dubai_phil Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 Oh poor old poopey. Bad news on bad news, They must be absolutely gutted. To discover that they have missed out on the best joke of the year award at the LAFTA awards last night “Conjunctivitis.com – that’s a site for sore eyes” Tim Vine walked away with the prize for that little gem. Never mind skates, there's always next year. Oh, next year. that's after 20th Feb this year isn't it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 This one’s for the real bed wetters on here, but who else is missing from this sordid little list of players (Help with some of Duncans prep and planning ahead of the book, commissioned to start on 21/02/12). I’m sure I’m missing loads……. Milan Mandric, Harry Redknapp, Peter Storrie, Sacha Gaydamak, Arcadia Gaydamak, Tanya Robins, Paul Hart, Al Fahim,. Ali Al Faraj, Balram Chanarai, Levi Kushnir, Daniel Azougy, Avram Grant, Mark?? (First lawyer guy) , Andrew Anroid, David Lumpitt, Peter kubik, Steve Clotterill, Vladimir Antonov, Roman Dubov, Michael Appleton, Penny Morant, David Cameron, Mike Handcock,, HMRC, Rosie47, Lithuanian pensioners, Peter Cala, Bad Company. Known Missing QC’s, Prosecutors and judge from first trial The young northern lad whose dad was bankrupt who wanted to buy them last time The secret but skint millionaire who wanted to buy them last time Maradona, Riquelme, Colonel Gadaffi's Son, David Akers, Registrar Derrett, Injustice Mann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 There's many people on here who have said they will stop supporting England if Bagpuss gets the job. I personally don't get it. Did these people stop supporting Saints when he defected from Portsmouth? I support Southampton (as my club team) and England (as the national team) and that will never change not matter who is in charge. Yes I get frustrated with England and the have aged me more than my years but England are bigger than one individual. I think we need to get over the fact that Twitch has be found not-guilty, (I am careful to state not-guilty as opposed to innocent because in my book they are different - it just means there wasn't enough evidence to convince the 12 good men & women on the jury and whether that's because he is genuinely innocent of these crimes I just don't know - I've not been close enough to it to know all the details but based on the snippets in the mdeia and in my opinion, just before the verdict was read, I was convinced he was as guilty as Gary Glitter in mothercare with his c**k in his hand, but my opionion has been shown to be wrong by the Bagpuss 12), because as far as the law goes he has not done anything wrong. In fact we should be celebrating him because he was a key player in the demise of PFC - without his over spending and winning the FA Cup (whcih triggered loads of bonuses) we would not have had the 2 years of fun on this thread. I want (and I think, despite what some have written here, nearly all of you, deep down, also want) England to be sucessful and lets face it, taking off our red & white striped tinted glasses, he is probably one of the best managers out there for the England role. One other name comes to mind but he's just signed a contract with Sunderland so we can write that one off. So if the FA appoint Bagpuss I for one will be quietly satisfied that finally we have a manager that who fits all the criteria for the role and will support the team with or without him at the helm, as I did when he came to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 What's the point with 'arry though, really? He'll just pick a similar team to the last however many clueless idiots that will be based around a spine of players who have proven over and over again that they aren't technically good enough to win a major tournament. So why not look a little bit more long term and get a younger manager in who is going to stick around for 3 or 4 tournaments, at least, and allow him to move on from the Terry/Gerrard/Cole generation and give some of the talented younger players a chance to gain some experience playing together as a TEAM? I'd quite like Brenden Rogers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooh it's a corner Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 For those of you that don't understand why people are posting that they will stop supporting England if Redknapp becomes the new national manager, here's my reason why. I was fortunate to have been brought up with a sense of right and wrong, fair-play, sportsmanship and a need to treat others as you would wish to be treated. This does not make me a perfect human being (far from it), but when I believe people have wronged, then I also believe there ought to be a punishment to go along with said wrong-doing. To REPRESENT your country at anything, is (in my opinion) a huge accolade and an honour. You are showing the outside world, the qualities that your nation has to offer, in a given field. John Terry has been filmed using racist language on a football field. Guilty or not guilty in a court of law, it is enough for me not to want him to be associated with MY national team. By the same token, it is my opinion that Mr Redknapp has, during his managerial career, taken every opportunity to profiteer from football, with no consideration towards the greater good of the game (i.e. leaving some money on the table for