Pompey Takeover Saga

[stevegrant]

If 'Arry became England supremo, then Kevin Bond would of course go with him.

 

Where would that leave Joe Jordan, the fiercely proud Scot?

John Gorman had no problem working with England when he was Glenn Hoddle's assistant

[JackFrost]

Why?

 

The England team stopped being an England team about 10 years ago. It's no more than a brand full of overpaid and overrated journeymen who are exploited by the media is sell replica shirts. It's clear most of the players don't even want to be there and some players (like Gary Neville) have admitted this. Compare the attitude of the England team of 20 years ago which featured characters like Terry Butcher and Stuart Pearce with the attitude of today's team and it's an absolute disgrace. The players and the FA are controlled by money and nothing else.

 

Redknapp will be the next England manager but I can't see him doing any better than anyone else who's done in the last decade. 'arry will be there just for the ride and he knows it.

[solentstars]

I would like to know why HR is hated so much as a person

 

Is it that his success at Bournemouth nearly broke them?

 

Is it his relative success at West Ham nearly broke them?

 

Is it because his success at Portsmouth the first time

 

Is it his indifference with Saints because he was not allowed to break us and was screwed by Lowe?

 

Is it the success he had second time with Portsmouth which broke them?

 

Is it the fantastic success he is having at Spurs?

 

Is it because of his engaging manner with the Sports Press and Media?

 

Brown papers bags wre always associated with 'Arry but it seems it was all sell on bonuses. Not HR fault he made a mint from the same. Chairman after Chairman (apart from Lowe) let him do it.

 

Yes I have read Broken Arrow. Good Chapter on HR but no real evididence of corruption or he would have been investigated and charged.

 

'Arry the barrow boy plied his trade not in the local markets, but in the world transfer market and he is one of the best at making money from it.

 

He has been found innocent by 12 good and true. I am prepared to accept that. I also think with his clearance today he will be the best person to get the best out of England as their Manager. If he cannot do it no one can.

i agree and thank harry for all the charity and fund raising he did in the southampton area when he did not need to , i,m more interested in pompey going bust and real crooks going to jail

[tony13579]

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1019218/ex-pompey-exec-storrie:-slurs-ruined-my-career?cc=5739

 

Former Portsmouth chief executive Peter Storrie said tax dodge slurs against him ruined his career.

 

Storrie also said he contacted police after being harassed by opposing football supporters.

 

Wednesday's verdicts in the Harry Redknapp case mean Storrie's acquittal at a previous trial can also be reported.

 

Mr Storrie told Southwark Crown Court he has not been able to revive his football career as he waited to clear his name.

 

"For four years I could not tell everyone that I was an innocent man,'' he said.

 

"For 17 years I was held in very high regard in football. At the moment it is impossible for anyone in football to employ me. If they Google my name all they can see is this case against me and 'tax fiddle, tax deal and tax fraud'.

 

"It is totally impossible for me to get into football until I clear my name.''

 

He said since the acquittal he has applied for a number of jobs unsuccessfully and he has been living on his savings which are "dwindling''.

 

"Fortunately we are in a position to do that but I need to get back to work,'' he added.

 

Storrie described his anguish at abuse from the public, some swearing at him while he was out walking his dogs and others shouting in the street.

 

In one instance, at a Portsmouth away game at Southampton, he was forced to report a matter to the police, he said.

Storrie said: "I left the game with my wife and family. We were approached by half a dozen Southampton supporters yelling into our faces 'tax fraud'. It was horrendous.''

I thought running pompey into debt ruined his career. :angry:

[Frank's cousin]

No it's not because it's wrong for one simple reason. The so called 'three musketeers' weren't the three who did the damage. It was the lone musketeer and his old man who came in after them that got us into trouble.

 

Mandaric took us from Championship to the Premiership. I wish he'd spent the money on a new ground instead as they don't get knocked down when the baliff's come calling, hmmm? Either way, we were paying our way and surviving, only just, but we were surviving.

 

Storrie gets absolutely slated by everyone for just being there. Like he had a cheque book and threw it and Redknapp! I don't think so. Storrie admitted that he warned Gaydamak on several occasions that the money for x,y,z player wasn't there, but Gaydamak overruled him every time and said it was ok. Storrie then did everything he could to keep the club going when the fire sale started. If Gaydamak chooses to take the money out as it seems clear that he did, Storrie is supposed to do what- walk out and let Gaydamak bring someone else in to shut it down once the last player is sold off?

 

Redknapp gets slated for asking for more money to improve the team. ALL managers do that. You all know that. If Gaydamak says yes, how can Redknapp be blamed? It's his job to improve the team. So he negotiates a commission on player sales. **** it, if he's turned a 1m player into a 5m player I'm more than happy to pay him a commission.

 

The blame for where Pompey are now lies with Gaydamak, and latterly Chainrai in believing he's going to get all his money back. He won't, but he knows he'll get more back by selling the club at a lower price that someone is prepared to pay, than getting a pittance for FP if it all goes tits up on the 20th....

