StuRomseySaint Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 What do you think we need to get out of this division and what do you think Mr Liebherr will give us? £5m wisely spent with the wages of a few good journeymen should see us good... I am confident that Markus will give us £5m this season for transfers.
Thedelldays Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 agree stu 5m spent wisely would get us in the playoffs (with the right manager)
Papa Shango Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 £5 million is a huge huge amount at this level. Spent correctly we could well be challenging for automatic promotion.
alpine_saint Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 agree stu 5m spent wisely would get us in the playoffs (with the right manager) As long as that right manager isnt a drunken Scotsman.
Scummer Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 I have no idea what sort of transfer fees go around in this division, but £5m sounds like a lot of money to spend. I don't think Leicester spent anything like that in transfer fees did they?
kpturner Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 I think he should spend what our income from gates dictates we can afford.
saintmonkey1979 Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 I have no idea what sort of transfer fees go around in this division, but £5m sounds like a lot of money to spend. I don't think Leicester spent anything like that in transfer fees did they? True but Leicester din't have a 10 point handicap to begin with
SFC Forever Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 They did have the basis of a good team to begin with as well.
SaintDonkey Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 I can't see us spending for promotion this season - but having said that we'll need to spend at least 3 million just to replace the players we've sold.
Dannyboy_Saint Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 Shouldnt have to spend too much if we get the right sort of bargain buys that a shrewd manager can get in this league to be honest. The basis of a good team is there if the manager can coax the best out of players like Rasiak and Bialkowski. All thats needed is a few defenders (particularly at fullback) and another striker IMO.
StuRomseySaint Posted 8 July, 2009 Author Posted 8 July, 2009 True but Leicester din't have a 10 point handicap to begin with It doesn't really work like that now we are a private ltd company.... transfers are generally not counted in the day to day operations. The club will be set up to run on a profit day to day... if the gaffer wants to chuck the manager £5m to spend... then good luck to him! It is not going to send us into financial meltdown that it would if we were a PLC
Ash Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 As long as that right manager isnt a drunken Scotsman. Don't be so dismissive, with that level of backing I think Fergie would be able to get us up no problem.
saints_is_the_south Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 Don't even think that much is needed tbh. Keep Davis, Thomas, Stern, & Rasiak & add JP Saeijs & Murty to the squad & i think we'll already be looking like having a very strong team for league 1. After watching last night's performance mind, i think we could certainly do with a right winger as Jake Thomson imo was shocking especially his crossing. Ideally we need 2 players per position to mantain healthy squad competition. GK: Kelvin Davis, Bartosz Bialkowski RB: Lloyd James, Graeme Murty LB: Joseph Mills, ? CB: Wayne Thomas, JP Saeijs, Chris Perry, ? RM: ?, Jake Thomson LM: Lee Holmes, Oscar Gobern CM: Morgan Schnerderlin, Simon Gillett, Paul Wotton, Adam Lallana (AM) CF: Grzegorz Rasiak, Stern John, Matthew Paterson, ? Offload: BWP, Jason Euell, Lee Molyneux, Ryan Smith, Rudi Skacel, Anthony Pulis. Send out on loan: Ollie Lancashire, Tommy Forecast, Jamie White, Kayne McClaggon.
stevegrant Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 I think he should spend what our income from gates dictates we can afford. This. Anything else and it would prove that we really haven't learnt our lesson, and we'll only be in the same situation again a few years down the line, IMO. There will probably be a bit of money to spend - after all, we're not spending nearly £5m a year servicing debt anymore - but I wouldn't expect us to be going on a spending spree this season.
Scummer Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 True but Leicester din't have a 10 point handicap to begin with Yes but they won the league. People here are saying 5m to make the playoffs. S****horpe came 6th with 20 less points than Leicester got. They did have the basis of a good team to begin with as well. So have we in theory.
Thedelldays Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 Yes but they won the league. People here are saying 5m to make the playoffs. S****horpe came 6th with 20 less points that Leicester got. So have we in theory. not really have we
SFC Forever Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 I can see no reason for us not to go for promotion. If we can get off to a reasonable start we could always buy the odd player or two in the January transfer window. Even if we don't make it this season we would be in a good position for the following season.
Saintjersey Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 McLaggon will be quality in League One IMO, I thought he was brilliant when he came on against Norwich in the 2-2 draw and I reckon he should of started matches if he wasn't injured.
Scummer Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 not really have we You thought it was a good enough squad to stay in the Championship. Even with the players that have gone, we have a very strong league 1 squad.
StuRomseySaint Posted 8 July, 2009 Author Posted 8 July, 2009 This. Anything else and it would prove that we really haven't learnt our lesson, and we'll only be in the same situation again a few years down the line, IMO. There will probably be a bit of money to spend - after all, we're not spending nearly £5m a year servicing debt anymore - but I wouldn't expect us to be going on a spending spree this season. But we are a private company now though, owned by one super-wealthy individual. Although the club should be run as a business... if the owner wants to put his hand in his pocket and buy a few players.... then fair play!