the club) and has potentially behaved in manners which at best would be considered bringing the game into disrepute, and at worse bring crown court charges to bear. Of course, by the law of this land, he is innocent. Under the same laws, Abu Qatada is free to leave custody (albeit with bail conditions). I don't expect the national team manager to be perfect. I don't expect the national team captain to be perfect. However, if the FA think it is acceptable to spout racist bile (which fundamentally they do, or else they would have advised Mr Terry that he will never don the England shirt again), they will probably see it as acceptable to ignore any past or future allegations against bagpuss. Personally, I do not think it is unreasonable of me to expect the national manager to have a moral compass which points more-or-less due north - I dont think this is the case with Mr R. Of course this is my "opinion". Perhaps that makes me "opinionated". Perhaps I have a chip on my shoulder when it comes to this individual. I will accept all of that. And perhaps I will change my opinion of him when he leads England out at the final of a major tournament. Or, perhaps, me and my opinion will just ignore the whole event and become like many a recent England footballer and care more for club than country. That will be a sad day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 8 February, 2012 Share Posted 8 February, 2012 Initially I was hacked off that they got found not guilty, but that @pearcesport chap posted his opinion after and said as the case went on it always looked like it was a waste of time. I still don't get home there is evidence that money was paid, time fitted in with possible bonus and so on, yet the defence was based around being a bit dense and some investment that was never actually talked about. I mean if the money was there for some investment then what investment? Surely there would be a paper trail that showed some investing and so on? But that wasn't talked about it seems. So while confused at the verdict I accept it. Onto the England job though... It seems to be a poisoned challace that has the FA pulling the strings and a team that chokes with everyone blaming the manager. I can't think of anyone who I would rather get the job to be honest? He won't be able to wheel and deal to bring in quirky players to provide the spark and the players he has to choose from are all pre-madona's who can't play together when it counts. It could be the end for Harry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Ooh it's a corner, You have just summarised my own feelings on the matter better the I could have wished to. Fair play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooh it's a corner Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Ooh it's a corner, You have just summarised my own feelings on the matter better the I could have wished to. Fair play. So, it's me, you and my chip on shoulder, asking for the local boozer to put the tennis on the tele this summer then :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 I don't expect the national team manager to be perfect. I don't expect the national team captain to be perfect. However, if the FA think it is acceptable to spout racist bile (which fundamentally they do, or else they would have advised Mr Terry that he will never don the England shirt again), they will probably see it as acceptable to ignore any past or future allegations against bagpuss. . Allegations are one thing but he has been found not guilty by by a jury in a court of law (it fudementally doesn't matter what I or anyone else thinks about the jury's decission). I agree with your sentiments but only if he'd been found guilty, did time then was appointed England manager but given he has been found not guilty there is no premise to discriminate against him for the role. In fact it would p155 in the face of fair play and what is right if he wasn't considered, because previous allegations count for nothig once dismissed by the courts. Would you stop supporting England if Dave Jones ever got the role and did you stop supporting Saints when Bagpuss joined us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Peeps, this is NOT the "arry for England job thread. It is the poopeys owner did NOT make poopey evade paying tax thread. In this particular instance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony13579 Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 (edited) 11 days to go. Yesterday was not a good day. Our police wasted 8m on a bungs enquiry. All they came up with was finding 2 payments. These payments, we're suspicious but not the huge systemic fraud they were looking for. They made fools of themselves by tipping press off when they raided Harry's house. The jury somehow found Them not guilty. Although in my judgement the crime did happen but was on a lower level and should have been debt with by a tax demand and tax fine. Then we get Peter 48 hours Storie bleating how this slur ruined his career. What ruined his career was paying over the odds for players, running a football club into the ground, standing up in court and telling the judge a huge inflated list of player values. Taking the last few hundred thousand pounds out of Pompey to build his 1m extension to his huge home. Working as a consultant to the club even whilst on its knees for huge fees. Pretending he was just the tea boy when he was the director. If this was Japan they would demand he fell on his sword. 