ground protesting. Keeping those floodlights on longer won't help the leccy bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 I genuinely think we will nail not the final but probably the penultimate nail in their coffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterside.saint Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 several thousand skates still in the ground protesting. Keeping those floodlights on longer won't help the leccy bill. Hark! Is that the sound of a fat lady tuning up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 27228 of us turned up at St Mary's when our admin was announced back in 09. Only 14330 at Fratton tonight. Joke club, best fans my ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 several thousand skates still in the ground protesting. Keeping those floodlights on longer won't help the leccy bill. There is probably an SSE electrician waiting, for safety reasons, to pull the fuses after the fans have all left. Then they'll have to pay a reconnection charge as well as paying the bill... We can dream... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 I see that the P*mpey intelligentsia are out in force tonight :- [h=3]people dont like the truth trueblue1[/h]Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 10:26 PM CHANRIA PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO GIVE THERE HARD ERNT CASH TO CONMEN FACT WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF YOU JOG ON YOUR KILLING ARE CLUB AND GAYDAMAK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvaughanwilliams Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 I recognise a few agent provocateurs among the commenters on the snooze site, all of whom are surprised at the 'bestest' tag but only 14,000 in the shed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterside.saint Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 There is probably an SSE electrician waiting, for safety reasons, to pull the fuses after the fans have all left. Then they'll have to pay a reconnection charge as well as paying the bill... We can dream... From SSE's response to BBC Watchdog's investigation of energy suppliers http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/watchdog/2011/10/energy_switching.html "For the winter period (December to February), SSE will not disconnect the gas or electricity supply of any customer, unless there are issues of safety or criminality involved." Well, its not as if pulling the fuses would cause physical hardship. And next month is March, from whence SSE can presumably disconnect defaulting customers at their discretion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 I recognise a few agent provocateurs among the commenters on the snooze site, all of whom are surprised at the 'bestest' tag but only 14,000 in the shed. Really?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 I recognise a few agent provocateurs among the commenters on the snooze site, all of whom are surprised at the 'bestest' tag but only 14,000 in the shed. So how many extra punters did the Pack the Park achieve then? Or did numbers actually go down.....!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvaughanwilliams Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 so how many extra punters did the pack the park achieve then? Or did numbers actually go down.....!!!!!! pack the park has worked then... 14,330 souls currently sat at notarf.... 4000 less than saw them play west ham and about 30 less than their match before that against watford on a monday. hth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 Our home match is far too far from the end of the season for us to relegate them that day (assuming they get just the -10). However, it's conceivable that they might still be needing points on the last day of the season. If our league position was secure going into that game, and if Coventry could still overtake the skates... what price a Saints home loss on the final day of the league season? Lots of "ifs" in all that - but non implausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 (edited) I just can't see how the court will let them go into admin, what are they going to say? OK, so we're cash flow insolvent and balance sheet insolvent and we renegotiated our debts a couple of years ago and our outgoings are more than our income, but if you give us a bit more time we promise not to do it again next time? Insolvency courts regularly shut down businesses where there are unfinished orders which results in that stock having a much lower value. Also trading whilst insolvent under either definition is illegal. They appear to fulfill both definitions. The statement of affairs presented to the court on Friday will make amusing reading because they surely can't present one that shows their insolvency. The above is my take on it also. They appear to be in trouble at the court on Friday. If the judge were to take a middle ground position and grant Pompey administration but refuse the choice of UHI Hacker Young (i.e. AA) as chosen administrator in favour of an HMRC or court appointed choice of administrator (which is allowable) I think Chinny would consider winding up Pompey as a CSI asset in any case, perhaps after an independent administrator had offloaded some Pompey outgoings under a judicial order for PR purposes. Edited 14 February, 2012 by TopGun refinement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterside.saint Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 The above is my take on it also. They can't have both at the court on Friday. If the judge were to take a middle ground position and grant Pompey administration but refuse the choice of UHI Hacker Young (i.e. AA) as chosen administrator in favour of an HMRC choice of administrator (which is allowable) I think Chinny would consider winding up Pompey as a CSI asset in any case, perhaps after an independent administrator had offloaded some Pompey outgoings under a judicial order. Particularly if he catches sight of those charming posters issued by the phew tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 27228 of us turned up at St Mary's when our admin was announced back in 09. Only 14330 at Fratton tonight. Joke club, best fans my ass. But lets not forget, they do a mean conga !