Torres Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 I think he should spend what our income from gates dictates we can afford. This. Anything else and it would prove that we really haven't learnt our lesson, and we'll only be in the same situation again a few years down the line, IMO. There will probably be a bit of money to spend - after all, we're not spending nearly £5m a year servicing debt anymore - but I wouldn't expect us to be going on a spending spree this season. Yep. Much as it sounds like fun, I don't want our club to be financially reliant on the goodwill of one man.
Thedelldays Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 You thought it was a good enough squad to stay in the Championship. Even with the players that have gone, we have a very strong league 1 squad. good enought to stay in the CCC...errm, where have you been in the last few years.. teh team that just stayed up with pearson, with results going their way were by far better than last years team
Saintandy666 Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 We're on minus ten points. For an automatic promotion team we'd need 10 million in my opinion.
crouchi Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 10 mill (even 5) on League 1 players = total waste of money. Hopefully the new guys will be smarter than that. It's the whole management set up that's important.
Scummer Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 good enought to stay in the CCC...errm, where have you been in the last few years.. teh team that just stayed up with pearson, with results going their way were by far better than last years team IMO im off for a while and upon my return I predict we will STILL be a CCC and mark wotte will have done his bit (then maybe step down) you heard it here first charlton Plymouth Forest will go down IMO ? You said it yourself.....
saint_stevo Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 about 2million i reckon. And if it looks good for promo, the same again come January perhaps?
Cabrone Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 Top 3 signings for me would be to keep Davies, John and Rasiak. On top of that I'd like to see a combative midfielder to give us a bit of steel in the middle of the park.
SFC Forever Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 The team needs at least 2 minders. A proven goalscorer would be rather useful as would be a big strong and mobile CB.
nickfinks Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 3 million now and maybe 2 million in jan if we are pushing in the right direction, if all else fails then get through this year and plan for next.. i dont care as long as we stay up and move forward..
stevegrant Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 But we are a private company now though, owned by one super-wealthy individual. Although the club should be run as a business... if the owner wants to put his hand in his pocket and buy a few players.... then fair play! If he wants to do so, and isn't necessarily expecting a return on that money for a potentially-significant length of time, then fine, but I would rather we took the sensible and stable option of not running the club like a loss-leader in the hope that spending enough will get us back to the Premier League. If Liebherr was to bankroll a load of spending, and then a year down the line decide he doesn't want to do so anymore, the club's then back in a similar position to the one we've just got ourselves out of.
nickfinks Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 If he wants to do so, and isn't necessarily expecting a return on that money for a potentially-significant length of time, then fine, but I would rather we took the sensible and stable option of not running the club like a loss-leader in the hope that spending enough will get us back to the Premier League. If Liebherr was to bankroll a load of spending, and then a year down the line decide he doesn't want to do so anymore, the club's then back in a similar position to the one we've just got ourselves out of. Very good point, however, i think this guy has already acknowledged that some cash is going to be needed, albeit spent wisely and correctly under the right management, this guys CV speaks volumes into his and his families abilities to suceed.
ChrisPY Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 If he wants to do so, and isn't necessarily expecting a return on that money for a potentially-significant length of time, then fine, but I would rather we took the sensible and stable option of not running the club like a loss-leader in the hope that spending enough will get us back to the Premier League. If Liebherr was to bankroll a load of spending, and then a year down the line decide he doesn't want to do so anymore, the club's then back in a similar position to the one we've just got ourselves out of. The thing is he can't just walk away, he has to try and sell the club. To do that he's going to have to keep financing it until he finds a buyer or he could lose everything. The person he sells to will have money therefore they will be able to afford to continue spending what ML starts.
stevegrant Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 Very good point, however, i think this guy has already acknowledged that some cash is going to be needed, albeit spent wisely and correctly under the right management, this guys CV speaks volumes into his and his families abilities to suceed. There are many people whose CVs stack up but have tried and failed to make significant money from football. It's not like any other industry. Even Sir Alan Sugar, about to be given a peerage for his services to business and industry in this country, made a complete pig's ear of a football club. The way I interpreted Liebherr's comments was that he wasn't going to be spending money the club hasn't got - as I mentioned earlier his clearing of the debts has freed up a significant sum of money which can now be apportioned elsewhere, so that along with any increase in matchday revenue will still see us as one of the bigger-spending teams in this division, but it won't be silly money. He seemed to emphasise the need for patience and not wanting to rush anything. To me, that's not the words of someone who's going to go on a spending spree any time soon.
shurlock Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 (edited) Leicester spent £1.2m, having sold three of their best players (hume, macauley and stearman for around 4m). They bought adams, tunchev and dyer, though they had gone on a spree in the previous January while battling to stay in the championship (oakley, howard from derby). They also relied alot on premiership loans (jack hobbs from liverpool etc). 5m would be enough. I just wonder had Liebherr got exclusivity and sealed the deal earlier whether we would have been forced to offload DMG or Surman? Edited 8 July, 2009 by shurlock
Victor Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 MKDons finished 3rd last season and would still have been in the play-offs with 10 points fewer. £5m should be enough. And the last game is home to Southend - made the play-offs last time we played them at home at the end of the season, and what an atmosphere! Looking forward to that already.
