Frygate- Tail wags the dog? A forum exposé

[Nineteen Canteen]

You wouldn't be the first....

 

LOL. Happens at the merest menton of the sacred feminine no doubt, jesus this chalice is hurting today. Oh no I blasthemed and now i have to self-flagellate and I will now miss my bus. Trousers, hold back on the one liners.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Post the links to all the other stockbrokers, analysts and fund managers that have recommended BT and I'll put a sock in it (literally)

 

That's your job Trousers, you know you want to...

[SaintRobbie]

I agree alpine. Sale has a track record of being strangely pro-Lowe, so while I think the article is spot on in pointing out the clear conflict of interest here, I can't help wondering just what the feck Lowe is doing behind the scene.

 

Saints recent history has just been a tangle of political machinations and if the Swiss bid manages to complete, perhaps the most welcome thing to look forward to is a break from all that boswollocks.

 

Sale and Lowe are well known to have communicated over the years and are friends. Sale has run a number of stories for Lowe - in support of Lowe (mmm credibility!) - over the years.

 

Now, attacking the preference of the MLT deal by Fry is interesting. MLT has been very anti-Lowe behind the scenes and as I recall openly critical in the early stages of the bidding wars.

 

To be fair to Fry, he sought a solution through Pinnacle that may have been well supported financially (it was not at all in the end) but also Fry was looking at this solution that was best for the club in so many other ways - morale, MLT, confidence and guaranteed fan support.

 

Whilst I am sure that Fry has the regaining of £s at heart for his employers, he was right to support a bid he thought had £ AND had the intangible X factor for success of the club.

 

Why Lowe is now getting involved, through Sale, is interesting. Sour grapes with MLT? Doesn't like Fry as he has disempowered him? Involved in a rival bid? (the latter unlikely methinks but not impossible given Lowe's track record of re-emerging despite being a failure, doesnt know when to give up despite flogging the horse he killed continually).

 

Either way - I would view this story with some suspicion given that it is written by Sale, who has strong links to Lowe.

 

But, on the other hand I would suggest that Fry does need to be put under ever-increasing pressure now to sell this club quickly to allow the new owners AND A NEW MANAGER to rebuild fast and challenge for the play-offs this season. I think Fry IS now working hard for that, I think we'll be Swiss very very soon.

[NickG]

maybe some of Sale's stories in his career have not been linked to Lowe?

[SaintRichmond]

All throughout the Administration Saga, the one thing I have been worried about is the fact that Begbies Traynor were apponted by Lowe ......

 

.... Cynical and sceptical as I am, I always had the thought at the back of my mind that because of that, Mark Fry could not be classed as 100% Unbiased as to what would ensue

 

..... His handling of the Pinnacle Affair left a lot to be desired, as even humble posters like I, could smell a rat very early on ...... Yet Fry WASTED THREE WEEKS ...... and HE is supposed to be working for a Professional Company specialising in Administration

 

I am always classed as "Lowe obsessed", yet in reality, most things I have said re his workings actually HAVE come to fruition, if you really go into it

 

I still maintain, that even now, NOBODY can say with 100% certainty, that Lowe's skullduggery is not at work

 

Only when we are bought by a 100% Outside organistaion, will I acknowledge that Lowe's shadow is no longer cast over St Mary's

[Puddings and Monkeys]

All throughout the Administration Saga, the one thing I have been worried about is the fact that Begbies Traynor were apponted by Lowe ......

 

.... Cynical and sceptical as I am, I always had the thought at the back of my mind that because of that, Mark Fry could not be classed as 100% Unbiased as to what would ensue

 

..... His handling of the Pinnacle Affair left a lot to be desired, as even humble posters like I, could smell a rat very early on ...... Yet Fry WASTED THREE WEEKS ...... and HE is supposed to be working for a Professional Company specialising in Administration

 

I am always classed as "Lowe obsessed", yet in reality, most things I have said re his workings actually HAVE come to fruition, if you really go into it

 

I still maintain, that even now, NOBODY can say with 100% certainty, that Lowe's skullduggery is not at work

 

Only when we are bought by a 100% Outside organistaion, will I acknowledge that Lowe's shadow is no longer cast over St Mary's

 

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[up and away]

I think I should be up for an award at the Sports Journo of the year awards!

 

(He says modestly)

 

Don't get much right but I heard this from my City source and it sounded just plain wrong. It was pretty easy for our google kings to track down the hard facts. Hmm maybe the Mail owes this site a donation - c'mon Sale send in your fiver!

