Amesbury Saint Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1717163,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 What Mr L has done today buys a HUGE amount of fan support and a decent honeymoon period - or it should. I am 100% behind whoever he appoints because we all want the same thing, and he is financing our dream. Though Gary Glitter for youth development could leave the club open to criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Lol, The person who told me does not post on TSW and AO reads only. He has never posted. Thought it funny when he left that he was still reading us. May be now we know why. Well done AO. has he been online today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegaffer Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 In defence of AO the last time he was employed at the club there was a lot of unrest so would not of been happy times or a good working enviroment for anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Anyone know (without disclosing confidentialities obviously) how Andy Oldknow came into contact with Markus Liebherr? No sinister motive for wanting to know, just idle curiosity as to how this netwroking malarkey comes together. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Anyone know (without disclosing confidentialities obviously) how Andy Oldknow came into contact with Markus Liebherr? No sinister motive for wanting to know, just idle curiosity as to how this netwroking malarkey comes together. cheers probably got chatting over a half of mild at the Lord Louis, I should think. Waiting for a No 13 or 15 perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegaffer Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Anyone know (without disclosing confidentialities obviously) how Andy Oldknow came into contact with Markus Liebherr? No sinister motive for wanting to know, just idle curiosity as to how this netwroking malarkey comes together. cheers I'm trying to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Reminds me of Steve McClaren - not mr charisma that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 You must have been the only one of us that didn't then Rob! I thought we were all there the first time we met Hone, Hoos and Oldknow when they wanted our backing. Sorry it was a couple of years ago now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1717163,00.html Oooh, just remembered i've got saintstv. will have a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Oooh, just remembered i've got saintstv. will have a look. I've just subscribed but for some reason none of the vids are playing! Leibherr out ffs!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 (edited) ... Edited 8 July, 2009 by Johnny Bognor Just being a knob, hence post removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westofshannonsaint Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 just watched his sky interview again..... Said he met Wotte for a hour today and am meeting him next week to hear his views on what is needed to get promotion one of the most promising things i've heard from a board member in a long time, glad he is talking about promotion and not getting hung up on the -10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Another interesting link is that MLT is good friends with Andy Oldknow. Watch this space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Key points from AO's interview on saintstv: *Money available to grow the club. *There is a plan that's been considered for a month. *Actions speak louder than words. *Club with sound finances that is competitive. *Make sure support is there for he manager. *Didn't commit to keeping Wotte. decisions made after a full review. *Season Tickets addressed tomorrow. *Nicola making the decisions. *Saints fans should be excited - this is a serious project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Let the new owner and his staff get on with it...Thank you and good luck Saints...... BUT we need a new footballer manager coach as soon as possible.... Hopefully MLT Football chairman or Director of football....Mr Wotte ...well sorry old boy... Anyway as I said fans like me can now revert back to being fans as most of us have not a clue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Andy seemed OK to me in the interview. I don't doubt he can be a bastard, but he seems driven and the sort of bloke who will get things done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Andy seemed OK to me in the interview. I don't doubt he can be a bastard, but he seems driven and the sort of bloke who will get things done. Believe me he has no choice - deliver or ML will not be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Believe me he has no choice - deliver or ML will not be happy. AO made it clear that Nicola is the main man. I expect Nicola is Mr Liebherrs trusted eyes and ears.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 AO made it clear that Nicola is the main man. I expect Nicola is Mr Liebherrs trusted eyes and ears.... No doubt about that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 I dont know first hand what people thought of AO from previousy, i've only read what is on here tonight. to be honest, from what i've heard of him in his interview on SSN just now, he seems like a quite a nice guy, so for that reason, Im IN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 That may well be the case - and if so he rightfully deserves thanks for doing so - but I strongly suspect that Liebherr hasn't made his fortune by appointing people to positions who are either unsuitable or not experienced enough for that position. Oldknow clearly has some "baggage" from his previous stay here, and some may argue that his role in putting Liebherr in the frame here is repayment for the substantial payoff he and the other executive directors received from the club when they were removed 18 months ago, when they'd spent money we didn't have and led to us spiralling to where we currently find ourselves - bottom of League One. On a personal level I didn't take to Andy Oldknow because I don't think he understood football fans, in the same way that people level that accusation at Lowe. On his arrival at the club, he didn't wish to go visiting and speaking to fans, he wanted to be out getting money into the club and the fans were merely a marketing tool to be exploited. Having said that, I found him pretty flexible in his approach when he was appointed to get the membership of the Trust up to the 1650 figure that the club had asked for in order for the Fan on the Board to be appointed. Having done the job, I always thought he shafted us by reneging on the deal, but I'm told I do him a disservice by levelling that accusation, and in fact, he also got shafted by Jim Hone, and it was the latter who was the villain of the piece. I was told that AO felt utterly gutted by Hone's