Thedelldays Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 i would be very happy if he wanted to be generous with the cash to bring in the right players
Matthew Le God Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 Leicester didn't spend much and if they had -10 points they would have come 3rd(1 point behind 2nd place and automatic promotion)
thegaffer Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 It doesn't really work like that now we are a private ltd company.... transfers are generally not counted in the day to day operations. The club will be set up to run on a profit day to day... if the gaffer wants to chuck the manager £5m to spend... then good luck to him! It is not going to send us into financial meltdown that it would if we were a PLC I've not got two pennies to rub together...Sorry
Rebel Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 So who can we get in on loan from the Premiership then? Jay Simpson from Arsenal, Mark Randal, Jack Wilshere? I'm not sure we need both John and Rasiak - or Euell at all for that matter - and I think Kelvin is a goner already!
Smirking_Saint Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 3-5 mil Don't need a vast amount, especially if we keep KD maybe less. It's not the money spent but the management team and players brought in that are important. Begin a large investment in yoof again, and no longer sell our brightest stars for meagre amounts. 1 big defensive lump, 1 decent striker, full back, perhaps a midfielder, we won't be spending mega money on anyone. Shame we lost Surman and DMG or we would be ok anyways.
SuperMikey Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 I'd say offering contracts to potentially key players such as John, Rasiak and Davis is the priority before we start looking at transfers. However, there are certainly transfers that need to be made, seeing as Surman and DMG have already gone and Lallana seems to be wanting away. In that respect, this is what our first team should be looking like if I were in charge: GK - Davis, Bialkowski, Forecast RB - Murty, James LB - New LB, Mills CB - Thomas, Perry, Saeijs, New CB RM - Thomson, New RM LM - Holmes, New LM CM - Gillett, Schneiderlin, Wotton, Lallana ST - Rasiak, John, Paterson, McLaggon, New ST Send out on loan: Lancashire, White, Gobern, Pulis. That squad contains 24 players, which is more than enough to rotate the squad every now and then to prevent tiredness amongst the players. We have a decent enough squad to not need to sweep out the entire playing squad, we need to add good quality players to the team to help build on what we have, and that is what it looks like Mr Liebherr will want to do.
Torres Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 The thing is he can't just walk away, He can. he has to try and sell the club. He doesn't. To do that he's going to have to keep financing it until he finds a buyer or he could lose everything. He's apparently worth 2.5 billion pounds. Walking away from his meagre investment in SFC isn't going to hurt him.
John B Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 I'd say offering contracts to potentially key players such as John, Rasiak and Davis is the priority before we start looking at transfers. However, there are certainly transfers that need to be made, seeing as Surman and DMG have already gone and Lallana seems to be wanting away. In that respect, this is what our first team should be looking like if I were in charge: GK - Davis, Bialkowski, Forecast RB - Murty, James LB - New LB, Mills CB - Thomas, Perry, Saeijs, New CB RM - Thomson, New RM LM - Holmes, New LM CM - Gillett, Schneiderlin, Wotton, Lallana ST - Rasiak, John, Paterson, McLaggon, New ST Send out on loan: Lancashire, White, Gobern, Pulis. That squad contains 24 players, which is more than enough to rotate the squad every now and then to prevent tiredness amongst the players. We have a decent enough squad to not need to sweep out the entire playing squad, we need to add good quality players to the team to help build on what we have, and that is what it looks like Mr Liebherr will want to do. I dont think it will look so good if Davis Thomas Rasiak John go and Saeijs does not return
ssaints Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 I think 1-2 million well spent should be enough. A decent proven player in league 1 should be between 500K- 1million. 5 million would be way to much and put to much pressure on the playing staff. We need to build a squad slowly not panic buy whoever will come for the money. I would honestly be happy with getting all players on free's there are enough about.
saints_is_the_south Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 On the shopping list should be a new CB, new LB, new RM & LM. Anybody know whether Alan Bennett has been signed by anybody yet? He'd be good back up to have in League 1 & give us a 4th CB assuming we sign Saeijs. Sign Murty & thats RB sorted, just need a LB to compete with Mills. Definatly need a new right winger, Thomson is not up to a first team role imo, Holmes will do well next season but we need another LW to compete with him. Finally 1 more striker assuming Saga goes & we can keep Rasiak & John. Rickie Lambert from Bristol Rovers should be our no1 target imo, would be a fantastic signing.
St_Tel49 Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 Snap Michael Bridges up, he'll be good for a start. How many goals has he scored in the past two years?
Saintandy666 Posted 8 July, 2009 Posted 8 July, 2009 How much do you think would need to be the total spend over the next 5 years to get us stable in the premiership? I'm gonna go with 50 million.
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