 

I said I was very worried at the start of the process, too many things do not seem right, too many strange rumours popping out - remember the cr*p Weston Saint & I got for pointing out a rumour about Pinnacle's bid.

 

These two so far are the only ones I have dug out anything that could have been called corroborative evidence for. This was simple googling, but still needed to have confirmation that it was one and the same Richard Fry, obviously the Mail have done some homework on that photo. The Pinnacle one was non-attributable I'm afraid as it was a business associate but it turned out to be spot on.

 

Others on here have heard one or two other snippets, but absolutely nothing else seems to have any provable substance.

 

Fry going to BT would not have really been a big issue. Putting him on the web site and then removing it. Now that stinks

 

On any scale of significance, I can hardly see this getting to a full digit apart from Saints fans with a penchant for being abducted.

 

I said many times previously that I could not understand why Barclay's had not pulled the plug on Saints a lot earlier. The club may well have had the banks backing up to a certain point, but it was never permanent because of the perilous position we had put ourselves in. We knew from Hone and Delieu that we had to start reeling in money fast from players to have any chance. We then add to that burden then find we can't get rid of them or even give them away, coupled with the worst financial down turn in living memory and some are wondering why the sudden turn around.

 

As for proof of funds that is not really a major issue, many can do so. The real trick is trying to determine whether they are prepared to splash that cash. When you consider what Pinnacle were up against, it is not surprising to see them get elevated to B of E status. In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

 

Fry's one major **** up in all of this is putting out the notion that the 10 point penalty is appealable or having any valued merit. Maybe it does not get Pinnacle off the hook completely but sufficient there will be little come back. I don't know how the Swiss will work out, but when you look at everyone else lined up to **** us over deliberately or via an act of kindness, we really have no option.

[SaintRobbie]

maybe some of Sale's stories in his career have not been linked to Lowe?

 

True, but then MANY have. What's more, if I was Sale and about to run a story I'd perhaps ring the old chairman - a good friend - for at least a view.

 

I think its irrelevant anyway. Lowe is not associated with the Swiss deal which looking likely to be finalised VERY shortly, possibly today.

 

What does worry me though is that if Lowe still can (whether he has or hasnt) demonstrate influence over some in the media, with regard to Saints, could he still do so with his other friends? Mr Wotte I recall, numbers very highly in Lowe's personal friends list. Watch the interview he did with the BBC when he was thrown out by Barclays for confirmation... too close for comfort methinks.

 

Time for new owners, new management, new players and a new start! Roll on the optimism!

[stevegrant]

Either way - I would view this story with some suspicion given that it is written by Sale, who has strong links to Lowe.

Even though all of the information (and probably some more) has been on this forum since last week...

[NickG]

new fans?

[dubai_phil]

Even though all of the information (and probably some more) has been on this forum since last week...

 

 

I think I even joked at the time that the Mail would probably pick it up and run with it!

[SaintRobbie]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

Richmond's right though P&M, whether in this case Lowe's involved or not or whether it is relevant given the Swiss deal seems not to be connected to Lowe.

 

Lowe never seems to give up flogging a dead horse - especially one he's killed himself. Until we have new powerful owners, he'll be looking with interest at this club, even if he cant return... deep down he's arrogant enough to believe he SHOULD.

[stevegrant]

I think I even joked at the time that the Mail would probably pick it up and run with it!

As far as I'm aware, Sale is a Saints fan - he used to post on the Ugly Inside forum and various predecessors of this forum as well, so it's not inconceivable that he saw the thread from last week and did some digging of his own to verify it.

[stevegrant]

Lowe never seems to give up flogging a dead horse

Something you and him definitely have in common.

[Patrick Bateman]

As far as I'm aware, Sale is a Saints fan - he used to post on the Ugly Inside forum and various predecessors of this forum as well, so it's not inconceivable that he saw the thread from last week and did some digging of his own to verify it.

 

You mean Sale is Nineteen Canteen?

[red&white56]

I think I should be up for an award at the Sports Journo of the year awards!

 

(He says modestly)

 

Don't get much right but I heard this from my City source and it sounded just plain wrong. It was pretty easy for our google kings to track down the hard facts. Hmm maybe the Mail owes this site a donation - c'mon Sale send in your fiver!

 

I said I was very worried at the start of the process, too many things do not seem right, too many strange rumours popping out - remember the cr*p Weston Saint & I got for pointing out a rumour about Pinnacle's bid.

