OldNick Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 It might be history to you, Nick but Pinnacle's actions brought SFC to the brink, meant that 2-3 players had to be sold to pay the wages and 5 weeks were wasted when the club could be rebuilding under genuine new owners. Plus of course there is that little matter of £500,00+. Who ever put that upfront may well have done it on false promises and I daresay they are feeling a little sore right now. While I agree about a clean break from the past there are some things that should not be swept under the carpet. Looking forward to the new Swiss dawn as much as anyone but will watch forthcoming appointments closely - already I have heard the name of someone, most on here, would find unpalatable - just let's hope it's not true. Im sure there wil be upsets and some bad news but ultimately our only way of having a future is coming to terms with the past. I hope the new people understand the history and that there is a proper museam set up that goes back more than 10 years that includes the wealth of heroes we have had here. As for the Pinnacle thing, im certain there is much to be unearthed and many are hoping it doesnt happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Papa wrote: Come on, name names please! I would imagine FF is referring to the rumour that Andy oldknow might be on his way back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 already I have heard the name of someone, most on here, would find unpalatable - just let's hope it's not true. Oldknow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Oldknow? If he had anything to do with facilitating this deal is he not entitled to a position in the same way Crouch, Lynam, Jackson etc... would have been ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Come on, name names please! I've passed what I had on to the Echo. I asked them to hold on to it until the club's future was secure. As far as i am concerned they can release it all now. Last time I tried (on here) I was threatened with the police. Not afraid to do it again but think it the duty of the local paper now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 I've passed what I had on to the Echo. I asked them to hold on to it until the club's future was secure. As far as i am concerned they can release it all now. Last time I tried (on here) I was threatened with the police. Not afraid to do it again but think it the duty of the local paper now. You agreed a fee on percentage of sales right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 8 July, 2009 Share Posted 8 July, 2009 I've passed what I had on to the Echo. I asked them to hold on to it until the club's future was secure. As far as i am concerned they can release it all now. Last time I tried (on here) I was threatened with the police. Not afraid to do it again but think it the duty of the local paper now. I believe Solent are interested in the Pinnacle situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 8 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 8 July, 2009 Clever utilisation of partial thread title + incorrect tense techniques :smt021 and deliberately so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Anything new from Fry on the Pinnacle Saga. Listened to his interview never mentioned them but did say at certain times in the process there were no active buyers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Anything new from Fry on the Pinnacle Saga. John, you will have to gain permission from Alpine to ask questions on this subject !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 John, you will have to gain permission from Alpine to ask questions on this subject !! Do grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 John, you will have to gain permission from Alpine to ask questions on this subject !! OK by the way at the moment does Alpine love or hate Fry cannot recall At one time he wanted him to run the club and on another wanted him to run off and multiply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Do grow up. Are you my Dad ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyb1 Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Are you my Dad ? It obvioulsy means you didn't gain permission.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Sometimes uin life we should count our blessings - appreciate what we have and the good fortune that got us there and rise above the need to constantly dig dirt and through more bodies from the cliffs.... Why do we need a fall guy now? With teh new ownesr comes a new dawn and WHAT good does it do and WHAT does it say about our lust for blame and victims that we feel we should pursue the pinnacle matter? I ahve no doubt that Tony Lynam was well intentioned and commited to a deal - Bring in MLT gave him a very public profile for representing teh bid and was probably a master stroke of PR designe dto engae with Fans AND demonstrate committment to entice potential backers. I have no idea what went wrong or why, but in ANY business acquisition things can go wrong and do go wrong for a variety of reasons - it happens, its normal, and although disspointing for all involved, is a perfectly normal part of the process. TL had to things going against him... the Whacko Jacko bid that has always meant we are as fans verys suspicious of the local businessman (who does not have the 100s of millions to hand), and all the previous tyre kickers.... His mistake was quite simple - The public discussion of the bid. If going public, it HAS to be everything, the full story, not hints and teasers as these lead to speculation and more important given that Le Tiss was involved meant our expectations soared the fall from grace was going to be so much greater. Duncan refers to the fact that this bid may have jeopodised another or delayed completion which endangered employees positions and has seen 2 players leave - the playesr well probably off anyway, but te staff situation is a serious one. I have no doubt that with the benefit of hindsight the Swiss may have concluded in quicker time, but this is the nature of the process, and from what I have heard it was not for teh lack of trying and effort on MLTs and TLs part that they wer unable to complete. Fantasists and Dreamers? No, I dont think so, backers maybe not tied down or caveats in teh agreements (such as teh removal of the -10 points ?) most likely, but this is something that happens all the time. For me I thank TL for his effort, and MLT for believing. Afterall as we have FINALLY seen , really SERIOUS interset is NOT put off by rival bids - they just go about things, make their preparations and have bottles lined up should they get the opportunity... the Swiss were in no hurry as its long term plan the key was gettig the deal right. So yes TL can be maybe criticised for the public teaser communications which did him no favours in the end, buty cant we just for now enjoy the fact we have new owners, the staff are safe there is a plan. Schardenfruede and muck raking would show none of us in any great light, especially given the good news we had yesterday.