11 days to go and we just know that BC and AA are cooking up some fictitious buyer who just needs 48 hours to sort the deal. And the court will believe the bottom dwelling blood sucking DFCSB's just enough to let them adjourn to cost us another £0.8m Edited 9 February, 2012 by tony13579 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzie Saints Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Dont know if this has already been posted but a table showing who's got the bestest travelling support from season 2010/11 http://www.football-league.co.uk/staticFiles/ad/88/0,,10794~166061,00.pdf Rank Div Rank Club Division Season 2010/11 1 Leeds United Championship 3 ,484 2 Nottingham Forest Championship 2 ,035 3 Norwich City Championship 1 ,926 4 Leicester City Championship 1 ,876 5 Sheffield Wednesday League 1 1 ,722 6 Queens Park Rangers Championship 1 ,510 7 Cardiff City Championship 1 ,501 8 Southampton League 1 1 ,487 9 Brighton & Hove Albion League 1 1 ,396 10 Huddersfield Town League 1 1 ,310 11 Burnley Championship 1 ,293 12 Hull City Championship 1 ,264 13 Derby County Championship 1 ,256 14 Millwall Championship 1 ,201 15 Portsmouth Championship 1 ,165 16 Crystal Palace Championship 1 ,157 17 Ipswich Town Championship 1 ,084 18 Middlesbrough Championship 1 ,064 19 Sheffield United Championship 978 20 Swansea City Championship 923 Which goes to show 2 things 1. we got better away support than the bestest in the land who apart from the top 6 in the premier have the best away following (B*llocks) 2. everyone hates living in Leeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 11 days to go and we just know that BC and AA are cooking up some fictitious buyer who just needs 48 hours to sort the deal. And the court will believe the bottom dwelling blood sucking DFCSB's just enough to let them adjourn to cost us another £0.8m I'm not so sure about this. Contrary to the 5h1t that comes out of AA's and DL's mouths I think their predicament is worse this time around given that, although the level of debt is less, the percentage of unsecured debt that is owed to HMRC and Baker Tilley apprears to be a lot greater meaning that any potential CVA could well be vetoed. I can not see what purpose trying to delay the hearing will do because the debt to HMRC will simpley increase meaning any prospective buyer has an even greater amount to fund making the club even less sellable than it already is. (We also don't know what penalty fees HMRC are willing to add to their debt). That said 2 years ago I could not see the purpose of keeping them going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 For those of you that don't understand why people are posting that they will stop supporting England if Redknapp becomes the new national manager, here's my reason why. I was fortunate to have been brought up with a sense of right and wrong, fair-play, sportsmanship and a need to treat others as you would wish to be treated. This does not make me a perfect human being (far from it), but when I believe people have wronged, then I also believe there ought to be a punishment to go along with said wrong-doing. To REPRESENT your country at anything, is (in my opinion) a huge accolade and an honour. You are showing the outside world, the qualities that your nation has to offer, in a given field. John Terry has been filmed using racist language on a football field. Guilty or not guilty in a court of law, it is enough for me not to want him to be associated with MY national team. By the same token, it is my opinion that Mr Redknapp has, during his managerial career, taken every opportunity to profiteer from football, with no consideration towards the greater good of the game (i.e. leaving some money on the table for the club) and has potentially behaved in manners which at best would be considered bringing the game into disrepute, and at worse bring crown court charges to bear. Of course, by the law of this land, he is innocent. Under the same laws, Abu Qatada is free to leave custody (albeit with bail conditions). I don't expect the national team manager to be perfect. I don't expect the national team captain to be perfect. However, if the FA think it is acceptable to spout racist bile (which fundamentally they do, or else they would have advised Mr Terry that he will never don the England shirt again), they will probably see it as acceptable to ignore any past or future allegations against bagpuss. Personally, I do not think it is unreasonable of me to expect the national manager to have a moral compass which points more-or-less due north - I dont think this is the case with Mr R. Of course this is my "opinion". Perhaps that makes me "opinionated". Perhaps I have a chip on my shoulder when it comes to this individual. I will accept all of that. And perhaps I will change my opinion of him when he leads England out at the final of a major tournament. Or, perhaps, me and my opinion will just ignore the whole event and become like many a recent England footballer and care more for club than country. That will be a sad day. Yeh baby!........this for sure. Very good post, says it all really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooh it's a corner Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Allegations are one thing but he