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but he's right, this was about 20K in tax. In France they wouldn't even bother with courts for that sort of sum, just issue a belated taxation notice and take it out of your bank account and let you prove they were wrong to do so if you could.

 

They had a voluntary purge on offshore accounts here last year, they presented you with their case,gave you a month or so to think about it and then let you pay with no questions asked,no penalties ,no nothing. Netted them 6 billion euros and not one court case to get it.

 

I agree, make them do the work to prove innocence. Anyway we know Harry is a giver not a taker and the public purse would have benefitted.

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Sour Mash - you were slagging people off on here and demanding the thread closed a few weeks back as there was no more mileage in the pompey story, for a moment we thought Ho had found himself a 4th user name.

 

Then you rejoined us nutjobs and bed-wetters, no doubt enjoying the entertainment when pompey were firmly back in the sh1t, now you come back on to say it isn't funny...

Please explain? :)

 

Most people who don't like a thread just don't bother to visit it, so yes, in answer to your question, you are in the minority.

 

He's right though, how can anyone find any of this b0llocks funny? it is a f*cking farce that has shown up our legal system to be useless, i haven't once laughed at the skates demise, because so far they haven't been punished you just get morons on here talking about bl00dy toasters while the skates carry on picking points (except our nearest rivals that is , just us of course as we couldn't beat them.

Get them down to lower than we've been , bottom of league one on minus 10 and then and only then will there start being some justice, nothing to laugh about though.

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I would like to know why HR is hated so much as a person

 

Is it that his success at Bournemouth nearly broke them?

 

Is it his relative success at West Ham nearly broke them?

 

Is it because his success at Portsmouth the first time

 

Is it his indifference with Saints because he was not allowed to break us and was screwed by Lowe?

 

Is it the success he had second time with Portsmouth which broke them?

 

Is it the fantastic success he is having at Spurs?

 

Is it because of his engaging manner with the Sports Press and Media?

 

Brown papers bags wre always associated with 'Arry but it seems it was all sell on bonuses. Not HR fault he made a mint from the same. Chairman after Chairman (apart from Lowe) let him do it.

 

Yes I have read Broken Arrow. Good Chapter on HR but no real evididence of corruption or he would have been investigated and charged.

 

'Arry the barrow boy plied his trade not in the local markets, but in the world transfer market and he is one of the best at making money from it.

 

He has been found innocent by 12 good and true. I am prepared to accept that. I also think with his clearance today he will be the best person to get the best out of England as their Manager. If he cannot do it no one can.

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Noooooooooo!!! But they were nailed on guilty weren't they? EVERYONE knows they're guilty. Oh, er, except the 12 men and women on the jury that is! Well guess what, they were NOT guilty.

 

Oh dear me, I haven't had many laughs in the last few weeks, but after reading dozens and dozens of gleeful hate posts on here about how 'Arry and Mandy shouldn't bend over for a dropped bar of soap, fnar fnar, the above quote is a genuine PMSL moment :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

Like I've said all along, relax, we're going to be just fine :)

 

 

Whatever the verdict today you have got to admit that your current plight has got to be totally due to the antics of the 3 musketeers, Harry, Milan and Storrie-teller. They used your club to make sheds loads of dosh, wheeled and dealed to boost personal income (but not the clubs), racking up impossible debts and then they all run for the hills when plod and HMRC start asking questions. Mandaric sold you to a gun runner, Harry left you (twice) with players on massive contracts and Storrie oversaw and encouraged the shambles that has now directly led you to be facing oblivion. And you are laughing at us? - Christ mate if I was you I would be waiting outside the court house today with a 12 bore shotgun. These chancers - whose innocence you are celebrating - have shafted P****y fans so far up their own tail pipes that most of their brains have been squeezed out of their ears.

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I think maybe my attitude to Redknapp is softening somewhat given the sheer amount of money he sucked out of the Skates over the years. Let's face it, he got considerably ricker at their expense. He's living it up in Sandbanks, they're facing another WUP. I'm struggling to see what he's done wrong. :lol:

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Storrie on Radio 4 now.

 

Pleaded innoocence from day 1

I was found not guilty in under 2 hours

Fantastic news for Harry and Milan, affected all of us and our families

In the clear now, we can get back to our lives

Redknapp undoubtedly the right man for the England job, he's the fans choice throughout the country, best person for the job if it comes up.

