FMPR Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 Of course you will have bigger attendances. You have a new owner, cheap season tickets and a bigger capacity I know you boys and girls keep clinging to that one remaining fact of attendance which we concede is true but we have a higher record attendance if you want to go back far enough. You might have the better supported club on the whole but we have the more succesfull one. Last post of the day
PompeyLass Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 are you going to go through this every f*****g time? :smt015 Same could be said about some of you lot. :smt015
SO16_Saint Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 Same could be said about some of you lot. :smt015 Sorry. Oh. Is this site called Saints Web Forum. Yes, yes it is. What's the saying.... something about jeallousy and envy.....?
SO16_Saint Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 Of course you will have bigger attendances. You have a new owner, cheap season tickets and a bigger capacity I know you boys and girls keep clinging to that one remaining fact of attendance which we concede is true but we have a higher record attendance if you want to go back far enough. You might have the better supported club on the whole but we have the more succesfull one. Last post of the day living in the past, are we?
Thedelldays Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 Of course you will have bigger attendances. You have a new owner, cheap season tickets and a bigger capacity I know you boys and girls keep clinging to that one remaining fact of attendance which we concede is true but we have a higher record attendance if you want to go back far enough. You might have the better supported club on the whole but we have the more succesfull one. Last post of the day so, for one game you had a huge attendance around half a century ago is something to shout about...? im talking consistantly over the last 50 years we have had (generally) bigger gates..even when you compare "like for like" down the leagues (now we are there) we simply wipe the floor with you on that issue.. like i said, does not make you a bad person to admit we are clearly a better supported club than you....
miserableoldgit Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 Not sure if this has already been posted but Mark Viduka looks likely to join Fulham today on a freeby. as Poopey can only sign loans through lack of finance. Ironic if he played on Saturday and scored the winning goal against the Skates.
PompeyLass Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 Sorry. Oh. Is this site called Saints Web Forum. Yes, yes it is. What's the saying.... something about jeallousy and envy.....? I'm well aware of what site it is, I've been here for quite a while, probably longer than you. Jealousy & envy ?? Of you lot ?? :smt081
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 I'm well aware of what site it is, I've been here for quite a while, probably longer than you. Jealousy & envy ?? Of you lot ?? :smt081 Of course not! It's more like morbid curiosity, driven by a paranoia that we will, eventually, end up back in the ascencency over the blue few.
Saint_John Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 Of course you will have bigger attendances. .... which we concede is true but we have a higher record attendance if you want to go back far enough. Would you like to go back to the 26 Sept 2000 for a 1st Team fixture against Blackburn, is that far enough back ? The attendance at Faggott Park that night was 2,731 !!! Even in our darkest days with the dark lord in charge we have never had a gate as low as that.
70's Mike Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 Of course you will have bigger attendances. You have a new owner, cheap season tickets and a bigger capacity I know you boys and girls keep clinging to that one remaining fact of attendance which we concede is true but we have a higher record attendance if you want to go back far enough. You might have the better supported club on the whole but we have the more succesfull one. Last post of the day define more successful your high attendances were due to the policy of letting in navy personnel for free
mack rill Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 so, for one game you had a huge attendance around half a century ago is something to shout about...? im talking consistantly over the last 50 years we have had (generally) bigger gates..even when you compare "like for like" down the leagues (now we are there) we simply wipe the floor with you on that issue.. like i said, does not make you a bad person to admit we are clearly a better supported club than you.... Er Dull days can we keep on thread, Its about Pfc takeover going tits up. Us being up the jolly old Swanee without a paddle, Not having a pot 2pizz in. The attendance thingy has been done to death. So try keep on topic.
OldNick Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 Er Dull days can we keep on thread, Its about Pfc takeover going tits up. Us being up the jolly old Swanee without a paddle, Not having a pot 2pizz in. The attendance thingy has been done to death. So try keep on topic. steady Mack you skates are not allowed a sense of humour. How many s/t's you lot sold so far?35k was the last estimate and you were printing more than the bank of england is notes
Clapham Saint Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 Er Dull days can we keep on thread, Its about Pfc takeover going tits up. Us being up the jolly old Swanee without a paddle, Not having a pot 2pizz in. The attendance thingy has been done to death. So try keep on topic. The anticipation of your final implosion is starting to lose it's edge a little bit now TBH. When it first became obvious what was going to happen it was like waiting for Christmas, sadly Christmas seems to have been postponed until mid February. Would you please get on with it!