 

Sorry but have to disagree. They committed the club to contracts in excess of what the annual revenue could sustain without Mandrich's cash. He then chose to sell to someone with a dodgy background/father without bothering to care what that might mean if the new owners no longer injected teh cap[itial necessary to sustain those contracts - and teh new owners contined to blow more loans and cash... Responsibilty INCLUDES not doing something that could jepodise the future of the club... It why we feel comfortable with our situation as a) we have not gone mad with the check book, b) although 2011 accounts not yet availble, I suspect we will be close to operating within our means despite what Corps thinks and c) The ethicxal way Marcus Liebherr and Nicola Cortese do business would preclude selling without due diligence - I feel very comfortable saying that as their background has always been about intregity.

[Wes Tender]

These chancers - whose innocence you are celebrating - have shafted P****y fans so far up their own tail pipes that most of their brains have been squeezed out of their ears.

 

This is where pfc123's brain is currently located.

[sussexsaint]

The England team stopped being an England team about 10 years ago. It's no more than a brand full of overpaid and overrated journeymen who are exploited by the media is sell replica shirts. It's clear most of the players don't even want to be there and some players (like Gary Neville) have admitted this. Compare the attitude of the England team of 20 years ago which featured characters like Terry Butcher and Stuart Pearce with the attitude of today's team and it's an absolute disgrace. The players and the FA are controlled by money and nothing else.

 

Redknapp will be the next England manager but I can't see him doing any better than anyone else who's done in the last decade. 'arry will be there just for the ride and he knows it.

 

excellent post mate , playing for England used to be the pinnacle of achievment for a player. Now it feels that a world cup is an annoying distraction from their holiday before preseason training starts

[derry]

Administration is all very well but it has to be funded. I went to a meeting with Leon Crouch etc about trying to rescue something when Pinnacle were messing about and Mike Osman had told me that Pinnacle were nowhere but the Swiss were big but not in the frame. At that point LC said that the football club couldn't fund administration as it was too late and were close to liquidation. Luckily Markus and Nicola stood by us.

 

If PFC are not to be liquidated there has to be an injection of funds to finance a solvent period of operation and pay the administrator. It will cost a lot of money to service the players contracts and pay the ongoing HMRC taxes plus the operation. So where is that cash injection going to come from. If Chanrai doesn't who in their right mind would.

[Ken Tone]

Sorry but have to disagree. They committed the club to contracts in excess of what the annual revenue could sustain without Mandrich's cash. He then chose to sell to someone with a dodgy background/father without bothering to care what that might mean if the new owners no longer injected teh cap[itial necessary to sustain those contracts - and teh new owners contined to blow more loans and cash... Responsibilty INCLUDES not doing something that could jepodise the future of the club... It why we feel comfortable with our situation as a) we have not gone mad with the check book' date= b) although 2011 accounts not yet availble, I suspect we will be close to operating within our means despite what Corps thinks and c) The ethicxal way Marcus Liebherr and Nicola Cortese do business would preclude selling without due diligence - I feel very comfortable saying that as their background has always been about intregity.[/quote]

 

Exactly this. Mandaric sold to someone -- anyone -- to get back the money he had put in, after he bought the club on the cheap out of their (first?) spell in administration. He played with his toy for while, indulging Redknapp and starting the overspending, then sold them down the river without checking the credentials of the buyer, or maybe without caring about the dodgy credentials of the buyer, presumably because a sensible non-dodgy person would not have paid him his price for a club that was obviously such a poor investment.

 

One of the many questions posted on here for PFC fans that Corp Ho ignores because he cannot answer them, is "when did PFC last live within its means ? When did its income last match its outgoings?" Want to have a go at answering that PFC123, since Rosey will not?

 

It certainly was not in Redknapp and Mandaric's time.

[Saint Keith]

Mandaric took us from Championship to the Premiership. I wish he'd spent the money on a new ground instead as they don't get knocked down when the baliff's come calling, hmmm? Either way, we were paying our way and surviving, only just, but we were surviving.

 

Storrie gets absolutely slated by everyone for just being there. Like he had a cheque book and threw it and Redknapp! I don't think so. Storrie admitted that he warned Gaydamak on several occasions that the money for x,y,z player wasn't there, but Gaydamak overruled him every time and said it was ok. Storrie then did everything he could to keep the club going when the fire sale started. If Gaydamak chooses to take the money out as it seems clear that he did, Storrie is supposed to do what- walk out and let Gaydamak bring someone else in to shut it down once the last player is sold off?

 

 

TBF, that's the most reasonable thing ive read from a skate for a while

[solentstars]

Administration is all very well but it has to be funded. I went to a meeting with Leon Crouch etc about trying to rescue something when Pinnacle were messing about and Mike Osman had told me that Pinnacle were nowhere but the Swiss were big but not in the frame. At that point LC said that the football club couldn't fund administration as it was too late and were close to liquidation. Luckily Markus and Nicola stood by us.

 

If PFC are not to be liquidated there has to be an injection of funds to finance a solvent period of operation and pay the administrator. It will cost a lot of money to service the players contracts and pay the ongoing HMRC taxes plus the operation. So where is that cash injection going to come from. If Chanrai doesn't who in their right mind would.

very good summary and i cannot see anyway out for the cheats.