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Is it his indifference with Saints because he was not allowed to break us and was screwed by Lowe?

You genuinely believe that? :uhoh: :lol:

 

Oh noes, that nasty man Rupert wouldn't let poor Harry spunk millions of pounds that we didn't have, and insisted that we play a system which rendered the midfield entirely redundant, hence why the one half-decent player we did look to sign (Andy Reid) told us to **** off when we were given permission to discuss terms with him.

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The main things that I conclude from looking at the reaction to the Redknapp news via Twitter (I'm not a "user", just went on there briefly) is this:

 

1. The vast majority of people on Twitter really are stupid.

2. A surprisingly high proportion of people seem to like Redknapp (explained by 1. above).

3. A surprisingly high proportion of people want him to become England manager (explained by 1. above).

 

4. There is a lot of animosity toward 'the establishment' e.g. HMRC, especially when they are against 'the common man' e.g. Harry.

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No mate, not at all. But the case cost at least 8 million pounds and the Jury dismissed the case in very little time.

 

Because the HMRC case just didn't exist.Mr A gives Mr B money in a Monaco bank account so it must be taxable no matter what it's for. They'd make more money if they started trying to tax prostitutes on their earnings.Mr A gives Ms C money in cash so it must be because he fancies her and wants her to buy herself a diamond necklace....yeah right.

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Whatever the verdict today you have got to admit that your current plight has got to be totally due to the antics of the 3 musketeers, Harry, Milan and Storrie-teller. They used your club to make sheds loads of dosh, wheeled and dealed to boost personal income (but not the clubs), racking up impossible debts and then they all run for the hills when plod and HMRC start asking questions. Mandaric sold you to a gun runner, Harry left you (twice) with players on massive contracts and Storrie oversaw and encouraged the shambles that has now directly led you to be facing oblivion. And you are laughing at us? - Christ mate if I was you I would be waiting outside the court house today with a 12 bore shotgun. These chancers - whose innocence you are celebrating - have shafted P****y fans so far up their own tail pipes that most of their brains have been squeezed out of their ears.

Now ain't that the truth!!!!!!!!

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oh well,onto the next court case.

fingers crossed HMRC dont cock up on the 20th.

 

They are bound to get one right, the law of averages. As to all the skates who come on here gloating everytime there is the slightest good news that favours them, please note, we can be wrong a hundred times, but only have to be right once, and you are history. So bye bye, as I believe that time is now!

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Noooooooooo!!! But they were nailed on guilty weren't they? EVERYONE knows they're guilty. Oh, er, except the 12 men and women on the jury that is! Well guess what, they were NOT guilty.

 

Oh dear me, I haven't had many laughs in the last few weeks, but after reading dozens and dozens of gleeful hate posts on here about how 'Arry and Mandy shouldn't bend over for a dropped bar of soap, fnar fnar, the above quote is a genuine PMSL moment :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

Like I've said all along, relax, we're going to be just fine :)

 

haha you really are a muppet. You make Steve look intelligent

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oh well,onto the next court case.

fingers crossed HMRC dont cock up on the 20th.

 

Not the same though is it. This is about unpaid taxes and contributions, don't think there's any dispute about the validity of them.

The Harry and Milan case was about tax evasion that they just couldn't prove.If the case had been brought in Scotland they may have obtained a "Not Proven" verdict which is not the same as not guilty.No Evidence=Reasonable Doubt=Not Guilty according to the English system.

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Whatever the verdict today you have got to admit that your current plight has got to be totally due to the antics of the 3 musketeers, Harry, Milan and Storrie-teller. SNIP These chancers - whose innocence you are celebrating - have shafted P****y fans so far up their own tail pipes that most of their brains have been squeezed out of their ears.

 

My theory is extreme masochism or Stockholm syndrome, or perhaps they just like being shafted..

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oh well,onto the next court case.

fingers crossed HMRC dont cock up on the 20th.

 

Even if they don't there is no way the judge will approve a WUO. It simply aint going to happen. Only if the media turn against them has it got a chance of happening.

 

They'll either go in admin shortly before or the same thing will happen that happened last time, they'll get some stay of execution and go into admin again, until Chainrai finds some international criminal who has dirty money that needs getting rid of/fantasist who doesn't mind losing a couple of hundred million.