Thedelldays Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 how is the new stadium coming on in pompey..? have they turned Fratton 90 degrees yet..?
Torres Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 Would you like to go back to the 26 Sept 2000 for a 1st Team fixture against Blackburn, is that far enough back ? The attendance at Faggott Park that night was 2,731 !!! Fin.
pfc123 Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 Would you like to go back to the 26 Sept 2000 for a 1st Team fixture against Blackburn, is that far enough back ? The attendance at Faggott Park that night was 2,731 !!! Even in our darkest days with the dark lord in charge we have never had a gate as low as that. Correct, because the matches that go even lower than the example above e.g. the life or death 'save the saints' game are called off when ticket sales don't go above 1500...
SO16_Saint Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 how is the new stadium coming on in pompey..? have they turned Fratton 90 degrees yet..? no, but the club has been turned upside-down :smt081
stevegrant Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 Correct, because the matches that go even lower than the example above e.g. the life or death 'save the saints' game are called off when ticket sales don't go above 1500... I must have missed where glorified testimonials were counted as official first-team attendances, even when none of the then-current squad were scheduled to play...
pfc123 Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 define more successful your high attendances were due to the policy of letting in navy personnel for free In exactly tha same way you give away 5000 freebies to schools and all and sundry who might wander past SMS on matchday....
pfc123 Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 I must have missed where glorified testimonials were counted as official first-team attendances, even when none of the then-current squad were scheduled to play... No- this was billed as a 'life or death' game and the fans chance to show how much they love SFC. When the chips were down a pathetic 1500 were bothered enough to buy a ticket. Says it all.......
Thedelldays Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 (edited) In exactly tha same way you give away 5000 freebies to schools and all and sundry who might wander past SMS on matchday.... do you conceed that we have traditionally been and still are the better supported club..? Edited 13 August, 2009 by Thedelldays
miserableoldgit Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 The anticipation of your final implosion is starting to lose it's edge a little bit now TBH. When it first became obvious what was going to happen it was like waiting for Christmas, sadly Christmas seems to have been postponed until mid February. Would you please get on with it! Yeah! Bastards can`t even get this right!!
hypochondriac Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 No- this was billed as a 'life or death' game and the fans chance to show how much they love SFC. When the chips were down a pathetic 1500 were bothered enough to buy a ticket. Says it all....... Because whoever billed it as that was an idiot. Clearly it was never going to make one iota of difference and so it prooved. People weren't prepared to throw money at something which was never going to make any difference to the club's plight.
pfc123 Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 do you conceed that we have traditionally been and still are the better supported club..? Pre SMS no, I don't. Post SMS yes. SMS has made a huge difference. It's clear that 10,000 people who wouldn't bother to go to 'the skip', because it was a complete shytehole, are more than happy to attend at a modern stadium with modern facilities. I suspect there are 10,000 people who live in and around Pompey who think exactly the same about Fratton Park....
OldNick Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 In exactly tha same way you give away 5000 freebies to schools and all and sundry who might wander past SMS on matchday.... How many s/ts have been sold? Ho has gone all coy on this, perhaps you can forward us the number. 9877 was the figure i was last forwarded but that was a few days ago. Perhaps it will be publicised at the Solent Fans Forum
Thedelldays Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 Pre SMS no, I don't. Post SMS yes. SMS has made a huge difference. It's clear that 10,000 people who wouldn't bother to go to 'the skip', because it was a complete shytehole, are more than happy to attend at a modern stadium with modern facilities. I suspect there are 10,000 people who live in and around Pompey who think exactly the same about Fratton Park.... but even pre sms we have had (generally) higher attendances. you dont need sms to have bigger attendances like for like down the leagues.. surely, you can see this..?