[Lord Duckhunter]

We have to respect the jury's decision whether you like it or not, I dont want to live in a Country where we have trials without a jury. Redknapp and MM paid for the best defence money can buy and remember they dont have to prove their innocence, it's up to the pros to prove their guilt, an competely different thing. Had the FA charged them, then the burden of proof would have been lower, but once the police were involved that particular avenue was gone.

 

The FA must be hoping and preying that Redknapp rules himself out of the job or Levy does it for them.They are still taking stick for not giving the job to Cloughie 35 years ago, and yet there were sound ethical reasons for doing so. Dont forget the whiff of bungs & drink hung over him for years (he would have been charged if not for ill health), he was not the man for the jobh, however good a Manager he was. Same with Venables and now the same with Redknapp. I'm sure the FA are fully aware of his "type" but have no concrete evidence to offically rule him out. Their best hope is that Capello walks soon and a caretaker is placed in charge who has a good Euro's and therefore keeps the job. There is no way the FA want Redknapp but whether they have the backbone to do what they did with Cloughie and ignore the clamour from the fans and media is another thing. Having watched Capello take them for mugs, I feel they will let themselves be pressurised into giving Redknapp the job.

 

For what it's worth, I was told by a friend who is a journo, that there is plenty of unsubstantiated material about Redknapp, including Panorma footage that his lawyers sucsessfully stopped the BBC airing. I doubt if any of it will see the light of day now, but surely the FA are aware of it all, it just depends whether they want to turn a blind eye.

[pfc123]

Exactly this. Mandaric sold to someone -- anyone -- to get back the money he had put in, after he bought the club on the cheap out of their (first?) spell in administration. He played with his toy for while, indulging Redknapp and starting the overspending, then sold them down the river without checking the credentials of the buyer, or maybe without caring about the dodgy credentials of the buyer, presumably because a sensible non-dodgy person would not have paid him his price for a club that was obviously such a poor investment.

 

One of the many questions posted on here for PFC fans that Corp Ho ignores because he cannot answer them, is "when did PFC last live within its means ? When did its income last match its outgoings?" Want to have a go at answering that PFC123, since Rosey will not?

 

It certainly was not in Redknapp and Mandaric's time.

 

It certainly was. Last time we were in the black was 2004/05 with a profit of £3.503m. The previous year, 2003/04 we made a profit of £3.356m....

[Micky]

No it's not because it's wrong for one simple reason. The so called 'three musketeers' weren't the three who did the damage. It was the lone musketeer and his old man who came in after them that got us into trouble.

 

Mandaric took us from Championship to the Premiership. I wish he'd spent the money on a new ground instead as they don't get knocked down when the baliff's come calling, hmmm? Either way, we were paying our way and surviving, only just, but we were surviving.

 

Storrie gets absolutely slated by everyone for just being there. Like he had a cheque book and threw it and Redknapp! I don't think so. Storrie admitted that he warned Gaydamak on several occasions that the money for x,y,z player wasn't there, but Gaydamak overruled him every time and said it was ok. Storrie then did everything he could to keep the club going when the fire sale started. If Gaydamak chooses to take the money out as it seems clear that he did, Storrie is supposed to do what- walk out and let Gaydamak bring someone else in to shut it down once the last player is sold off?

 

Redknapp gets slated for asking for more money to improve the team. ALL managers do that. You all know that. If Gaydamak says yes, how can Redknapp be blamed? It's his job to improve the team. So he negotiates a commission on player sales. **** it, if he's turned a 1m player into a 5m player I'm more than happy to pay him a commission.

 

The blame for where Pompey are now lies with Gaydamak, and latterly Chainrai in believing he's going to get all his money back. He won't, but he knows he'll get more back by selling the club at a lower price that someone is prepared to pay, than getting a pittance for FP if it all goes tits up on the 20th....

 

So in amongst all of that theoretical baloney are we to beleive that the link between Storey and Redknapp never existed - did they never converse. Utter claptrap.

[pfc123]

We have to respect the jury's decision whether you like it or not, I dont want to live in a Country where we have trials without a jury. Redknapp and MM paid for the best defence money can buy and remember they dont have to prove their innocence, it's up to the pros to prove their guilt, an competely different thing. Had the FA charged them, then the burden of proof would have been lower, but once the police were involved that particular avenue was gone.

 

The FA must be hoping and preying that Redknapp rules himself out of the job or Levy does it for them.They are still taking stick for not giving the job to Cloughie 35 years ago, and yet there were sound ethical reasons for doing so. Dont forget the whiff of bungs & drink hung over him for years (he would have been charged if not for ill health), he was not the man for the jobh, however good a Manager he was. Same with Venables and now the same with Redknapp. I'm sure the FA are fully aware of his "type" but have no concrete evidence to offically rule him out. Their best hope is that Capello walks soon and a caretaker is placed in charge who has a good Euro's and therefore keeps the job. There is no way the FA want Redknapp but whether they have the backbone to do what they did with Cloughie and ignore the clamour from the fans and media is another thing. Having watched Capello take them for mugs, I feel they will let themselves be pressurised into giving Redknapp the job.