 

Then in a 2-3 years the process will repeat itself again. Starting every other season with a points penalty will hold them back a bit but one day a long way away they'll eventually play the kids and gradually get on a sound footing again in today's equivalent of League 1/League 2

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Noooooooooo!!! But they were nailed on guilty weren't they? EVERYONE knows they're guilty. Oh, er, except the 12 men and women on the jury that is! Well guess what, they were NOT guilty.

 

Oh dear me, I haven't had many laughs in the last few weeks, but after reading dozens and dozens of gleeful hate posts on here about how 'Arry and Mandy shouldn't bend over for a dropped bar of soap, fnar fnar, the above quote is a genuine PMSL moment :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

Like I've said all along, relax, we're going to be just fine :)

 

I'll remind you of that sentiment when you've gone out of existence. You seem to be increasingly a lone voice amongst the Skates, as even some of them are now beginning to realise that the situation looks to be quite grim. You've had fake sheiks, penniless arabs, gun runners, Russian mafia, loan sharks, as owners in the recent past. So what are you wishing for during the next few weeks?

The Fairy Godmother to come onstage and wave her wand? For Skate fans to come out of the shower (those that wash) and realise that it was all a bad dream?

Have you heard the expression "he who laughs last, laughs longest"? The fat lady is just warming up her voice as we speak.

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To give the jury some credit, they have to be certain of guilt, and the fact that they had to have an overnight delay suggests it wasn't a straightforward verdict, and some of them (possibly even a majority) considered there was guilt but not beyond reasonable doubt.

 

I followed the case on here but to give a true opinion I'd need to read a transcript. I never heard any questions such as:

"Mr Redknapp, as an admittedly simple soul, why did you fly to Monaco, of all places, to open an account? As you say... such a small sum... What reasons did you have for Monaco? Did your accountant advise this? [Checkable with the accountant..]. Didn't you have perfectly good accounts [with the same bank!] in the UK? Wouldn't it be easier to run a UK account where you even had a personal banker? [Remember he was not aware of the Monaco account.]

 

Ah, it was for investment. What movements were there from this account of an investment nature? [Also verifiable.] etc etc..

 

If Redknapp should get the England job - and I don't think he will - I won't bother watching them anymore.

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Even if they don't there is no way the judge will approve a WUO. It simply aint going to happen. Only if the media turn against them has it got a chance of happening.

 

They'll either go in admin shortly before or the same thing will happen that happened last time, they'll get some stay of execution and go into admin again, until Chainrai finds some international criminal who has dirty money that needs getting rid of/fantasist who doesn't mind losing a couple of hundred million.

 

Then in a 2-3 years the process will repeat itself again. Starting every other season with a points penalty will hold them back a bit but one day a long way away they'll eventually play the kids and gradually get on a sound footing again in today's equivalent of League 1/League 2

 

Into admin' on the 19th I reckon.

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Even if they don't get wound up immediately they are going to find running a business extremely difficult. Expect to see them training on Farlington sports ground (not too bad as pompey municipal pitches go), producing one page team sheets after Bishops printers refuse them credit, stewards going on strike (not being football creditors), wish I still had friends at SSE so they request a security deposit from them for the leccy, all supplies being COD, police request payment in advance for match day security, coach travel paid in advance, external physios getting cash before treatment, the list goes on. Hopefully teams won't loan them players as they can't afford the insurance...

 

Not looking bright, is it?

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Into admin' on the 19th I reckon.

 

Funded by?

 

And if the answer to that is Chinny, then why isn't he coughing up the dough now to pay the wages and tax bill?

 

If he thinks admin will mean the tax bill is written off / down he's being ill advised as HMRC are currently owed the same as the other other creditors - players and staff - so they will have a casting vote on a CVA....

 

They're in a whole world of ****e. I'd love to see how they get out of it this time, and fair play to the person who manages it!!

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There's no point in giving HMRC's brief gyp, he knows the law and the antics of the courtroom far better than anyone here ever will.

 

Having said that, I bet Redknapp's brief wouldn't scratch his arse for the rates offered for panel cousel.

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I would like to know why HR is hated so much as a person

 

Is it that his success at Bournemouth nearly broke them?

 

Is it his relative success at West Ham nearly broke them?

 

Is it because his success at Portsmouth the first time

 

Is it his indifference with Saints because he was not allowed to break us and was screwed by Lowe?