OldNick Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 but even pre sms we have had (generally) higher attendances. you dont need sms to have bigger attendances like for like down the leagues.. surely, you can see this..?DD you are flogging a dead horse.
pfc123 Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 Because whoever billed it as that was an idiot. Clearly it was never going to make one iota of difference and so it prooved. People weren't prepared to throw money at something which was never going to make any difference to the club's plight. Ah the old 'we all knew salvation was just around the corner so we didn't need to go' argument. Sorry, won't wash. You didn't know that at all, you simply couldn't be bothered, so you stayed away in your thousands during your clubs darkest hour of need...
pfc123 Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 How many s/ts have been sold? Ho has gone all coy on this, perhaps you can forward us the number. 9877 was the figure i was last forwarded but that was a few days ago. Perhaps it will be publicised at the Solent Fans Forum I have no idea. But I wouldn't be surprised if that figure was correct. :confused:
saint lard Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 Another one jumping ship..? http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/Belhadj-would-consider-Spurs-switch.5550477.jp
Mr_Red Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 Pre SMS no, I don't. Post SMS yes. SMS has made a huge difference. It's clear that 10,000 people who wouldn't bother to go to 'the skip', because it was a complete shytehole, are more than happy to attend at a modern stadium with modern facilities. I suspect there are 10,000 people who live in and around Pompey who think exactly the same about Fratton Park.... Do you really think that 10,000 people were put off by rubbish facilities? :confused: I can imagine a few people might be put off, maybe a few hundred, but no more than that. The Dell was packed, more often than not we couldn't get any more in. We had the demand for increased capacity so we built for it.
pfc123 Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 but even pre sms we have had (generally) higher attendances. you dont need sms to have bigger attendances like for like down the leagues.. surely, you can see this..? No, I can't, and here's the proof.... http://www.nufc.com/2009-10html/attendance-all-time.html
skintsaint Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 No, I can't, and here's the proof.... http://www.nufc.com/2009-10html/attendance-all-time.html seeing as the club is 13 years older that brings our average down? That how its worked out? Surprising list.
View From The Top Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 No, I can't, and here's the proof.... http://www.nufc.com/2009-10html/attendance-all-time.html So dispite the fact that you keep telling us how massive your crowds were whilst ours were so small and despite those figures using guestimates and despite you letting Jack Tar in for nowt we will shortly be overtaking you. You see, for over 1/2 a century SFC have been the bigger club and no matter how you want to spin it, that's just the way it is. You had your days in the sun and I don't begrudge it, every football fan should have the chance once in their lifetime, but those times are over. You'll soon start to tumble down and the skates I know are all to aware of it. They are keenly aware that our re-birth coincides with their decline and you're crowds will again shrink to the 10,000 loyal few. Even in our recent darkest days under the Dark Lord they never approached that and that's because, when you strip out the EPL glory fans, our fanbase is bigger and has been for 50 years. Live with it, get over it and move on with your life as you appear to be a bit of a no-life saddo on here.
spyinthesky Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 I have seen different figures which show Saints all time average above Pompey's. I recollect that in the last 40 yrs or so Pompey have only had 3 seasons when their average gate was above ours despite, for the large part , having a larger capacity ground, altho to be fair Pompey generally played in a lower division (or two, or occasionally three) Saints had better crowds up until the mid 1920's, Pompey's were higher until the mid 1960's, albeit with a ground with a max capacity of 50,000+ compared to the Dell at a shade over 30,000, which racked up quite a bit of aggregate gain. Does it say anywhere what season the aggregate figures start from?
pfc123 Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 seeing as the club is 13 years older that brings our average down? That how its worked out? Surprising list. Doesn't matter that you're 13 years older- it's an AVERAGE...
benjii Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 (edited) No- this was billed as a 'life or death' game and the fans chance to show how much they love SFC. When the chips were down a pathetic 1500 were bothered enough to buy a ticket. Says it all....... Because everyone knew it was actually a load of well-intentioned, but misguided, hot-air. I really can't believe there is any debate about which is the bigger club. It used to be Pompey but for the last 50 years it has been, and still is, Saints. Anyone in the country apart from a few Pompey fans would agree with that. If Pompey stay in the Prem for another five years and Saints are still in the third division it might change, but it hasn't yet. For most living football supporters Pompey are a ramshackle outfit run by a long-line of "interesting" characters who are enjoying the best few years they are likely to for the remainder of their entire existence, whereas Saints are a top level team who are suffering a blip. Edited 13 August, 2009 by benjii
pfc123 Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 So dispite the fact that you keep telling us how massive your crowds were whilst ours were so small and despite those figures using guestimates and despite you letting Jack Tar in for nowt we will shortly be overtaking you. You see, for over 1/2 a century SFC have been the bigger club and no matter how you want to spin it, that's just the way it is. You had your days in the sun and I don't begrudge it, every football fan should have the chance once in their lifetime, but those times are over. You'll soon start to tumble down and the skates I know are all to aware of it. They are keenly aware that our re-birth coincides with their decline and you're crowds will again shrink to the 10,000 loyal few. Even in our recent darkest days under the Dark Lord they never approached that and that's because, when you strip out the EPL glory fans, our fanbase is bigger and has been for 50 years. Live with it, get over it and move on with your life as you appear to be a bit of a no-life saddo on here. You can always tell when you guys start getting desperate when the old chestnut about 'the last 50 years' is wheeled out, conveniently airbrushing out the previous 50 because it juuussst doesn't quite fit in with your argument does it? Another one is the patheticlly weak 'within living memory' quip. Either way, it's selective and hence not the full picture. Sadly for you the full picture as per the link posted above tells a slightly different story.... The nice little line of abuse at the end merely proves my assertion that a nerve has been touched, hmmmm?