 

For what it's worth, I was told by a friend who is a journo, that there is plenty of unsubstantiated material about Redknapp, including Panorma footage that his lawyers sucsessfully stopped the BBC airing. I doubt if any of it will see the light of day now, but surely the FA are aware of it all, it just depends whether they want to turn a blind eye.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see Martin O'neil be offered it anyway if he keeps Sunderland on their good run. If Redknapp is offered it, any scandal will be quietly filed away in a folder marked 'To be published the day he's sacked/quits'. Unless of course we actually win something under him....

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

TBF, that's the most reasonable thing ive read from a skate for a while

 

Is it? A chief exec isn't doing his job if he carries on blowing smoke up the owners arse while he runs the business into the ground. If Storrie had any integrity he'd have resigned not long into the Gaydamak regime. Let's not forget that Storrie was also completely complicit in the over-spending despite what he might like to portray retrospectively e.g. he was heavily involved in the crap contract negotiations which meant that the cup win actually cost more than in brought in. The likes of the kit-man being paid well into six figures was all Storrie.

[pfc123]

So in amongst all of that theoretical baloney are we to beleive that the link between Storey and Redknapp never existed - did they never converse. Utter claptrap.

 

What 'link'?

[pfc123]

The likes of the kit-man being paid well into six figures was all Storrie.

Utter ********. The kit man was on 40k a year. Nice work if you can get it, but not six figures....

[Jonnyboy]

Sandbanks - 4th most expensive real estate in the world. Rest my case m'lud.

[Micky]

What 'link'?

 

Forget it, if it's that confusing, forget it. Good luck for the rest of the season - I feel for you.

[derry]

Utter ********. The kit man was on 40k a year. Nice work if you can get it, but not six figures....

 

Didn't he get extras for putting out the cones etc at the training ground that were extravagant and didn't Storrie get bonuses for team results?

[Winchester Red]

I've met Harry several times away from football and have found him a decent friendly bloke (usually at golf events), and yet when I think of him in a football context I find him thoroughly dislikable. It's a weird thing, and not just because I'm a Saints supporter.

 

I think he's a kind of retarded Robin Hood. I have no doubt at all that he takes absolutely every pound he can get his hands on (haggling down to the last penny), it's just in his cockney nature. But he does chuck it around, not in an I'm rich up yours kind of way, more of a I've got more than I need, lets do this with some of it way. The story about signing half the profits away on the property development because he hadn't read the contract I heard a while ago so I suppose it's probably true, and I've witnessed him a couple times put up pretty expensive prizes at Charity Golf Days (like rounds for 3+him and food at expensive golf courses). Not mega bucks but probably about £500 to £1000 worth. He's the sort of bloke that almost comes across as tight when he's being pushed to spend but if he thinks of the idea himself or has free choice, he's pretty free with it.

 

Anyway, a retarded Robin Hood is the way I think of him, and I suspect he's probably guilty of trying to keep the money because it's just in his nature, but actually not guilty of wanting to deprive HMRC of it.

 

I know that doesn't make sense really, but to me it would sum him up.

 

I personally hope he gets the England job. If anyone can do it well I think he can because he massages egos and that's the only thing tossers like Cole and Terry respond too. Also, if he f*cks up the media will turn on him finally and I wont have to put up with the 'Harry is the greatest' sh1t that they print every other day

Edited 8 February, 2012 by Winchester Red
spelling (again)

[View From The Top]

After Arry's pop at the red tops I wonder how they will deal with him in the future.

[Winchester Red]

Is it? A chief exec isn't doing his job if he carries on blowing smoke up the owners arse while he runs the business into the ground. If Storrie had any integrity he'd have resigned not long into the Gaydamak regime. Let's not forget that Storrie was also completely complicit in the over-spending despite what he might like to portray retrospectively e.g. he was heavily involved in the crap contract negotiations which meant that the cup win actually cost more than in brought in. The likes of the kit-man being paid well into six figures was all Storrie.

 

I hate to give Storrie the benefit of the doubt but if the Chief Exec of a well known company resigns it gets publicity. People want to know why. You can't just disappear quietly.

 

His boss was the son of a gun runner with very unsavoury friends. You can't just walk out saying what a nasty crook the man is (otherwise there's every danger you would disappear quietly - into a river with concrete boots!). And this at a time when the Phew loved Sacha too, so he wouldn't have got much support.

Edited 8 February, 2012 by Winchester Red

[View From The Top]

The Monday is the day of the winding-up hearing.

 

Ah, fair point.

[Gemmel]

Harry Redknapp should succeed Fabio Capello as the next England manager now he has been cleared of tax evasion, says former coach Sven-Goran Eriksson.

Capello, 65, will step down as England boss after Euro 2012 in June.

"I think Redknapp will be a very, very good choice. He's English; he knows his football," Eriksson told BBC Sport.

"[Redknapp] is doing a great job with Tottenham and has done a great job with every team he's had in the past, so I guess it will be him."

 

 

 

I can't post the link because the photo has rupert lowe in it

Edited 8 February, 2012 by Gemmel

[bridge too far]

Nice bit on BBC News just now with reporter saying that even though Redknapp has been found not guilty, there still remains a suspicion of shady dealings within football with commissions etc. etc. Nice link too to the problems at PFC.