 

These two so far are the only ones I have dug out anything that could have been called corroborative evidence for. This was simple googling, but still needed to have confirmation that it was one and the same Richard Fry, obviously the Mail have done some homework on that photo. The Pinnacle one was non-attributable I'm afraid as it was a business associate but it turned out to be spot on.

 

Others on here have heard one or two other snippets, but absolutely nothing else seems to have any provable substance.

 

Fry going to BT would not have really been a big issue. Putting him on the web site and then removing it. Now that stinks

 

 

 

Dubai Phil - great detective work ! Is Richard Fry a skate ? That would at least explain his motive - unless it's purely for the financial gain of his new employers??

 

The trouble is who cares except Saints fan - the football world is too busy watching Ronaldo and Michael Owen do their stuff to worry about SFC

[SaintRobbie]

Even though all of the information (and probably some more) has been on this forum since last week...

 

Good point - like most media stories, including almost all in The Echo over the past month!

 

As I say though Steve, if you or I were Sale and about to run a Saints story, we might consider ringing our old friend and the previous boss for his comment... but then if he's been daft enough to support Lowe in the past maybe Sale is daft enough not to bother fully researching the story anyway.

 

Either way, its pretty poor journalism when extracted from here! That said, those who have monitored this site and its predecessor for years generally know when to stand up and take notice of the odd poster. It's a credit to you and the gang Steve!

[SaintRobbie]

Something you and him definitely have in common.

 

lol! True.

 

Slightly terrier-esque when I know I am right.

 

...although the difference between me and Lowe is that my points attempt to provide (continuous and dull) CPR to the poor beast rather than beating it further down!

Edited 7 July, 2009 by SaintRobbie

[saintjay77]

Richmond's right though P&M, whether in this case Lowe's involved or not or whether it is relevant given the Swiss deal seems not to be connected to Lowe.

 

Lowe never seems to give up flogging a dead horse - especially one he's killed himself. Until we have new powerful owners, he'll be looking with interest at this club, even if he cant return... deep down he's arrogant enough to believe he SHOULD.

 

What is it with the fixation that everything remotly bad is all down to Lowe?

 

They have all co cked things up royaly yet when there is a sniff of anything being the other parties fault it all turns into being something lowe cooked up with his chums.

 

small minded spings to mind

[SaintRobbie]

What is it with the fixation that everything remotly bad is all down to Lowe?

 

They have all co cked things up royaly yet when there is a sniff of anything being the other parties fault it all turns into being something lowe cooked up with his chums.

 

small minded spings to mind

 

Not small-minded. Mentally scarred by continually bad stories and actions by Lowe morelike. Richmond is right to be suspicious. Afterall, not many of us dreamed Lowe would return again last time to make it even worse and certainly not enough of us who could protested.

 

This time, I hope - and suspect - that his well-founded suspicions are not necessary.

[trousers]

You mean Sale is Nineteen Canteen?

 

Sssshhhhh!

[saintjay77]

Not small-minded. Mentally scarred by continually bad stories and actions by Lowe morelike. Richmond is right to be suspicious. Afterall, not many of us dreamed Lowe would return again last time to make it even worse and certainly not enough of us who could protested.

 

This time, I hope - and suspect - that his well-founded suspicions are not necessary.

 

I cant be bothered to get into this argument again.

 

Lowe is the anti christ and all that is bad in the world is a cunning plan that he has been dreaming up for 42 centurys. He will be back at the 1st chance he gets to really finish us off.

[SaintRobbie]

I cant be bothered to get into this argument again.

 

Lowe is the anti christ and all that is bad in the world is a cunning plan that he has been dreaming up for 42 centurys. He will be back at the 1st chance he gets to really finish us off.

 

LOL! I think Lowe has gone for good Jay... but we'll sadly always have half an eye on him.

 

Post Traumatic Lowe-Stress Disorder!

[SaintRobbie]

You mean Sale is Nineteen Canteen?

 

lol! He does seem to share the same collection of friends. 19 Canteen seems to type far more sense though.

[bungle]

For those people who like blithering on about Lowe at every opportunity, I was listening to Radio 5 yesterday evening and they were discussing Newcastle. The guests were of the opinion that Freddy Shepherd returning would be good for the club, because it's "better the devil you know".

 

I find the similarities to Saints amusing, as those small-minded fans who wanted "anyone but Lowe" succumbed to PR of Michael Wilde.

 

Discuss.

[trousers]

 

Discuss.

