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Ashes First Test - Cardiff, 8-12 July


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Pietersen chucks his wicket away AGAIN. He will never be a top quality batsmen until he learns to stop giving his wicket away.

 

he IS a top quality batsman DEPSITE throwing his wicket away once in a while. i can think of maybe 3 times in 100 odd innings when he's done so. i aint gonna deny it was a carp shot, but his silly shots are what makes him the dangerous player he is.

 

ps hauritz is aweful !!!

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With Pieterson you have to accept that his brilliance can also be his weakness. He actually played an excellent, well controlled innings but at some point he is always going to try to totally dominate the bowling. Despite the fact it's fair to say he played a pretty dumb shot that's the flip side of the arrogance which makes him so good. He was still our top scorer and I'd have him in my side any day.

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With Pieterson you have to accept that his brilliance can also be his weakness. He actually played an excellent, well controlled innings but at some point he is always going to try to totally dominate the bowling. Despite the fact it's fair to say he played a pretty dumb shot that's the flip side of the arrogance which makes him so good. He was still our top scorer and I'd have him in my side any day.

 

if it hadnt hit his helmet it would have gone for 4. just unlucky imo

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You wouldn't see Geoffrey (no fours before lunch) Boycott trying that shot. In fact you wouldn't see him trying to hit a four full stop.

 

Haha, whenever I think of Boycott I think of the Test match in which he was playing when he was so slow some wag in the crowd shouted "Come in number 1, your time is up ! "

Then the infamous World Cup final v West Indies at Lords in the 70's when Boycott and Brearley put on about 150 for the 1st wicket but they were so slow England had to score at about 15 an over to win, unsurprisingly they failed !!

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Give me Graeme Smith over Kevin "arrogant pr1ck" Pietersen any day of the week. Smith is a batsmen with all the shots who doesn't feel the need to give his wicket to the opposition.

 

Oddly enough their test averages are almost identical, Smith 50.33, Pietersen 50.49. I'm by no means KP's biggest fan especially as he seems not to care a hoot for his County but anyone averaging over 50 in over 50 tests is clearly a top class player. He did play a stupid shot without question but that's just the way it is with him. Lets not forget that without his briiliant century in the final Ashes test in 2005 England probably would have lost. So I'd put him down as a flawed genius, a bit like Ronnie O'Sullivan in snooker.

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Give me Graeme Smith over Kevin "arrogant pr1ck" Pietersen any day of the week. Smith is a batsmen with all the shots who doesn't feel the need to give his wicket to the opposition.

 

smith is boring, dull, wont take many chances - if any - sure he'll grind you out 50 runs in 150 balls, but if i'm paying to watch and i do pay to watch, gimme an entertainer everyday of the week. the sky boys (or was it radio 4) summed it up when collingwood was partnering pietersen. he grinds out decent scores nowadays, but would you find a bar at a cricket club anywhere in the world that would empty when collingwood or smith came into bat? i think maybe not. pietersen however, he'll empty a bar all day long.

 

he's getting to be like marmite (KP not bungle), you either love him or hate him. like one of our old players, matt le tissier. i just think you gotta have him in your team, i'd want him with me not against me. the aussies are sht scared of him, replace him with Shah (for example) and you say goodbye to the ashes. no, i know you're not saying to drop him, at least i dont think you are.

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Buoycott making me lol on the commentary on bbc sport, tearing into KP etc

 

Yep it's a bit rich for a player with a lesser test average, just under 48, and who played at a pace a snail would have found slow to criticise someone better than him. I really don't understand why anyone would want Boycott as a commentator. He's like a broken down gramophone record!

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Boycott in the box is like KP on the pitch. Bristles with arrogance and disdain, will have a lash at anything, and when he's wrong he's spectacularly wrong. Hearing him wind himself up into an explosive lather is one of the joys of the english summer. The perfect counterpoint to the mellow chumminess of Aggers and Marks.

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all this slagging off KP makes me laugh! we finally get a player that can take it to the bowlers and score freely / consistantly and we moan!!!! without him we would not have won the ashes in 2005 and would have lost countless other games too. He is world class and im glad he chose to play for us instead of SA, if they had him they would be no1 in the world by some distance and we would be always wondering what if.

 

Watch how many of the people that slag him off will be man juicing all over him if he scores a big hundred next time out.

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Greame Smith test match strike rate 61.2

Kevin Pietersen test match strike rate 63.3

 

Big difference there, then.

 

you can prove anything with statistics!!:D

 

and anyway, KP will get to 100 whilst Smith is stranded on 98...

 

i take your point re S/R but would still have KP any day and twice on sundays.

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all this slagging off KP makes me laugh! we finally get a player that can take it to the bowlers and score freely / consistantly and we moan!!!! without him we would not have won the ashes in 2005 and would have lost countless other games too. He is world class and im glad he chose to play for us instead of SA, if they had him they would be no1 in the world by some distance and we would be always wondering what if.

 

Watch how many of the people that slag him off will be man juicing all over him if he scores a big hundred next time out.

 

Have to agree on this, don't see anyone moaning about the failures from the first innings just slating the highest scorer from our fist innings :confused:

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Well looks like I'll have to take my Pointing comment back..but then again 3 days and four tests still to come.

 

Still 180 odd runs behind - I think day 3 is pivotal.

 

Gees I hope it doesnt rain.

 

My thoughts on KP were that it was an awful shot and a bit of a brain fart - He is however easily the batsmen the Aussies want out cheaply in every test because he has the natarul talent to take a game away from any country !

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agree with why we went in to this game with 2 spinners but why one of them is monty is still beyond me. He has been awful all summer and is just too predictable, doesnt mix his pace or variation up enough. Maybe they thought Rashid was a gamble too far. Still, would have been interesting to see if harmison or sidebottom would have faired any better on that track. I hope they have all had a kick up the arse over night and change their plans today.

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some pretty ordinary bowling against two men digging in. i have to say i switched off at tea and didnt bother watching it again for the rest of the day.

 

im thinking today will be different, we'll get amongst them, knock them over with the scores pretty much level, maybe 10/20 runs either side of our score. a draw looking the favorite with the poor weather approaching

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some pretty ordinary bowling against two men digging in. i have to say i switched off at tea and didnt bother watching it again for the rest of the day.

 

im thinking today will be different, we'll get amongst them, knock them over with the scores pretty much level, maybe 10/20 runs either side of our score. a draw looking the favorite with the poor weather approaching

I think a draw's pretty much nailed on now with the likely rubbish weather tomorrow.

 

I wouldn't be totally convinced that the Aussies will get a lead though, if you remember back to the Oval test in 2005, they were 264/1 and ended up 367 all out, and that was a typical batsman-friendly Oval pitch.

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