behaviour, as if he had been knifed in the back. If AO has been a major player in bringing this deal to a completion, then fair play to him, but I do feel that he was one of the reasons the fans felt cut off from the club and I hope he will do something quickly to restore links between the club and fans, and I don't just mean fans groups. We all need to move forward as one, club and fans together, and this won't happen unless the fans feel that connection again. Over to you Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 On a personal level I didn't take to Andy Oldknow because I don't think he understood football fans, in the same way that people level that accusation at Lowe. On his arrival at the club, he didn't wish to go visiting and speaking to fans, he wanted to be out getting money into the club and the fans were merely a marketing tool to be exploited. Having said that, I found him pretty flexible in his approach when he was appointed to get the membership of the Trust up to the 1650 figure that the club had asked for in order for the Fan on the Board to be appointed. Having done the job, I always thought he shafted us by reneging on the deal, but I'm told I do him a disservice by levelling that accusation, and in fact, he also got shafted by Jim Hone, and it was the latter who was the villain of the piece. I was told that AO felt utterly gutted by Hone's behaviour, as if he had been knifed in the back. If AO has been a major player in bringing this deal to a completion, then fair play to him, but I do feel that he was one of the reasons the fans felt cut off from the club and I hope he will do something quickly to restore links between the club and fans, and I don't just mean fans groups. We all need to move forward as one, club and fans together, and this won't happen unless the fans feel that connection again. Over to you Andy Agreed, and Leibherr's statement has made it clear that he wants and expects the club to re-engage with the fans, and the wider community. With that directive, I am sure AO and NC will do so. I have very little knowledge of the details of AO's prior stint here, other than what I have heard from posters on here (most of whom I respect the views of) and am prepared to believe he did a less than good job, but the club was in a state of flux then (when wasn't it?!), and I do think he's earned the clean slate that I intend to give him - as will most other fans I suspect. Time to move forward - together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilsburydoughboy Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 probably got chatting over a half of mild at the Lord Louis, I should think. Waiting for a No 13 or 15 perhaps. Probaly had eaten pies from plested and bought shoes from Dr Marten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Chuckle Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 not sure if this is posted anywhere so appolgies if it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 just watched his sky interview again. He came across very well. Talked about the negotiations and dealing with Fry etc - sounds like he has been very hands on in getting this sorted. Said he met Wotte for a hour today and am meeting him next week to hear his views on what is needed to get promotion Didn't see that bit - funny from what I saw of NC / AO's interviews on SSN it sounded like they were reviewing all aspects of the club and were going to make changes to the management team (reading between the lines, rather than them saying anything explicit). Hoping they will, but let's see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 I am sure AO and NC will do so. You could be right about Oldknow but Canteen is unpredictable ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Probaly had eaten pies from plested and bought shoes from Dr Marten. From Parnell's in Shirley you mean, surely? A true right of passage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 You could be right about Oldknow but Canteen is unpredictable ! LOL! Funny, where is Canteen these days? Crying in a corner somewhere now that the Lowe era is really over?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Brilliant. Well, that spell of fan unity on here lasted all of 4 hours. Blinding. LMAO Well, it coudln't go to smoothly or it wouldn't be TSW. haha I had heard negative reports but thought he came across well on the news and I'm willing to put the past behind us and blame it on that t*sser Jim Hone. Just please do NOT bring him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Probaly had eaten pies from plested and bought shoes from Dr Marten. Blimey, those were the days. Not a fan of Plested's pies nowadays. Too rich and fatty for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Blimey, those were the days. Not a fan of Plested's pies nowadays. Too rich and fatty for me. Ah Plested's... delicious! Remember getting headbutted by a skinhead in the chippy up the road from there. A 'flat-top' in Percy's before going into Subway records for some abuse from the staff. Those were the days indeed!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Two questions, remind me, AO was around when Wilde was in charge, yes? Nothing to do with Rupes, why did he leave, was it when RL came back? And more interestingly, does this open the door for other former directors to return (I sincerely hope not), I mean no one saw this one coming did they (apart form the couple of ITK's)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 A 'flat-top' in Percy's before going into Subway records for some abuse from the staff. Those were the days indeed!!! Ah nostalgia Percy did me a nice mohican once or twice as well, when I got bored of flat-tops and having a "Gripper Stebson quiff". Did a bit of work in Subways myself - strictly cash in hand makes you think though.... AO certainly played his part in our downfall, then gets his contact involved in buying us up cheap. If he did indeed provide the link to ML as people are claiming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Two questions, remind me, AO was around when Wilde was in charge, yes? Nothing to do with Rupes, why did he leave, was it when RL came back? And more interestingly, does this open the door for other former directors to return (I sincerely hope not), I mean no one saw this one coming did they (apart form the couple of ITK's)? He was brought in by Hone as whilst Steve Davies was marketing manager. I think his title then was commercial manager or similar, and within minutes, Steve was on garden leave whilst they looked for an excuse to sack him, which they never got. They paid Steve off in the end before they were taken to a tribunal. He was then invited on to the board having got the trusts affiliate membership numbers up to 1650. When Hone resigned etc I'm not sure what happened with AO, but I would guess guilty by association would be a fair