 

[Weston Super Saint]

So let's see who profits here...

 

M Fry - well he is doing his job and being paid for it. Some may think it immoral or whatever, but he is allowed to be paid for doing a job, and if the economy didn't think it was a fair payment, it would be reduced!

 

SFC - Potentially get a [circa] £40m debt paid off for [circa] £15m, happy days, no?

 

New Owners - Potentially getting £40m worth of club for about £15m, happy days, no?

 

Barclays / Aviva - Potentially only receiving £15m to pay off a £40m debt - not so good for them eh?

 

Mr R Fry - Has left one job and joined another. Man in leaving job to earn more money doing a different job non shocker?

[Thedelldays]

For those people who like blithering on about Lowe at every opportunity, I was listening to Radio 5 yesterday evening and they were discussing Newcastle. The guests were of the opinion that Freddy Shepherd returning would be good for the club, because it's "better the devil you know".

 

I find the similarities to Saints amusing, as those small-minded fans who wanted "anyone but Lowe" succumbed to PR of Michael Wilde.

 

Discuss.

 

 

the fans know best

 

In admin we trust

[SaintRobbie]

For those people who like blithering on about Lowe at every opportunity, I was listening to Radio 5 yesterday evening and they were discussing Newcastle. The guests were of the opinion that Freddy Shepherd returning would be good for the club, because it's "better the devil you know".

 

I find the similarities to Saints amusing, as those small-minded fans who wanted "anyone but Lowe" succumbed to PR of Michael Wilde.

 

Discuss.

 

We saw many 'better the devil you know posters' on here last June. It wasnt though was it, after Wilde re-appointed Lowe.

[saintjay77]

So let's see who profits here...

 

M Fry - well he is doing his job and being paid for it. Some may think it immoral or whatever, but he is allowed to be paid for doing a job, and if the economy didn't think it was a fair payment, it would be reduced!

 

SFC - Potentially get a [circa] £40m debt paid off for [circa] £15m, happy days, no?

 

New Owners - Potentially getting £40m worth of club for about £15m, happy days, no?

 

Barclays / Aviva - Potentially only receiving £15m to pay off a £40m debt - not so good for them eh?

 

Mr R Fry - Has left one job and joined another. Man in leaving job to earn more money doing a different job non shocker?

 

SFC is valued at around 15 mil but we only owe the bank around 4 mil dont we? Where does the 40 mil come from?

[saintjay77]

We saw many 'better the devil you know posters' on here last June. It wasnt though was it, after Wilde re-appointed Lowe.

 

still not biting

[SaintRobbie]

So let's see who profits here...

 

M Fry - well he is doing his job and being paid for it. Some may think it immoral or whatever, but he is allowed to be paid for doing a job, and if the economy didn't think it was a fair payment, it would be reduced!

 

SFC - Potentially get a [circa] £40m debt paid off for [circa] £15m, happy days, no?

 

New Owners - Potentially getting £40m worth of club for about £15m, happy days, no?

 

Barclays / Aviva - Potentially only receiving £15m to pay off a £40m debt - not so good for them eh?

 

Mr R Fry - Has left one job and joined another. Man in leaving job to earn more money doing a different job non shocker?

 

Good post Weston. We're all winners less Barclays who ironically did the best act in Saints recent history as it may turn out in removing Mr Lowe forever. They deserve better! (except they are bankers)

[Red and White Army]

Good post Weston. We're all winners less Barclays who ironically did the best act in Saints recent history as it may turn out in removing Mr Lowe forever. They deserve better! (except they are bankers)

 

I think you'll find bank overdrafts are senior to other creditors in any bankruptcy proceedings... so it is more likely to be Aviva taking the hit than Barclays.

[alpine_saint]

Good post Weston. We're all winners less Barclays who ironically did the best act in Saints recent history as it may turn out in removing Mr Lowe forever. They deserve better! (except they are bankers)

 

For the first time in over a decade, this club is about to become completely Lowe-less.

 

Its a fantastic feeling. And I also think Barclays did us a favour.

 

A couple of years in the lower echelons wont do us any harm.

 

For the first time since Mr. "DeadlBall Specialist" Idiotkez skyed his peno, I think the club futuer is worth looking forward to.

 

Assuming the takeover goes through, of course...

[Thedelldays]

For the first time in over a decade, this club is about to become completely Lowe-less.

 

Its a fantastic feeling. And I also think Barclays did us a favour.

 

A couple of years in the lower echelons wont do us any harm.