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin Strain Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 Hang on, Ally McCoist just claimed that Rangers have the best fans in the world. That can't be right, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 14 February, 2012 Share Posted 14 February, 2012 I recall being miffed that we only generated 27K for our big call to action, but 14K tonight is poor. The south coast attendance debate is definitely over. Yes there are reasons to stay away, but if you keep peddling the fantasy about the bestest and magnificent support etc but can't back it up, then people will laugh when it doesn't happen. They need to accept that all fans care about their clubs equally, yes the few are special, but not in a good way. So let's hear no more of the media myth about how great they are, because they are clearly not. As for the greedy trio who refused to leave, they certainly showed Ipswich didn't they! Lots of talk, not a lot of walk - time to strengthen, bring in some emergency loans on £15K a week. Cue more boring cliched media stories about 'battling pompey', 'Appleton's troops', 'Fortress Fratton', 'the magnificent fans keeping the spirit alive'. But we know the truth. Just get Plan B up and running and leave all the PR spin and sh1t behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzie Saints Posted 15 February, 2012 Share Posted 15 February, 2012 I recall being miffed that we only generated 27K for our big call to action, but 14K tonight is poor. The south coast attendance debate is definitely over. Yes there are reasons to stay away, but if you keep peddling the fantasy about the bestest and magnificent support etc but can't back it up, then people will laugh when it doesn't happen. They need to accept that all fans care about their clubs equally, yes the few are special, but not in a good way. So let's hear no more of the media myth about how great they are, because they are clearly not. As for the greedy trio who refused to leave, they certainly showed Ipswich didn't they! Lots of talk, not a lot of walk - time to strengthen, bring in some emergency loans on £15K a week. Cue more boring cliched media stories about 'battling pompey', 'Appleton's troops', 'Fortress Fratton', 'the magnificent fans keeping the spirit alive'. But we know the truth. Just get Plan B up and running and leave all the PR spin and sh1t behind. This. Just about sums it up. I for one would def be supporting Cov if it meant them cheating c*nts were relegated on the last day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 15 February, 2012 Share Posted 15 February, 2012 This. Just about sums it up. I for one would def be supporting Cov if it meant them cheating c*nts were relegated on the last day. Can we please stop refering to our fishy neighbours as c**ts! There are many c**ts in the world who are now unfortunatley labeled with PFC. PFC isn't their fault and I think it's unfair on them to be tarnished with teh same brush, they may be c**ts but the don't deserve that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 15 February, 2012 Share Posted 15 February, 2012 This. Just about sums it up. I for one would def be supporting Cov if it meant them cheating c*nts were relegated on the last day. In the same way as they capitulated at West Brom on our last day in the Premiership! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red and White Army Posted 15 February, 2012 Share Posted 15 February, 2012 I for one would def be supporting Cov if it meant them cheating c*nts were relegated on the last day. Even if we need to win to go up? I couldn't go that far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzie Saints Posted 15 February, 2012 Share Posted 15 February, 2012 Even if we need to win to go up? I couldn't go that far! Na the PL is the most important thing, there relegation would just be Gravy............Hmmmmmmm gravy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Halo* Posted 15 February, 2012 Share Posted 15 February, 2012 Page 1066.....hmmm.....gotta be some historic battle play-on-words opportunity to be had here.... How about a topical wallpaper, to mark this special occasion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Halo* Posted 15 February, 2012 Share Posted 15 February, 2012 Hmm, let's try that again for full size... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 15 February, 2012 Share Posted 15 February, 2012 Nice one Halo So is it to be their last day before inevitability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterside.saint Posted 15 February, 2012 Share Posted 15 February, 2012 Hmm, let's try that again for full size... Well done. I particularly like the bastardised skate 'frownie' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 15 February, 2012 Share Posted 15 February, 2012 Hmm, let's try that again for full size... Excellent. Is that a full house I can make out in the background? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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