has been found not guilty by by a jury in a court of law (it fudementally doesn't matter what I or anyone else thinks about the jury's decission). I agree with your sentiments but only if he'd been found guilty, did time then was appointed England manager but given he has been found not guilty there is no premise to discriminate against him for the role. In fact it would p155 in the face of fair play and what is right if he wasn't considered, because previous allegations count for nothig once dismissed by the courts. Would you stop supporting England if Dave Jones ever got the role and did you stop supporting Saints when Bagpuss joined us? You're absolutely right, he has been found not guilty. However, something in my core says that he is not the chariting giving, model citizen that the tabloids would have us believe. Dave Jones, in my opinion, was a good egg, falsely accused. Harry is a bad egg, falsely found not guilty. This is purely my opinion, not one that I am trying to convince others to share, just my opinion. That means that if (or perhaps when) he becomes England boss, I will feel less pride in that team, to the extent of not bothering to watch. that's all. But, as DP says, it's not the HR thread, so back to more important matters, are they dead yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Dont know if this has already been posted but a table showing who's got the bestest travelling support from season 2010/11 http://www.football-league.co.uk/staticFiles/ad/88/0,,10794~166061,00.pdf Rank Div Rank Club Division Season 2010/11 1 Leeds United Championship 3 ,484 2 Nottingham Forest Championship 2 ,035 3 Norwich City Championship 1 ,926 4 Leicester City Championship 1 ,876 5 Sheffield Wednesday League 1 1 ,722 6 Queens Park Rangers Championship 1 ,510 7 Cardiff City Championship 1 ,501 8 Southampton League 1 1 ,487 9 Brighton & Hove Albion League 1 1 ,396 10 Huddersfield Town League 1 1 ,310 11 Burnley Championship 1 ,293 12 Hull City Championship 1 ,264 13 Derby County Championship 1 ,256 14 Millwall Championship 1 ,201 15 Portsmouth Championship 1 ,165 16 Crystal Palace Championship 1 ,157 17 Ipswich Town Championship 1 ,084 18 Middlesbrough Championship 1 ,064 19 Sheffield United Championship 978 20 Swansea City Championship 923 Which goes to show 2 things 1. we got better away support than the bestest in the land who apart from the top 6 in the premier have the best away following (B*llocks) 2. everyone hates living in Leeds Not sure about 6th place in the Premier League, but they would appear to have a solid case for a claim to 5th place in League 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Anyone else get the feeling after Storrie's declaration of love for the club and the fans yesterday (vomit) that he's going to get involved before the 20th?? Let's face it, who will employ him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 @pn_neil_allen: The PFA are hoping forwarded parachute payments can be used to pay player wages for January. #Pompey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 @pn_neil_allen: The PFA are hoping forwarded parachute payments can be used to pay player wages for January. #Pompey Just kicking the can down the road... Pompey really are the Greece of the football world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruffalo Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Robbing Peter to pay Paul would simply prolong the inevitable. Tick tock.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellgirl Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Knowing where the bodies are buried before the diggers move in ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 @pn_neil_allen: The PFA are hoping forwarded parachute payments can be used to pay player wages for January. #Pompey F*** the players, what about the rest of the poor sods who work there. You know, the one's with a mortgage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Pompey and the associated cast are getting lucky everytime it would seem, but they need to. HMRC just need to get lucky the once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony13579 Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 And another thing..... where is the court ruling on the football creditors rule..... another debarcle on its way.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 18 Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 @pn_neil_allen: The PFA are hoping forwarded parachute payments can be used to pay player wages for January. #Pompey Correct me if Im wrong but wern't the parachute payments already earmarked to pay off the CVA from the last administration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 How the F*ck are the rest of the teams in the league happy with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Dont know if this has already been posted but a table showing who's got the bestest travelling support from season 2010/11 http://www.football-league.co.uk/staticFiles/ad/88/0,,10794~166061,00.pdf Rank Div Rank Club Division Season 2010/11 1 Leeds United Championship 3 ,484 2 Nottingham Forest Championship 2 ,035 3 Norwich City Championship 1 ,926 4 Leicester City Championship 1 ,876 5 Sheffield Wednesday League 1 1 ,722 6 Queens Park Rangers Championship 1 ,510 7 Cardiff City Championship 1 ,501 8 Southampton League 1 1 ,487 9 Brighton & Hove Albion League 