 

For the first time since Mr. "DeadlBall Specialist" Idiotkez skyed his peno, I think the club futuer is worth looking forward to.

 

Assuming the takeover goes through, of course...

[bungle]

We saw many 'better the devil you know posters' on here last June. It wasnt though was it, after Wilde re-appointed Lowe.

 

Depends, if about 500 more people per game had turned up instead of whinging and "protesting" then we wouldn't be in admin. FACT.

[Thedelldays]

Depends, if about 500 more people per game had turned up instead of whinging and "protesting" then we wouldn't be in admin. FACT.

they did whinge and then denied it when wotte asked them not too:rolleyes:

[shurlock]

Depends, if about 500 more people per game had turned up instead of whinging and "protesting" then we wouldn't be in admin. FACT.

 

+1.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

The guests were of the opinion that Freddy Shepherd returning would be good for the club, because it's "better the devil you know".

 

I find the similarities to Saints amusing, as those small-minded fans who wanted "anyone but Lowe" succumbed to PR of Michael Wilde.

 

Discuss.

 

Shepherd has got a load of dough and would, I assume, put some of it into the club(again) to change their fortunes, Lowe does not have the wealth that Shepherd has so was reliant upon other sources to change our fortunes, if Sir Freddy phoned Barclays and said "We are up against it this week can you honour the 6k worth of cheques in the system" firstly I doubt the question needed to be asked secondly I doubt they would have been returned

[SaintRobbie]

Depends, if about 500 more people per game had turned up instead of whinging and "protesting" then we wouldn't be in admin. FACT.

 

We'd still have Lowe and been relegated and have had EVEN less supporters thereafter. The only difference between now and that analogy is minus 10 points to be fair.

 

This idea that its the fans fault is irrelevant. Supporters support for different reasons. I suspect 500 actually thought Wotte and JP were not worth supporting given the entertainment and lack of fight they provided let alone what they thought of Lowe.

 

Nah. If your teams led by people who cause disunity, make crass financial decisions and buy mediocre kids and Dutch fantasists, the reality is 500+ fans will sadly not want to watch the pain. And guess what... they have a choice. They're still red and white in my eyes though. Its called reality.

Edited 7 July, 2009 by SaintRobbie

[SaintRichmond]

Originally Posted by bungle

The guests were of the opinion that Freddy Shepherd returning would be good for the club, because it's "better the devil you know".

 

I find the similarities to Saints amusing, as those small-minded fans who wanted "anyone but Lowe" succumbed to PR of Michael Wilde.

 

Discuss

 

Shepherd has got a load of dough and would, I assume, put some of it into the club(again) to change their fortunes, Lowe does not have the wealth that Shepherd has so was reliant upon other sources to change our fortunes, if Sir Freddy phoned Barclays and said "We are up against it this week can you honour the 6k worth of cheques in the system" firstly I doubt the question needed to be asked secondly I doubt they would have been returned

 

 

You cannot compare Shepherd to Lowe

 

Shepherd was and is a 100% Football man, with lots of money, which he was and is prepared to Invest

 

Lowe was and is a so called "Businessman", with no money that has ever seen the light of day

[shurlock]

We'd still have Lowe and been relegated and have had EVEN less supporters thereafter. The only difference between now and that analogy is minus 10 points to be fair.

 

This idea that its the fans fault is irrelevant. Supporters support for different reasons. I suspect 500 actually thought Wotte and JP were not worth supporting given the entertainment and lack of fight they provided let alone what they thought of Lowe.

 

Nah. If your teams led by people who cause disunity, make crass financial decisions and buy mediocre kids and Dutch fantasists, the reality is 500+ fans will sadly no want to watch the pain. And guess what... they have a choice. They're still red and white in my eyes though. Its called reality.

 

Wouldn't say its the fans fault - too many proverbial chicken and eggs. Did our dismal performances cause fans to stay away or did the fans hit the confidence of players? Certainly, the difference between our home and away form makes it an open question.

 

But two things- many fans weren't even prepared to give the experiment the benefit of the doubt and that's well before the lack of entertainment and fight. Second, the fact is that when the fans got their way and the board left and in Fry's words, it was time to come out and signal to potential investors that we had a dedicated fanbase, people hardly stepped up to the plate.