skintsaint Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 Doesn't matter that you're 13 years older- it's an AVERAGE... well im guessing its the total figure divided against the total number of years since the club formed?
Thedelldays Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 You can always tell when you guys start getting desperate when the old chestnut about 'the last 50 years' is wheeled out, conveniently airbrushing out the previous 50 because it juuussst doesn't quite fit in with your argument does it? Another one is the patheticlly weak 'within living memory' quip. Either way, it's selective and hence not the full picture. Sadly for you the full picture as per the link posted above tells a slightly different story.... The nice little line of abuse at the end merely proves my assertion that a nerve has been touched, hmmmm? well..when did records begin officially... certainly was not 1908
pfc123 Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 well im guessing its the total figure divided against the total number of years since the club formed? Yep, that's how an average is calculated.
pfc123 Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 well..when did records begin officially... certainly was not 1908 Sorry, not with you, 1908? What do you mean :confused:
skintsaint Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 Yep, that's how an average is calculated. ok well being 13 years older would lower the average wouldnt it.
benjii Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 You can always tell when you guys start getting desperate when the old chestnut about 'the last 50 years' is wheeled out, conveniently airbrushing out the previous 50 because it juuussst doesn't quite fit in with your argument does it? Another one is the patheticlly weak 'within living memory' quip. Either way, it's selective and hence not the full picture. Sadly for you the full picture as per the link posted above tells a slightly different story.... The nice little line of abuse at the end merely proves my assertion that a nerve has been touched, hmmmm? Actually, that's just about the strongest argument there is. HTH
benjii Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 ok well being 13 years older would lower the average wouldnt it. Not per se but it depends if the average attendance in those years was less than the average attendance in the following years. Given that football crowds were probably on the general increase through the early days of the game then I suspect, in this case, those extra 13 years probably contained lower crowds.
pfc123 Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 ok well being 13 years older would lower the average wouldnt it. No, not necessarily. Say for example you were packing them out in the early years at what, 15k a game for the first 10 years? But then it dipped to say 10k for the next 10 years, your average over the 20 years would be 12.5k wouldn't it?
skintsaint Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 Not per se but it depends if the average attendance in those years was less than the average attendance in the following years. Given that football crowds were probably on the general increase through the early days of the game then I suspect, in this case, those extra 13 years probably contained lower crowds. True, doesnt matter anyway, not sure how they have worked out the average on that table as it isnt by what I said
skintsaint Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 No, not necessarily. Say for example you were packing them out in the early years at what, 15k a game for the first 10 years? But then it dipped to say 10k for the next 10 years, your average over the 20 years would be 12.5k wouldn't it? 'tis ok, I assumed it was a simple table of the total attendence divided by the total number of years, in which case the extra 13 years would of lowered it. But it doesnt work it like that...so I assumed wrong
pfc123 Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 Not per se but it depends if the average attendance in those years was less than the average attendance in the following years. Given that football crowds were probably on the general increase through the early days of the game then I suspect, in this case, those extra 13 years probably contained lower crowds. Maybe, but you can't really say on the one hand: 'We're the south coasts oldest club', and yet on the other sweep away the (possibly) lower attendance figures from the same period. You can't have it both ways....
NickG Posted 13 August, 2009 Posted 13 August, 2009 Would you like to go back to the 26 Sept 2000 for a 1st Team fixture against Blackburn, is that far enough back ? The attendance at Faggott Park that night was 2,731 !!! Even in our darkest days with the dark lord in charge we have never had a gate as low as that. is that serious? what was it cup game?
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