1 1 ,396 10 Huddersfield Town League 1 1 ,310 11 Burnley Championship 1 ,293 12 Hull City Championship 1 ,264 13 Derby County Championship 1 ,256 14 Millwall Championship 1 ,201 15 Portsmouth Championship 1 ,165 16 Crystal Palace Championship 1 ,157 17 Ipswich Town Championship 1 ,084 18 Middlesbrough Championship 1 ,064 19 Sheffield United Championship 978 20 Swansea City Championship 923 Which goes to show 2 things 1. we got better away support than the bestest in the land who apart from the top 6 in the premier have the best away following (B*llocks) 2. everyone hates living in Leeds Also, of course we were in League One at the time, all those above us (& the Skates) were in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 @pn_neil_allen: The PFA are hoping forwarded parachute payments can be used to pay player wages for January. #Pompey Thats quite an intresting post. They were always going to get early parachute payments, from the momemt lampitt said he was going to ask for them. Why the pfa would hope they would be used to pay the players is odd wording. May be I am reading too much into the words, but "Hoping"?????? May be the advance isnt enough to cover player wages & HMRC and the hope is that they will be allowed to pay the players over HMRC. It's pure guesswork, but very strange use of words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 F*** the players, what about the rest of the poor sods who work there. You know, the one's with a mortgage. I reckon that that is journalism for you and that when they say players' wages they do mean everyone's. But you are right - **** the players (and the Football Creditors rule). It is grossly unfair. There seems to be no personal responsibility - players themselves (or their union) should ensure that they can they can get paid and not rely on some dodgy law. If I was offered £30k a week by an employer that I knew patently couldn't afford it, then while the greedy pound signs would flash before my eyes, hopefully the head would see through the unsustainable bull's hit. It comes back to football not being with the rest of the world and thinking that they are an exception. Certainly they are not being dissuaded from thinking like that, so I hope HMRC wins it's Creditors case and that hopefully will bring a bit of reality back to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 .... and of course once they've paid the players, the tax bill / debt hikes up by another increment of £800k..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 @pn_neil_allen: The PFA are hoping forwarded parachute payments can be used to pay player wages for January. #Pompey excellent, so if they manage to survive past 20 Feb be it through admin or other means, that'll ensure that the CVA payment is not paid. They're like a retarded Robin Hood - stealing off the poor to give to the rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petersfield Saint Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 For those of you that don't understand why people are posting that they will stop supporting England if Redknapp becomes the new national manager, here's my reason why. I was fortunate to have been brought up with a sense of right and wrong, fair-play, sportsmanship and a need to treat others as you would wish to be treated. This does not make me a perfect human being (far from it), but when I believe people have wronged, then I also believe there ought to be a punishment to go along with said wrong-doing. To REPRESENT your country at anything, is (in my opinion) a huge accolade and an honour. You are showing the outside world, the qualities that your nation has to offer, in a given field. John Terry has been filmed using racist language on a football field. Guilty or not guilty in a court of law, it is enough for me not to want him to be associated with MY national team. By the same token, it is my opinion that Mr Redknapp has, during his managerial career, taken every opportunity to profiteer from football, with no consideration towards the greater good of the game (i.e. leaving some money on the table for the club) and has potentially behaved in manners which at best would be considered bringing the game into disrepute, and at worse bring crown court charges to bear. Of course, by the law of this land, he is innocent. Under the same laws, Abu Qatada is free to leave custody (albeit with bail conditions). I don't expect the national team manager to be perfect. I don't expect the national team captain to be perfect. However, if the FA think it is acceptable to spout racist bile (which fundamentally they do, or else they would have advised Mr Terry that he will never don the England shirt again), they will probably see it as acceptable to ignore any past or future allegations against bagpuss. Personally, I do not think it is unreasonable of me to expect the national manager to have a moral compass which points more-or-less due north - I dont think this is the case with Mr R. Of course this is my "opinion". Perhaps that makes me "opinionated". Perhaps I have a chip on my shoulder when it comes to this individual. I will accept all of that. And perhaps I will change my opinion of him when he leads England out at the final of a major tournament. Or, perhaps, me and my opinion will just ignore the whole event and become like many a recent England footballer and care more for club than country. That will be a sad day. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysstuff Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 And another thing..... where is the court ruling on the football creditors rule..... another debarcle on its way.... Wasn't the verdict due on that just after xmas? It.s almost mid Feb now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey-deacons-left-nut Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Didn;t they get parachute payments forwarded on last time but with the added bonus that they would only get them if they accepted the points deduction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellboypete Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 ...................... Pompey really are the Greece of the football world. That's a bit harsh on Greece. Apart from their economy (on a par with ppy), Greece is a rather nice place to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 The league will make allowances so that the tax man is paid.They will lend the £1.6m-2m against future money due to Pompey. I expect it will happen minutes before or perhaps the day before the petition is heard. of course the courts will also be very busy and the date pushed back again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 @pn_neil_allen: The PFA are hoping forwarded parachute payments can be used to pay player wages for January. #Pompey I wouldnt mind seeing the PFA quote verbatim, rather than a journalist's interpretation. Without the word "forwarded" it makes complete sense. If PFC are wound up, the players January wages will be paid from the parachute payments, as will all football creditors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 I reckon that that is journalism for you and that when they say players' wages they do mean everyone's. But you are right - **** the players (and the Football Creditors rule). It is grossly unfair. There seems to be no personal responsibility - players themselves (or their union) should ensure that they can they can get paid and not rely on some dodgy law. If I was offered £30k a week by an employer that I knew patently couldn't afford it, then while the greedy pound signs would flash before my eyes, hopefully the head would see through the unsustainable bull's hit. It comes back to football not being with the rest of the world and thinking that they are an exception. Certainly they are not being dissuaded from thinking like that, so I hope HMRC wins it's Creditors case and that hopefully will bring a bit of reality back to the game. Quite. If the PL are prepared to forward another early payment of the parachute money, then I'm sure that could/would be used to pay wages (surely all wages?) and the current tax bill, and so avoid the winding up. However it will just prolong the agony , because that money was indeed earmarked to pay the cva. Nonetheless it is a sensible thing for Lampitt to try, given how desperate they are with the only alternative being liquidation. His strategy would in effect be no more sophisticated than "something will turn up" before the cva money is needed BUT , the PL may not be so willing to advance payments this time. They did it before, because they did not want a club to go to the wall during the PL season. Now that Portsmouth are in the FL, will the PL care? -- especially since if they go bust, my reading of the rules is that the parachute money stays with the PL clubs instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevvy Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/549128198?-11209 Looks like Ipswich are after pompey players again, will they go wait and see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Dont know if this has already been posted but a table showing who's got the bestest travelling support from season 2010/11 http://www.football-league.co.uk/staticFiles/ad/88/0,,10794~166061,00.pdf Rank Div Rank Club Division Season 2010/11 1 Leeds United Championship 3 ,484 2 Nottingham Forest Championship 2 ,035 3 Norwich City Championship 1 ,926 4 Leicester City Championship 1 ,876 5 Sheffield Wednesday League 1 1 ,722 6 Queens Park Rangers Championship 1 ,510 7 Cardiff City Championship 1 ,501 8 Southampton League 1 1 ,487 9 Brighton & Hove Albion League 1 1 ,396 10 Huddersfield Town League 1 1 ,310 11 Burnley Championship 1 ,293 12 Hull City Championship 1 ,264 13 Derby County Championship 1 ,256 14 Millwall Championship 1 ,201 15 Portsmouth Championship 1 ,165 16 Crystal Palace Championship 1 ,157 17 Ipswich Town Championship 1 ,084 18 Middlesbrough Championship 1 ,064 19 Sheffield United Championship 978 20 Swansea City Championship 923 Which goes to show 2 things 1. we got better away support than the bestest in the land who apart from the top 6 in the premier have the best away following (B*llocks) 2. everyone hates living in Leeds Perfect example of you can prove anything with statistics. Based on a percentage of the few who bother to turn up at home their away support is very high indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Why would you bring forward parachute payments to a club who are no where near finding a new owner, have a WOP galloping up the rails and no present prospect of avoiding an Order. Surely it would be like throwing bank notes into a fire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Redknapp gets slated for asking for more