 

I'm not bemoaning the stay-aways - their choice is to be respected; but at the same time, they hardly deserve any commendation or praise. There were never any certainties about going into admin. And as an investment proposition, more rather than fewer fans turning up is always preferable. Who knows, perhaps, the Liebherr clan travelled away to Preston, Watford, Reading etc and liked what they saw, especially given the adversity. Its no more far-fetched a speculation than the morons who believe that success has directly come out of their stance....

[SaintRobbie]

 

But two things- many fans weren't even prepared to give the experiment the benefit of the doubt and that's well before the lack of entertainment and fight. Second, the fact is that when the fans got their way and the board left and in Fry's words, it was time to come out and signal to potential investors that we had a dedicated fanbase, people hardly stepped up to the plate.

 

 

Many fans worked out it was nonsense from the start.

 

I think gates actually DID increase when Lowe left.

[saintjay77]

Wouldn't say its the fans fault - too many proverbial chicken and eggs. Did our dismal performances cause fans to stay away or did the fans hit the confidence of players? Certainly, the difference between our home and away form makes it an open question.

 

But two things- many fans weren't even prepared to give the experiment the benefit of the doubt and that's well before the lack of entertainment and fight. Second, the fact is that when the fans got their way and the board left and in Fry's words, it was time to come out and signal to potential investors that we had a dedicated fanbase, people hardly stepped up to the plate.

 

I'm not bemoaning the stay-aways - their choice is to be respected; but at the same time, they hardly deserve any commendation or praise. There were never any certainties about going into admin. And as an investment proposition, more rather than fewer fans turning up is always preferable. Who knows, perhaps, the Liebherr clan travelled away to Preston, Watford, Reading etc and liked what they saw, especially given the adversity. Its no more far-fetched a speculation than the morons who believe that success has directly come out of their stance....

 

+ 1 with bells on

[up and away]

Originally Posted by bungle

Depends, if about 500 more people per game had turned up instead of whinging and "protesting" then we wouldn't be in admin. FACT.

We'd still have Lowe and been relegated and have had EVEN less supporters thereafter. The only difference between now and that analogy is minus 10 points to be fair.

 

This idea that its the fans fault is irrelevant. Supporters support for different reasons. I suspect 500 actually thought Wotte and JP were not worth supporting given the entertainment and lack of fight they provided let alone what they thought of Lowe.

 

Nah. If your teams led by people who cause disunity, make crass financial decisions and buy mediocre kids and Dutch fantasists, the reality is 500+ fans will sadly not want to watch the pain. And guess what... they have a choice. They're still red and white in my eyes though. Its called reality.

 

On that basis we can take that attitude into this season, because it looks we have even less to look forward to than in previous seasons. Unless your decision making process revolves around Lowe.

 

We were going into administration unless the fans supported the club, that financial calamity had already been created before the season started, it was just a question of when. We could have even failed to have completed our games for that season, that really would have made things interesting. The only slim chance we had was the fans getting behind the club, many chose not to and the rot is now firmly set in. So you can hardly blame fans who can no longer be bothered in the future!

 

WE had games with very high attendance when the prices were cheap, fans were only coming when they felt it was value for money. That basis will not take you to the next leve, only at best root you where you are. If you decided relegation based upon support, Saints and Birmingham would have been nailed on from the start, really poor in comparison to other teams.

[trousers]

many fans weren't even prepared to give the experiment the benefit of the doubt and that's well before the lack of entertainment and fight.

 

I respectfully disagree - take a look at the threads/posts on here between August and September last year....the majority of people were excited by our pre-season form and early performances. It wasn't until the Autumn that realisation struck...IMHO

[Weston Super Saint]

SFC is valued at around 15 mil but we only owe the bank around 4 mil dont we? Where does the 40 mil come from?

 

Total value of debt?

 

Loans, Overdraft, mortgage etc etc...

[saintjay77]

Total value of debt?

 

Loans, Overdraft, mortgage etc etc...

 

Are the buyers also buying the stadium part of the company in that 15mil though? I thought the 15mil value was just set along side SFC with the Stadium as a seperate entity. It would make sence for the buyers to get them both but I figured that would cost more?

[Mole]

The fact it's a Charlie Sale article says it all.

 

Rupert Lowe is imo behind this story.

 

I wonder if w h ireland still recomend begbies....

[Weston Super Saint]

Are the buyers also buying the stadium part of the company in that 15mil though? I thought the 15mil value was just set along side SFC with the Stadium as a seperate entity. It would make sence for the buyers to get them both but I figured that would cost more?

 

The way I read it, they will be buying everything. Lock, Stock, the Fcking lot!

 

Our creditors take the hit and the loss.