 

Is it the success he had second time with Portsmouth which broke them?

 

Is it the fantastic success he is having at Spurs?

 

Is it because of his engaging manner with the Sports Press and Media?

 

Brown papers bags wre always associated with 'Arry but it seems it was all sell on bonuses. Not HR fault he made a mint from the same. Chairman after Chairman (apart from Lowe) let him do it.

 

Yes I have read Broken Arrow. Good Chapter on HR but no real evididence of corruption or he would have been investigated and charged.

 

'Arry the barrow boy plied his trade not in the local markets, but in the world transfer market and he is one of the best at making money from it.

 

He has been found innocent by 12 good and true. I am prepared to accept that. I also think with his clearance today he will be the best person to get the best out of England as their Manager. If he cannot do it no one can.

 

 

Hi Weston....I'll give it a go!

 

For me its not that I hate him as a person... afterall I dont know him, so make a judgement on that. However, the way he maipulates the media, (his 'i'm just stupid guv, cant write or whatever' court room diatribe was enough to make me puke...the fact that there are people out tehre stupid enough to be taken in by it is another matter), is cringeworthy - he is good copy which is why the media flatter him, knowing he is as tehy say up here a good 'rentagub'...

 

But for me its the fact that he represents so much that is wrong with the game right now...yet does not even have the balls to acknowldge it... (maybe he lacks the self awareness or is really that stupid) - buy that I mean: He has indeed benefitted from the transfer system, albeit within teh legal allowances - yet is it ethicakl or moral and what does it say about the game. 'Broken Dreams' (sorry 'arrow' was that film) revealed the extent of the shear volume of transfers in and out of clubs he has been at, transfers where for the most part the players never made a 1st team appearance - including the classic Swedish player for whom WHU paid over 3 million for, yet the selling club got around 800k - and the rest where did it go? It may be legal, but is right? - the relationships he has with agents etc... is that right?

 

Then he has the barefaced cheek to suggest in the media that Spurs dont do what they do at the top clubs with huge spending - well..how does taht sit with the relative spending at West Ham or Porstmouth or even Spurs - now Spurs may not be in the 30mil+ for one player league, but it seems for 'arry its mpore about numbers of players in and out. Also he says that for him its about coaching and spending - well why teh Feck did he moan then when he came to us and had the transfer purse shut? That squad was NOT in the relagtion zone when he took over with 20 games to go and was easily not the worst - it should have been good enough to survive yet he just bad mouthed them in media 'not good enough' - when confidence and form was the problem, not the quality - and yet the majority of teh media and neutral fans still want him for the England job?

 

Seriously, Yes Spurs are doing good, but look at the resurces and the fact that Bale has come on etc... he forgets that its not jsut avout buying players that are worth 40mil, but being able to hold on to them - but as we saw he likes to get in first and tell the media he will be off if his best players are sold...

 

Just beacuse we have a policy in this country of allowing managers to benefit financially from transfers, profits or otherwise, does mean they should do it if they want to be taken seriously... and that whinging 'cant text' nonsense...really was cringeworthy and enbarrassing...

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I would like to know why HR is hated so much as a person

 

Is it that his success at Bournemouth nearly broke them?

 

Is it his relative success at West Ham nearly broke them?

 

Is it because his success at Portsmouth the first time

 

Is it his indifference with Saints because he was not allowed to break us and was screwed by Lowe?

 

Is it the success he had second time with Portsmouth which broke them?

 

Is it the fantastic success he is having at Spurs?

 

Is it because of his engaging manner with the Sports Press and Media?

 

Brown papers bags wre always associated with 'Arry but it seems it was all sell on bonuses. Not HR fault he made a mint from the same. Chairman after Chairman (apart from Lowe) let him do it.

 

Yes I have read Broken Arrow. Good Chapter on HR but no real evididence of corruption or he would have been investigated and charged.

 

'Arry the barrow boy plied his trade not in the local markets, but in the world transfer market and he is one of the best at making money from it.

 

He has been found innocent by 12 good and true. I am prepared to accept that. I also think with his clearance today he will be the best person to get the best out of England as their Manager. If he cannot do it no one can.

 

I happen to think Redknapp would be an excellent England manager. Despite all the banter on here I would welcome his appointment. Indeed, I think we would stand a better chance of success at Euro2012 with Harry at the helm that we would with Capello.