 

Not accusations - just suggestions

[sussexsaint]

What happens at the hearing for a winding up petition , does anyone know?

 

If nothing happens between now and the 20th , no new money, no money to pay the HMRC etc is it just a formality or is it held like a trial with both sides giving their evidence. Surely if there is no money in the pot it cannot be contested no?

[Gemmel]

What happens at the hearing for a winding up petition , does anyone know?

 

If nothing happens between now and the 20th , no new money, no money to pay the HMRC etc is it just a formality or is it held like a trial with both sides giving their evidence. Surely if there is no money in the pot it cannot be contested no?

 

I can't see them going into the 20th without the protection of admin. (I know that people have said they can't, but andriod has raised it as a possibility, so I imagine he will find a way) but if they did, then the argument from pompey, would almost certainly be based around the parachute payments and the fact that this is a cash flow issue and not insolvency.

 

It looks like they have sorted out their financial mess anyway. At eighty quid a pop, they need just 150,000 from the southesea common lot, to find a sister, brother, auntie or uncle that is single and fancies getting hitched.

http://www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/LatestNews/home/Propose-On-The-Pitch-3098.aspx

[Channon's Sideburns]

What happens at the hearing for a winding up petition , does anyone know?

 

If nothing happens between now and the 20th , no new money, no money to pay the HMRC etc is it just a formality or is it held like a trial with both sides giving their evidence. Surely if there is no money in the pot it cannot be contested no?

 

The violins come out. Again.

[pedg]

I do love google context sensitive adverts...

 

 

 

Edited 8 February, 2012 by pedg

[yoda]

I can't see them going into the 20th without the protection of admin. (I know that people have said they can't, but andriod has raised it as a possibility, so I imagine he will find a way) but if they did, then the argument from pompey, would almost certainly be based around the parachute payments and the fact that this is a cash flow issue and not insolvency.

 

It looks like they have sorted out their financial mess anyway. At eighty quid a pop, they need just 150,000 from the southesea common lot, to find a sister, brother, auntie or uncle that is single and fancies getting hitched.

http://www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/LatestNews/home/Propose-On-The-Pitch-3098.aspx

 

"Two-course hot fork buffet" - could they make it sound any cheaper?

[70's Mike]

I can't see them going into the 20th without the protection of admin. (I know that people have said they can't, but andriod has raised it as a possibility, so I imagine he will find a way) but if they did, then the argument from pompey, would almost certainly be based around the parachute payments and the fact that this is a cash flow issue and not insolvency.

 

It looks like they have sorted out their financial mess anyway. At eighty quid a pop, they need just 150,000 from the southesea common lot, to find a sister, brother, auntie or uncle that is single and fancies getting hitched.

http://www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/LatestNews/home/Propose-On-The-Pitch-3098.aspx

 

they will not worry about being single

[BigShadow]

No it's not because it's wrong for one simple reason. The so called 'three musketeers' weren't the three who did the damage. It was the lone musketeer and his old man who came in after them that got us into trouble.

 

The blame for where Pompey are now lies with Gaydamak, and latterly Chainrai in believing he's going to get all his money back. He won't, but he knows he'll get more back by selling the club at a lower price that someone is prepared to pay, than getting a pittance for FP if it all goes tits up on the 20th....

 

You're right......and wrong. Agreed, there is nothing wrong with paying vast sums to build a squad WHILST the money is being supplied by a generous benefactor. However, there needs to be a plan B if said benefactor runs out of cash or has a change of heart. In terms of a football club, that means the ability to sell players to reduce liabilities in leaner times. The major problem stems from the fact the Pompey simply aren't a particularly attractive employment option for half-decent players. Therefore, to attract these players they had to offer contracts way in excess of what those players would get elsewhere. All fine and well while the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow was open for business. However, it is these ridiculous contracts that have prevented Pompey from restructuring when times got tough. Players don't want to go elsewhere because there is simply nowhere to go that will even match their Pompey contracts.

 

To that end Storrie, Gady, and Mandy have all played a part in the problems PFC face today. I exclude Redknapp, Avram, Clotteril from blame because as managers they are not paid to worry about the clubs finances. (I would imagine that Redknapp's involvement in contract negotiations was something like 'Peter, I don't farking care how much he wants, just get it sorted and have him at training on Monday'). The withdrawal of the loan from the South African bank and the inability to sell high-earners led to them being a less than attractive proposition, even in administration.

 

If this was the only reason they were in trouble - I might have the teensiest bit of sympathy for them - BUT, they have continued down this path despite their problems. So to the names sharing the blame - add Lumpitt. He has allowed this to continue under the supposed watch of the FL. The Norris saga last summer - hanging on months for the Pompey contract despite interest from PL clubs, and if you believe Paul Jewell, all because Pompey offered him an unbelievable contract. Instead of minimising the wage bill, Lumpitt has sanctioned a number of deals on the basis that outgoings are reduced. So sell a player earning £25k/wk and sign another one earning £22k/wk, and somehow we are supposed to believe they are making sacrifices. Never mind that they still can't afford the wagebill. So once again, having failed to learn from last time, they put themselves at the mercy of a rich benefactor - Antonov. Once again, when the pot dries up, they have a bunch of new players on ridiculous contracts that means they can't shift them in the transfer window. History repeats and once again PFC face the WUP.

