CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 It's unfortunate that this Oldknow chap seems to 'rub people up the wrong way' and we can only hope his people skills have improved over time as I believe getting the staff onside (BWP excepted obviously ) is helpful to the smooth running of any organisation . Ultimately being good at his job is the most important thing however - popular or not . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 This thread is f*****g unbelieveable! Our new owner (God bless him) can employ whoever he sees fit to run the club. I have far greater respect for his ability to recruit the right people than some of the 'experts' on this forum. I have to say some of the opinions on how the administrator should do his job (on other threads) were laughable. We should all stick to opinions on football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 This thread is f*****g unbelieveable! Our new owner (God bless him) can employ whoever he sees fit to run the club. I have far greater respect for his ability to recruit the right people than some of the 'experts' on this forum. I have to say some of the opinions on how the administrator should do his job (on other threads) were laughable. We should all stick to opinions on football. i agree with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 The guy deserves a chance surely with a clean slate? Anyone would have struggled in the hothouse the club has been in the last 5 years, particularly in Hone's time. Would you have fancied working at the club during the last 5 years with all the backstabbing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 (edited) It's unfortunate that this Oldknow chap seems to 'rub people up the wrong way' and we can only hope his people skills have improved over time as I believe getting the staff onside (BWP excepted obviously ) is helpful to the smooth running of any organisation . Ultimately being good at his job is the most important thing however - popular or not . That could just be his management style, we've all met shout you down managers in our time surely. It's how YOU respond to that that makes a difference. Your last line says it all! And lets be honest here, we're talking about a football club not a mutli billion pound organisation trading stocks or an engineering company. For every supervisor or staff member that gets ****ed off, there are loads out there to fill that role, if you don't like it change jobs! Also bear in mind the last time he was at the club, there were some tough decisions to be made! Edited 9 July, 2009 by GenevaSaint added last line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 9 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 July, 2009 The guy deserves a chance surely with a clean slate? Anyone would have struggled in the hothouse the club has been in the last 5 years, particularly in Hone's time. Would you have fancied working at the club during the last 5 years with all the backstabbing? I dont think anyone was disputing that, just suprised that an ex director had returned. We are hopefully all now united under our new ownership and should all get behind the club, the players, the staff etc., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 This thread is f*****g unbelieveable! Our new owner (God bless him) can employ whoever he sees fit to run the club. I have far greater respect for his ability to recruit the right people than some of the 'experts' on this forum. I have to say some of the opinions on how the administrator should do his job (on other threads) were laughable. We should all stick to opinions on football. +1 Lots of agenda's for these people who moan about the appointments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I dont think anyone was disputing that, just suprised that an ex director had returned. We are hopefully all now united under our new ownership and should all get behind the club, the players, the staff etc., I was surprised as well LS but ML must have had people in mind and I'm happy to back his judgement. If the previous allegations re: AO were to resurface - and that's assuming they were accurate rumours, unlike the Wilde/Lowe/Hone regimes, he'll be out of the door very quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Well thats MLs first mistake. I hope there won't be too many more. Oldknow is a **** and the last thing the the much tested staff at SMS need. Sadly you are more right than you know. I once had the unfortunate experience of having to deal with Oldknow during my time with the Saints Trust. He treats fans in general with utter contempt, and he attempted to censor our views about how the club was being run. I have since spoken to a range of staff employed by SFC and none of them have a good word to say about him. Oldknow was given responsibility for 'creating open dialogue' with fans but was strangely silent when a 'source' at the club disgracefully attempted to ruin the good name of Dr. Brian Bennett, by leaking to the Echo that his views on the club were not valid because he did not hold a season ticket. Care to let us know who that 'source' was Mr. Oldknow? If Oldknow is the type of individual that our new owner likes it says more about him than it does about Oldknow. Good luck building relationships with the fan base... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintfully Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I think we can assume that if Mr Oldknow is as useless as some people say he is then he won't last too long. I guess our owner ("cheers" by the way - my old Dad would have been chuffed to bits and even more excited than I am!!), or who he has passed the responsibility to, simply wants a bit of continuity while they take up the reins. Seems sensible to me - afterall, he might be a c*ck, but he might be an effective c*ck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Sadly you are more right than you know. I once had the unfortunate experience of having to deal with Oldknow during my time with the Saints Trust. He treats fans in general with utter contempt, and he attempted to censor our views about how the club was being run. I have since spoken to a range of staff employed by SFC and none of them have a good word to say about him. Oldknow was given responsibility for 'creating open dialogue' with fans but was strangely silent when a 'source' at the club disgracefully attempted to ruin the good name of Dr. Brian Bennett, by leaking to the Echo that his views on the club were not valid because he did not hold a season ticket. Care to let us know who that 'source' was Mr. Oldknow? If Oldknow is the type of individual that our new owner likes it says more about him than it does about Oldknow. Good luck building relationships with the fan base... Whats wrong with treating the Saints Trust with contempt ? He probably thought that you were wasting his time......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 John - I would say the fact he would not sidle up and have cosy chats with Supporter groups is a good thing. As the Times article at the weekend said, fans are very rarely right.... The club needs to be run as a professional business and not be here at the beck and call of supporter groups. Look where that got us before........ Good grief, you can't many people to agree things on here......and this is a tiny, tiny handful of Saints supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Whats wrong with treating the Saints Trust with contempt ? He probably thought that you were wasting his time......... Agreed. The Trust don't represent me and they should be ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 John - I would say the fact he would not sidle up and have cosy chats with Supporter groups is a good thing. As the Times article at the weekend said, fans are very rarely right.... The club needs to be run as a professional business and not be here at the beck and call of supporter groups. Look where that got us before........ Good grief, you can't many people to agree things on here......and this is a tiny, tiny handful of Saints supporters. It might be sensible to run the business in a certain way, making decisions that are deemed to be correct without interference from the fans. However, the owners of a club need to be aware that often the financial success of a club is dependent on having as full a stadium as possible by offering good value entertainment and not ****ing off the paying customers. Now ML is wealthy enough to continue for some time with an empty stadium if he wanted. But having read a bit about the guy, he seems to be making all the right noises that he was attracted by us as a family club and wants to help restore our fortunes to where they were. I am entirely confident that although he might not wish to be bothered every five minutes by fans' demands, he will otherwise deal with us fairly and with respect, gaining respect from us in return. I'll happily give Oldknow a chance to prove himself with a clean slate and respect that he is the choice of our saviour. However, if he antagonises the paying customers, ML has the right to know if he is alienating the fans and affecting revenue streams. Whether he replaces him then, is entirely up to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Agreed. The Trust don't represent me and they should be ignored. Mole, you can change your location now, the day has dawned :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 ML has the right to know if he is alienating the fans and affecting revenue streams. Whether he replaces him then, is entirely up to him. just worry about when happens on the pitch ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 John - I would say the fact he would not sidle up and have cosy chats with Supporter groups is a good thing. As the Times article at the weekend said, fans are very rarely right.... The club needs to be run as a professional business and not be here at the beck and call of supporter groups. Look where that got us before........ Good grief, you can't many people to agree things on here......and this is a tiny, tiny handful of Saints supporters. That's right, of course; stupid me...there I was thinking we live in a democracy where anyone is entitled to criticise whoever they like; when in fact we live in a world where we should just be grateful the 'clever' poeple are in charge and us morons just do what we're told. Fans may not always be right but that doesn't mean they don't have the right to criticise when they believe the product they buy is faulty...and as for running a professional business!!!! Lowe, Cowan, Hone, Oldknow...wouldn't trust them to make a success out of sell water in the desert....but as others have already posted...I was once associated with the Saints Trust so my view isn't actually valid...unlike the clever people who didn't join and therefore are automatically better and more intelligent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Whats wrong with treating the Saints Trust with contempt ? He probably thought that you were wasting his time......... Talking about someone who is a waste of time Manji.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 John - all I was saying was that a select few fans do not (and cannot) speak for all fans. And whether you like it or not, that select group of fans can become star struck (look at the experiences of the unfortunate Keith Legg on Saints Forever) or be easily coerced into agreeing/talking about things that actually could be detrimental to the vast majority of fans. By all accounts, the old Supporter group evenings worked reasonably well and, though far from ideal, were probably a happy medium. Oh, and John, if your response to me was typical of the way you (as someone associated with Saints Trust) engaged with the football club, it is no wonder they did not take things seriously/want to engage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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