 

The best England manager in recent times was Venables (IMHO). I put Redknapp in the same category of manager. A (slightly) tainted past but someone who could galvanise the England team at this juncture.

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Whatever the verdict today you have got to admit that your current plight has got to be totally due to the antics of the 3 musketeers, Harry, Milan and Storrie-teller. They used your club to make sheds loads of dosh, wheeled and dealed to boost personal income (but not the clubs), racking up impossible debts and then they all run for the hills when plod and HMRC start asking questions. Mandaric sold you to a gun runner, Harry left you (twice) with players on massive contracts and Storrie oversaw and encouraged the shambles that has now directly led you to be facing oblivion. And you are laughing at us? - Christ mate if I was you I would be waiting outside the court house today with a 12 bore shotgun. These chancers - whose innocence you are celebrating - have shafted P****y fans so far up their own tail pipes that most of their brains have been squeezed out of their ears.

 

^This

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It's not just the Redknap case, there have been so many court case in the last few years that it now seem that the Jury trial system is redundant. Why don't they just get rid of the jury, ignore the evidence and instead just compare the billable rates of the Defence and Prosecution QC's. Whoever charges more is the winner.

 

Back to HR now, and if he gets the England job, I will switch to watching France or Spain. As it is, I already feel so disconnected from it that I watch it just to see the few players that are still grounded ( Jagleika, Cahill, Parker, Milner, Hart), the rest of them are so detached from reality that they think they are the best in the world, just because they are paid more than everyone else.

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Funded by?

 

And if the answer to that is Chinny, then why isn't he coughing up the dough now to pay the wages and tax bill?

 

If he thinks admin will mean the tax bill is written off / down he's being ill advised as HMRC are currently owed the same as the other other creditors - players and staff - so they will have a casting vote on a CVA....

 

They're in a whole world of ****e. I'd love to see how they get out of it this time, and fair play to the person who manages it!!

 

Valid points but I can't see them gambling on going into a hearing for the 2nd time hoping for the axe not to fall.

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Whatever the verdict today you have got to admit that your current plight has got to be totally due to the antics of the 3 musketeers, Harry, Milan and Storrie-teller. They used your club to make sheds loads of dosh, wheeled and dealed to boost personal income (but not the clubs), racking up impossible debts and then they all run for the hills when plod and HMRC start asking questions. Mandaric sold you to a gun runner, Harry left you (twice) with players on massive contracts and Storrie oversaw and encouraged the shambles that has now directly led you to be facing oblivion. And you are laughing at us? - Christ mate if I was you I would be waiting outside the court house today with a 12 bore shotgun. These chancers - whose innocence you are celebrating - have shafted P****y fans so far up their own tail pipes that most of their brains have been squeezed out of their ears.

 

Best post on here for a long while! Mind you most of the Blue Phew, even the supposedly intelligent ones, still do not get this.

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They are bound to get one right, the law of averages. As to all the skates who come on here gloating everytime there is the slightest good news that favours them, please note, we can be wrong a hundred times, but only have to be right once, and you are history. So bye bye, as I believe that time is now!

 

That's wishful thinking or you go to Aardvark's school of mathematics. HMRC can still screw this up although they have more ammunition this time.

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HR won't take the England job for one reason - no transfer fees to milk.

 

It's really only a part-time semi- retirement job though really isnt it? He couild earn more fees on top by 'advising' clubs on transfers etc from the position of England manager.

 

In fact when you bear in mind that aplayer will command a greater fee if they are picked for an England squad, and it is the England manager who therefore controls that possible increase in transfer fee ........

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That has always been my theory. Lowe may have been a stuck-up git but he would have had a pretty close control over finance and transfers.

I could never understand why he decided to stay after relegation. He obviously didn`t want to be there. Why didn`t he just say " I did my best. It didn`t work. Cheerio".

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HR won't take the England job for one reason - no transfer fees to milk.

 

It's a retirement job for him.. He'll leave spurs in their highest position in years and do the England gig for £6 Million a year for 4 years (assuming we perform to our normal standards of Qtr/Semi exit in the world cup) and then retire from football after the following Euros.

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Storrie on Radio 4 now.