 

As has been said many times on here it is the 'failure to adhere to the rules of football and business', 'the constant flicking of the V's','the consistent cheating other clubs by employing a squad they cannot afford' but most importantly, the failure to learn from the lessons of the recent past - This more than anything is why I have no sympathy for PFC - and Storrie and Lumpitt are just as guilty as Mandy, Gady and Antonov in getting them to where they are now. TOAST!!

[Sour Mash]

"Two-course hot fork buffet" - could they make it sound any cheaper?

I must admit that article even got me chuckling, how utterly s**t does that sound?

[stevegrant]

For what it's worth, I was told by a friend who is a journo, that there is plenty of unsubstantiated material about Redknapp, including Panorma footage that his lawyers sucsessfully stopped the BBC airing. I doubt if any of it will see the light of day now, but surely the FA are aware of it all, it just depends whether they want to turn a blind eye.

If you remember back to that Panorama programme (strangely, neither Redknapp, Kevin Bond or Sam Allardyce ever did follow up their threats to take legal action), they had set up a meeting in a hotel bedroom to hand over a bung to a PL manager, before Mike Newell opened his big mouth and the meeting was hastily cancelled by said manager... guess who that manager (allegedly) was?

[Chin Strain]

Hi Weston....I'll give it a go!

 

For me its not that I hate him as a person... afterall I dont know him, so make a judgement on that. However, the way he maipulates the media, (his 'i'm just stupid guv, cant write or whatever' court room diatribe was enough to make me puke...the fact that there are people out tehre stupid enough to be taken in by it is another matter), is cringeworthy - he is good copy which is why the media flatter him, knowing he is as tehy say up here a good 'rentagub'...

 

But for me its the fact that he represents so much that is wrong with the game right now...yet does not even have the balls to acknowldge it... (maybe he lacks the self awareness or is really that stupid) - buy that I mean: He has indeed benefitted from the transfer system, albeit within teh legal allowances - yet is it ethicakl or moral and what does it say about the game. 'Broken Dreams' (sorry 'arrow' was that film) revealed the extent of the shear volume of transfers in and out of clubs he has been at, transfers where for the most part the players never made a 1st team appearance - including the classic Swedish player for whom WHU paid over 3 million for, yet the selling club got around 800k - and the rest where did it go? It may be legal, but is right? - the relationships he has with agents etc... is that right?

 

Then he has the barefaced cheek to suggest in the media that Spurs dont do what they do at the top clubs with huge spending - well..how does taht sit with the relative spending at West Ham or Porstmouth or even Spurs - now Spurs may not be in the 30mil+ for one player league, but it seems for 'arry its mpore about numbers of players in and out. Also he says that for him its about coaching and spending - well why teh Feck did he moan then when he came to us and had the transfer purse shut? That squad was NOT in the relagtion zone when he took over with 20 games to go and was easily not the worst - it should have been good enough to survive yet he just bad mouthed them in media 'not good enough' - when confidence and form was the problem, not the quality - and yet the majority of teh media and neutral fans still want him for the England job?

 

Seriously, Yes Spurs are doing good, but look at the resurces and the fact that Bale has come on etc... he forgets that its not jsut avout buying players that are worth 40mil, but being able to hold on to them - but as we saw he likes to get in first and tell the media he will be off if his best players are sold...

 

Just beacuse we have a policy in this country of allowing managers to benefit financially from transfers, profits or otherwise, does mean they should do it if they want to be taken seriously... and that whinging 'cant text' nonsense...really was cringeworthy and enbarrassing...

 

Yep, all of this and then some

[carljack]

Harry can't read, can't write,can't text and doesn't email.No paper trail no cyber footprint = no evidence.This has to be the way forward,the illiterate inbred cockney c@@t is the new untouchable,teflon coated.Tonight bonfires of paperwork will light the night sky chief executives of FTSE 100 companies will terminate the contracts of their entire financial staff and replace them with retards.Twitchy has just made legal history.

 

How do you plead Retarded your Honour.FFS

[andysstuff]

Capello quits, and harry not guilty. Coincidence?

[Graffito]

Good day for bollock chops. Acquitted then Capello resigns.

[Gemmel]

It's like a bad dream, when you know the ending

[JackFrost]

Capello's quit,

 

I think alpine called it in another thread. It's gonna be 'arry

[Saints foreva]

http://fansonline.net/portsmouth/mb/view.php?id=407077

 

I don't see how those retards can take digs at our attendances, how many did they get against Barnet earlier in the season?

[Gemmel]

This one’s for the real bed wetters on here, but who else is missing from this sordid little list of players (Help with some of Duncans prep and planning ahead of the book, commissioned to start on 21/02/12). I’m sure I’m missing loads…….

Milan Mandric, Harry Redknapp, Peter Storrie, Sacha Gaydamak, Arcadia Gaydamak, Tanya Robins, Paul Hart, Al Fahim,. Ali Al Faraj, Balram Chanarai, Levi Kushnir, Daniel Azougy, Avram Grant, Mark?? (First lawyer guy) , Andrew Anroid, David Lumpitt, Peter kubik, Steve Clotterill, Vladimir Antonov, Roman Dubov, Michael Appleton, Penny Morant, David Cameron, Mike Handcock,, HMRC, Rosie47, Lithuanian pensioners, Peter Cala, Bad Company.