comment to make. I remember asking an Everton website his feelings on AO and he thought he had done a decent enough job at Goodison. He shall be judged on what happens now, not what happened previously as it would appear that Hone had a lot to answer for. I wish him well and sincerely hope that he can connect with the fans this time around because without tv money etc, the commercial opportunities for a league 1 club are limited. We are not customers, we are fans. There is a vast difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 I think the key here is he will judged on how successfully he deploys his bosses money. This will start with showing more ambition than Lowe in managerial appointments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 (edited) a former director of the plc will be returning as Chairman, and I am not talking RL - has anyone else heard anything. Well, I wouldn't be opposed to AO as a Director, he knows his stuff. Having talked to him on the phone before, I know he's a businessman who won't take sh*t and that's possibly what we as fans and Mr Liebherr need in order to drag this club forwards. Edited 8 July, 2009 by Patrick Bateman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I think the key here is he will judged on how successfully he deploys his bosses money. This will start with showing more ambition than Lowe in managerial appointments. If we got Fergie in as manager he wouldn't be good enough for some on here. After all, he only got the Champions League cup twice and was "tactically naive" against Barca. More seriously I think Wotte has been pretty loyal and dignified over the past few weeks and would be happy to see what he can do given a different set of circumstances, ie a little money backing him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 well if it is correct AO found the buyer we should let him get on with it. Lets hope he has learnt a few man management skills and will be able to unite the club. The last thing we need is anybody devisive running things again. I heard that he was not popular when I was talking to an ex member of staff who worked with him on a day to day basis and hegave me the impression that he was very difficult. \there again if he was the man who got rid of him no wonder he didnt have a good word to say about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 well if it is correct AO found the buyer Does the Echo not suggest it was Nicola the CEO who found the buyer because of their Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 In his previous time here there was at least one major marketing mistake by Oldknow that made me doubt his understanding of his profession. That said we have to hope that our new owner employs his shrewd business skills in the operation of the Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Richard of Woolston Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 He put the Swiss deal together. Are you sure? From my understanding it was Banque Heritage who did the negotiating and Oldknow is a paid employee of Liebherr but only once the deal was agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Does the Echo not suggest it was Nicola the CEO who found the buyer because of their Website OK thanks for that. AO out then Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Its time to move our focus away from the board room and inner mechanics of the club back on to team, tactics and pies. Even when you work for a firm and deal with people every day different staff will have diffrent views of managers and directors. Fury or lavish praise over every internal appointment by posters who know relatively nothing about the skills and personalities involved is not only unhelpful, its ill informed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 What do we actually know about him? Rather than saying 'such and such doesn't like him'. Someone said he said something about fans? What did he say? This thread seems to lack any factual information! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 (edited) Oldknow clearly has some "baggage" from his previous stay here, and some may argue that his role in putting Liebherr in the frame here is repayment for the substantial payoff he and the other executive directors received from the club when they were removed 18 months ago, when they'd spent money we didn't have and led to us spiralling to where we currently find ourselves - bottom of League One. Aided sustantially by Mr Rupert Lowe's Dutch Youth Total Football rubbish Steve. You know the one where we paid experienced internationals to not even sit on the bench anyway? You seem to be forgetting that rather crucial bit. But, yes I grant that he was one of the few who took the gamble. However, Oldknow is not going to be a popular choice amongst the staff and the in-crowd. He was detested as I recall, when he was here last time. I wonder if this is part of a clean sweeping broom?! If I was an employee of SFC at the moment I think I would be a little nervous, certainly doesnt suffer fools by the sound of it. Edited 9 July, 2009 by SaintRobbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Key points from AO's interview on saintstv: *Money available to grow the club. *There is a plan that's been considered for a month. *Actions speak louder than words. ooo Wotte... 2-2 v Totton and 1-1 against Eastleigh. Report reads must get better in this department methinks. *Club with sound finances that is competitive. *Make sure support is there for he manager. *Didn't commit to keeping Wotte. decisions made after a full review. *Season Tickets addressed tomorrow. *Nicola making the decisions. :/ Dunno yet! *Saints fans should be excited - this is a serious project. Comments above in smileys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 If I was an employee of SFC at the moment I think I would be a little nervous, certainly doesnt suffer fools by the sound of it. Are you a fool then Robbie? 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 (edited) Are you a fool then Robbie? 8-) Nah. far from it and certainly not an employee P&M. Could be interesting this - Oldknow / Nicola thingy. Sort of good guy decision-maker/bad guy disciplinarian and no nonesense man. Used this system before myself and can work wonders. Having the two different personalities at the top like that may be a good option when there is work to be done. I think Oldknow doesnt take many prisoners. Clever set up by Markus in my opinion. Demonstrates his intent is to move on up. But, don't really know enough about the CEO to objectively comment on this yet. Edited 9 July, 2009 by SaintRobbie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Here's a question for Duncan or Steve I suspect... Was Andy Oldknow instrumental in trying to bring in the SISU deal too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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