money to improve the team. ALL managers do that. You all know that. If Gaydamak says yes, how can Redknapp be blamed? It's his job to improve the team. So he negotiates a commission on player sales. **** it, if he's turned a 1m player into a 5m player I'm more than happy to pay him a commission. You don't find it problematic that the manager of the club is given an economical incentive to continually shift players out as he personally cashes in on every transfer? This is the very reason football agents are being called the leeches of the footballing world as they are constantly trying to arrange for a sale of their client so they can get a slice of the cake. PFC took this discrepancy between the sporting interests (keeping a stable squad together) and personal economical interest to an entirely new level - unless this is a phenomenon that is used at every club (which I would frankly find quite shocking!). Is NA on a similar deal? Other clubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 You don't find it problematic that the manager of the club is given an economical incentive to continually shift players out as he personally cashes in on every transfer? This is the very reason football agents are being called the leeches of the footballing world as they are constantly trying to arrange for a sale of their client so they can get a slice of the cake. PFC took this discrepancy between the sporting interests (keeping a stable squad together) and personal economical interest to an entirely new level - unless this is a phenomenon that is used at every club (which I would frankly find quite shocking!). Is NA on a similar deal? Other clubs? Manager of a football team paid bonuses based on profit of player sales - I'd argue there would be quite a large conflict of interests. Dodgy as **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Manager of a football team paid bonuses based on profit of player sales - I'd argue there would be quite a large conflict of interests. Dodgy as **** Maybe I'm hopelessly naive, but this to me was the biggest shock of the Redknapp case. It's wrong on so many levels and noone seems to have picked up on it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Maybe I'm hopelessly naive, but this to me was the biggest shock of the Redknapp case. It's wrong on so many levels and noone seems to have picked up on it... How is it wrong? In any other sector if you make your employer a big profit on a transaction you may have the right to a bonus, so a football manager making profit at what he does best how is that so different. Bankers get bonuses for exactly the same thing,salemen get bonuses for selling more stuff. There's absolutely no difference, buy em cheap,sell them dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 Maybe I'm hopelessly naive, but this to me was the biggest shock of the Redknapp case. It's wrong on so many levels and noone seems to have picked up on it... Like with many things P****y related, no one except the PTS thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 "Arry, I've gotta 'ave that new kitchen, love. I just can't be doin' wiv this one no more" "Alright, Sandra me old luv, I'll sell Gareth Bale" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 You don't find it problematic SNIP Exactly! It's one of the reason the banks are financially in the sheet because a lot of their paper profits were just moving money around on what turned out to be non or dodgy assets, or trading just for the sake of trading because there might be short term bonuses for the traders. If you have money in a fund they often charge extra funds for buying and selling costs. Sometimes called "churn" in the financial world. That's why the biggest chunk of shares I have I own direct and there are minimal costs involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 How is it wrong? In any other sector if you make your employer a big profit on a transaction you may have the right to a bonus, so a football manager making profit at what he does best how is that so different. Bankers get bonuses for exactly the same thing,salemen get bonuses for selling more stuff. There's absolutely no difference, buy em cheap,sell them dear. See my subsequent post. As for sales people, if they are actually selling physical stuff at a profit perhaps that's better. But I remember early in my career where I came across our shops selling goods on HP to people who had no intention or ability to complete the contract. The shops still got their bonus as they managed to push the costs elsewhere... Sound familiar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kirkup Posted 9 February, 2012 Share Posted 9 February, 2012 How is it wrong? In any other sector if you make your employer a big profit on a transaction you may have the right to a bonus, so a football manager making profit at what he does best how is that so different. Bankers get bonuses for exactly the same thing,salemen get bonuses for selling more stuff. There's absolutely no difference, buy em cheap,sell them dear. But in all other businesses the ultimate goal is to make a profit - in football's case selling your best players ( even if you have made them better players ) is counter productive to the goals of the club - ie to be more successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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