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 It's turn out just fine so let's just leave it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Sometimes uin life we should count our blessings - appreciate what we have and the good fortune that got us there and rise above the need to constantly dig dirt and through more bodies from the cliffs.... Why do we need a fall guy now? With teh new ownesr comes a new dawn and WHAT good does it do and WHAT does it say about our lust for blame and victims that we feel we should pursue the pinnacle matter? I ahve no doubt that Tony Lynam was well intentioned and commited to a deal - Bring in MLT gave him a very public profile for representing teh bid and was probably a master stroke of PR designe dto engae with Fans AND demonstrate committment to entice potential backers. I have no idea what went wrong or why, but in ANY business acquisition things can go wrong and do go wrong for a variety of reasons - it happens, its normal, and although disspointing for all involved, is a perfectly normal part of the process. TL had to things going against him... the Whacko Jacko bid that has always meant we are as fans verys suspicious of the local businessman (who does not have the 100s of millions to hand), and all the previous tyre kickers.... His mistake was quite simple - The public discussion of the bid. If going public, it HAS to be everything, the full story, not hints and teasers as these lead to speculation and more important given that Le Tiss was involved meant our expectations soared the fall from grace was going to be so much greater. Duncan refers to the fact that this bid may have jeopodised another or delayed completion which endangered employees positions and has seen 2 players leave - the playesr well probably off anyway, but te staff situation is a serious one. I have no doubt that with the benefit of hindsight the Swiss may have concluded in quicker time, but this is the nature of the process, and from what I have heard it was not for teh lack of trying and effort on MLTs and TLs part that they wer unable to complete. Fantasists and Dreamers? No, I dont think so, backers maybe not tied down or caveats in teh agreements (such as teh removal of the -10 points ?) most likely, but this is something that happens all the time. For me I thank TL for his effort, and MLT for believing. Afterall as we have FINALLY seen , really SERIOUS interset is NOT put off by rival bids - they just go about things, make their preparations and have bottles lined up should they get the opportunity... the Swiss were in no hurry as its long term plan the key was gettig the deal right. So yes TL can be maybe criticised for the public teaser communications which did him no favours in the end, buty cant we just for now enjoy the fact we have new owners, the staff are safe there is a plan. Schardenfruede and muck raking would show none of us in any great light, especially given the good news we had yesterday.... I dont agree with what you are saying I think we should know the reason why the Pinnacle bid failed thanking TL appears a liitle niave as he would have benefited financially from the deal if it had gone ahead. Why they upset the Football Leugue needs to be explained as well I do agree that the final outcome is fine and look forward to the future which we now have if Andrew Surman and David McGoldrick were not sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 It's turn out just fine so let's just leave it. I agree completely. Unfortunately, there seems to be a lot of score-settling going on in these parts at the moment. Some serious sour grapes about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I think that there has been a general misunderstanding on the role of an administrator in this situation. Once he has established the minimum level of settlement that the creditors are prepared to accept he then has the basis of a price to aim for & is charged with procuring the best deal for them, primarily, & then the club as it is a better financial proposition for all concerned (including those same creditors in the future in all likelihood) if the 'company' continues to trade. He is obliged by statutes to review all bids & ensure that they meet criteria that satisfies the fiscal requirements & has, in this case, the additional complication of ensuring that the prospective purchase also satisfies the FL profile for ownership. In addition to this he has to keep a 'company' that by definition is insolvent running with such funds are available. That's a lot of balls to keep in the air & is, I respectfully suggest, why this has taken as long as it has & the route that it has. For their own reasons various of the prospective purchasers have gone public on their interest & this is not an unusual business practice but ultimately if there are several bidders that appear to meet the criteria the administrator is obliged to take them all equally seriously until the situation proves otherwise. He is not obliged to take the highest bid if it is not in the best interests of the creditors (firstly) that the long term prospects are better sedrved by another. Various stories will undoubtedly emerge re various aspects of some of the bids....they have been rife all through, for sure, but most will remain locked in by confidentiality clauses signed at the time. It is time to move on - in light of the buyer we appear to have I'd suggest that Mark Fry has done a good job for all the people he has needed to satisfy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I dont agree with what you are saying I think we should know the reason why the Pinnacle bid failed thanking TL appears a liitle niave Not naive, just gracious in victory? There is no NO NEED apart from a few folk looking to sling some mud which will achieve exactly SWEET FA... why this need to trample on folk when they are undoubtedly already wounded is beyond me thats all... so in this respect I actually agree with ALPs! FFS must be all that good will going round... See what good news can do ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I agree completely. Unfortunately, there seems to be a lot of score-settling going on in these parts at the moment... alpine, to clear up any misunderstanding, last night in TL's post he stated he would be pleased to answer, within reason, any questions, there has been an inference he hoodwinked those involved/associated to his bid and a level of abuse was thrown his way, it would be naive to believe his reputation would not be tarnished by those 'accusations' and, although I do not know TL, believe it only right and proper that he is allowed to dismiss those 'allegations' in the place where they first surfaced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 alpine, to clear up any misunderstanding, last night in TL's post he stated he would be pleased to answer, within reason, any questions, there has been an inference he hoodwinked those involved/associated to his bid and a level of abuse was thrown his way, it would be naive to believe his reputation would not be tarnished by those 'accusations' and, although I do not know TL, believe it only right and proper that he is allowed to dismiss those 'allegations' in the place where they first surfaced That is fair enough, but some seem intent on actually adding to tarnihing his reputation out of spite... seems rather bitter and twisted to me, especially in light of the good news we had . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selexus Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 For my part I would like to know what went on. Why the pinnacle bid turned out to be such a dog, who threatened Duncan and why, and how pinnacle moved ahead of ( in hindsight) better bids? It's not a desire to mud sling, accuse or tarnish. More a desire to know the truth. A noble pursuit, no ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 I've passed what I had on to the Echo. I asked them to hold on to it until the club's future was secure. As far as i am concerned they can release it all now. Last time I tried (on here) I was threatened with the police. Not afraid to do it again but think it the duty of the local paper now. Duncan, I have lost the thread of this discussion but in any event if you were threatened with the police I am concerned that it actually came to that and actually question if it was even a police matter. Surely any action against you would have been a civil matter conducted through a court of law but of no concern to the police. IMO would the Police only get involved if a crime had been committed? Other than fraud (being a financial transaction) I don't see what crime could have been committed and in turn would a whistleblower be arrested anyway? IMO it all seems very murky and impossible to link the factual pieces together without a large dose of suggestion and conjecture from the vast majority of posters but I guess there are factual pieces from a few others like you in the know. I hope one day soon you can tell the story as it would certainly be easier to digest from one source than unravelling this nightmare as it seems to me that there may be some unfair winners and losers who have walked away from all this and people have a right to know. If you can't comment further then hopefully the media or Fry will in due course publish their autopsy on the whole process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 (edited) Not naive' date=' just gracious in victory? There is no NO NEED apart from a few folk looking to sling some mud which will achieve exactly SWEET FA... why this need to trample on folk when they are undoubtedly already wounded is beyond me thats all... so in this respect I actually agree with ALPs! FFS must be all that good will going round... See what good news can do ;-)[/quote'] Well I dont agree with you in anyway throwing mud around maybe something you or others want to know I just want to know what went on thats all. Gracious in Victory tosh somebody was always going to buy us and some of the people involved would make money Edited 9 July, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 For my part I would like to know what went on. Why the pinnacle bid turned out to be such a dog, who threatened Duncan and why, and how pinnacle moved ahead of ( in hindsight) better bids? It's not a desire to mud sling, accuse or tarnish. More a desire to know the truth. A noble pursuit, no ? Very much so as IMO mistakes seem to have been made and that's fair enough given the circumstances but it's a mockery if the reasons for those mistakes are not established and where necessary those involved learn from them and make appropriate amendments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Yes. Nick is interfering with the Space/Time continuum, which might have dire consequences. no,it is established at the end of Back to the Future 3 that the future has no interdependance on current events. However in Déja Vu and Paycheck it is proposed that by knowing the future ,events can be changed to alter it. If Hollywood says that who am I to argue,it's well known that John Wayne won every war for the US singlehanded from about 1650 onwards,even those that they lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Duncan, I have lost the thread of this discussion but in any event if you were threatened with the police I am concerned that it actually came to that and actually question if it was even a police matter. Surely any action against you would have been a civil matter conducted through a court of law but of no concern to the police. IMO would the Police only get involved if a crime had been committed? Other than fraud (being a financial transaction) I don't see what crime could have been committed and in turn would a whistleblower be arrested anyway? IMO it all seems very murky and impossible to link the factual pieces together without a large dose of suggestion and conjecture from the vast majority of posters but I guess there are factual pieces from a few others like you in the know. I hope one day soon you can tell the story as it would certainly be easier to digest from one source than unravelling this nightmare as it seems to me that there may be some unfair winners and losers who have walked away from all this and people have a right to know. If you can't comment further then hopefully the media or Fry will in due course publish their autopsy on the whole process. Perhaps we will know more when Pinnacle are infiltrated by Vigo Mortensen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 Very much so as IMO mistakes seem to have been made and that's fair enough given the circumstances but it's a mockery if the reasons for those mistakes are not established and where necessary those involved learn from them and make appropriate amendments. NC you are such a better poster when you are not inflammatory. You even have shown Duncan some time. Im pleased.I dont expect you never to curse again though lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 9 July, 2009 Share Posted 9 July, 2009 There always has to be something we don't like or want. WHY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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