Known Missing

QC’s, Prosecutors and judge from first trial

The young northern lad whose dad was bankrupt who wanted to buy them last time

The secret but skint millionaire who wanted to buy them last time

[ooh it's a corner]

I don't think I have ever been so depressed with this country, ever.

 

We let out suspected terrorists because we are not respecting their human rights (what about the rights of the other 60m citizens of this parish).

We pay lottery millionaires benefits.

We let off tax dodgers, because they've paid lots of tax already, so why would they bother trying to avoid to pay some more.

We pay enormous bonuses to civil servants.

 

If Redknapp becomes England manager, methinks my time will come to head for sunnier climes....anybody know what the British Virgin Islands is like?

[biondani]

anybody know what the British Virgin Islands is like?

 

I hear there are plenty of multi millionaires hiding there so that Pompey can't find them with their begging bowls.

 

Ian

[Saint_John]

daily mail have done a nice timeline

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2097761/Harry-Redknapp-NOT-GUILTY-taking-189k-bungs-tax-evasion-trial.html

 

 

Police pursued a complex paper trail after Harry Redknapp told a corruption inquiry of his Monaco dealings with Milan Mandaric.

 

2001

 

June 25, 2001 - Redknapp joins Portsmouth as Director of Football. His contract includes commission on net transfer profits of 10%.

July 3, 2001 - Redknapp signs Peter Crouch from Queens Park Rangers.

 

2002

 

March 18 - Redknapp agrees new deal to become manager at Portsmouth following the departure of Graham Rix, with reduced commission on transfer profits of 5%.

March 27 - Peter Crouch, signed by Redknapp nine months earlier for £1.25m, joins Aston Villa for £4.5m, a profit of £3.25m, worth £115,473 at 5% or £230,946 at 10%.

April 22 - Redknapp is paid a bonus through Portsmouth's payroll of £115,473. Tax and National Insurance are deducted at source via the PAYE system.

April 26 - Redknapp flies to Monaco to open Rosie 47 bank account.

May 27 - Redknapp and Milan Mandaric sign backdates contract to include the 5% clause dated to March 19.

May 28 - Mandaric pays 145,000 US dollars into Rosie 47 account. Sum is credited on June 4.

 

2003

 

January 4 - Redknapp faxed David Cusdin, Monaco HSBC bank manager, requesting 100,000 US dollar transfer to Mandaric's US account with First Star.

February - Details of a £300,000 bonus received by Redknapp from West Ham United upon the sale of Rio Ferdinand appear in newspaper reports.

 

2004

 

January 15 - HMRC tax authorities write to Redknapp and his accountants to announce a civil investigation into Redknapp's payment for Ferdinand transfer.

April 29 - Rosie 47 account receives a payment of 150,000 dollars from the Milan Mandaric Revocable Trust

2006

October 19 - Tax authorities close probe into Redknapp's tax affairs by signing certificate of full disclosure.

November 6 - Redknapp reveals details of the Rosie 47 account as he is quizzed by the Quest investigation into Premier League bungs.

November 20 - Accountant Nigel Layton, of Quest, writes to Redknapp requesting voluntary disclosure of all offshore and onshore accounts between 2004 and 2006.

November 24 - Mandaric signs letter to Mr Layton surrounding £100,000 investment in Monaco account.

November 27 - Portsmouth chief executive Peter Storrie faxes Redknapp's solicitors the letter Mandaric sent to Quest.

 

2007

 

November 27 - Mandaric and Redknapp arrested by City of London Police.

 

2008

 

January 11 - Redknapp gives written instruction for the Rosie 47 account closure and for funds to be transferred to his London HSBC account.

January 31 - Malcolm Webber, Redknapp's accountant, writes to HMRC declaring untaxed interest on Monaco account. He attaches £4,415 cheque from Redknapp.

February 11 - Rosie 47 account closed. 207,000 US dollars credited to Redknapp's UK HSBC account.

October 15 - Redknapp's accountants write to HMRC "indicating possibility" that tax was not accounted for in respect of two payments - 145,000 US dollars in June 2002 and 150,000 US dollars in May 2004.

 

2009

 

February 26 - News of the World reporter Rob Beasley calls Mandaric on phone after receiving a tip off about the police investigation.

February 28 - Mr Beasley calls Redknapp on the eve of his new club, Tottenham Hotspur taking on Manchester United.

May 6 - City of London police obtain production order to take tape recordings and notes made by Mr Beasley.

June - Redknapp and Mandaric both interviewed by police.

July 13 - Mandaric's solicitor emails Redknapp's lawyer to ask for repayment of 145,000 US dollars.

October 4 - News of the World publishes revelations about the investigation.

October 5 - Police interview Redknapp again.

 

2010

 

January - Redknapp and Mandaric are charged with tax evasion.