 

Pleaded innoocence from day 1

I was found not guilty in under 2 hours

Fantastic news for Harry and Milan, affected all of us and our families

In the clear now, we can get back to our lives

Redknapp undoubtedly the right man for the England job, he's the fans choice throughout the country, best person for the job if it comes up.

 

 

Does this mean that the Pompey News will renew its campaign to get Harry knighted?

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To give the jury some credit, they have to be certain of guilt, and the fact that they had to have an overnight delay suggests it wasn't a straightforward verdict, and some of them (possibly even a majority) considered there was guilt but not beyond reasonable doubt.

 

I followed the case on here but to give a true opinion I'd need to read a transcript. I never heard any questions such as:

"Mr Redknapp, as an admittedly simple soul, why did you fly to Monaco, of all places, to open an account? As you say... such a small sum... What reasons did you have for Monaco? Did your accountant advise this? [Checkable with the accountant..]. Didn't you have perfectly good accounts [with the same bank!] in the UK? Wouldn't it be easier to run a UK account where you even had a personal banker? [Remember he was not aware of the Monaco account.]

 

Ah, it was for investment. What movements were there from this account of an investment nature? [Also verifiable.] etc etc..

 

If Redknapp should get the England job - and I don't think he will - I won't bother watching them anymore.

I think suewhistle has the nub of the problem here regarding reasonable doubt , the UK Bank Account and the Investment .The Pros missed a trick here I feel.. Rednapp himself has admitted he tells lies and somebody on this site posted evidence of him sending a text to Rio Ferdinand when he claimed he did not know how to send texts.

Looking at the two of them on the Court steps today, I will not change my opinion of both of them.

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I mostly dislike Redknapp for his shameless self-promotion which very rarely gets picked upon by the media. You know the sort of thing "when I took over we were crap, look where we are now" or "I never talk about other teams' players but......" or "I never talk about refs....". His abject failure at Saints is also massively glossed over. He even tries to take credit for Bale - the fact that Redknapp dropped him and was only forced by injuries to put him back in is completely glossed over.

 

The way that people harp on about him you'd think he was up there with Fergie. For all the money at his disposal he has one FA cup to his name. That is all. Capello is recognised around the world as a brilliant manager and has won league titles and the European Cup. And yet people think that one cup Redknapp is going to do better. Maybe we don't win the big matches because we're not good enough?!

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Best post on here for a long while! Mind you most of the Blue Phew, even the supposedly intelligent ones, still do not get this.

 

No it's not because it's wrong for one simple reason. The so called 'three musketeers' weren't the three who did the damage. It was the lone musketeer and his old man who came in after them that got us into trouble.

 

Mandaric took us from Championship to the Premiership. I wish he'd spent the money on a new ground instead as they don't get knocked down when the baliff's come calling, hmmm? Either way, we were paying our way and surviving, only just, but we were surviving.

 

Storrie gets absolutely slated by everyone for just being there. Like he had a cheque book and threw it and Redknapp! I don't think so. Storrie admitted that he warned Gaydamak on several occasions that the money for x,y,z player wasn't there, but Gaydamak overruled him every time and said it was ok. Storrie then did everything he could to keep the club going when the fire sale started. If Gaydamak chooses to take the money out as it seems clear that he did, Storrie is supposed to do what- walk out and let Gaydamak bring someone else in to shut it down once the last player is sold off?

 

Redknapp gets slated for asking for more money to improve the team. ALL managers do that. You all know that. If Gaydamak says yes, how can Redknapp be blamed? It's his job to improve the team. So he negotiates a commission on player sales. **** it, if he's turned a 1m player into a 5m player I'm more than happy to pay him a commission.

 

The blame for where Pompey are now lies with Gaydamak, and latterly Chainrai in believing he's going to get all his money back. He won't, but he knows he'll get more back by selling the club at a lower price that someone is prepared to pay, than getting a pittance for FP if it all goes tits up on the 20th....

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Why?

 

 

Many reasons.

 

1 - I have no respect for the players. ( see my OP)

2 - Never been overly patriotic anyway

3 - Don't rate HR as a coach

4 - Don't rate HR as a human being

5 - Don't like the way the UK media deify HR

6 - Couldn't put up with HR moaning that he can't pick Bale and Modric for England and so is down to the bare bones ....

 

 

Why France or Spain ?

 

 

France, cos I live here. Spain, because the football is so sexy, it should be rated 18.

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