 

2012

 

January 23 - The pair go on trial at Southwark Crown Court accused of two counts of cheating the public revenue

February 8 - Both are acquitted

 

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2097761/Harry-Redknapp-NOT-GUILTY-taking-189k-bungs-tax-evasion-trial.html#ixzz1lnMVIrf8

 

If you add in the dates for the Police raid where they cocked up the Search Warrant

http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/markup.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2008/1177.html

 

29 Nov 2007 Search warrant of arry's place in Sandbanks in which a "Lap top computer and some bank statements" were removed (point 20)

 

02 May 2008 "declare that the warrant was issued unlawfully and quash the warrant.", therefore the above items could not be used in court.

 

It would have been nice to know if there was anything on that lap top that the Police/HMRC had for 6 months.

Of course it couldn't have been any of arry's stuff because he told the court he didn't know how to use a computer or send an email.

[dubai_phil]

We have to respect the jury's decision whether you like it or not, I dont want to live in a Country where we have trials without a jury. Redknapp and MM paid for the best defence money can buy and remember they dont have to prove their innocence, it's up to the pros to prove their guilt, an competely different thing. Had the FA charged them, then the burden of proof would have been lower, but once the police were involved that particular avenue was gone.

 

The FA must be hoping and preying that Redknapp rules himself out of the job or Levy does it for them.They are still taking stick for not giving the job to Cloughie 35 years ago, and yet there were sound ethical reasons for doing so. Dont forget the whiff of bungs & drink hung over him for years (he would have been charged if not for ill health), he was not the man for the jobh, however good a Manager he was. Same with Venables and now the same with Redknapp. I'm sure the FA are fully aware of his "type" but have no concrete evidence to offically rule him out. Their best hope is that Capello walks soon and a caretaker is placed in charge who has a good Euro's and therefore keeps the job. There is no way the FA want Redknapp but whether they have the backbone to do what they did with Cloughie and ignore the clamour from the fans and media is another thing. Having watched Capello take them for mugs, I feel they will let themselves be pressurised into giving Redknapp the job.

 

For what it's worth, I was told by a friend who is a journo, that there is plenty of unsubstantiated material about Redknapp, including Panorma footage that his lawyers sucsessfully stopped the BBC airing. I doubt if any of it will see the light of day now, but surely the FA are aware of it all, it just depends whether they want to turn a blind eye.

 

Let's just say that your analysis on that may not be totally accurate.

 

While it may be the case "at this moment in time" and while nobody is about to accuse or make allegations, the Bloodhounds have certainly been set to work. What may have been unsubstantiated rumours before the trial are now having people get onto airplanes to fly around to investigate stories in a lot more detail.

 

And yes this comes from a source who I see professionally 3 or 4 times a year , and whos' colleague I saw last night while I was stopping Frankie Dettori getting trampled to death by a zillion aggressive kids, and yes we are having a beer over the weekend and yes they have both read a large percentage of this thread since December..

 

There is nothing to stop the FA appointing 'arry in the public domain - guys - remember FA & FL approved poopeys last few owners

[sidthesquid]

This one’s for the real bed wetters on here, but who else is missing from this sordid little list of players (Help with some of Duncans prep and planning ahead of the book, commissioned to start on 21/02/12). I’m sure I’m missing loads…….

Milan Mandric, Harry Redknapp, Peter Storrie, Sacha Gaydamak, Arcadia Gaydamak, Tanya Robins, Paul Hart, Al Fahim,. Ali Al Faraj, Balram Chanarai, Levi Kushnir, Daniel Azougy, Avram Grant, Mark?? (First lawyer guy) , Andrew Anroid, David Lumpitt, Peter kubik, Steve Clotterill, Vladimir Antonov, Roman Dubov, Michael Appleton, Penny Morant, David Cameron, Mike Handcock,, HMRC, Rosie47, Lithuanian pensioners, Peter Cala, Bad Company.

Known Missing

QC’s, Prosecutors and judge from first trial

The young northern lad whose dad was bankrupt who wanted to buy them last time

The secret but skint millionaire who wanted to buy them last time

 

Mark Jacobs - I wonder what stone he has crawled back under.

I do feel that the legend that is Tal Ben Haim merits a chapter on his own, too.

[dubai_phil]

This one’s for the real bed wetters on here, but who else is missing from this sordid little list of players (Help with some of Duncans prep and planning ahead of the book, commissioned to start on 21/02/12). I’m sure I’m missing loads…….

 

 

Milan Mandric, Harry Redknapp, Peter Storrie, Sacha Gaydamak, Arcadia Gaydamak, Tanya Robins, Paul Hart, Al Fahim,. Ali Al Faraj, Balram Chanarai, Levi Kushnir, Daniel Azougy, Avram Grant, Mark?? (First lawyer guy) , Andrew Anroid, David Lumpitt, Peter kubik, Steve Clotterill, Vladimir Antonov, Roman Dubov, Michael Appleton, Penny Morant, David Cameron, Mike Handcock,, HMRC, Rosie47, Lithuanian pensioners, Peter Cala, Bad Company.

 

Known Missing

 

QC’s, Prosecutors and judge from first trial

 

The young northern lad whose dad was bankrupt who wanted to buy them last time

The secret but skint millionaire who wanted to buy them last time

 

Pini Zahavi is missing from that list